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Bernard Tomic - A bright prospect?

rofe
06-08-2006, 12:02 AM
A lot of companies seem to think so.

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,19395242-23216,00.html

Anyone know more about his playing style? Does he seem like the real deal or is he over-hyped?

El Legenda
06-08-2006, 12:06 AM
Tomic? ummm could this kids parents or grandparents be Croatian or Serbian?

*Viva Chile*
06-08-2006, 12:14 AM
I hope aussies don't want to create an australian version of Donald Young :angel:

domci
06-08-2006, 12:20 AM
Yes, he is a Croat and definitely one big talent. :) :sad:

The Tomic family came to Australia in 1996. John has been driving a cab. He had an import-export business in Croatia. His wife, Adi, is studying biomedical science.
"We left Croatia because of the war and spent some time in Germany, but we had some family here, so we decided to move here," John said. "It is the place where Bernard can make it happen."

*Viva Chile*
06-08-2006, 12:33 AM
:topic: Is Tomic one of the most common surnames in Croatia?? I think this because is the most common balcanic surname in Chile :p

Johnny Groove
06-08-2006, 12:36 AM
I hope aussies don't want to create an australian version of Donald Young :angel:

:lol: :haha: he is already sponsored by IMG :smash: :banghead:

randomtennis
06-08-2006, 05:19 AM
This kid is not over hyped. He was in my academy about 3 years ago. I coached him a couple of times.. he is the real deal very talented, but you can say that alot about some players that come out of Australia. But unless he moves to Europe to get the match practice that you cant get in Australia then he will never reach his full potential. He will be one to watch in about 4 years. His father is Yugosl and very strick. Additionally, it shows that the kid really wants to win every match he plays, cause he is very tight on his line calls... lol. if you know what i mean!

FSRteam
06-08-2006, 11:12 AM
Have a look at his website:

http://www.bernardtomic21.info/latest.htm

The results page is quite amazing:

http://www.bernardtomic21.info/results.htm

He'll probably be a top 10 player one day! :)

Xristos
06-08-2006, 11:20 AM
I can take him.

Experimentee
06-08-2006, 03:22 PM
I've heard of him winning a few U18 tournaments when he was 13.
But its too hard to say if he'll be good when hes only 13. It puts too much pressure, and no 13 year old is worth big sponsorship deals as its too unpredictable.

sammy2
06-08-2006, 09:36 PM
The Australian press are desperate for another top player and every time a junior or a young player shows promise they go overboard. Tomic is a big talent now and I hope he does well. I also hope the press give him a break.
For everyone who is not australian please remember that 40% of Aussies have a parent or grandparent born overseas. We have a huge cultural mix, and many many different last names.

Matchu
01-01-2007, 11:22 AM
Just curious to see how many people have heard of this junior espically people outside of Australia.

This 14 year old has been billed as the next Lleyton Hewitt he burst onto the big scene when he won the junior orange bowl 12/u and became the world no.1 for under 12s, since then he began his itf tournaments in 2006 and won his first four in a row under 18 tournaments and is currently the under 14s world number one and has recently won the under 14s junior orange bowl and made his junior davis cup debut this year. I am expecting big things from this kid as he is from the same ciy as me the Gold Coast i went in the same tournament as him a couple of years back where he won the final 6-0 6-0.

Matchu
01-01-2007, 10:50 PM
No ones heard of him not even Australians?

Hrastar
01-01-2007, 11:55 PM
An article I came across today:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/tennis/teen-ace-tomic-has-sights-set-on-the-top/2006/12/30/1166895525180.html

:wavey:

Andre♥
01-01-2007, 11:57 PM
I have two words for you:

Carlos Boluda

I have seen him play and with 14 years old he plays better than some pro's.

gusman890
01-01-2007, 11:57 PM
i suspect a burnout by 18

RickDaStick
01-02-2007, 01:03 AM
He is Croatian at heart :)

KaxMisha
01-02-2007, 01:10 AM
One-hander ot two-hander?

KaxMisha
01-02-2007, 02:08 AM
Come on people! No one knows? It's a simple question: does the kid use a two-handed or a one-handed backhand?

