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Brad Gilbert possibly going to coach Andy (not roddick)

R.Federer
06-09-2006, 07:41 PM
American Brad Gilbert could become Andy Murray's new coach after holding talks with the British number two and the Lawn Tennis Association (LTA).
Gilbert, who used to coach Andre Agassi and Andy Roddick, met Murray's agent Patricio Apey and LTA boss Roger Draper in a Paris hotel on Wednesday morning.

Murray, 19, needs a new coach after parting with Mark Petchey in April.

The LTA also needs someone to head its performance programme after sacking David Felgate last month.

The three-way meeting has fuelled speculation that a possible joint arrangement, for the benefit of both the LTA and Murray, has been discussed.

Murray ideally needs a full-time advisor, but the chance of getting help from Gilbert, one of the most successful and respected coaches on the tour, would be appealing.

After his successful partnership with Agassi, Gilbert linked up with Roddick in June 2003 and coached him to the US Open title and the world number one ranking.

Likewise, the LTA is looking to build a team of coaches to take British tennis forward.


The one stumbling block could be money.

Gilbert was one of the highest paid coaches in the world and now has a lucrative contract with the TV network ESPN.

Draper has said he is willing to pay what it takes to get the best coaches in the world, but Murray may not be able to afford the salary required to tempt Gilbert back on the tour full-time.

After Wimbledon, the LTA will review the funding of all its leading players, including Murray, and Draper might decide to invest heavily in Britain's one world-class prospect for the long-term benefit of British tennis.

A joint arrangement would spread the cost, although there is no suggestion that an offer has been made at this stage.

The LTA says Gilbert is one of many figures in world tennis to have met Draper as the new chief executive searches for the right structure to take the sport forward.

R.Federer
06-09-2006, 10:11 PM
p.s.
It says that one stumbling block could be money.
Does anyone have some idea about what cut off the player's cheques (or is it a lumpsum) the coach receives? Any rough estimate?

Deboogle!.
06-09-2006, 10:12 PM
Brad gets in the 6 figures I'm pretty sure. At least $100,000/yr, more I'd imagine. Maybe even a cut of a player's winnings too.

R.Federer
06-09-2006, 10:14 PM
Brad gets in the 6 figures I'm pretty sure. At least $100,000/yr, more I'd imagine. Maybe even a cut of a player's winnings too.
Regardless of the player's earnings? (I know that the players he coached brought a lot of $ home but is this how it typically works? A fixed sum?)

gusman890
06-09-2006, 10:32 PM
wow..


brads been living the good life ever since he retired huh ? ;)

musefanatic
06-09-2006, 11:51 PM
I hope he does cos it's be great for Andy, give him a real boost with his fitness and mental strategy.

*Viva Chile*
06-10-2006, 12:57 AM
Murray really needs more to job in his fitness and then he could become a better player :help: I hope Brad will help him in both aspects.

Scotso
06-10-2006, 01:01 AM
:yeah:

Merton
06-10-2006, 02:43 AM
It seems not characteristic of Brad to take a young, developing player like Murray. Both the players he coached before were already established.

Deboogle!.
06-10-2006, 02:46 AM
Regardless of the player's earnings? (I know that the players he coached brought a lot of $ home but is this how it typically works? A fixed sum?)I haven't seen his contracts obviously, but my guess is it's a combination of both. A base fee, with an option to get a % of the winnings.

Brad is not a fitness guy. Andre had Gil, and Andy's fitness was pretty embarrassing under Brad - he got professional about it as soon as he got Dean and said Dean was able to motivate him to train more professionally, suggesting Brad was not. For Fitness, IMO, Murray needs to hire a trainer.

Corey Feldman
06-10-2006, 02:51 AM
Muzza needs :help: from anywhere the way things are going now

R.Federer
06-13-2006, 05:37 PM
Update:
."...Brad Gilbert writing for The Times Online: "I know my name has been linked with coaching [Andy Murray], but I feel very loyal to ESPN, the American cable television company, and although they know I will be back coaching some time in the future, I am very happy doing what I am doing."

Guess they didn't agree on the $$$$$ figure....

tangerine_dream
06-13-2006, 05:45 PM
The Murray-Gilbert relationship wouldn't last. Gilbert is too much of a fast-talker and uses too many American sports references when trying to make a point. Dealing with such a bombastic alien for two weeks would put the fragile Murray in the mental hospital.

