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Artois draw is going to be crazy!! (again this year)

Fumus
06-07-2006, 05:43 PM
2007 Players List
* ATP Rankings as of April 30, 2007


Nadal, Rafael ESP 2
Roddick, Andy USA 3
Djokovic, Novak SRB 5
Gonzalez, Fernando CHI 6
Ljubicic, Ivan CRO 8
Murray, Andy GBR 10
Ancic, Mario CRO 14
Hewitt, Lleyton AUS 20
Tursunov, Dmitry RUS 24
Safin, Marat RUS 26
Stepanek, Radek CZE 29
Fish, Mardy USA 31
Malisse, Xavier BEL 32
Verdasco, Fernando ESP 34
Benneteau, Julien FRA 36
Bjorkman, Jonas SWE 40
Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA 42
Monfils, Gael FRA 45
Ginepri, Robby USA 46
Mirnyi, Max BLR 47
Henman, Tim GBR 50
Clement, Arnaud FRA 51
Grosjean, Sebastien FRA 58
Del Potro, Juan Martin ARG 63
Johansson, Thomas SWE 67
Delic, Amer USA 72
Serra, Florent FRA 74
Lopez, Feliciano ESP 75
Hernandez, Oscar ESP 77
Karlovic, Ivo CRO 78
Roitman, Sergio ARG 79
Pless, Kristian DEN 81
Llodra, Michael FRA 82
Kendrick, Robert USA 83
Gulbis, Ernests LAT 85
Srichaphan, Paradorn THA 86
Tipsarevic, Janko SRB 87
Hernych, Jan CZE 90
Kunitsyn, Igor RUS 91
Peya, Alexander AUT 92
Seppi, Andreas ITA 94
Udomchoke, Danai THA 95
Bolelli, Simone ITA 96
Gimelstob, Justin USA 127

Wild Cards
Andreev, Igor RUS
Cilic, Marin CRO

Johnny Groove
06-07-2006, 05:44 PM
Duckman needs a title :sad:

mangoes
06-07-2006, 05:45 PM
Hewitt will win :)

MisterQ
06-07-2006, 05:45 PM
I know RG isn't over yet but, how sick is the draw at Stella this year?
It's going to be so fun, there's going to be good matches like every round!

Nadal, Roddick, Llubo, Tursonov, Hewitt, Ancic, Gonzo, Agassi, Blake, holy shiat!!!

Predictions!?

I think Ivan could win, I mean he's never done really well on grass but he seems confident this year.

Sounds great!

Hope Andre will actually be able to play.

croat123
06-07-2006, 05:46 PM
i really like ancic's chances. ljubo might pull out after his effort at rg. he's committed to two wimby warm-ups, might be better for him to pull out of queens to get some rest and just practice on grass and then go deep into the second one.

Fumus
06-07-2006, 05:46 PM
Sounds great!

Hope Andre will actually be able to play.

Me too Matt. :)

atheneglaukopis
06-07-2006, 05:46 PM
Is the draw out? According to the website, not until the 12th. Or did you mean the field?

*Ljubica*
06-07-2006, 05:47 PM
i really like ancic's chances. ljubo might pull out after his effort at rg. he's committed to two wimby warm-ups, might be better for him to pull out of queens to get some rest and just practice on grass and then go deep into the second one.
I heard Ancic had pulled out.

Aleksa's Laydee
06-07-2006, 05:47 PM
Can't wait to go :D

Hope dmitry does something good there :yeah:

Klaas_nalbandian
06-07-2006, 05:47 PM
if they all come its very great, hopefully sluiter will be in

oneandonlyhsn
06-07-2006, 05:47 PM
Grass is coming is coming :yippee:

RickDaStick
06-07-2006, 05:48 PM
yea i would expect Ivan to pull out

Fumus
06-07-2006, 05:48 PM
With this draw it's just like the master's cup minus Federer.

Jimnik
06-07-2006, 05:49 PM
Yup and I get to sit at the font of the members' pavilion for the whole tournament :angel:

Can't wait. I'll be within spitting distance of Hewitt and Ljubicic :devil:

Allstar
06-07-2006, 05:50 PM
It is a great field and there is no obvious winner. You might fancy Roddick but he's having a rough year. Ljubicic reaching semis on clay, surely he can make an impression on the grass this year. Hewitt, not at his best but still dangerous. Gonzo, well I rate him really highly especially on the grass. Agassi, gearing up for one last effort at Wimbledon. Blake, bound to do well. Nadal, who knows and Ancic who is my pick.

scoobs
06-07-2006, 05:50 PM
Given it starts the day after the French Open final and given who that's likely to be between, I may end up emotionally a bit flat for the start of Stella this year :)

Wicked lineup though - strongest field ever if everyone shows.

Fumus
06-07-2006, 05:51 PM
Yea, I am so excited I hope TTC covers the whole thing.

Jimnik
06-07-2006, 05:52 PM
I have a bad feeling that Nadal will withdraw after playing for 5 hours with Federer. I hope Agassi plays - I've never seen him play singles live before. But I saw him once play doubles with Andy.

hitchhiker
06-07-2006, 05:56 PM
is this what a strong grass draw looks like today?

in 1992 you had Edberg, Becker, Ivanisevic, Lendl and Sampras playing queens

Monteque
06-07-2006, 05:58 PM
I know RG isn't over yet but, how sick is the draw at Stella this year?
It's going to be so fun, there's going to be good matches like every round!

Nadal, Roddick, Llubo, Tursonov, Hewitt, Ancic, Gonzo, Agassi, Blake, holy shiat!!!