Fee
01-02-2007, 03:37 AM
Can we let these kids grow some pubic hairs before we start declaring them all the saviors of tennis? Corporate offices all over the world are filled with former junior tennis stars who never made the transition to college or tour level tennis. Let Tomic and the other develop in peace... (I suppose that is hard to do with nike throwing money at him like sailors on shore leave in a redlight district).

Matchu
01-02-2007, 03:41 AM
Come on people! No one knows? It's a simple question: does the kid use a two-handed or a one-handed backhand?

He's a Double Handed backhand. you can find his info on his official website http://www.bernardtomic21.info

KaxMisha
01-02-2007, 03:45 AM
He's a Double Handed backhand. you can find his info on his official website http://www.bernardtomic21.info

Damn!

Matchu
01-02-2007, 03:47 AM
He is Croatian at heart :)

He's of Croatian descent his mum and dad are Croatian I beleive but he was born in Germany but represents Australia.

Matchu
01-02-2007, 04:02 AM
i suspect a burnout by 18

Theres something different about this kid i dont know what it is but he's got something extra.

Matchu
01-02-2007, 08:23 AM
Damn!

were you hoping for another federer?

bad gambler
01-02-2007, 08:24 AM
He is good, but I hope he doesn't start believing his own hype just yet

Alvarillo
01-02-2007, 11:31 AM
I have two words for you:

Carlos Boluda

I have seen him play and with 14 years old he plays better than some pro's.

Carlosss :worship: :devil:

*Ljubica*
01-02-2007, 11:44 AM
There was an article about Tomic in last month's "Ace" (British Tennis Magazne) as part of their feature on Australian Tennis in the run-up to the Australian Open. I had never heard of him til that point and obviously never seen him play. Seems very young for people to make such great predictions but good luck to him.

jazar
01-02-2007, 11:59 AM
yes he is a talented player, but at 14 he is still young. he may burn out, he may not be up to the challenge of professional tennis physically. give him a couple more years to mature and then judge him

Jimnik
01-02-2007, 12:20 PM
Yes, we know.

http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=78440&highlight=Tomic
http://www.menstennisforums.com/showthread.php?t=75965&page=5&highlight=Tomic

KaxMisha
01-02-2007, 01:30 PM
were you hoping for another federer?

Yeah, I guess. Seeing as he talked about Federer's ground strokes in the article, I got my hopes up.

Jadranka
01-02-2007, 03:27 PM
He is Croatian at heart :)

Sure he is :angel:

Magical Trevor
01-03-2007, 12:56 AM
I've heard a fair bit about him.

I know a lot of people who have seen or played him. He's by far the most promising junior we have, I think he's number 1 for his age group and plays the 18's at nationals.

But really it's almost impossible to tell how he'll go just yet. People mature/grow at such different rates during their youth. Maybe he doesn't improve that much more. It's happened to a lot of good kids.

Johnny Groove
01-03-2007, 01:13 AM
i dont like him :p

Nathaliia
05-06-2008, 10:48 PM
Apparently I've heard the kid keeps slicing.

Today he lost his challenger debut, to Jaroslav Pospisil in Rijeka. It was for sure a big deal for such a young person, but Pospisil didn't have a "day off" like Cuevas against Harrison ;).

finishingmove
05-06-2008, 11:25 PM
tomic will definitely be big in a few years. slam winner in sight

octatennis
05-07-2008, 12:06 AM
burn out... do you remenber a guy that is called nicolas pereira??? he won everything in juniors but did not get the same succes as a profesional.:cool::cool:

RagingLamb
05-07-2008, 12:21 AM
i like his taste in cars:

http://www.bernardtomic21.info/gallery/images/IMG_0565.jpg

Forehander
05-07-2008, 01:02 AM
haha go "Tombitch". He is pretty good indeed. But not as good as me though! heheh

Byrd
05-07-2008, 01:27 AM
Nice video of Boluda, he hits his forehand very good, and tends to favour it over his backhand. He slides pretty good on the dirt as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxmRUhUdXDs

petar_pan
09-30-2009, 06:49 PM
i am sure he will be.
discuss...

out_here_grindin
09-30-2009, 06:51 PM
The simple answer is, no

He has about as godd a chance as Dimitrov.

oranges
09-30-2009, 06:52 PM
New Young seems more likely ;)

Certinfy
09-30-2009, 06:55 PM
Devin Britton tbh.

