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Poll: FO Final. Who wins? Federer or Nadal

dylan24
06-09-2006, 05:36 PM
who wins FO Final?
how many sets

dylan24
06-09-2006, 05:37 PM
federer in 5 i say

prima donna
06-09-2006, 05:37 PM
Federer in 4.

fooclate
06-09-2006, 05:38 PM
Federer it is. Five setter.

*Viva Chile*
06-09-2006, 05:38 PM
Whoever of the 2, but in 5 sets :D

Fumus
06-09-2006, 05:38 PM
Just like last year it will be Nadal in 4. Nadal will take the first set, lose the second set, go to a tb in the third win it, and steam roll the 4th set.

R.Federer
06-09-2006, 05:39 PM
Fed in 5, allez!!!!

Argenbrit
06-09-2006, 05:40 PM
Even though I'm not a Nadal fan, I think he'll win again in 4 or 5.

rofe
06-09-2006, 05:40 PM
Nadal has the edge but I am rooting for Fed so Fed in 5!

Chocobo
06-09-2006, 05:40 PM
Federer in 4

Deivid23
06-09-2006, 05:42 PM
Roger will win, as always

Allez
06-09-2006, 05:44 PM
Roger will win, as always
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Bagelicious
06-09-2006, 05:45 PM
Roger will win, as always

:eek: Deivid23 is that you or did your evil MTF twin write that?

yanchr
06-09-2006, 05:45 PM
Roger in 4

Allez
06-09-2006, 05:46 PM
Nadal is odds on favourite and I think he'll win in four. Can't hit winners against Nadal on clay. They keep coming back.

robinhood
06-09-2006, 05:46 PM
Roger, PLEASE let's win this thing and get it over with!!!!

Fed in four

ugotlobbed
06-09-2006, 05:48 PM
hahaha look at all those agassi fans rooting for nadal still lamenting

Freeze17171
06-09-2006, 06:09 PM
Federer wants the French more than anyone and wants to beat Nadal in the finals to get it, the table is set up for him to do so. He has been playing Nadal progressively better on clay, and in their last match, he had good chances to win the match.

Federer in 5.

Fergie
06-09-2006, 06:11 PM
Roger in 4 or 5! :)

LilyRoseAva
06-09-2006, 06:12 PM
cruel dilemne for me, I love the two players but if i must choose an player, i would say ROGER in five sets

kittysweet
06-09-2006, 06:14 PM
the king of clay will crucify j-fed in less than 3 hours...but then again someone might give him a banana before he goes on court

Viken01
06-09-2006, 06:24 PM
i say nadal in 4

connectolove
06-09-2006, 06:33 PM
I want Nadal to win, who knows whatīs going to happen bc Rog is great, but Nadal is my fav.

Corey Feldman
06-09-2006, 06:34 PM
Nadal will win alot of RG titles in the next few years, but he wont win this one
!!! :D :bounce:
jungle boy will be stepping/getting swatted aside on sunday as its history time for the greatest player who has ever lived

Fed in 3.


Nadal will take the first set, lose the second set, go to a tb in the third win it, and steam roll the 4th set.you mean like Fed did to Agassi in the US Open F last year..

g35-great
06-09-2006, 06:35 PM
this is were it all ends for the assman :smoke:

Deivid23
06-09-2006, 06:37 PM
Roger will win, as always

Now, my serious answer:

Nadal in 4 (close) sets overcoming the handicap of receiving a penalty point bc taking too much time between points.

Ales_Alessandra
06-09-2006, 06:54 PM
Nadal in 3!

tennisgal_001
06-09-2006, 06:57 PM
Fed is 7-0 at Slam finals... this will be no different. Nadal is very vulnerable at the moment, and Federer will not let go until he's crowned 2006 RG Champion.
Federer in 4

LLeytonRules
06-09-2006, 07:03 PM
Nadal in 4, i hope i am wrong, i am rooting for Roger.I know that Roger has been in big matches before but i feel this is the biggest of his career against his nemesis.Did he learn something from Roma?We will find out.I am rooting for Roger big time.

DrJules
06-09-2006, 07:07 PM
Rafael has the edge in this grand slam and will probably win in 4 sets. Any other grand slam final and I would pick Roger. However, Rafael moves better on this surface and the slowness of the court will give him time to retrieve balls. Roger will make too many mistakes trying to hit through the wall.

The recovery time Rafael takes between serving points could be crucial and if the umpire allows him to take this time. Without this time Rafael may physically struggle.

mangoes
06-09-2006, 07:07 PM
Roger will win this........I don't know how, and I don't care how............I just hope that Roger kicks Nadal's very gorgeous ass so hard that Nadal lands, smack dab, in the middle of the grass season............... :lol:

Then I will resume my appreciation of both players................

prima donna
06-09-2006, 07:09 PM
Hahahaha.

deliveryman
06-09-2006, 07:13 PM
I know I'm going against all logic here, but:

In Rome and MC, I just knew Nadal was going to win.

But I have this really strong feeling in the pit of my stomach that come Sunday afternoon, it's going to be Roger's turn.

Tom_Bombadil
06-09-2006, 07:48 PM
For me it's just the opposite. I have the feeling on my guts than Nadal is going to kick Federer's ass in 3 sets delivering his best tennis of the tournament, and just at the right moment.

His progression has been excellent. In this match he played one more level above, and he always gets better and better on the finals. I think his record in finals is 12 - 1 or something (I can't remember).

If you get to know the guy, you understand his incredible mental strength and how he can get the best under such pressure. The public will be all against him and cheering for Roger, the vast majority of the press will be against him and cheering for Roger, this forum will be all against him and cheering for Roger... for him in the Phillipe Chatrier it's going to be something like a Davis Cup final Spain vs. Switzerland in Switzerland... but the problem for you is that, to him, such pressure is a bless. As much pressure as you put the boy he's going to play better and better. And when he wins he's going to dedicate victory to all tennis fans out there.

Mark my words: Nadal wins in three, kicking Federer's ass and delivering his best tennis.

P.S.: it's a risky bet but Nadal is such an extraordinary competitor than pressure is like pasta for him. :D And he's always very hungry.

vincayou
06-09-2006, 07:54 PM
Federer in 4, mark my words. ;)

I have a good feeling about this match. Nadal has everything to lose. What is worth the longest streak on clay if you only have one GS?

tennisgal_001
06-09-2006, 08:02 PM
Roger wants it more

tangerine_dream
06-09-2006, 08:03 PM
I will be daring! I will say Roger in straight sets. :)

Why? Because Rafa is not playing as well as he was playing last year; he has been playing tenative all week and his bp conversion is way down. The crowd will be against Rafa (not that it ever bothered him but still...) and mostly for Roger. They will do the wave and that will help calm Roger's nerves. ;)

Roger does have the keys to beat Rafa, we all saw that in Rome.

Some have said that Rafa is in Roger's head, but I think after the Rome final, Roger managed to squeeze inside Rafa's head as well. Both players will be playing with a lot of pressure on them: Rafa to defend his Clay God status, Roger to make history. I think we will see a bit of choking from both players in the final.

But if Roger has mp, I will be very surprised if he manages to choke a second title away, especially the one he wants very, very badly.

Freeze17171
06-09-2006, 08:03 PM
For me it's just the opposite. I have the feeling on my guts than Nadal is going to kick Federer's ass in 3 sets delivering his best tennis of the tournament, and just at the right moment.

His progression has been excellent. In this match he played one more level above, and he always gets better and better on the finals. I think his record in finals is 12 - 1 or something (I can't remember).

If you get to know the guy, you understand his incredible mental strength and how he can get the best under such pressure. The public will be all against him and cheering for Roger, the vast majority of the press will be against him and cheering for Roger, this forum will be all against him and cheering for Roger... for him in the Phillipe Chatrier it's going to be something like a Davis Cup final Spain vs. Switzerland in Switzerland... but the problem for you is that, to him, such pressure is a bless. As much pressure as you put the boy he's going to play better and better. And when he wins he's going to dedicate victory to all tennis fans out there.

Mark my words: Nadal wins in three, kicking Federer's ass and delivering his best tennis.

P.S.: it's a risky bet but Nadal is such an extraordinary competitor than pressure is like pasta for him. :D And he's always very hungry.

I could agree with you, but the fact that you think Roger will lose in 3 straight sets makes me think you're delusional.

tennisgal_001
06-09-2006, 08:16 PM
But if Roger has mp, I will be very surprised if he manages to choke a second title away, especially the one he wants very, very badly.

I doubt he'd blow a MP tomorrow...

yomeK
06-09-2006, 08:19 PM
Fed in 4 :yeah:

oneandonlyhsn
06-09-2006, 08:20 PM
My heart says Roger, my head says Rafa :sad: plz prove me wrong Roger

Whatever thank God clay is over :woohoo:

Tom_Bombadil
06-09-2006, 08:23 PM
I will be daring! I will say Roger in straight sets. :)

Why? Because Rafa is not playing as well as he was playing last year; he has been playing tenative all week and his bp conversion is way down. The crowd will be against Rafa (not that it ever bothered him but still...) and mostly for Roger. They will do the wave and that will help calm Roger's nerves. ;)

Roger does have the keys to beat Rafa, we all saw that in Rome.