Predictions!?

I think Ivan could win, I mean he's never done really well on grass but he seems confident this year.

Yup, it looks a hell.
I wonder why the player just don't reverse to Halle???
I know there will be a Federer but isn't the final is quite guarantee....

rofe
06-07-2006, 05:59 PM
is this what a strong grass draw looks like today?

in 1992 you had Edberg, Becker, Ivanisevic, Lendl and Sampras playing queens

Considering that the speed on grass has slowed down considerably, who knows how these guys would fare?

Fumus
06-07-2006, 06:03 PM
Considering that the speed on grass has slowed down considerably, who knows how these guys would fare?

I don't think that's what he meant. I think he was only saying that if you think that this Stella draw kicks ass...look at the draw from 92!

Pigpen Stinks
06-07-2006, 06:12 PM
Dmitry is ready to dish out some damage on the grass after his surprising success at RG. Last year he lost tight matches on grass to Rusedski, Tojo, and Grosjean in Wimby 4th round - three of the better players on grass.

His game is well suited to the surface. Big serve, big groundies without an excessive backswing, likes to stay near the baseline, and not afraid to venture to net where he's pretty competent on the volley.

tennisgal_001
06-07-2006, 06:16 PM
strongest field ever if everyone shows.

And when was the last time that happened...?

Steinhaus
06-07-2006, 06:19 PM
Don`t forget about Daniele Bracciali! :worship:

Winston's Human
06-07-2006, 06:32 PM
is this what a strong grass draw looks like today?

in 1992 you had Edberg, Becker, Ivanisevic, Lendl and Sampras playing queens

Also Todd Martin and Patrick Rafter.

It seems amazing that Wayne Ferreira actually won Queens that year.

Fumus
06-07-2006, 09:15 PM
Also Todd Martin and Patrick Rafter.

It seems amazing that Wayne Ferreira actually won Queens that year.

:haha: some draw.

Alexandy
06-07-2006, 09:15 PM
I really want Feliciano Lopez to win. He did pretty well at Wiimbledon last year. I hope he has some good results. He needs to do well here and he has a pretty good game for grass. Vamos, Feli!!

They're not going to be showing this on ESPN2 are they? :( Damn Comcast!! I want TTC.

Deboogle!.
06-07-2006, 09:21 PM
Yea, I am so excited I hope TTC covers the whole thing.QFs on, I believe.

Anyone know why Karlovic didn't enter?

Andre should be playing, he's supposed to already be in London practicing with Andy (according to Charles Bricker anyway)...

should be a good one.... grass. bring on the aces and volleys!

bad gambler
06-07-2006, 09:23 PM
is this what a strong grass draw looks like today?

in 1992 you had Edberg, Becker, Ivanisevic, Lendl and Sampras playing queens


couldn't agree more

almouchie
06-07-2006, 09:33 PM
great field
thou mario is out

Golfnduck
06-07-2006, 09:57 PM
Duckman needs a title :sad:
I second that, it would be a good title for him to win.

Norrage
06-07-2006, 10:38 PM
With this draw it's just like the master's cup minus Federer.
LOL

There is absolutely nobody in there that actually played the masters cup except Ljubo :/

Deboogle!.
06-07-2006, 11:19 PM
LOL

There is absolutely nobody in there that actually played the masters cup except Ljubo :/poor Davydenko, always forgotten.

anyway, Gonzo ended up playing, did he not? andre played one match, and Andy and Rafa were supposed to. So while Fumus was surely exaggerating a little bit, he wasn't *that* far off :)

KoOlMaNsEaN
06-07-2006, 11:38 PM
London has always been a great tournament. No surprise

croat123
06-07-2006, 11:51 PM
where have u guys read that mairo is out? :sad: i hope it's not an injury

El Legenda
06-08-2006, 12:12 AM
I dont know if Ivan will make this :)

Viken01
06-08-2006, 12:59 AM
i hope agassi will go far, and maybe win the title !

FelipeMIA89
06-08-2006, 02:57 AM
i think Gonzo has good chances...

tangerine_dream
06-08-2006, 04:07 AM
I dont know if Ivan will make this :)
I doubt he'd be missed. :wavey: He sucks on grass anyway and wouldn't be much of a challenge to anyone, not even Rafa. :lol:

El Legenda
06-08-2006, 04:08 AM
I doubt he'd be missed. :wavey: He sucks on grass anyway and wouldn't be much of a challenge to anyone, not even Rafa. :lol:
i could beat Roddick on clay :wavey:

Me 1, tangy 0

:hug:

Fumus
06-08-2006, 03:19 PM
i could beat Roddick on clay :wavey:

Me 1, tangy 0

:hug:

Roddick has beaten lots of good players on clay, it just happens to be overall his record in europe sucks(non-davis cup matches) .If Andy played the majority of his clay court matches in the US I believe his record on clay would be much better. Outside of the grass court season, Andy plays his best tennis in the US on any surface.

Yea and as we all know Roddick was injured this year.

Guybrush
06-08-2006, 03:23 PM
I think Ivan could win, I mean he's never done really well on grass but he seems confident this year.

I think Andy and Mario have more chanches to do it.

Guybrush
06-08-2006, 03:25 PM
Don`t forget about Daniele Bracciali! :worship:

We will! :haha:

Johnny Groove
06-08-2006, 04:37 PM
poor Davydenko, always forgotten.

Davydenko is a tool. Doesnt he ever get tired? I mean, he plays EVERY SINGLE WEEK. He never says no to a tourney.