Trivial
06-13-2006, 05:58 PM
The money would definetly prove a decisive factor when a player like Murray attempts to link up with such a high profile figure such as Brad Gilbert. As Deb said he would require a base 6 figure sum and then on top of that travel/accomodation expenses and 10% of earnings is pretty standard. This could result in around the $250,000 > $300,000 mark per year...kind of hefty, but if you want the best....

atheneglaukopis
06-13-2006, 06:10 PM
Brad is not a fitness guy. Andre had Gil, and Andy's fitness was pretty embarrassing under Brad - he got professional about it as soon as he got Dean and said Dean was able to motivate him to train more professionally, suggesting Brad was not.And now he misses his Cheetos. :sad:

Deboogle!.
06-13-2006, 06:25 PM
And now he misses his Cheetos. :sad:Yes, but at least he's fit:)

I eat plenty in his honor :rolls:

point is, Murray needs someone who will motivate him to change his eating and fitness habits. and Brad's track record in that particularly area is not only suspect but basically proven to be bad. I don't think Brad's the right guy for Murray unless he were to also hire a full-time trainer-type figure.

lordmanji
06-13-2006, 06:34 PM
debra, its very simple: andy roddick won the us open title because of brad gilbert, fitness or not fitness. his fitness being an issue is bogus. leading up to the 2003 us open arod won a load of hardcourt titles along the way, something he has not been able to repeat.

if getting bg AND a fitness trainer is required to make the leap that arod had, its well worth it. its every players dream to win the big one and hardly anything matters/is well worth the sacrifice. but im thinking andy's endurance will be just fine as seen in arods 2003 summer run w/ bg.

atheneglaukopis
06-13-2006, 06:37 PM
I eat plenty in his honor :rolls:I noticed!

Deboogle!.
06-13-2006, 06:41 PM
debra, its very simple: andy roddick won the us open title because of brad gilbert, fitness or not fitness. his fitness being an issue is bogus. leading up to the 2003 us open arod won a load of hardcourt titles along the way, something he has not been able to repeat.

if getting bg AND a fitness trainer is required to make the leap that arod had, its well worth it. its every players dream to win the big one and hardly anything matters/is well worth the sacrifice. but im thinking andy's endurance will be just fine as seen in arods 2003 summer run w/ bg.what does any of this have to do with the fact that Brad is not the type of coach who will really motivate a player to get fitter? I thought we were talking about andy Murray. He has had fitness problems, doesn't eat right, is not strong enough, etc. He needs someone on his team who will push him in that way and it has been PROVEN that Brad is not that guy. This is all I'm saying. Your post about andy (Roddick) is irrelevant to Brad coaching Murray. it is my opinion that if Murray hires Brad that he also needs someone on his team to consistently help fitness-wise.

At the time, Andy R. needed mental help. Brad gave that to him, at the time. It worked. At the time. It stopped working in 2004. He hired someone else and instantly became professional about his fitness. His mental problems started with Brad and didn't get any better under Goldfine, this is not in dispute, and is irrelevant to whether Brad is the right coach for Murray. But it's also not in dispute that Brad was unable to get andy to push himself physically and fitness-wise, and that as soon as he got a coach who was, he got fitter almost immediately. Brad is not a fitness-centered coach. He's a great scout, good for some kinds of mental stuff, etc. but to me, Andy Murray's biggest problem right now is his fitness. so that is why I don't think Brad would be the right coach for him, that's all.

Deboogle!.
06-13-2006, 06:41 PM
I noticed!wtf, I have no open containers of cheetos right now, you couldn't have noticed :ras:

Golfnduck
06-13-2006, 07:51 PM
The Murray-Gilbert relationship wouldn't last. Gilbert is too much of a fast-talker and uses too many American sports references when trying to make a point. Dealing with such a bombastic alien for two weeks would put the fragile Murray in the mental hospital.
I'm with you on this one Tangy.

16681
06-13-2006, 11:49 PM
Say what you want about Gilbert, but when he was Andy Roddick's coach I think Andy was playing better tennis than he is now :sad: Now out on the court Andy just seems confused :confused:

Corey Feldman
06-14-2006, 12:58 AM
After watching Muzza's first set today v Tipsarevic, he needs a coach.... and fast :help:

Corey Feldman
06-14-2006, 01:03 AM
Maybe Larri Passos according to one commentator http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/happy0029.gif

Deboogle!.
06-14-2006, 02:48 AM
Say what you want about Gilbert, but when he was Andy Roddick's coach I think Andy was playing better tennis than he is now :sad: Now out on the court Andy just seems confused :confused:This is completely irrelevant to answering the question as to whether Gilbert is the RIGHT coach for Murray right now at this particular point in his career. Gilbert is a fantastic proof - that is in the facts of what he helped his former players accomplish, but that doesn't mean he is the best person for Murray right now.