petar_pan
09-30-2009, 06:57 PM
why are you so negative? i mean guy is the best prospect in men's tennis, he is just 16 and has australian open and us open, also wimbledon's semis 2 times, rg quaters. he has one challanger (3. youngiest of all time) and he is the youngiest winner of a single match in australian's open men main draw and in qualies. that is golden boy.

born_on_clay
09-30-2009, 07:09 PM
He can, but he won't

JoshDragon
09-30-2009, 07:13 PM
New Young seems more likely ;)

I doubt that will happen. Tomic has already won a match at the pro level and he's 16 years old. Young was 18, by the time he had won his first match.

out_here_grindin
09-30-2009, 07:17 PM
The younger and younger you accomplish soemthing dosen't always equate greatness. It just may be a peak at too young of an age.

petar_pan
09-30-2009, 07:51 PM
The younger and younger you accomplish soemthing dosen't always equate greatness. It just may be a peak at too young of an age.

i am not the kid, i know all the things and i think he will be the best for couple of years.

oranges
09-30-2009, 08:07 PM
Where does this obsession to label youngsters as GOATS or whatever come from? Has it done anyone any good ever? Those things are impossible to predict for so many reasons and for every talented one that does very well in the pros, there's ten who don't. So once again, what's the point of creating enormous expectations before they've properly started their pro career? Add more pressure? Beats me.

Ad Wim
09-30-2009, 09:52 PM
Well said. It's nice to follow this youngsters but it's ridiculous to lable them as feature top 10 players already. So many guys don't even come close.

It all started with Dimitrov, this ridiculous overestimating.

n8
10-01-2009, 12:40 AM
He is 6'4" and is already taller than virtually all top players. He's got a big serve but also excellent flat groundstrokes. He's proven himself in tight moments and has already won two junior Grand Slams, a Challenger and a main draw Australian Open match all before his 17th birthday.

All this seems extremely promising to me. But the last thing I would want to go is make big claims on what he will achieve. His dad, John, recently said that his son is capable of winning 10 to 15 Slams. Nice that he's confident, but maybe John should worry about Tomic winning his first ATP match first (Grand Slams are not ATP)...

I'm a huge fan. Can't help it when he shares my nationality and birth date (I'm exactly 8 years older) and is the youngest player in the top 500.

FairWeatherFan
10-01-2009, 12:47 AM
i am sure he will be.
discuss...

Lol. The only reason you like him is because you think he's a Croat.

Will be a good player, hard to predict just how successful though.

His father is the reincarnation of Damir Dokic.

petar_pan
10-01-2009, 12:53 AM
Well said. It's nice to follow this youngsters but it's ridiculous to lable them as feature top 10 players already. So many guys don't even come close.

It all started with Dimitrov, this ridiculous overestimating.

ivanisevic, ljubicic, ancic, cilic, djokovic.
all of them ex-yu and all of them was top in juniors and was/is top players in seniors. only tipsarevic didn't do it.
tomic is also from ex-yu. he is tall guy, has croatian dinarid origin (all of that croats are 190 or more) and has that desire to make his dreams (there was/is the onliest way to make the money for theirs lifes).
and he has more talent than any of them and has more achievments in juniors and also in seniors for his ages so far.
you will see, he will be number 1 and other guy, filip krajinovic (he is also tall), will be top 10.
it's interesting that djokovic's mother is croat too and has dinarid origin.
aboout 80 % or more croatian good/great athlets has that dinarid origin.
and mainly serbians athlets too, like ana ivanovic and jelena jankovic.

DJ Soup
10-01-2009, 03:06 AM
There's no denying he looks promising. More than Dimitrov

Audacity
10-01-2009, 04:31 AM
What has he done on the mens tour since January/February?

serveandvolley80
10-01-2009, 04:38 AM
One thing is for sure, he accomplished a lot for a 17 year old, surely more positive signs then negative that he will probably be a top ten player at the worst.

How many 17 year olds this day and age make it to the second round of a major? Already a pretty high ranking for a kid and is showing more promise at this age then maybe hyped players who are turning 20 or 21 and have not done anything significant yet.