Some have said that Rafa is in Roger's head, but I think after the Rome final, Roger managed to squeeze inside Rafa's head as well. Both players will be playing with a lot of pressure on them: Rafa to defend his Clay God status, Roger to make history. I think we will see a bit of choking from both players in the final.

But if Roger has mp, I will be very surprised if he manages to choke a second title away, especially the one he wants very, very badly.


I don't know if you're informed Rafa actually beated Roger in Rome. :rolleyes: It's funny for me how people react to Rafa's victories. I mean: Mathieu lost in 4 sets and he was saying: he's not unbeatable, you have to show him how to play... speaking as he's just won the man. Djokovic the same... (I came to the conclusion the man really has to be a titan just because of hearing how people speak of him, celebrating defeats as if they've just won) Here again, it happens Rafa has lost only 1 time in five sets against Fed and he was an inexperienced boy then playing his first MTS final against the indisputable number one... but people, thinking their objetive, thow in totally biased sentences like that. :D Talk about delusional... But facts are these, this 20 year old player named Rafael Nadal:

- Is 20 years old.
- Has 8 masters series titles.
- Has one RG being, with Matts Wilander, the only debutant to win it.
- Has 16 titles as a teenager, tying with mr. Bjorn Borg.
- Has a 59 consecutive victories on clay.
- Has a 5 - 1 in H2H with Federer.
- Has an incredible record on finals (something like 12 - 1).

One question: how many titles had won Mr. Roger Federer as a teenager? Numbers can't be manipulated.

jenanun
06-09-2006, 08:24 PM
rafa in 3...

based on

1. federer 1st set performance in the SF (i went out for lunch so i missed the 2nd and 3rd set... so maybe i m wrong, that his roger was playing great in those set... but his 1st set was...... pretty bad... )

2. nadal's match in the SF

3. their h2h on clay

oneandonlyhsn
06-09-2006, 08:25 PM
If you get to know the guy, you understand his incredible mental strength and how he can get the best under such pressure. The public will be all against him and cheering for Roger, the vast majority of the press will be against him and cheering for Roger, this forum will be all against him and cheering for Roger... for him in the Phillipe Chatrier it's going to be something like a Davis Cup final Spain vs. Switzerland in Switzerland... but the problem for you is that, to him, such pressure is a bless. As much pressure as you put the boy he's going to play better and better. And when he wins he's going to dedicate victory to all tennis fans out there.

.

http://yelims5.free.fr/Zik/Musique16.gif A little dramatic are we

tangerine_dream
06-09-2006, 08:26 PM
Roger does have the keys to beat Rafa, we all saw that in Rome.
but people, thinking their objetive, thow in totally biased sentences like that.
You don't have to agree with my prediction but I really don't see how this comment of mine that you bolded is "biased." Do you even know what the word means?

oneandonlyhsn
06-09-2006, 08:29 PM
You don't have to agree with my prediction but I really don't see how this comment of mine that you bolded is "biased." Do you even know what the word means?

:bowdown: Tangy the bully strikes again, vamos :p

Tom_Bombadil
06-09-2006, 08:32 PM
You don't have to agree with my prediction but I really don't see how this comment of mine that you bolded is "biased." Do you even know what the word means?

Yeah tangerine. Anwer this question please. If Roger has the keys to beating Rafa then, what the hell does Rafa have taking into consideration he has beat him five times, all as a teenager?

Well yeah, you're pretty objetive. Federer has the keys of how to beat Rafa... and Rafa has the keys, the kays, the kiys and the koys (he'll eventually find the kuys).

Billabong
06-09-2006, 08:34 PM
I'm surprised to see so many people voting for Fed, I feel like these polls in Monte Carlo and Roma were a little bit similar, but everytime it was Rafael winning... I know Fed will want badly to win tomorrow (and me too of course:p) but Nadal is SO confident right now, I feel like Fed might be very nervous like last year... I mean, even if he has a lead and is close to winning, do you think he'll always stay focused and concentrated, knowing he's SO close to beat his nemesis and COMPLETING the Grand Slam, the Roger slam? I can't imagine him serving for the title without being nervous and committing easy mistakes, it would be just too much:p It's gonna be a huge mental test for him, he has so many demons to overcome, and the prize of winning this match is probably his biggest ever, winning against Nadal in a GS final while completing the Grand Slam and the Roger Slam... I really hope he'll be able to swing freely and STAY focused during the whole match, but Rogi is still human, so we might see some nerves from him, especially if he's close to winning... I really hope he proves me wrong though, just like when he won his 7 precedent slams:p! I mean, for example, I have a hard time seeing him convert a championship point at 4-6, 7-6, 7-5, 2-6, 5-4 AD Roger;) But it would be niiiiiiiiiice, I really hope he brings his best game like against Berdych and even better, GOOOOOOO FEDDDDDDDDD:yeah:!!!

oneandonlyhsn
06-09-2006, 08:42 PM
Yeah tangerine. Anwer this question please. If Roger has the keys to beating Rafa then, what the hell does Rafa have taking into consideration he has beat him five times, all as a teenager?

Well yeah, you're pretty objetive. Federer has the keys of how to beat Rafa... and Rafa has the keys, the kays, the kiys and the koys (he'll eventually find the kuys).

Seriously you need to take a chill pill, this is a poll where people are making predictions. tangy made hers, you disagree thats fine. Roger has the keys to beat Rafa, Rafa has the keys to beat Blake, just because you have the keys doesnt mean you will be able to implement them.

the kiys and the koys (he'll eventually find the kuys). Oh and stop trying to be so smart it doesnt suit you

tennisgal_001
06-09-2006, 08:42 PM
but Nadal is SO confident right now

May I beg to differ, but Nadal has probably been at the most vulnerable stage I've seen him at since the beginning of the 2005 season. He's dropped sets to PHM & Lleyton, had trouble finishing off Ljube today, though leading 4 & 2, you'd think Ljubo would be served a breadstick. Nadal started feeling the pressure after he set the record, and nerves have started to creep in, and it shows, so I'm not really sure where you got the impression that he's SO confident from?

For example, I have a hard time seeing him convert a championship point at 4-6, 7-6, 7-5, 2-6, 5-4 AD Roger;)

You just made my day... thanks :worship:

Tom_Bombadil
06-09-2006, 08:46 PM
Seriously you need to take a chill pill, this is a poll where people are making predictions. tangy made hers, you disagree thats fine. Roger has the keys to beat Rafa, Rafa has the keys to beat Blake, just because you have the keys doesnt mean you will be able to implement them.

the kiys and the koys (he'll eventually find the kuys). Oh and stop trying to be so smart it doesnt suit you

You don't know me!

Yeah, you're right. :rolleyes: It's going to be some time where the guy who has the keys will need to open the door to prove he has them. If not, you're in your right to start thinking he's a liar. :rolleyes: Or translating it to an intellectual level that suits you: it's time to win, if you have the keys and don't win then what do you want them for?

P.S.: ah, and Nadal has the keys to beat Blake? I'm imagining some folk saying this and all this board laughing. I'd never say such silly thing. And thank you, you served my point stating that. :D

tangerine_dream
06-09-2006, 08:48 PM
Yeah tangerine. Anwer this question please. If Roger has the keys to beating Rafa then, what the hell does Rafa have taking into consideration he has beat him five times, all as a teenager?
You obviously didn't see the Rome final where Roger and Rafa were dead even in points won and that Roger had 2 mp's.

Rome was the match where many had predicted that Roger would lose in straight sets but he did not fold. He fought like hell and he did learn something about how to beat Rafa, otherwise he wouldn't have had mp's would he?

For the record, I'm a fan of both players not just one, so my observations, I think, are far less biased than yours, which are obviously pro-Rafa/anti-Fed.

oneandonlyhsn
06-09-2006, 08:50 PM
You don't know me!

Yeah, you're right. :rolleyes: It's going to be some time where the guy who has the keys will need to open the door to prove he has them. If not, you're in your right to start thinking he's a liar. :rolleyes: Or translating it to an intellectual level that suits you: it's time to win, if you have the keys and don't win then what do you want them for?

P.S.: ah, and Nadal has the keys to beat Blake? I'm imagining some folk saying this and all this board laughing. I'd never say such silly thing. And thank you, you served my point stating that. :D

:worship: You just proved my point, I guess expecting someone like you to talk sensibly is just asking for too much :lol:

Billabong
06-09-2006, 08:51 PM
May I beg to differ, but Nadal has probably been at the most vulnerable stage I've seen him at since the beginning of the 2005 season. He's dropped sets to PHM & Lleyton, had trouble finishing off Ljube today, though leading 4 & 2, you'd think Ljubo would be served a breadstick. Nadal started feeling the pressure after he set the record, and nerves have started to creep in, and it shows, so I'm not really sure where you got the impression that he's SO confident from?:

I know, but don't you think he doesn't know Roger might be even more nervous than him on the crucial points? I've rarely seen nadal getting nervous, and I've never seen him choke in his whole career (Miami 2005 is arguable).. I know he hasn't looked his best in this tournament, but can Roger take advantage of this finally? That's the questions I'm asking myself, Roger will have to really step it up and CONVERT his break points when he has... He needs to stay aggressive consistently and not let Nadal coming back when he's up a break... we've seen this too many times already.. There is SO much to win for Roger and SO much to lose at the same time...