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 03:04 AM
Muzza needs :help: from anywhere the way things are going now

He needs more than :help: right now :rolleyes: I could possibly understand it if this were clay...but it isn't

I mean...how is he losing to Tipsy??!!! :help: :fiery: :mad: :help: :help: :smash:

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 03:06 AM
The Murray-Gilbert relationship wouldn't last. Gilbert is too much of a fast-talker and uses too many American sports references when trying to make a point. Dealing with such a bombastic alien for two weeks would put the fragile Murray in the mental hospital.

:haha: :haha:

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 03:08 AM
The money would definetly prove a decisive factor when a player like Murray attempts to link up with such a high profile figure such as Brad Gilbert. As Deb said he would require a base 6 figure sum and then on top of that travel/accomodation expenses and 10% of earnings is pretty standard. This could result in around the $250,000 > $300,000 mark per year...kind of hefty, but if you want the best....

In the media hype after his run to the Bangkok final last year, I heard that if he signed a couple of large contracts (can't remember who with) he'd be a millionaire this year...so money might not be such a problem :shrug:

But this is British press talk so it is likely to be bullshit :rolleyes:

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 03:13 AM
After watching Muzza's first set today v Tipsarevic, he needs a coach.... and fast :help:

I had the pleasure of not seeing it and will thankfully be unable to see it on its resumption tomorrow morning :haha: :haha:

Murray can play a great game and is talented...but I find him tough to watch even when he is playing well.

The only nice thing about a Murray match is that the result is fairly predictable e.g. he will lose an intense match most of the time :rolleyes: With a Brit like Henman it really is a lottery :help: :scared:

Horatio Caine
06-14-2006, 03:16 AM
This is completely irrelevant to answering the question as to whether Gilbert is the RIGHT coach for Murray right now at this particular point in his career. Gilbert is a fantastic proof - that is in the facts of what he helped his former players accomplish, but that doesn't mean he is the best person for Murray right now.

Not sure who is to be honest. He seems pretty arrogant and likes to do his own thing. Whilst that is common in people his age, he will need to grow out of that very quickly if he is to achieve big things early in his career...if indeed at all.

But one thing is clear...if you're not prepared to listen, there is no point looking for / employing a coach. :rolleyes:

As to the fitness issue...why can't Dominator drag him out of his hotel room every morning and take him on a jog? :help:

mdhallu
06-14-2006, 03:31 AM
Does anyone know the reason why Roddick and Brad Gilbert separated....or for that matter why Brad Gilbert and Agassi separated (ovbiously Brad helped Agassi a lot until that point)...did they disagree about things?

Deboogle!.
06-14-2006, 04:14 AM
Does anyone know the reason why Roddick and Brad Gilbert separated....or for that matter why Brad Gilbert and Agassi separated (ovbiously Brad helped Agassi a lot until that point)...did they disagree about things?No one really knows for sure what happened with him and Andy. Part money, part personality conflict, part Andy's Dad not liking him, part Brad not really making andy buckle down to do anything, part a whole bunch of other stuff. Whatever it was, it wasn't particularly friendly.

As for Agassi, what both Gilbert and Andre said was that they just sort of felt the relationship had run its course and they're still friendly I believe

heya
06-15-2006, 12:22 AM
When Roddick was injured due to poor eating habits and weakened ligament and muscles, Brad Gilbert joked and smiled happily. He said Nadia Petrova was injured but at least it wasn't the same foot injury as Roddick's.
Of course, if Agassi or Federer was hurt, Gilbert would be posting about his concern and anger in his little web site diary.

R.Federer
07-07-2006, 03:08 AM
Updates.....


Andy Murray has confirmed that Brad Gilbert is the coach he wants to take him to the next level in his career.
The 19-year-old Scot, who reached the fourth round at Wimbledon, has not had a travelling coach since splitting with Mark Petchey in April.

"It is not a done deal, but I've spoken to Brad," Murray told tennis great John McEnroe on BBC Radio Five Live.

"He's got a very good record as a coach and he is somebody that I'd like to work with."

The American, a former top five player who won 20 singles titles, helped both Andre Agassi and Andy Roddick to top the world rankings.

He has held discussions with the Lawn Tennis Association, which has said it would help fund him to coach the rising British star.

But Gilbert, currently working for US broadcaster ESPN, has expressed reservations about being away from his family for long periods.

Murray also remains unsure about how any deal with the 45-year-old would worked.

He added: "Am I going to go and train in the States? Am I going to stay here? Is Brad going to work for the LTA? It's not completely done yet."


Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/tennis/5156560.stm