Does not mean hes going to be the next best thing but a good chance to be a top 20 or 10 player in the world within the next 3 or 4 years.

duong
10-01-2009, 06:17 AM
What has he done on the mens tour since January/February?

he won one challenger (+us open junior 2009) -actually he has had more ATP points than Dimitrov (in the Race) this year whereas one year and a half younger :rolleyes:

decided not to play futures, maybe to protest against the ITF's suspension decision ?

but anyway, he played very few adults' tournaments, I guess he and his dad prefer practicing :shrug:

oranges
10-01-2009, 08:19 AM
ivanisevic, ljubicic, ancic, cilic, djokovic.
all of them ex-yu and all of them was top in juniors and was/is top players in seniors. only tipsarevic didn't do it.


You make it sound like all good juniors make it. Orešar was probably the best junior to come from ex-Yu, I wonder how many here know him at all. Look at the list of junior GS champs over the years and tell me how many made it in pros.

duong
10-01-2009, 08:32 AM
You make it sound like all good juniors make it. Orešar was probably the best junior to come from ex-Yu, I wonder how many here know him at all. Look at the list of junior GS champs over the years and tell me how many made it in pros.

because "junior slam champions" is not a sign to use as isolated.

It also depends how old they are when they win these grand slams.

Most of the best juniors don't play in juniors competitions when they are 18. They stop at 17, if not 16.

Then you have juniors who manage to win when they are 18 ... but they avoid the best players of their generation.

Secondly it depends which generation. For instance 1989-1991 generation appear to be quite poor so far.

Thirdly there are many players who nearly don't take part in juniors competitions, like Del Potro or Berdych... Yet, it had been clear for a very long time that Del Potro was the best player of the 1988 generation.

Juniors competitions are not enough, you can also look at players who perform at a very young age in futures or challengers.

Of course the "hype" usually doesn't care about such precise points. They say "grand slam junior champs" or junior number 1".

Finally, of course how you perform at a young age gives nothing certain for how you perform at an older age.

Yet, it's a very good sign : if you are not among the best players when you are very young, there's little chance you will be a great player.

CooCooCachoo
10-01-2009, 08:35 AM
It is way too early to say. He is way too rough around the edges, and lacks a lot of power. He had a very healthy attitude when I saw him in Wimbledon qualies, though.

oranges
10-01-2009, 08:48 AM
Yet, it's a very good sign : if you are not among the best players when you are very young, there's little chance you will be a great player.

That's about it when it comes to what's reasonably possible to predict :lol: The rest of your arguments basically boil down to what I've said - it's impossible to predict for countless reasons. It's like predicting weather a couple years in advance.

duong
10-01-2009, 10:13 AM
The rest of your arguments basically boil down to what I've said - it's impossible to predict for countless reasons.

yes, I see : as usually, I speak too much and too complicated then am not understood (I wanted to say that you have to look at other aspects than "grand slam junior champion" but of course the binary message "who's right, who's wrong" is what remains :sad: )

Stupid me :smash:

JolánGagó
10-01-2009, 10:19 AM
yes, I see : as usually, I speak too much and too complicated then am not understood (I wanted to say that you have to look at other aspects than "grand slam junior champion" but of course the binary message "who's right, who's wrong" is what remains :sad: )

Stupid me :smash:

Oh yes, way too much for what's actually said.

oranges
10-01-2009, 10:25 AM
yes, I see : as usually, I speak too much and too complicated then am not understood (I wanted to say that you have to look at other aspects than "grand slam junior champion" but of course the binary message "who's right, who's wrong" is what remains :sad: )

Stupid me :smash:

Well, if you can get out of the binary and tell me what is it exactly that makes some succeed and other not, I'd be happy to read and be enlightened. For instance, what was it that stopped the earlier mentioned Orešar from translating those multiple Orange Bowls to something equally worthwhile on pro circuit and what is it that made Cilic adapt very quickly. Mind you, this is in retrospect, so it should be far easier, yet I'm still interested where was it supposedly seen in advance. Whatever it is, I'm sure Tomić than has it but Young doesn't. Stupid me :smash:

Action Jackson
10-01-2009, 10:31 AM
There is a lot of hype on him, not sure whether he is going to deliver on it, at the same time I don't expect him to be a massive flop like Young or Tommy Ho.

petar_pan
10-01-2009, 10:44 AM
One thing is for sure, he accomplished a lot for a 17 year old, surely more positive signs then negative that he will probably be a top ten player at the worst.