Tom_Bombadil
06-09-2006, 08:55 PM
May I beg to differ, but Nadal has probably been at the most vulnerable stage I've seen him at since the beginning of the 2005 season. He's dropped sets to PHM & Lleyton, had trouble finishing off Ljube today, though leading 4 & 2, you'd think Ljubo would be served a breadstick. Nadal started feeling the pressure after he set the record, and nerves have started to creep in, and it shows, so I'm not really sure where you got the impression that he's SO confident from?



You just made my day... thanks :worship:

:eek: :haha: Total biased BS. I mean, Federer lost one set and was losing 3 -0 on the second against an injured player, Nadal has just played his best tennis this week against Ljubo... but you come to the conclusion that Nadal's feeling the pressure? Oh yeah, I bet that but... you know: Nadal's going to play better and better as the pressure grows. Did you really see Nadal's match? :rolleyes: The guy makes three aces on the tiebreak, with all the pressure. Seriously, keep putting the pressure on him saying his getting down... you're doing him a favour. Just look at this Sunday match man, you're going to be very surprised.

gusman890
06-09-2006, 08:57 PM
federer in 5

asotgod
06-09-2006, 08:57 PM
I don't know if you're informed Rafa actually beated Roger in Rome. :rolleyes: It's funny for me how people react to Rafa's victories. I mean: Mathieu lost in 4 sets and he was saying: he's not unbeatable, you have to show him how to play... speaking as he's just won the man. Djokovic the same... (I came to the conclusion the man really has to be a titan just because of hearing how people speak of him, celebrating defeats as if they've just won) Here again, it happens Rafa has lost only 1 time in five sets against Fed and he was an inexperienced boy then playing his first MTS final against the indisputable number one... but people, thinking their objetive, thow in totally biased sentences like that. :D Talk about delusional... But facts are these, this 20 year old player named Rafael Nadal:

- Is 20 years old.
- Has 8 masters series titles.
- Has one RG being, with Matts Wilander, the only debutant to win it.
- Has 16 titles as a teenager, tying with mr. Bjorn Borg.
- Has a 59 consecutive victories on clay.
- Has a 5 - 1 in H2H with Federer.
- Has an incredible record on finals (something like 12 - 1).

One question: how many titles had won Mr. Roger Federer as a teenager? Numbers can't be manipulated.

I did not know Nadal had 8 masters series title.

Billabong
06-09-2006, 08:58 PM
yah, I feel sometimes that Nadal never feels pressure, he ALWAYS brings his best shots when it's close and when it's crucial, and he's probably the only one who's able to do that... this guy doesn't feel nerves..

Tom_Bombadil
06-09-2006, 08:58 PM
:worship: You just proved my point, I guess expecting someone like you to talk sensibly is just asking for too much :lol:

Making illogical comments and putting smileys doesn't make you look right. Sorry for that but yeahhh whaaatever you say dude... :rolleyes:

Billabong
06-09-2006, 08:59 PM
BTW Tom you are also totally BIASED, who are you to tell anyone else that they are biased:rolleyes:

DrJules
06-09-2006, 08:59 PM
yah, I feel sometimes that Nadal never feels pressure, he ALWAYS brings his best shots when it's close and when it's crucial, and he's probably the only one who's able to do that... this guy doesn't feel nerves..

Except when he plays Blake.

Billabong
06-09-2006, 09:01 PM
Except when he plays Blake.

James:bowdown::worship:

supersexynadal
06-09-2006, 09:01 PM
in monte carlo and rome federer looked like he was going to win and i had a HUUGE feeling he would. This time i dont think so. He looks vunerable and nadal was VERY agressive today. Not only that but he shows us more in the final. Federer was hardly tested throughout the tourney and i think thats a disadvantage. He needed to finish toda match to sort of "practise" for the final

Tom_Bombadil
06-09-2006, 09:02 PM
BTW Tom you are also totally BIASED, who are you to tell anyone else that they are biased:rolleyes:

People are not biased on the Internet, you simply don't know them. Texts, sentences, phrases or statements are biased. Or what is the same: prove your point, make a quote, debate my points.

Lebowski
06-09-2006, 09:03 PM
Federer in 4

Tom_Bombadil
06-09-2006, 09:03 PM
Except when he plays Blake.

Yeah, that is a totally objective point supported by numbers. (Though I believe they've never faced each other on clay).

jacobhiggins
06-09-2006, 09:07 PM
For me it's just the opposite. I have the feeling on my guts than Nadal is going to kick Federer's ass in 3 sets delivering his best tennis of the tournament, and just at the right moment.

His progression has been excellent. In this match he played one more level above, and he always gets better and better on the finals. I think his record in finals is 12 - 1 or something (I can't remember).

If you get to know the guy, you understand his incredible mental strength and how he can get the best under such pressure. The public will be all against him and cheering for Roger, the vast majority of the press will be against him and cheering for Roger, this forum will be all against him and cheering for Roger... for him in the Phillipe Chatrier it's going to be something like a Davis Cup final Spain vs. Switzerland in Switzerland... but the problem for you is that, to him, such pressure is a bless. As much pressure as you put the boy he's going to play better and better. And when he wins he's going to dedicate victory to all tennis fans out there.

Mark my words: Nadal wins in three, kicking Federer's ass and delivering his best tennis.

P.S.: it's a risky bet but Nadal is such an extraordinary competitor than pressure is like pasta for him. :D And he's always very hungry.


I hate fanboys and fangirls!

asotgod
06-09-2006, 09:10 PM
I think this is a very great opportunity Roger should not miss. He better pray about this. Anyways, this match IMO will hinge on 2 things:
- how many errors Roger is able to force from Nadal (forced errors)
- how many unforced errors Roger makes

We all know that Nadal is gradually becoming the King of forcing errors from opponents. Roger is not like that however. He can, but not even half as efficiently as Nadal. Roger definitely will hit more winners, sometimes almost double while his unforced errors are high. However, if he can force Nadal into a lot of errors by being very consistently accurate both in defense and aggression, then he wins. If not, Nadal wins. Sometimes, Roger has an easy shot to make and goes for too much. Rarely, do you see Nadal do that. His style of game also gives him more margin for error than Roger. So, if Roger can force a lot of errors from Nadal and at the same time reduce his own unforced errors, then he wins easily.

I just have this feeling that it will be a 4 set win with no tiebreak at all, somewhat like the one Roger and Nalby played in Australia 2 years ago. Roger is obviously chasing history. I think his strategy initially will be to make Nadal work extremely hard by not necessarily going for winners too early but keeping very consistent in the rallies, even if he loses some of them. Then, he will try to put pressure on the Nadal serve. Nadal is also chasing recognition as a genuine threat to Roger media-given role as Mr. Sunday. None can be bigger than a grandslam final, although the surface favors Nadal. Nadal will be out to protect his own turf and also get into Roger's head for subsequent matches. Roger will be out to make history and also get the monkey off his back, because of the prior losses to Nadal this year.

Should Nadal win, he gains more prominence and is seen as a bigger threat at other grandslams even if his game is not suited for them, just like Hewitt used to be seen. If he loses, he is seen as a lesser threat but a great teenage player. Should Roger win, he will IMO have an advantage in subsequent matches for beating Nadal on his least favorite surface, and also will receive accolades as one of the greatest ever officially, if not the greatest.

I just think that as much as Roger is the underdog, he and the media have put too much pressure on himself (Roger). I think he will be a tad bit too nervous in the early stages but fight to win in 4 sets. Hoping for a well-played match on both sides, no gamesmanship and better interest in tennis.

Tom_Bombadil
06-09-2006, 09:10 PM
You obviously didn't see the Rome final where Roger and Rafa were dead even in points won and that Roger had 2 mp's.

Rome was the match where many had predicted that Roger would lose in straight sets but he did not fold. He fought like hell and he did learn something about how to beat Rafa, otherwise he wouldn't have had mp's would he?

For the record, I'm a fan of both players not just one, so my observations, I think, are far less biased than yours, which are obviously pro-Rafa/anti-Fed.

I've seen the Rome final just like 4 or 5 times. And the last set even more times.

I'm going to put that easy. If Roger fought like hell and learned something about how to beat Rafa, otherwise he wouldn't have had mp's... then: Rafa learned something more about how to beat Roger, otherwise he wouldn't have won the match. And that fact is supported by these numbers: 5 - 1 in head to head.

ys
06-09-2006, 09:13 PM
I don't see Federer handling the tremendous pressure of the biggest match of his career. Repeat for Nadal.