Fumus
06-08-2006, 04:50 PM
Davydenko is a tool. Doesnt he ever get tired? I mean, he plays EVERY SINGLE WEEK. He never says no to a tourney.

That's because he's a money player just like Yvegeny was, it's this idea I think to make alot of money by playing alot of the smaller tournies and progessing far in them, but you in some ways concede the masters, and then show up for the slams...weird...huh?

Horatio Caine
06-08-2006, 05:03 PM
Yup and I get to sit at the font of the members' pavilion for the whole tournament :angel:

Can't wait. I'll be within spitting distance of Hewitt and Ljubicic :devil:

Stepanek will certainly be able to return the compliment then :tape:

Deboogle!.
06-08-2006, 05:28 PM
Davydenko is a tool. Doesnt he ever get tired? I mean, he plays EVERY SINGLE WEEK. He never says no to a tourney.But he puts up the results to back it up and has stayed healthy. Being fit week after week is a feat in itself. He's not my favorite, and I find him and his game quite boring, but gotta pay respect where it's due.

DrJules
06-08-2006, 09:08 PM
Hewitt will win :)


Agree. Most likely winner and will still be underseeded at Wimbledon.

Fumus
06-08-2006, 09:36 PM
Hewitt most likely a winner? lol...c'mon he lost to IVO last year. Roddick will beat him on grass if he is in good form.

stebs
06-08-2006, 10:15 PM
I know there is slim to no chance of it happening but I really do hope that Tim wins Queens before he retires.

He was runner up in a third set breaker to Sampras in '99 and runner up to Hewitt in '01 and '02. He's also reached the semi finals two times more than that. Henman said that if he could win 3 more matches it would be two at Wimbledon and the final at Queens.

stebs
06-08-2006, 10:18 PM
Hewitt most likely a winner? lol...c'mon he lost to IVO last year. Roddick will beat him on grass if he is in good form.
Anyone can lose to Ivo 6-7 6-7 and anyone can beat him 7-6 7-6. That's the way it goes. The fact that Hewitt got broken in the second set there was inescusible but you can't just say ewitt isn't a contender because of that result. Are you saying that Roddick can't go deep in this years US Open because he lost early last time around? I think not.

Fumus
06-04-2007, 04:48 PM
I know RG isn't over yet but, how sick is the draw at Stella this year?
It's going to be so fun, there's going to be good matches like every round!

Nadal, Roddick, Llubo, Tursonov, Hewitt, Ancic, Gonzo, Agassi, Blake, holy shiat!!!

Predictions!?

I think Ivan could win, I mean he's never done really well on grass but he seems confident this year.

2007 Players List
* ATP Rankings as of April 30, 2007


Nadal, Rafael ESP 2
Roddick, Andy USA 3
Djokovic, Novak SRB 5
Gonzalez, Fernando CHI 6
Ljubicic, Ivan CRO 8
Murray, Andy GBR 10
Ancic, Mario CRO 14
Hewitt, Lleyton AUS 20
Tursunov, Dmitry RUS 24
Safin, Marat RUS 26
Stepanek, Radek CZE 29
Fish, Mardy USA 31
Malisse, Xavier BEL 32
Verdasco, Fernando ESP 34
Benneteau, Julien FRA 36
Bjorkman, Jonas SWE 40
Mathieu, Paul-Henri FRA 42
Monfils, Gael FRA 45
Ginepri, Robby USA 46
Mirnyi, Max BLR 47
Henman, Tim GBR 50
Clement, Arnaud FRA 51
Grosjean, Sebastien FRA 58
Del Potro, Juan Martin ARG 63
Johansson, Thomas SWE 67
Delic, Amer USA 72
Serra, Florent FRA 74
Lopez, Feliciano ESP 75
Hernandez, Oscar ESP 77
Karlovic, Ivo CRO 78
Roitman, Sergio ARG 79
Pless, Kristian DEN 81
Llodra, Michael FRA 82
Kendrick, Robert USA 83
Gulbis, Ernests LAT 85
Srichaphan, Paradorn THA 86
Tipsarevic, Janko SRB 87
Hernych, Jan CZE 90
Kunitsyn, Igor RUS 91
Peya, Alexander AUT 92
Seppi, Andreas ITA 94
Udomchoke, Danai THA 95
Bolelli, Simone ITA 96
Gimelstob, Justin USA 127

Wild Cards
Andreev, Igor RUS
Cilic, Marin CRO

Jimnik
06-04-2007, 04:53 PM
Ancic is out but I'm so happy to see Safin here. This will be the first time I've ever seen him.

The field here is stronger than AMS Paris last year. Time to bitch and moan about the absence of a grass TMS. :devil:

Pfloyd
06-04-2007, 05:07 PM
Davydenko is a excellent example of commitment.

All he lacks is Charisma. Great player, though. :hatoff:

Johnny Groove
06-04-2007, 05:09 PM
The field here is stronger than AMS Paris last year. Time to bitch and moan about the absence of a grass TMS. :devil:

This IS the grass TMS :)

Nadal for the title

rocketassist
06-04-2007, 05:11 PM
Nadal and Roddick are the favourites for me. I think the latter might lose to Hewitt or Murray, though.

With a key DC tie in September Ljubo needs to prove himself on the surface.

Marek.
06-04-2007, 05:19 PM
Hewitt or Roddick will win it.

rocketassist
06-04-2007, 05:21 PM
Hewitt or Roddick will win it.

Somehow this year I'm not so sure, I think they are as vulnerable as ever.

Safin for a shock winner perhaps.