How many 17 year olds this day and age make it to the second round of a major? Already a pretty high ranking for a kid and is showing more promise at this age then maybe hyped players who are turning 20 or 21 and have not done anything significant yet.

Does not mean hes going to be the next best thing but a good chance to be a top 20 or 10 player in the world within the next 3 or 4 years.

he is 16.

petar_pan
10-01-2009, 10:55 AM
and one more thing about athlets from this part of balkan peninsula. the best croatian football players are born in western europe (or they are there from young ages) or australia. they took work habits and they have more mentality like people in those countries.that is the best combination, believe me. for that reason they are better. also they have better conditions for develope.

petar_pan
10-01-2009, 11:03 AM
You make it sound like all good juniors make it. Orešar was probably the best junior to come from ex-Yu, I wonder how many here know him at all. Look at the list of junior GS champs over the years and tell me how many made it in pros.

he hasn't dinarid origin and he is't 190 or more.

oranges
10-01-2009, 11:04 AM
he hasn't dinarid origin and he is't 190 or more.

Neither are a lot of other guys :rolleyes:

petar_pan
10-01-2009, 11:10 AM
and one more thing about athlets from this part of balkan peninsula. the best croatian football players are born in western europe (or they are there from young ages). they took work habits and they have more mentality like people in those countries.that is the best combination, believe me. for that reason they are better. also they have better conditions for develope.


maybe my stattments looks weird (for foreigns) but that is so true.

Brick Top
10-01-2009, 11:12 AM
he hasn't dinarid origin and he is't 190 or more.
when you say Dinarid,do you mean only about players who have origins in settlements and towns on and near mountain Dinara or you maybe think about Dinaric Alps a mountain chain across Ex-Yu which includes more high mountaints

petar_pan
10-01-2009, 11:14 AM
when you say Dinarid,do you mean only about players who have origins in settlements and towns on and near mountain Dinara or you maybe think about Dinaric Alps a mountain chain across Ex-Yu which includes more high mountaints

i mean bosnia and herzegovina, montenegro, dalmatia and lika.
yes, dinarid alps, but without serbia and macedonia (if macedonia is in that chain).
they also have talent but less.
that chain starting in bulgaria, if i am right?

Brick Top
10-01-2009, 11:17 AM
i mean bosnia and herzegovina, montenegro, dalmatia and lika.
i ment the same cuz i have the same origins

petar_pan
10-01-2009, 11:26 AM
also, djokovic grandfather is from montenegro.

petar_pan
10-01-2009, 11:31 AM
i ment the same cuz i have the same origins

yes, that is true.

P S. sorry for big off topic.

fast_clay
10-01-2009, 01:01 PM
hahaahhahaha... tommy ho... the hype... man, didnt that bus crash and burn...