Raul-Lopez
06-09-2006, 09:16 PM
hehe always the same. A lot of gays saying "Federer will win..." and later the reality is NADAL WILL WIN AGAIN. I know . You Know. We Know.

supersexynadal
06-09-2006, 09:17 PM
Originally Posted by Tom_Bombadil
For me it's just the opposite. I have the feeling on my guts than Nadal is going to kick Federer's ass in 3 sets delivering his best tennis of the tournament, and just at the right moment.

His progression has been excellent. In this match he played one more level above, and he always gets better and better on the finals. I think his record in finals is 12 - 1 or something (I can't remember).

If you get to know the guy, you understand his incredible mental strength and how he can get the best under such pressure. The public will be all against him and cheering for Roger, the vast majority of the press will be against him and cheering for Roger, this forum will be all against him and cheering for Roger... for him in the Phillipe Chatrier it's going to be something like a Davis Cup final Spain vs. Switzerland in Switzerland... but the problem for you is that, to him, such pressure is a bless. As much pressure as you put the boy he's going to play better and better. And when he wins he's going to dedicate victory to all tennis fans out there.

Mark my words: Nadal wins in three, kicking Federer's ass and delivering his best tennis.

P.S.: it's a risky bet but Nadal is such an extraordinary competitor than pressure is like pasta for him. And he's always very hungry
Good post
But how do u know the fans will be for roger?? Last year it was equal i think.
Nadal mental strength is just amazing. i have no words for it *knock wood* He'll play his best tennis lke he ALWAYS does in finals but federer just didnt play enough tough matches. He played some rogermazing winners against nalby but didnt use them to keep momentum is u know what i mean. Nadal makes a great shot, a vamos and keeps going. Federer wont last in long rallis and nadal wins most of those as wesaw from the stats of todays match. Also, ljubicic likes to finish and avoid long rallies and even nadal oudid him in that. and remember, the court is SLOWER than rome and monte carlo...

Tom_Bombadil
06-09-2006, 09:18 PM
hehe always the same. A lot of gays saying "Federer will win..." and later the reality is NADAL WILL WIN AGAIN. I know . You Know. We Know.

Yeah, but don't forget that Federer has the keys. It's simply that the man doesn't want to use them. He has them hidden on a secret place. :D

Tom_Bombadil
06-09-2006, 09:19 PM
Originally Posted by Tom_Bombadil
For me it's just the opposite. I have the feeling on my guts than Nadal is going to kick Federer's ass in 3 sets delivering his best tennis of the tournament, and just at the right moment.

His progression has been excellent. In this match he played one more level above, and he always gets better and better on the finals. I think his record in finals is 12 - 1 or something (I can't remember).

If you get to know the guy, you understand his incredible mental strength and how he can get the best under such pressure. The public will be all against him and cheering for Roger, the vast majority of the press will be against him and cheering for Roger, this forum will be all against him and cheering for Roger... for him in the Phillipe Chatrier it's going to be something like a Davis Cup final Spain vs. Switzerland in Switzerland... but the problem for you is that, to him, such pressure is a bless. As much pressure as you put the boy he's going to play better and better. And when he wins he's going to dedicate victory to all tennis fans out there.

Mark my words: Nadal wins in three, kicking Federer's ass and delivering his best tennis.

P.S.: it's a risky bet but Nadal is such an extraordinary competitor than pressure is like pasta for him. And he's always very hungry
Good post
But how do u know the fans will be for roger?? Last year it was equal i think.
Nadal mental strength is just amazing. i have no words for it *knock wood* He'll play his best tennis lke he ALWAYS does in finals but federer just didnt play enough tough matches. He played some rogermazing winners against nalby but didnt use them to keep momentum is u know what i mean. Nadal makes a great shot, a vamos and keeps going. Federer wont last in long rallis and nadal wins most of those as wesaw from the stats of todays match. Also, ljubicic likes to finish and avoid long rallies and even nadal oudid him in that. and remember, the court is SLOWER than rome and monte carlo...

Good point supersexynadal, goood point.

Jimnik
06-09-2006, 09:20 PM
Nadal is going to be more nervous than ever before.

Federer will feel no pressure at all since he's the underdog and has nothing to lose.

KoOlMaNsEaN
06-09-2006, 09:21 PM
Showing my loyalty Fed in 5.

Billabong
06-09-2006, 09:28 PM
Nadal is going to be more nervous than ever before.

Federer will feel no pressure at all since he's the underdog and has nothing to lose.

nothing to lose??? apart from the Roger slam, an opportunity to beat his nemesis and an opportunity to complete a career Grand Slam? Nadal might get nervous, yes, but I'm sure it won't show. Federer, however, makes it obvious when he's nervous:scared: I hope so much he can deal with it and stay calm, focused and play his game to win Sunday:)

adelaide
06-09-2006, 09:31 PM
I can't see it tomorrow ARGHGHARGHGHARARGHHH. :sad: :mad: I voted for Rafael in 4, that is what I am hoping will happen I guess. I really can't tell what's going to happen.

Raul-Lopez
06-09-2006, 09:35 PM
Nadal is going to be more nervous than ever before.

Federer will feel no pressure at all since he's the underdog and has nothing to lose.

:rolleyes: Sorry but i think the pressure is for Federer. He is the number one and nadal won the title the last year. Federer have the pressure of be the next Sampras if he lost again

Nadal shouldnt be any pressure . He play against number one and is now a RG champion

LLeytonRules
06-09-2006, 09:38 PM
Its pretty simple, we will find out if Roger learned anything from that Roma final.He will need to serve very well, protect his service games.

Allez
06-09-2006, 09:44 PM
I'm surprised to see so many people voting for Fed, I feel like these polls in Monte Carlo and Roma were a little bit similar, but everytime it was Rafael winning... I know Fed will want badly to win tomorrow (and me too of course:p) but Nadal is SO confident right now, I feel like Fed might be very nervous like last year... I mean, even if he has a lead and is close to winning, do you think he'll always stay focused and concentrated, knowing he's SO close to beat his nemesis and COMPLETING the Grand Slam, the Roger slam? I can't imagine him serving for the title without being nervous and committing easy mistakes, it would be just too much:p It's gonna be a huge mental test for him, he has so many demons to overcome, and the prize of winning this match is probably his biggest ever, winning against Nadal in a GS final while completing the Grand Slam and the Roger Slam... I really hope he'll be able to swing freely and STAY focused during the whole match, but Rogi is still human, so we might see some nerves from him, especially if he's close to winning... I really hope he proves me wrong though, just like when he won his 7 precedent slams:p! I mean, for example, I have a hard time seeing him convert a championship point at 4-6, 7-6, 7-5, 2-6, 5-4 AD Roger;) But it would be niiiiiiiiiice, I really hope he brings his best game like against Berdych and even better, GOOOOOOO FEDDDDDDDDD:yeah:!!!
My sentiments exactly. The poll always seems to predict Federer winning and he loses everytime. I think federer fans just confuse making predictions with supporting a player. They think the poll is about who your favourite player is.

I too am not to sure that Roger can close it out when it matters the most. When the moment comes to serve for the Rogi Slam. When Nadal asks the questions. When the French crowd have done their Rogi Wave and await Roger to make history. How will Roger handle it ? He faltered against Massu and Massu isn't half the player Rafa has become. Will the real Roger please stand up on Sunday!!

adelaide
06-09-2006, 09:47 PM
Nadal shouldnt be any pressure . He play against number one and is now a RG champion
that could be pressure right there, that he's defending a GS title for the first time. Well it's different for every player I assume, but it could be.

Billabong
06-09-2006, 09:49 PM
My sentiments exactly. The poll always seems to predict Federer winning and he loses everytime. I think federer fans just confuse making predictions with supporting a player. They think the poll is about who your favourite player is.

I too am not to sure that Roger can close it out when it matters the most. When the moment comes to serve for the Rogi Slam. When Nadal asks the questions. When the French crowd have done their Rogi Wave and await Roger to make history. How will Roger handle it ? He faltered against Massu and Massu isn't half the player Rafa has become. Will the real Roger please stand up on Sunday!!

Exactly;). It's really time for Roger to make it on Sunday, show that he's not scared of the kid and that he wants it the most. Also, it would be nice to see him, if he has the opportunity to close it out, doing it without choking and in style;)

Billabong
06-09-2006, 09:50 PM
that could be pressure right there, that he's defending a GS title for the first time. Well it's different for every player I assume, but it could be.

Might be, as he never defended a Grand Slam title before, but seeing how he defended Monte Carlo and Roma, I wouldn't be scared for him.

avocadoe
06-09-2006, 09:52 PM
I know I'm going against all logic here, but:

In Rome and MC, I just knew Nadal was going to win.

But I have this really strong feeling in the pit of my stomach that come Sunday afternoon, it's going to be Roger's turn.
I hope you are right on in your gut feeling :) I won't believe it until he does it, but its what I wish for, for him, for the records. But close as he comes I still can't quite hold the vision of it, until I see it with my own eyes. So I'd say Nadal in 5 and pray I'm wrong!

adelaide
06-09-2006, 09:57 PM
Might be, as he never defended a Grand Slam title before, but seeing how he defended Monte Carlo and Roma, I wouldn't be scared for him.
:lol: yeah. I was actually pretty scared in the beginning of this year that he'd collected too many points to defend this year, but he's done that pretty well. We will see.