Horatio Caine
06-04-2007, 05:26 PM
Safin for a shock winner perhaps.

Have you been smoking something? :eek:

Horatio Caine
06-04-2007, 05:27 PM
Hewitt or Roddick will win it.

Pretty much...although if Karlovic is in the draw he'll be tough to stop.

If Henman gets a "favourable" enoguh draw then he could do some damage.

rocketassist
06-04-2007, 05:28 PM
Have you been smoking something? :eek:

Yeah, the Queen's grass. :lol:

I was joking but it would be a nice novelty.

Nole is my tip to win it, he can beat anyone in that draw.

Beforehand
06-04-2007, 05:29 PM
Hewitt's looking kinda good as of late. Will be interesting to see if he can keep the form up on grass

valexie03
06-04-2007, 05:36 PM
Hewitt or Roddick will win it.

Hope you're wrong :devil: :devil: :devil:

Horatio Caine
06-04-2007, 05:39 PM
Nole is my tip to win it, he can beat anyone in that draw.

I'll repeat my previous question to this as well... :lol:

Nole shouldn't win a UK grass title with these sorts of players around. Yes he is a very good player, but I don't think grass is entirely to his suiting. He'd reach the latter stages of events, but I don't think he will win one, or maybe not even reach a final.

euroka1
06-04-2007, 06:32 PM
Relax!
This one belongs to Andy Roddick! :cool:

Fumus
06-04-2007, 06:35 PM
Relax!
This one belongs to Andy Roddick! :cool:

I don't know about that, I think there are many other good players now. IMO Novak Joke could make it far thru the tourney or win it. He's been playing well on every surface as of late, and in unrelated news is playing like the number 3 player in the world in my opinion.

Roddick looks good only on paper.

Loremaster
06-04-2007, 07:02 PM
After very good season on slow hardcourts (SF in AO , SF in IW, QF in Miami(injury)) I think Roddick will be playing BIG tennis on grass , I think people don't really count him but since 2003 he is the no.2 on grass with anyone close (2006 was slump year so it doesn't really count) when Andy game is on on grass there is only one guy capable of stopping him and with Jimmy in his box he will be playing well. I think they were(Andy and Jimmy) thinking about Wimby since Masters Cup and agressive S&V game is going to shine here - Roddick hasn't played that concept since Master cup very strange considering the fact that it gave him USOpen final and really pushed Roger in TMC

I would love to see Hewitt-Roddick final (I hope draw will allow it ) it would be huge match.

rocketassist
06-04-2007, 07:12 PM
I'll repeat my previous question to this as well... :lol:

Nole shouldn't win a UK grass title with these sorts of players around. Yes he is a very good player, but I don't think grass is entirely to his suiting. He'd reach the latter stages of events, but I don't think he will win one, or maybe not even reach a final.

Don't be fooled by the 'big serving' myth that surrounds grass. He's an all rounder and he has all the tools necessary.

He looked rather good last year and he should have finished Ancic off.

The Freak
06-04-2007, 07:14 PM
Gael will have another good run here, thanks to his much improved serve.

Albop
06-04-2007, 07:14 PM
i think that gonzo can have
a great week here but all depends
of the draw

Fumus
06-04-2007, 07:26 PM
After very good season on slow hardcourts (SF in AO , SF in IW, QF in Miami(injury)) I think Roddick will be playing BIG tennis on grass , I think people don't really count him but since 2003 he is the no.2 on grass with anyone close (2006 was slump year so it doesn't really count) when Andy game is on on grass there is only one guy capable of stopping him and with Jimmy in his box he will be playing well. I think they were(Andy and Jimmy) thinking about Wimby since Masters Cup and agressive S&V game is going to shine here - Roddick hasn't played that concept since Master cup very strange considering the fact that it gave him USOpen final and really pushed Roger in TMC

I would love to see Hewitt-Roddick final (I hope draw will allow it ) it would be huge match.

Hope you are right LM.

Roddick plays well on grass, sure...and it's not just because he has one of the best serves on tour. It's funny because when he plays on grass, he returns more aggressively hits through the ball much more, attack more often...and doesn't do his 10 feet behind the baseline scrambling shit as much. I am thinking Andy why don't you just pretend you are playing on grass every time...lol.

Artios is going to ROCK as always.

Sofyaxo
06-04-2007, 07:42 PM
Love Andy but I have a feeling Hewitt might take it.

euroka1
06-04-2007, 08:23 PM
I don't know about that, I think there are many other good players now. IMO Novak Joke could make it far thru the tourney or win it. He's been playing well on every surface as of late, and in unrelated news is playing like the number 3 player in the world in my opinion.

Roddick looks good only on paper.

Hope you are right LM.

Roddick plays well on grass, sure...and it's not just because he has one of the best serves on tour. It's funny because when he plays on grass, he returns more aggressively hits through the ball much more, attack more often...and doesn't do his 10 feet behind the baseline scrambling shit as much. I am thinking Andy why don't you just pretend you are playing on grass every time...lol.

Artios is going to ROCK as always.

Fumus, am I not right that until last year, when James Blake took it, Andy had won it three years previously? I note that Blake is not entered this year and there is no Fed. People who have not got used to it still have troubles with the Roddick serve and as long as that holds up, I do not see much sustained competition here. Djokovic comes into the new boy category despite his better all round game.

Andy used to feel that he owned the US Open. This one, I think is more his size. ;)

For similar reasons, I expect him to carry off the Legg Mason.:lick:

RickDaStick
06-04-2007, 08:23 PM
Ljubos will take the title here.