CmonAussie
10-01-2009, 01:17 PM
....
~~~
wasn`t Gael Monfils supposed to be the GOAT by now, what has he done-- 2 MM titles & a Top-15 ranking.. i guess Bernard could be the Aussie Monfils;_; which would be quite successful, but not exactly living up to the hype. >> the only player who has truly lived up to the hype in recent years is prob Nadal, people expected a lot from him at age 16, and he`s pretty much delivered on expectations.!!

fco253
10-01-2009, 01:28 PM
The last 3 players who "made" it, Djokovic, Murray, Del Potro, had kind of similar paths of Rankings progression (Murray a bit slower at first then caught up)
At 17th birthday, Delpo 210, Djoko 340 and Murray 540.
At 18th birthday, Delpo 100, Djoko 150 and Murray 360.
At 19th birthday, Delpo 50, Djoko 60 and Murray 45.
At 20th birthday, Delpo 10, Djoko 6 and Murray 10.

Tomic is about to get 17, and he is around 300, but he hasn't played full schedules yet.
Let's see where he is 12 months from now.

Audacity
10-01-2009, 01:31 PM
he is 16.

He's 17 in 3 weeks. Don't be pedantic.

petar_pan
10-01-2009, 01:42 PM
He's 17 in 3 weeks. Don't be pedantic.

yes, but guy said he won his maiden single grand slam match at the age of 17. that is not true, because he was 16 at that time.
maybe he thought because he was born in 1992. but at that time he was 9 months far away from his 17. birthday.

duong
10-01-2009, 01:54 PM
The last 3 players who "made" it, Djokovic, Murray, Del Potro, had kind of similar paths of Rankings progression (Murray a bit slower at first then caught up)
At 17th birthday, Delpo 210, Djoko 340 and Murray 540.
At 18th birthday, Delpo 100, Djoko 150 and Murray 360.
At 19th birthday, Delpo 50, Djoko 60 and Murray 45.
At 20th birthday, Delpo 10, Djoko 6 and Murray 10.


As you can see all of those 3 nearly didn't play in juniors.

I'm very surprised to read that Monfils was supposed to be the new GOAT :haha:

In the same generation, Nadal and Gasquet have always received 10 times the hype that Monfils has received.

Action Jackson
10-01-2009, 01:54 PM
Man so much bullshit in here.

out_here_grindin
10-01-2009, 01:55 PM
As you can see all of those 3 nearly didn't play in juniors.

I'm very surprised to read that Monfils was supposed to be the new GOAT :haha:

In the same generation, Nadal and Gasquet have always received 10 times the hype that Monfils has received.

Didn't Monfils win 3 of the junior grand slams?

Action Jackson
10-01-2009, 01:57 PM
Didn't Monfils win 3 of the junior grand slams?

Yes, he lost to Troicki at the US Open.

duong
10-01-2009, 02:14 PM
Didn't Monfils win 3 of the junior grand slams?

yes but at that age, Nadal and Gasquet were so much better :shrug:

I precisely said that juniors' tournaments are not the epitome, whereas yes, many think they are and make some hype about these results in junior grand slams :shrug:

And also I said that winning junior grand slams when you're 18 is not as representative as when you're 16 or 17 : Gasquet won junior grand slams 2 years before Monfils (at 16, not 18) whereas they just have 2 months difference !

And I don't speak about Nadal who didn't care about junior grand slams : he was already playing with the adults and beating Ancic in Wimbledon at 17 ! (17 years and 0 month for those who consider that 17 years and 11 months is being 17 years old)

Nadal, Gasquet and Monfils are exactly the same generation. Nadal was finalist in Miami when Monfils did win junior grand slams !

Raquel
10-06-2009, 10:30 PM
I read quite a bit about this "feud" with Lleyton Hewitt today. Lleyton's not good enough to practice with? Hmmm, get the feeling some of this has grown arms and legs in the media, but still, it's probably not a good thing being in one of these public back and forths with Lleyton and his camp. It looks like his dad was involved. He doesn't want to get on the wrong side of the Federation this early in his career thanks to his group - which is sort of what happened with Dokic too.

Pea
10-06-2009, 10:48 PM
Bright prospect, future prick.

n8
10-06-2009, 11:36 PM
yes but at that age, Nadal and Gasquet were so much better :shrug:

I precisely said that juniors' tournaments are not the epitome, whereas yes, many think they are and make some hype about these results in junior grand slams :shrug:

And also I said that winning junior grand slams when you're 18 is not as representative as when you're 16 or 17 : Gasquet won junior grand slams 2 years before Monfils (at 16, not 18) whereas they just have 2 months difference !

And I don't speak about Nadal who didn't care about junior grand slams : he was already playing with the adults and beating Ancic in Wimbledon at 17 ! (17 years and 0 month for those who consider that 17 years and 11 months is being 17 years old)

Nadal, Gasquet and Monfils are exactly the same generation. Nadal was finalist in Miami when Monfils did win junior grand slams !

Monfils won his junior grand slams in '04. Nadal reached the final of Miami in '05. But your point is still true; winning junior grand slams at 18 years old does not generate that much hype (nor should it). When Chardy won wimbledon boys' at 18 it wasn't that big of deal. If Nadal had played juniors in '04 (as permitted), he probably would have won them all (barring injuries).