The matchup itself is pretty damn exciting, of course my loyalty wants Rafael to win but either way it'll be well-deserved. It's just SO FREAKING UNFORTUNATE that I can't see this ROAR.

jenanun
06-09-2006, 09:58 PM
My sentiments exactly. The poll always seems to predict Federer winning and he loses everytime. I think federer fans just confuse making predictions with supporting a player. They think the poll is about who your favourite player is.



thats what i think as well...

interestingly, for those who voted for nadal, most of them choose nadal in 4

and for federer, most choose 5...

i guess most people think... if nadal cannot close it in 4, very likely federer can win in 5 no?


anyway, i would say nadal in 3 or 4....

DDrago2
06-09-2006, 09:58 PM
The poll untill now sais: around 54% for Federer, 46% for Nadal. That is as close as it gets I suppose...
I didn't vote, I have no idea what will happen

But Roger will certianly not be affected buy the thought of Roger Slam. I mean, he already missed-out Kiefer Slam, and he wasn't too traumatised (Kiefer Slam - beating Nicolas Kiefer four slams in a row)

avocadoe
06-09-2006, 10:06 PM
lol kiefer-slam...

Conita
06-09-2006, 10:26 PM
mmm i think and hope that Federer will win.
i know he has lost the last times on clay
but i believe th last time was a matter of nerves
however if he plays anything like today he's got no chance!
all i hope is a 5 set match to Fed :D

Action Jackson
06-09-2006, 10:29 PM
Tennis will be the winner.

niko
06-09-2006, 10:29 PM
The winner of the first set will be the winner! :)

ChinoRios4Ever
06-09-2006, 10:29 PM
in rome was a TB 5 set match
but in RG it's a long 5 set with no TB

ROGER WINS 14-12 IN THE 5TH!!!!

Allez
06-09-2006, 10:31 PM
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ROGER WINS 14-12 IN THE 5TH!!!!
OH NO!! Wimbledon is just a few weeks away ;)

bad gambler
06-09-2006, 11:21 PM
I support neither, but this time Fedex will be getting my full backing - too much on the line for the Swiss master and I want him to confirm his position in tennis history

Hopp Roger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deboogle!.
06-09-2006, 11:23 PM
I doubt straight sets. These guys's matches have all been too close. I think Roger will finally pull it out.

denisgiann
06-09-2006, 11:41 PM
Federer in 4, mark my words. ;)

I have a good feeling about this match. Nadal has everything to lose. What is worth the longest streak on clay if you only have one GS?

couldnt agree with you more.

jh21
06-09-2006, 11:56 PM
I hear all this talk about how Roger will be feeling the pressure and that he will choke in big moments. Um... what's his record again in grand slam finals?

All logic does point to nadal, however, i think special players will make special plays on the biggest stage.

Federer will do it come sunday.

Scotso
06-09-2006, 11:58 PM
Nadal in 4.

Blue Orange
06-10-2006, 12:03 AM
I think Fed may do it in four - personally I would like Rafa to win it in five. Whoever wins - and in how many sets - lets just hope for a classic.

rue
06-10-2006, 12:42 AM
I think that Monsieur Nadal will successfully defend his French Open title in a classic final. This match will be even better than Rome.

Halba
06-10-2006, 12:55 AM
too close to call..i'm rooting for Fed but want good match

hitchhiker
06-10-2006, 01:04 AM
as one of the few people who picked federer to win in rome let me say this the winner is pretty clear this time around

a) nadal has the better clay game
b) federer does not match up with nadal well (cant do those cross court backhand slices that turned the match around against nalbandian)
c) nadal has the mental edge
d) federer has WAY WAY more on the line in this match then nadal

in summary Nadal in 4 sets to complete one of the most predictable slams of the last decade

Maxpowers
06-10-2006, 01:06 AM
I'd say Federer in 5, as long as he doesn't play like he did in the first set and a half against Nalbandian.

Merton
06-10-2006, 03:21 AM
I will be happy with any outcome, (for different reasons) but the most likely seems to be:

Rafa in 4.

Merton
06-10-2006, 03:22 AM
The markets give Rafa as the slight favourite, with implied probability of winning 0.57.

Rafa = Fed Killa
06-10-2006, 03:55 AM
Rafa in 4 tight sets.

Bibberz
06-10-2006, 04:24 AM
as one of the few people who picked federer to win in rome let me say this the winner is pretty clear this time around

a) nadal has the better clay game
b) federer does not match up with nadal well (cant do those cross court backhand slices that turned the match around against nalbandian)
c) nadal has the mental edge
d) federer has WAY WAY more on the line in this match then nadal

in summary Nadal in 4 sets to complete one of the most predictable slams of the last decade
You had me all the way until the last line.

hitchhiker
06-10-2006, 04:27 AM
You had me all the way until the last line.

you dont think french open was predictable?

Bibberz
06-10-2006, 05:19 AM
you dont think french open was predictable?
Based on the four preceding bullet points, I assumed you meant the outcome in the Nadal-Federer match is predictable. If you're just saying that it was predictable the two would meet in the final, then I don't disagree. I wouldn't say this FO was anywhere near as predictable as the last two Wimbledons, though.

Tennis Fool
06-10-2006, 05:26 AM
I want Roger to win, but I have a bet going.

Phunkadelicious
06-10-2006, 05:32 AM
Federer in 5, much to my chagrin.

Allez
06-10-2006, 05:50 AM
A few reasons why tomorrow's final will be vastly different from the previous grandslam finals Roger has won and why we can expect him to be very nervous.

1) For the first time Roger goes into a GS final as an underdog.
2) For the first time Roger has reached a RG final.
3) For the first time Roger has a chance to complete a career grandslam.
4) For the first time Roger has a chance to hold an non calender grandslam.
5) For the first time Roger has a chance to go to do the Aussie-French double. When was the last time a player managed to do this ?
6) For the first time Roger meets arch nemesis and world no.1 on clay in a GS final and on clay no less.

You just can't compare this final to the others. Federer has a lot to lose in this final. The stakes could not be higher. That is why nerves will be a big factor. I just hope he forgets all about that and focuses on the match, but judging by his post semi-final interview he's already putting a lot of pressure on himself. He says he's thinking about the implications of his victory tomorrow. What it will mean to him...to tennis. You can't go with that sort of attitude into a match like this. Gotta forget everything and just focus on each and every point. That's Rafa's attitude and that is why he always comes through.

Deivid23
06-10-2006, 05:59 AM
The recovery time Rafael takes between serving points could be crucial and if the umpire allows him to take this time. Without this time Rafael may physically struggle.


ROFL

This may very well be a new excuse I will gladly add to the long list on Sunday if Rafa wins the title :angel:

Deivid23
06-10-2006, 06:01 AM
Nadal is going to be more nervous than ever before.

Federer will feel no pressure at all since he's the underdog and has nothing to lose.

:haha:

tellīem champ :lol:

Deivid23
06-10-2006, 06:12 AM
I will just expose a couple of points I think people may overlook here:

1) Roger himself and many of his fans say in Montecarlo Federer was close to beat Nadal.

Well if you look at the scoreline it may very well be true but I never had other feeling different from Nadal being the better player there, he was leading a set and 5-3 in the 2nd and completely dominating the situation, hadnīt he played a very bad service game at 5-4 (including 2 df if my memory doesnīt fail me) that could very likely have been a straight sets win.

2) In Rome, Federer played as well as ever before on clay (throughout 5 sets), had the full crowd support and what is more important, conditions there were pretty much faster than Chatrierīs ones (anyone wanna bet if Roger can keep here a 76% points won on 1st serve?), found in front of him an average Nadal (specially in 1st set) and even though he had mpīs he failed to convert them and lost again.

My conclusion is:

I think it will be a close match for sure and of course every thing can happen, but I find funny Roger is considered a favourite here (look at the poll results).

Anyway. itīs even better this way as I love to see surprised faces :D

RonE
06-10-2006, 07:07 AM
as one of the few people who picked federer to win in rome let me say this the winner is pretty clear this time around

a) nadal has the better clay game
b) federer does not match up with nadal well (cant do those cross court backhand slices that turned the match around against nalbandian)
c) nadal has the mental edge
d) federer has WAY WAY more on the line in this match then nadal

in summary Nadal in 4 sets to complete one of the most predictable slams of the last decade

Yup, I agree 100%.

bandabou
06-10-2006, 07:29 AM
Nadal's the better clay-courter no doubt, but I do think that Roger does stand a chance tomorrow. Always has taken a set off Nadal on clay, so no straight set defeat.

For Roger to win:
- slice to the BACKhand of Nadal, thus not cross-court!
- stop trying to hit behind the player....Nadal's the tendency to gamble on patterns, so you shouldn't give him one. Alternate between dtl and cross-court..
- serve well...too many second serves, might spell doom.
- stay focused the ENTIRE match.

For Nadal? Just keep on doing what he's been doing for almost 60 matches now.