Rogiman
06-04-2007, 08:26 PM
Whatever.
The Wimbly winner will still be playing Halle...

Fumus
06-04-2007, 08:27 PM
Ljubos will take the title here.

That's quite a dubious claim wouldn't you say?

Since it's a know fact Ivan has never played his best tennis on grass.

Fumus
06-04-2007, 08:33 PM
Whatever.
The Wimbly winner will still be playing Halle...

Don't you mean hiding in Halle where he doesn't have to face anyone that actually knows how to play on the stuff. Also I suspect that if Fed makes the final of the French again this year that perhaps he will be just a bit too tired to win Halle and Wimbledon again. It was amazing that he did it last year but he played Hamburg this year so the weeks of continuous tennis and the wear and tear on the body will be more than last year.

Loremaster
06-04-2007, 08:37 PM
Hope you are right LM.

Roddick plays well on grass, sure...and it's not just because he has one of the best serves on tour. It's funny because when he plays on grass, he returns more aggressively hits through the ball much more, attack more often...and doesn't do his 10 feet behind the baseline scrambling shit as much. I am thinking Andy why don't you just pretend you are playing on grass every time...lol.

Artios is going to ROCK as always.

yeah I agree , but it is because he has confidence on grass he knows that when he is playing good he can beat almost anyone and he was the only guy to really push Roger on grass.

I just hope he will move on playing his style from summer 2006 not spring 2007, I love his ultra agrresive style and grass is his best shot , apart from injury Andy was playing rock solid on hardcourts in 2007.
He has that feeling on grass - not everyone who serves big has that ability.
Djokoivc is not a factor here anyway , guy has weak stamina so he will run out of gas after RG. and doesn't posses any grass court weapon what the hell he will be doing playing backhand - forehand all the time ?? maybe it works on slow hardcourts and clay but one must have big weapon to be factor on grass.

Still title will go to Andy or Lleyton because it is rational both of them are much better than rest of draw.
on grass
1. Roger
2. Andy
3. Lleyton

and then noone near.

All those Ljubo lovers are still here ?? Prospect of Ljubo winning anything big on grass is so hilarious maybe he can win on grass when he will build grasscourt on his playground and play with 12 years old girls on it

Loremaster
06-04-2007, 08:39 PM
Don't you mean hiding in Halle where he doesn't have to face anyone that actually knows how to play on the stuff. Also I suspect that if Fed makes the final of the French again this year that perhaps he will be just a bit too tired to win Halle and Wimbledon again. It was amazing that he did it last year but he played Hamburg this year so the weeks of continuous tennis and the wear and tear on the body will be more than last year.

so I want him to win Halle so he will be dead tired on Wimby on the other hand if he will demolish the draw like last year he may be enough in tank to take the title :wavey: but I hope he won't win it

Byrd
06-04-2007, 08:39 PM
Don't you mean hiding in Halle where he doesn't have to face anyone that actually knows how to play on the stuff. Also I suspect that if Fed makes the final of the French again this year that perhaps he will be just a bit too tired to win Halle and Wimbledon again. It was amazing that he did it last year but he played Hamburg this year so the weeks of continuous tennis and the wear and tear on the body will be more than last year.

I dunno it's quite arguable that he played more last year than this year. He won miami and indian wells back 2 back, made finals of monte carlo and rome where he played a 5 set epic compared to early exits in both american tournaments this year, and final in monte carlo and then a winner in hamburg where he had plenty of rest inbetween due to his early exit in Rome. Also hes won all his french open matches in straights so far, so unless he has to play 3 long matches back to back (hope he doesn't), then I doubt he should be that tired for Halle seeing that he probably would have a tuesday or wednesday start in mind.

euroka1
06-04-2007, 08:41 PM
Don't you mean hiding in Halle where he doesn't have to face anyone that actually knows how to play on the stuff. Also I suspect that if Fed makes the final of the French again this year that perhaps he will be just a bit too tired to win Halle and Wimbledon again. It was amazing that he did it last year but he played Hamburg this year so the weeks of continuous tennis and the wear and tear on the body will be more than last year.

Fumus, I agree. For this reason and because of his quick exit from the FO, I think Andy will be in better shape than any of them up through the first week of Wimbledon. He may also find the going hard after that.:cool:

rocketassist
06-04-2007, 08:52 PM
I seem to notice that despite last year's run to the final and a grass court record of 10 wins and 4 defeats, Rafael Nadal is not in contention on the surface. Very odd.

Seeing as the Wimbledon winner is already decided year after year, Queens is the real slam for me.

Fumus
06-04-2007, 09:23 PM
I dunno it's quite arguable that he played more last year than this year. He won miami and indian wells back 2 back, made finals of monte carlo and rome where he played a 5 set epic compared to early exits in both american tournaments this year, and final in monte carlo and then a winner in hamburg where he had plenty of rest inbetween due to his early exit in Rome. Also hes won all his french open matches in straights so far, so unless he has to play 3 long matches back to back (hope he doesn't), then I doubt he should be that tired for Halle seeing that he probably would have a tuesday or wednesday start in mind.

Possibly but he was tired last year too...I don't know man. My guess is a loss at Halle is likely for Roger...early this year...depending, the rest might actually do him good. It's just such a big ask of anyone to go from a GS final right to a tune up playing matches against guys that are fresh ya know. Don't count on Roger just making it to the final at Wimbledon either, there's no such thing as a cake walk draw when you have played that much tennis, injury...fatigue they can hit anyone. I wouldn't pencil him into the final until we see the draw...sides this thread is about Artois.

marcRD
06-04-2007, 10:46 PM
Don't you mean hiding in Halle where he doesn't have to face anyone that actually knows how to play on the stuff.