I read quite a bit about this "feud" with Lleyton Hewitt today. Lleyton's not good enough to practice with? Hmmm, get the feeling some of this has grown arms and legs in the media, but still, it's probably not a good thing being in one of these public back and forths with Lleyton and his camp. It looks like his dad was involved. He doesn't want to get on the wrong side of the Federation this early in his career thanks to his group - which is sort of what happened with Dokic too.

It is very unfortunate that Tomic has already been involved in such incidences. He's also was temporarily banned from ITF events after walking out on a match last year. It's hard to know the absolute truth in all these matters, but from what I gather his father John could have played a large part in these incidences.

why,marat,why?
10-07-2009, 04:26 AM
Man so much bullshit in here.

Most intelligent post so far.

duong
10-07-2009, 09:33 AM
Monfils won his junior grand slams in '04. Nadal reached the final of Miami in '05.

yes I had seen that mistake afterwards : let's say he beat number 1 Federer in Miami that year in 2004 ... after beating Ancic in Wimbledon one year before. And he was in the top-50.

But as you said, I knew it didn't change the point.


But your point is still true; winning junior grand slams at 18 years old does not generate that much hype (nor should it). When Chardy won wimbledon boys' at 18 it wasn't that big of deal. If Nadal had played juniors in '04 (as permitted), he probably would have won them all (barring injuries).

it should not generate as much hype ... but still actually, it generates some hype ... and that's why I mentioned that.

People mostly see the players who win junior grand slams, not really taking care at their age.

And more importantly, many people have not realized that most of the best junior players don't play junior grand slams in the year when they are 18. Still Dimitrov could have played junior grandd slams this year !

And Tomic, Krajinovic or Harrison could still play them next year :eek:

Krajinovic and Harrison have stopped playing junior tournaments at 16.

And that's what happens usually : the best juniors stop playing junior tournaments at 17 years old or earlier.

That's what especially happened to Gasquet and Nadal about whom we were just talking (and who are still the most incredible precocious phenomenons we've had in recent years)

Monfils decided to play junior grand slams at 18 ... and of course he won everything.

Yet, Nadal and Gasquet were clearly very advanced comparing to him in that time.

(actually, Nadal played only one junior grand slam : Wimbledon 2002 at just 16 years old : he lost in the semifinal ... against Lamine Ouahab ;) who was nearly 18. Once again you can see that Nadal was very interested in Wimbledon tournament : only junior grand slam, first best result in grand slams -beating Ancic in 2003- he always said it was the tournament of his dreams :cool: )

n8
10-07-2009, 09:48 AM
yes I had seen that mistake afterwards : let's say he beat number 1 Federer in Miami that year in 2004 ... after beating Ancic in Wimbledon one year before. And he was in the top-50.

But as you said, I knew it didn't change the point.



it should not generate as much hype ... but still actually, it generates some hype ... and that's why I mentioned that.

People mostly see the players who win junior grand slams, not really taking care at their age.

And more importantly, many people have not realized that most of the best junior players don't play junior grand slams in the year when they are 18. Still Dimitrov could have played junior grandd slams this year !

And Tomic, Krajinovic or Harrison could still play them next year :eek:

Krajinovic and Harrison have stopped playing junior tournaments at 16.

And that's what happens usually : the best juniors stop playing junior tournaments at 17 years old or earlier.

That's what especially happened to Gasquet and Nadal about whom we were just talking (and who are still the most incredible precocious phenomenons we've had in recent years)

Monfils decided to play junior grand slams at 18 ... and of course he won everything.

Yet, Nadal and Gasquet were clearly very advanced comparing to him in that time.

(actually, Nadal played only one junior grand slam : Wimbledon 2002 at just 16 years old : he lost in the semifinal ... against Lamine Ouahab ;) who was nearly 18. Once again you can see that Nadal was very interested in Wimbledon tournament : only junior grand slam, first best result in grand slams -beating Ancic in 2003- he always said it was the tournament of his dreams :cool: )

I'm lovin' your posts. Very interesting stuff! Nadal's 3rd round at Wimbledon 2003 really was amazing for a Spanish clay courter who had just turned 17 and playing in his first Major.

n8
10-07-2009, 11:18 AM
Tomic has a new video on his website where is interviewed. He says "I'm not going to be playing anything until Brisbane international, but that could change".

So few events... :sad: What are your thoughts on Tomic's very thin playing schedule?

(I know this post should technically be in Tomic's player forum, but you get so much more exposure this way;))

duong
10-07-2009, 12:24 PM
What are your thoughts on Tomic's very thin playing schedule?


what does he do instead ?

(I had looked at Tomic's forum on MTF one day, but it seemed he has few fans with hew information :lol: )