Should be a good match. The dream-final everybody expected.

Deivid23
06-10-2006, 07:32 AM
The markets give Rafa as the slight favourite, with implied probability of winning 0.57.

Which curiosuly is the same percentage markets gave Roger a year ago ;)

Of course this yearīs estimations are closer to reality

deliveryman
06-10-2006, 07:57 AM
A few reasons why tomorrow's final will be vastly different from the previous grandslam finals Roger has won and why we can expect him to be very nervous.

1) For the first time Roger goes into a GS final as an underdog.
2) For the first time Roger has reached a RG final.
3) For the first time Roger has a chance to complete a career grandslam.
4) For the first time Roger has a chance to hold an non calender grandslam.
5) For the first time Roger has a chance to go to do the Aussie-French double. When was the last time a player managed to do this ?
6) For the first time Roger meets arch nemesis and world no.1 on clay in a GS final and on clay no less.

You just can't compare this final to the others. Federer has a lot to lose in this final. The stakes could not be higher. That is why nerves will be a big factor. I just hope he forgets all about that and focuses on the match, but judging by his post semi-final interview he's already putting a lot of pressure on himself. He says he's thinking about the implications of his victory tomorrow. What it will mean to him...to tennis. You can't go with that sort of attitude into a match like this. Gotta forget everything and just focus on each and every point. That's Rafa's attitude and that is why he always comes through.

Maybe that's what Roger needs. Roger has ALWAYS responded well under pressure, and you're absolutely right, he will feel more pressure than he has ever felt come Sunday afternoon.

Obviously treating it like just another match, like he has done all along when facing Nadal has been his downfall. Maybe he has to vomit a couple times in the locker room before hand, or get extremely nervous and pumped up for the match. You never know, it might make Roger play better. It's different for each person, and that's why I think it's inaccurate for you to say, "well, Roger has to adopt Nadal's attitude, because that's the reason why he always prevails"

Remember in MC finals when Roger blew up at the umpire? Which was very uncharacteristic of him, then all of sudden right after that Roger played unbelievable Tennis, broke Nadal back twice and got back into the match.

I don't know what it is, and I know I'm going against all logic on this one. But I'm almost positive Roger is going to win on Sunday.

fooclate
06-10-2006, 08:03 AM
Maybe that's what Roger needs. Roger has ALWAYS responded well under pressure, and you're absolutely right, he will feel more pressure than he has ever felt come Sunday afternoon.

Obviously treating it like just another match, like he has done all along when facing Nadal has been his downfall. Maybe he has to vomit a couple times in the locker room before hand, or get extremely nervous and pumped up for the match. You never know, it might make Roger play better. It's different for each person, and that's why I think it's inaccurate for you to say, "well, Roger has to adopt Nadal's attitude, because that's the reason why he always prevails"

Remember in MC finals when Roger blew up at the umpire? Which was very uncharacteristic of him, then all of sudden right after that Roger played unbelievable Tennis, broke Nadal back twice and got back into the match.

I don't know what it is, and I know I'm going against all logic on this one. But I'm almost positive Roger is going to win on Sunday.

Couldnt agree more! Federer will definately face more pressure, but technically speaking, we can never measure up the amount of pressure that they are feeling. Only nadal and fed will truly be able to know. Its just for us to speculate thats all.

landoud
06-10-2006, 08:14 AM
Roger in 5

Tom_Bombadil
06-10-2006, 08:28 AM
I will just expose a couple of points I think people may overlook here:

1) Roger himself and many of his fans say in Montecarlo Federer was close to beat Nadal.

Well if you look at the scoreline it may very well be true but I never had other feeling different from Nadal being the better player there, he was leading a set and 5-3 in the 2nd and completely dominating the situation, hadnīt he played a very bad service game at 5-4 (including 2 df if my memory doesnīt fail me) that could very likely have been a straight sets win.

2) In Rome, Federer played as well as ever before on clay (throughout 5 sets), had the full crowd support and what is more important, conditions there were pretty much faster than Chatrierīs ones (anyone wanna bet if Roger can keep here a 76% points won on 1st serve?), found in front of him an average Nadal (specially in 1st set) and even though he had mpīs he failed to convert them and lost again.

My conclusion is:

I think it will be a close match for sure and of course every thing can happen, but I find funny Roger is considered a favourite here (look at the poll results).

Anyway. itīs even better this way as I love to see surprised faces :D

I'll love to see the excuses when Rafa bets Roger too.

And you're pretty right, in Monte-Carlo Rafa outplayed Federer but yeah, Federer is a computer who is understanding Nadal equation. He came to the conclusion in Monte Carlo of how to play him, delivered in Rome. :p (don't be rude with the guys)

The other players doesn't count. Nadal doesn't learn, Nalbandian neither for example. Yesterday Federer the computer was going to lose that match against Nalby but he had luck. For me it was strange you know, because if he had understood the equation of how to play Nalby then why he almost lost? I don't know, maybe some kind of virus infected his OS. (windows XP is pretty bad in this area)

You're right also on the Nadal playing average in Rome, cause that's absolutely true. But these biased guys cannot look at the two sides. Roger can play a bad match in Monte Carlo and he learned, but Nadal cannot learn or play bad games, nor can't he learn either.

J. Corwin
06-10-2006, 08:32 AM
I have a feeling Roger will get his revenge here.

deliveryman
06-10-2006, 08:37 AM
I just hope whoever wins on Sunday, that people don't try to discredit the person for their victory, whoever that might be.

rrfnpump
06-10-2006, 08:46 AM
I think and hope Roger can win it this time
good luck, Roger :hug:

propi
06-10-2006, 08:56 AM
Since Tommy isn't in the final, I wish Rafa won this, he would match the mighty Bruguera winning RG twice in a row :hearts:
But everything seems to be against him... Fed ability is dangerous enough but also Rafa has been more time on court, worse matches, Fed has had a very easy time so it will be utterly hard :help:
Vamos Rafa, it will be hard but not impossible

yanchr
06-10-2006, 09:06 AM
A few reasons why tomorrow's final will be vastly different from the previous grandslam finals Roger has won and why we can expect him to be very nervous.

1) For the first time Roger goes into a GS final as an underdog.
2) For the first time Roger has reached a RG final.
3) For the first time Roger has a chance to complete a career grandslam.
4) For the first time Roger has a chance to hold an non calender grandslam.
5) For the first time Roger has a chance to go to do the Aussie-French double. When was the last time a player managed to do this ?
6) For the first time Roger meets arch nemesis and world no.1 on clay in a GS final and on clay no less.

You just can't compare this final to the others. Federer has a lot to lose in this final. The stakes could not be higher. That is why nerves will be a big factor. I just hope he forgets all about that and focuses on the match, but judging by his post semi-final interview he's already putting a lot of pressure on himself. He says he's thinking about the implications of his victory tomorrow. What it will mean to him...to tennis. You can't go with that sort of attitude into a match like this. Gotta forget everything and just focus on each and every point. That's Rafa's attitude and that is why he always comes through.
I agree with you. Roger actually has everything to lose in this one match. I bet he will never feel more nervous going into a match. He knows better than anybody what this match means to him. Thus the pressure must be huge.

But on the other hand, I get a feeling Nadal is also very nervous, though the only thing he should worry about is to defend his title, unlike Roger. Nadal seems always handling pressure well which is reflected in his game, but I think this has sth to do with his low-risk game. He may well be more nervous than he looks and we think.

I have a strong feeling this time it will be Roger's turn to achieve sth he is doomed to.

Deivid23
06-10-2006, 09:17 AM
I'll love to see the excuses when Rafa bets Roger too.

And you're pretty right, in Monte-Carlo Rafa outplayed Federer but yeah, Federer is a computer who is understanding Nadal equation. He came to the conclusion in Monte Carlo of how to play him, delivered in Rome. :p (don't be rude with the guys)

The other players doesn't count. Nadal doesn't learn, Nalbandian neither for example. Yesterday Federer the computer was going to lose that match against Nalby but he had luck. For me it was strange you know, because if he had understood the equation of how to play Nalby then why he almost lost? I don't know, maybe some kind of virus infected his OS. (windows XP is pretty bad in this area)

You're right also on the Nadal playing average in Rome, cause that's absolutely true. But these biased guys cannot look at the two sides. Roger can play a bad match in Monte Carlo and he learned, but Nadal cannot learn or play bad games, nor can't he learn either.

I like your style, welcome to MTF :D

Deivid23
06-10-2006, 09:24 AM
I just hope whoever wins on Sunday, that people don't try to discredit the person for their victory, whoever that might be.