:eek: I think it is more possible the rest of the top 10 is hiding in Queens to not play Roger...

Halba
06-04-2007, 10:50 PM
:eek: I think it is more possible the rest of the top 10 is hiding in Queens to not play Roger...

:haha: :rolls:

scarecrows
06-04-2007, 10:54 PM
Grosjean to win it

Johnny Groove
06-04-2007, 10:56 PM
Gael will have another good run here, thanks to his much improved serve.

and flawless volleys :eek: :rocker2:

Rogiman
06-04-2007, 10:56 PM
Don't you mean hiding in Halle where he doesn't have to face anyone that actually knows how to play on the stuff. Also I suspect that if Fed makes the final of the French again this year that perhaps he will be just a bit too tired to win Halle and Wimbledon again. It was amazing that he did it last year but he played Hamburg this year so the weeks of continuous tennis and the wear and tear on the body will be more than last year.Show some respect, he's not Roddick, he doesn't need to prove his abilities on grass or any other surface to anyone, he's defeated them all.
If he wants to play Halle Duck should be grateful for being given a chance to win a title.

As for the 'wear and tear' stuff, enough with that :bs:

Rogiman
06-04-2007, 10:59 PM
Fumus, I agree. For this reason and because of his quick exit from the FO, I think Andy will be in better shape than any of them up through the first week of Wimbledon. He may also find the going hard after that.:cool:The way he hits his (once big) forehand nowadays he won't win anything.

Johnny Groove
06-04-2007, 11:00 PM
Fumus, I agree. For this reason and because of his quick exit from the FO, I think Andy will be in better shape than any of them up through the first week of Wimbledon. He may also find the going hard after that.:cool:

didnt really help him last year, but then again, he loses early at the RG every year

Andre♥
06-04-2007, 11:01 PM
Andreev's forehand might be very dangerous in here too. I'm not saying he will win of course, but a semi final place is possible for him.

Deboogle!.
06-04-2007, 11:28 PM
didnt really help him last year, but then again, he loses early at the RG every yearHe's also never played doubles in a grass challenger before. And last year on grass was pretty much his lowest point. Not saying he will be amazingly successful this year, but he really played horrifically on grass last year and was lucky to win the few matches he did win.

Winston's Human
06-05-2007, 02:54 AM
Also, last year Andy had to retire from RG with an injury he had sustained in Dusseldorf.

TMJordan
06-05-2007, 02:55 AM
Vamos Andy!

RickDaStick
06-05-2007, 03:05 AM
He's also never played doubles in a grass challenger before. And last year on grass was pretty much his lowest point. Not saying he will be amazingly successful this year, but he really played horrifically on grass last year and was lucky to win the few matches he did win.

Do you really think playing one or two doubles matches next week will help his grass court game? He would probably get more practice by playing a serious practice match with someone.

Johnny Groove
06-05-2007, 03:07 AM
Do you really think playing one or two doubles matches next week will help his grass court game? He would probably get more practice by playing a serious practice match with someone.

him and Robby will storm throw the surbiton draw :rocker2:

Deboogle!.
06-05-2007, 03:17 AM
Do you really think playing one or two doubles matches next week will help his grass court game? He would probably get more practice by playing a serious practice match with someone.Please point me to where I said it was a good idea or that it would invoke something magical. I didn't, I don't think it much matters. But it's sure as hell better than him going back to Texas where there's not a grasscourt in sight. So I'll take it. It's something different from last year, that's all I'm saying. At least he's not too proud to do it.

sarciness
06-05-2007, 03:19 AM
Come on Tim!

I'm going for Hewitt to go all the way. I'm biased, but who isn't!?

Forehander
06-05-2007, 03:19 AM
wtf is this? lol. Agassi?

sarciness
06-05-2007, 03:22 AM
wtf is this? lol. Agassi?

Check the date, that was last year... go to page 4.

megadeth
06-05-2007, 03:33 AM
"ha! let them fight over queens! halle's where it's all at!" :p

- roger federer

Forehander
06-05-2007, 03:42 AM
Check the date, that was last year... go to page 4.

oops haha

W!MBLEDON
06-05-2007, 03:42 AM
Hewitt will win :)

Nice prediction. :p It'll happen again this year, too! C'MON! :p

stebs
06-05-2007, 11:30 AM
He's also never played doubles in a grass challenger before. And last year on grass was pretty much his lowest point. Not saying he will be amazingly successful this year, but he really played horrifically on grass last year and was lucky to win the few matches he did win.

Well seeing as going into the match against Murray many Roddick fans were saying he was getting back to top form and was favourite to reach the final again I don't see what you are saying. He played a regular match against Murray and has he improved since then, sure, but he is still the same player and his imrovements are minor to be honest.

He is still a great grass player don't get me wrong but a fit Andy Murray will NEVER be easy for Roddick to beat on any surface and if they were to meet this year at Wimbledon or Queens assuming both are fit I think it is a 50/50 tie. Of course, overall Roddick is better than Murray on grass but he can certainly be beaten.

Fumus
06-05-2007, 03:01 PM
Well seeing as going into the match against Murray many Roddick fans were saying he was getting back to top form and was favourite to reach the final again I don't see what you are saying. He played a regular match against Murray and has he improved since then, sure, but he is still the same player and his imrovements are minor to be honest.