If Nadal wins Roger, that would be an impossible

bokehlicious
06-10-2006, 09:59 AM
If Nadal wins Roger, that would be an impossible

And the contrary will be ? :lol:

yanchr
06-10-2006, 10:03 AM
I like your style, welcome to MTF :D
You have a good company now. Congrats :yeah:

deliveryman
06-10-2006, 10:03 AM
Deivid... long time no speak. I love you with all my heart. :D

Deivid23
06-10-2006, 11:29 AM
Deivid... long time no speak. I love you with all my heart. :D

Iīll take that as a compliment, thanks

Deivid23
06-10-2006, 11:30 AM
You have a good company now. Congrats :yeah:

I prefer hysterical Fed fans company to be honest, you all are much funnier :D

Deivid23
06-10-2006, 11:33 AM
And the contrary will be ? :lol:

I would congratulate Roger if he wins tomorrow as Iīve done other times, you all will come bitching and giving excuses as always if Nadal does it, pure class :rolleyes:

jazz_girl
06-10-2006, 11:37 AM
I think Nadal's gonna win in 4, but I hope Roger wins.

stebs
06-10-2006, 11:56 AM
anyway, i would say nadal in 3 or 4....

Rafa's great and all but it's 174 matches since Roger lost in straights. Oh well, I guess when that streak ends it could well be Rafa to end it.

Also, to Allez saying Fed fans don't understand the poll I agree but not anything to do with Fed fans.

I think all sports fans when asked who they think will win will usually pick the team/player they're supporting, sure it may not be thinking with the head but that's the way it is, it's nothing to do with Fed fans particularly, you disagree?

stebs
06-10-2006, 12:00 PM
A few reasons why tomorrow's final will be vastly different from the previous grandslam finals Roger has won and why we can expect him to be very nervous.

1) For the first time Roger goes into a GS final as an underdog.
2) For the first time Roger has reached a RG final.
3) For the first time Roger has a chance to complete a career grandslam.
4) For the first time Roger has a chance to hold an non calender grandslam.
5) For the first time Roger has a chance to go to do the Aussie-French double. When was the last time a player managed to do this ?
6) For the first time Roger meets arch nemesis and world no.1 on clay in a GS final and on clay no less.

You just can't compare this final to the others. Federer has a lot to lose in this final. The stakes could not be higher. That is why nerves will be a big factor. I just hope he forgets all about that and focuses on the match, but judging by his post semi-final interview he's already putting a lot of pressure on himself. He says he's thinking about the implications of his victory tomorrow. What it will mean to him...to tennis. You can't go with that sort of attitude into a match like this. Gotta forget everything and just focus on each and every point. That's Rafa's attitude and that is why he always comes through.

I agree with points 2-6 but Roger being the underdog is a huge plus rather than a negative.

Yergeht Fladnag
06-10-2006, 12:08 PM
Fedex in 3, destroying that monkey Nadal. :devil:

tennisgal_001
06-10-2006, 12:45 PM
People deal with "pressure" in different ways, so it's kinda silly to say Roger or Rafa will be nervous coz they're under pressure... no one knows that but themselves.

Anyway, you guys crack me up when you say all the pressure is on Federer. Sure, if Roger wins he'd be the 1st to make it a GS in ages, he'd be considered the GOAT by many, he'd prove his better than poor ol' Petey (who's probably hoping Rafa kicks butt). But the truth is, on clay, we all know Nadal is the best (probably ever), and HE is the one who will be expected to perform well, regardless of whom he's up against. The difference between both cases is that if Roger loses, it wouldn't be a shock (because he can always win Wimby, USO, and AO again in a row--so those 3 aren't such a big deal for him), but it Nadal doesn't def. his title, it'll be a meltdown for many, since it's his only GS title, and he's a teenage titan. How they deal with the pressure is not the point. What matters most is who will be able to play it big when it matters most... pressure or no pressure. UFEs, winners, etc...... play the big points well and you win.

supersexynadal
06-10-2006, 05:22 PM
Tennis gal i just made ur point on federers forum about nadal having one GS only. Ironic!
Anyways, i'll be in tears if Nadal loses, for that reason. He was amost crying in his interview when he lot at wimby so i cant imagine how he'll feel if he loses this. I l LOVE roger but hes got wimbledon and 2 other GS's! Wimbledon is good enough. But i have to disagree on the pressre. I think theyre both under pressure BUT since the know the other is under presure it kind of takes awa the pressure a little. I dont know. Its a GS final so its pressure whether theyre playing each other or me!

JadexD
06-10-2006, 11:04 PM
This final is what a lot of people are looking forward to and this is very hard to call. I'm not a huge fan of either of them so no emotions will be involved. I voted for Nadal now that I think about it, I have a feeling that Roger may win this in 5. I think the past 2 loses to Nadal on clay makes Roger want it to go the other way. Federer does have more weapons/ variety and maybe he has the desire to win it more. He knows what winning Roland Garros means to his place in history. So at the end it's perhaps the battle of wills.
Whatever hypothesizing there is, we won't know the champ until tomorrow when everyone will explode in anger, or joy. :rolleyes:

Yappa
06-10-2006, 11:44 PM
Federer will win this, just for the simple reason that this time I wouldnt be too sad if Nadal defeated him due to the fact that Federer would still have a goal (apart from the GS and Olympia). The RG victory.

Metis
06-11-2006, 01:26 AM
Well this is really tough to call. I would expect 5 sets but it's hard to pick the winner of the 5th. I think Nadal might have a slight edge so I am going to say Nadal in 5 sets. And here is my prediction for the ...score:

5-7, 4-6, 6-2, 6-4, 9-7 :lol:


As for the discussion about keys and doors and locks, here is what Johnny Mac said (more or less) a few days ago on NBC:

Federer has the weapons to beat Nadal on clay but that doesn't mean he is going to do it...

In other words, if Roger has finally found the key (according to himself and many others) he will have to remember to bring it with him tomorrow in order to win. Of course there is also the possibility that Rafa will have the lock changed by then. :D

Fedex
06-11-2006, 01:55 AM
I don't know if you're informed Rafa actually beated Roger in Rome. :r
What the fuck is your problem, douche? All she said, was that Federer has the tools to beat Nadal, and that is certainly true. No one said that Federer won that match, but he can beat him.

Fedex
06-11-2006, 01:59 AM
[U]

One question: how many titles had won Mr. Roger Federer as a teenager? Numbers can't be manipulated.
Who cares how many titles Roger won as a teenager. It seems irrelevant to me, considering when its all said and done, Federer will have more slam titles than anyone in history.

Fedex
06-11-2006, 02:03 AM
rafa in 3...

based on

1. federer 1st set performance in the SF (i went out for lunch so i missed the 2nd and 3rd set... so maybe i m wrong, that his roger was playing great in those set... but his 1st set was...... pretty bad... )

2. nadal's match in the SF

3. their h2h on clay
You can think Nadal's going to win the match, and I'm ok with that. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but 3 sets? Tell me now, when's the last time Federer lost in 3 sets? The fact that Federer is 7-0 in GS Finals, and has only lost 3 sets in the process, just makes that even more laughable.

Jimnik
06-11-2006, 02:43 AM
Btw, what does everyone think about the 3pm start? This match could go on for five hours, or maybe more, and what if there are rain delays? The match could have to finish on Monday.

Art&Soul
06-11-2006, 02:53 AM
The Beauty should win over the beast on Sunday :) Hopp ROGER :bounce: win this damn title and complete the ROGER SLAM this year :banana: :banana: :banana:

Metis
06-11-2006, 03:26 AM
Btw, what does everyone think about the 3pm start? This match could go on for five hours, or maybe more, and what if there are rain delays? The match could have to finish on Monday.


I don't think there are any fears for rain delays. According to the weather forecast it will be sunny and the temperature up to 30C (!) by the time they start. The poor guys are going to melt in the heat... I wouldn't want to sit under the sun to watch that match let alone play for so many hours!
So the problem is probably going to be heat exhaustion. :(

Freeze17171
06-11-2006, 03:30 AM
All of you predicting Rafa in 3 sets, you do know that Roger hasn't lost in straight sets (best of 3 or 5 setter) since losing to Guga here 2 years ago right?

Art&Soul
06-11-2006, 03:50 AM
All of you predicting Rafa in 3 sets, you do know that Roger hasn't lost in straight sets (best of 3 or 5 setter) since losing to Guga here 2 years ago right?

Only 14 out of 236 in this poll, not all :) Don't you look the poll before posting that? :D

gsm
06-11-2006, 05:06 AM
cmon rog, bury him in straights.

Allez
06-11-2006, 05:52 AM
Rafa's great and all but it's 174 matches since Roger lost in straights. Oh well, I guess when that streak ends it could well be Rafa to end it.

Also, to Allez saying Fed fans don't understand the poll I agree but not anything to do with Fed fans.

I think all sports fans when asked who they think will win will usually pick the team/player they're supporting, sure it may not be thinking with the head but that's the way it is, it's nothing to do with Fed fans particularly, you disagree?
I do not disagree. You're right. Happens across all sports and Fed fans aren't the only ones voting for him in this poll. :D

Doctor Dance
06-11-2006, 05:57 AM
Federer not in the same class on clay than Nadal and Nadal will win this match. It is only because Federer is probably the most complete player ever that he can provide a contest for Nadal.