He is still a great grass player don't get me wrong but a fit Andy Murray will NEVER be easy for Roddick to beat on any surface and if they were to meet this year at Wimbledon or Queens assuming both are fit I think it is a 50/50 tie. Of course, overall Roddick is better than Murray on grass but he can certainly be beaten.

What's your point?

Beforehand
06-05-2007, 03:19 PM
:devil: Federer's hiding in Germany to avoid tough grass matches.

Fumus
06-05-2007, 04:34 PM
:devil: Federer's hiding in Germany to avoid tough grass matches.

Fact.

rocketassist
06-05-2007, 04:36 PM
I think the Wimby match last year was more about Murray being very good than Roddick being very bad.

Andy has never been the most tactically sound player, and can often get beaten by cleverer thinkers. Few will have enough to beat him on the grass this year though, he's in there with the favourites.

Fumus
06-05-2007, 05:56 PM
I think the Wimby match last year was more about Murray being very good than Roddick being very bad.

Andy has never been the most tactically sound player, and can often get beaten by cleverer thinkers. Few will have enough to beat him on the grass this year though, he's in there with the favourites.

I don't think Murray is a favorite. Again though, what do I know, I guess that's why Artois will rock because it's going to tell us soo much about who's in good form, and who are favorites should be.

rocketassist
06-05-2007, 07:12 PM
I don't think Murray is a favorite. Again though, what do I know, I guess that's why Artois will rock because it's going to tell us soo much about who's in good form, and who are favorites should be.

I meant Andy, as in Andy Roddick!

stebs
06-05-2007, 07:15 PM
What's your point?

:confused: Read the post I was replying to. The point is clear.

R.Federer
06-05-2007, 07:41 PM
:devil: Federer's hiding in Germany to avoid tough grass matches.

Opposite.
Not all of the ones playing at Artois always played it as a tuneup. Yet, they chose that knowing he is going to play Halle. Coincidence? Nope! :devil:

Fumus
06-05-2007, 08:00 PM
:confused: Read the post I was replying to. The point is clear.

Well, you don't really say anything. You are just like Roddick is a great grass player but Murray will never be an easy win for him on any surface. So it's 50/50...but Roddick is the superior grass but he's not unbeatable.

That's just like you went in a giant circle and didn't really say anything. So what's your point? Roddick and Murray are even on grass? That's not true. Or is your point that Roddick isn't favored heavily if they meet on grass this year, also untrue. Dunno.

Fumus
06-05-2007, 08:02 PM
Opposite.
Not all of the ones playing at Artois always played it as a tuneup. Yet, they chose that knowing he is going to play Halle. Coincidence? Nope! :devil:

Psh...bs you know it.

Artios > Halle

maria_marie
06-05-2007, 08:03 PM
I think this tournament should be given a Masters status because most of the best players come there anyway. I really look forward to it :wavey:

R.Federer
06-05-2007, 08:08 PM
Psh...bs you know it.

Artios > Halle

Halle has produced the Wimbledon champ 4 years in a row. :worship:
They must be doing something right.

stebs
06-05-2007, 08:13 PM
Well, you don't really say anything.
It's not an essay for you to mark Fumus. Take what I said as you like, I don't need to re-iterate because it is perfectly clear.

Roddick and Murray are even on grass? That's not true. Or is your point that Roddick isn't favored heavily if they meet on grass this year, also untrue. Dunno.

Roddick won't be heavy favourite if they meet on grass this year and yes it is about the match up and Roddick was playing a decent match when he lost last year. Are they even on grass? No, Roddick will find it easier to dispatch more players than Murray but H-2-H there isn't much in it.

R.Federer
06-05-2007, 08:17 PM
I think this tournament should be given a Masters status because most of the best players come there anyway. I really look forward to it :wavey:


Shhhh :secret:
You're giving ideas to Dubai and Bangkok.

Fumus
06-05-2007, 08:19 PM
Halle has produced the Wimbledon champ 4 years in a row. :worship:
They must be doing something right.

Really...cuz the courts play and look like garbage. None of the top grass court players come there and oh yea....just because Fed likes to come there for some easy wins and confidence boosting doesn't mean it's created any other great champs....

Some former champs at Artios include,

Roddick - Wimbledon finalist
Hewitt - Wimbledon Champion
Sampras - Wimbledon Champion
Mark Philippoussis - Wimbledon finalist
Boris Becker - Wimbledon Champion
John McEnroe - Wimbledon Champion
Jimmy Connors - Wimbledon Champion

Um..former Halle champs...

Federer - Wimbledon Champ
Stich - Wimbledon Champ

Hmmm...you decide which tournament is more prestigious....the greats of the game all played at Artios, you got Stich and Fed at Halle....hmmmmm

R.Federer
06-05-2007, 08:27 PM
Nah, Federer is not going to risk his grass court prep if it really played like garbage in Halle. And if it boosts his confidence, well why not. There are other players who actually need confidence boosting who would do themselves a big favor by going there. :lol:

Btw, your "research" has problems in that you include names of people who won Wimbledon when Halle did not exist.

Really...cuz the courts play and look like garbage. None of the top grass court players come there and oh yea....just because Fed likes to come there for some easy wins and confidence boosting doesn't mean it's created any other great champs....

Some former champs at Artios include,

Roddick - Wimbledon finalist
Hewitt - Wimbledon Champion
Sampras - Wimbledon Champion
Mark Philippoussis - Wimbledon finalist
Boris Becker - Wimbledon Champion
John McEnroe - Wimbledon Champion
Jimmy Connors - Wimbledon Champion

Um..former Halle champs...