~EMiLiTA~
06-11-2006, 06:09 AM
rafa in 4 (or 5)

jenanun
06-11-2006, 07:59 AM
All of you predicting Rafa in 3 sets, you do know that Roger hasn't lost in straight sets (best of 3 or 5 setter) since losing to Guga here 2 years ago right?

and for those who predicting roger to win... 3 sets, 4 sets or 5 sets

do you know rafa has NEVER LOST a best of 5 set match on CLAY????

deliveryman
06-11-2006, 08:03 AM
and for those who predicting roger to win... 3 sets, 4 sets or 5 sets

do you know rafa has NEVER LOST a best of 5 set match on CLAY????

He came awfully close a couple weeks ago.

jenanun
06-11-2006, 08:06 AM
He came awfully close a couple weeks ago.

yes i know....i m just replying Freeze17171....

and btw, roger was close losing to nadal in straight sets in miami as well, on a hard court.....

Chocobo
06-11-2006, 08:08 AM
and for those who predicting roger to win... 3 sets, 4 sets or 5 sets

do you know rafa has NEVER LOST a best of 5 set match on CLAY????

Yes, we know, and he has never lost a match in RG. But it has to begin at some point, and this point has arrived.

Allez Roger :worship:

jenanun
06-11-2006, 08:11 AM
Yes, we know, and he has never lost a match in RG. But it has to begin at some point, and this point has arrived.

Allez Roger :worship:

or.... the ponit of:

roger lost in a GS final

AND

roger lost in straight sets

has arrived, TODAY!

Vamos Rafa! :worship:

bavaria100
06-11-2006, 09:04 AM
I hope that Roger wins today, but I have the feeling that Nadal will be the winner. I still remember last year's semifinal, in which Federer was very nervous and couldn't hit a decent forehand to save his life. This time Roger will go for the Grand Slam and I think that he'll be even more nervous than last year. Nadal won't feel as much pressure as Roger and that's why I think that Nadal will make it.

stebs
06-11-2006, 11:26 AM
yes i know....i m just replying Freeze17171....

and btw, roger was close losing to nadal in straight sets in miami as well, on a hard court.....
Roger was close to losing to rafa in Miami, Rafa was close to losing to Roger in Dubai and Rome etc, etc...

It doesn't really matter. It's all about what happens in two hours time.

FerrerAndNadal
06-04-2011, 04:47 PM
Stepanek

abraxas21
06-04-2011, 05:02 PM
cant believe over 50% went for federer here

buzz
06-04-2011, 05:09 PM
Federer was pretty much a tennis god in 2006, everything seemed possible. I believe I thought he would win that year

abraxas21
06-04-2011, 05:18 PM
yeah but even at that time nadal was better than federer on clay

Sapeod
06-04-2011, 05:21 PM
and for those who predicting roger to win... 3 sets, 4 sets or 5 sets

do you know rafa has NEVER LOST a best of 5 set match on CLAY????
I think Soderling will say otherwise :)

bright
06-04-2011, 05:22 PM
This final is of no importance.:zzz:

Roger has already won the hearts of every single tennis fan in the world.:hearts:

buzz
06-04-2011, 05:24 PM
Probably, but then you would think federer would be mentally really strong in the final and play amazing. The man never lost a grandslam final up to then. He did some other unexpected things in gsfinals like bageling hewitt twice in an USO final.

Orka_n
06-04-2011, 08:38 PM
cant believe over 50% went for federer hereMTF votes with the heart. :worship:

Crazy Girl
06-04-2011, 08:47 PM
Nadal, sadly,
to beat Rafito needs Nole, nowadays....
true Rafa????????

MalwareDie
06-04-2011, 08:53 PM
lol at your signature.

tests
06-04-2011, 09:42 PM
That fed has an actual chance against nadal in the finals?

I feel like this match is more lop-sided than the lakers of the early 2000s sweeping their finals compeititons

Sonja1989
06-04-2011, 09:56 PM
Of course he has chance.

TennisOnWood
06-04-2011, 10:20 PM
And why not normal thread name?

NadalPhan
06-05-2011, 12:55 AM
Honestly, I don't feel like anybody in today's field stand a chance against a B+/A- Nadal in RG. And that includes the red hot Djokovic before he lost to Federer.

Topspindoctor
06-05-2011, 01:01 AM
Honestly, I don't feel like anybody in today's field stand a chance against a B+/A- Nadal in RG. And that includes the red hot Djokovic before he lost to Federer.

Djokovic had a chance.

Matchups.

Olderer had a shitty one hander, Djokovic has best 2hander.

hipolymer
06-05-2011, 01:02 AM
He'll have to serve even better than he did against Nole to stand a chance.

NadalPhan
06-05-2011, 01:26 AM
Djokovic had a chance.

Matchups.

Olderer had a shitty one hander, Djokovic has best 2hander.

Nadal comfortably beat Novak in the US open (his worst surface), there's NO chance he would lose to Djokovic in his best surface with an A- game. He has proven Novak can't play with him at RG 3 times before, and would have proven it again had Novak succeed against Federer.

He's also 5-0 against Novak in slams. Novak needs to prove he can actually beat Nadal when it counts the most.

Mountaindewslave
06-05-2011, 01:41 AM
regularly NO, but since Nadal is not QUITE at the same level as in the past and Federer seems to be doing fairly well and may be confident after defeating Djokovic i would say it's certainly possible.... now possibility is much different from what often happens.............. personally i think Federer might make it a close one but obviously more fingers point in the direction of Nadal taking it without too much trouble

jenanun
06-05-2011, 01:45 AM
a set or two maybe

Three... nah...

ballbasher101
06-05-2011, 01:48 AM
That fed has an actual chance against nadal in the finals?

I feel like this match is more lop-sided than the lakers of the early 2000s sweeping their finals compeititons

Federer has as much as me dating Laura Linney :lol:. Federer does have a chance if Nadal plays right-handed but I don't think that is going to happen. On to the grass we go :yippee:. Oh dear I forgot, it is green clay these days :sadface:ys.

tests
06-05-2011, 01:49 AM
how do you think this will affect fed? (once nadal beats him)? If i was in feds position, mentally i wont be affected. You are supposed to lose to nadal on clay, so why let it affect you mentally, right?

ballbasher101
06-05-2011, 02:05 AM
how do you think this will affect fed? (once nadal beats him)? If i was in feds position, mentally i wont be affected. You are supposed to lose to nadal on clay, so why let it affect you mentally, right?

Federer's mind is thinking that maybe 16 majors will not be enough In my view. Nadal broke Federer mentally a long time ago. Federer knows he is not going to win. He is more confident about Wimbledon though because he is serving well but he needs the likes of Isner to take out Nadal, because he knows he can't do it even on grass. The French crowd are not very fond of Nadal and I think he enjoys sticking it to them by winning.

andylovesaustin
06-05-2011, 02:08 AM
Of course Roger has a chance.

I rooting for Rafito... but for cryin' outloud to say Rogelio doesn't stand a chance... oh please.

Rogelio definitely has a chance... nuff said.

abraxas21
06-05-2011, 02:10 AM
djokovic had it

olderer does not

andylovesaustin
06-05-2011, 02:18 AM
djokovic had it

olderer does not

You know... if it were a 29 year-old Rafito, I might agree with the "olderer" label, mainly based on Rafa's style of play.

But Roger.. first... isn't he still only 29 years old? That's only 4 years older than Rafa. And Roger's game is simply not as "draining" physically as Rafa's.

The biggest problem with Roger v Rafa.. is the matchup, not age. Dang Roger just beat 24 year old Nole :hysteric:. Roger has beaten many players much younger than he. It's not an age issue at all.

tests
06-05-2011, 02:29 AM
Federer's mind is thinking that maybe 16 majors will not be enough In my view. Nadal broke Federer mentally a long time ago. Federer knows he is not going to win. He is more confident about Wimbledon though because he is serving well but he needs the likes of Isner to take out Nadal, because he knows he can't do it even on grass. The French crowd are not very fond of Nadal and I think he enjoys sticking it to them by winning.

yea. 16 slams probably won't be enough. Knowing nadal, once he wins the roland garros slam this weekend, wimby is ALMOST a given, especially if federers in the final. Than anything can happen at the USO (who knows what type of draw nadal will get).

Potro, where you at!

andylovesaustin
06-05-2011, 02:33 AM
yea. 16 slams probably won't be enough. Knowing nadal, once he wins the roland garros slam this weekend, wimby is ALMOST a given, especially if federers in the final. Than anything can happen at the USO (who knows what type of draw nadal will get).

Potro, where you at!

DelPo!:sad:

Injuries suck. I'm pulling for him... C'mon Pony-Boy!

hipolymer
06-05-2011, 02:35 AM
Olderer is just a term Fedtards use as an excuse for him not having a slam in a year.

andylovesaustin
06-05-2011, 02:41 AM
Olderer is just a term Fedtards use as an excuse for him not having a slam in a year.

Bwah! :rolls:

Seriously, point well made.

Roger is pretty damn impressive, and I'm not even one of his fans.... just as a tennis celebrity, so to speak.

I can understand people not "liking" him, but not to respect him as a player... uhh........... I don't get it.

Crazy Girl
06-05-2011, 01:50 PM
lol at your signature.many thanks!!! and always com'on ROGER!!!!!