Federer - Wimbledon Champ
Stich - Wimbledon Champ

Hmmm...you decide which tournament is more prestigious....the greats of the game all played at Artios, you got Stich and Fed at Halle....hmmmmm

Fumus
06-05-2007, 08:28 PM
It's not an essay for you to mark Fumus. Take what I said as you like, I don't need to re-iterate because it is perfectly clear.



Roddick won't be heavy favourite if they meet on grass this year and yes it is about the match up and Roddick was playing a decent match when he lost last year. Are they even on grass? No, Roddick will find it easier to dispatch more players than Murray but H-2-H there isn't much in it.

Hahah...alright Stebs. It's just conveying a thought that's understandable and coherent is probably a good thing to do both in an outside of school. Dunno. :haha:

Roddick wasn't playing "decent". Murray has a game that troubles Roddick but if , Andy's hitting his spots on the grass his power game suits the grass better so it's a better match up for Roddick.

Fumus
06-05-2007, 08:30 PM
Nah, Federer is not going to risk his grass court prep if it really played like garbage in Halle. And if it boosts his confidence, well why not. There are other players who actually need confidence boosting who would do themselves a big favor by going there. :lol:

Btw, your "research" has problems in that you include names of people who won Wimbledon when Halle did not exist.

What!?

Hello, that's not a research problem. That's merely showing you why, Artios is clearly the more prestigious tournament. It's a fact more champions have come out of Artios, have played there, the courts are nicer, and the draws are harder every year than anywhere else. :cool:

Fumus
06-05-2007, 08:30 PM
Vamos Queens Club!!!

stebs
06-05-2007, 08:32 PM
Hahah...alright Stebs. It's just conveying a thought that's understandable and coherent is probably a good thing to do both in an outside of school. Dunno. :haha:
Well it's coherent enough for anyone reading other than you to understand so if you have a problem then I don't mind, just don't reply to it. I mean, the grammar is all fine as far as I can see and I have said what I wanted to say. Maybe time to drop it now and move on. ;)

Roddick wasn't playing "decent". Murray has a game that troubles Roddick but if , Andy's hitting his spots on the grass his power game suits the grass better so it's a better match up for Roddick.
Well it is a great match-up for Murray and it is really a matter of who serves better each time they meet because Murray is great at taking power and making it redundant.

R.Federer
06-05-2007, 08:35 PM
What!?

Hello, that's not a research problem. That's merely showing you why, Artios is clearly the more prestigious tournament. It's a fact more champions have come out of Artios, have played there, the courts are nicer, and the draws are harder every year than anywhere else. :cool:
It is. Maybe McEnroe and Connors would have played in Halle as tuneups if it existed back then. And won it. And then you would list them as Champions who won in Halle. But that was not an option back then, so they had to play the other main tournament available. Can you say for sure they wouldn't?

Federer is not an idiot. If it somehow was better prep for him to play in London, he would do it. Evidently it isn't.

Fumus
06-05-2007, 08:37 PM
Well it's coherent enough for anyone reading other than you to understand so if you have a problem then I don't mind, just don't reply to it. I mean, the grammar is all fine as far as I can see and I have said what I wanted to say. Maybe time to drop it now and move on. ;)


Well it is a great match-up for Murray and it is really a matter of who serves better each time they meet because Murray is great at taking power and making it redundant.

Aside from there last match when Roddick was injured and retired, A-Rod has beaten Murray 2 out of last 3 times...all on a slower hard court. The faster surface clearly favoring Andy Roddick...I think he's got Murray figured out. ;)

stebs
06-05-2007, 08:42 PM
This is for Fumus who seems to be having big trouble understanding English so far in this thread.

Well seeing as going into the match against Murray many Roddick fans were saying he was getting back to top form and was favourite to reach the final again I don't see what you are saying.


Here I am indicating that prior to the match Andy Roddick and Andy Murray played at Wimbledon in 2006 many Andy Roddick fans had began to post that he was getting back to form and that he was likely to reach the Wimbledon final once again. This was in response to the poster I quoted saying that Roddick was playing badly going into that aforementioned match with Andy Murray. Following so far?
He played a regular match against Murray and has he improved since then, sure, but he is still the same player and his imrovements are minor to be honest.
I'm saying that in a potential repeat of that 2006 clash I previously mentioned the improvements to the Roddick game may not have as large an effect as the quoted poster believed. I indicate this by telling you that "improvements are minor." Still on board Fumus?

He is still a great grass player don't get me wrong but a fit Andy Murray will NEVER be easy for Roddick to beat on any surface and if they were to meet this year at Wimbledon or Queens assuming both are fit I think it is a 50/50 tie.
Maybe this is when you had trouble understanding Fumus? By "He", I mean Andy Roddick and the rest of this sentance is conveying my belief that due to match-up issues a match between Andy Roddick and Andy Murray will never be easy for Andy Roddick to win on any surface. The surfaces I am reffering to in full are grass, outdoor hard courts, clay, indoor hard courts and indoor carpet. Furthermore, this sentance indicates my opinion which is that a match between the two (Roddick and Murray) is a 50/50 proposition. This means that each has an equal chance to win.

Of course, overall Roddick is better than Murray on grass but he can certainly be beaten.
This final sentance is a quick assurance that I do still believe Roddick to be the better grass court tennis player overall as his results on the surface indicate. However, I also add that he can be beaten, here I semantically mean that his beating may occur before a potential clash with Roger Federer.

Hope that clears everything up Fumus. Any more questions about what I meant and I'll be happy to answer.

Fumus
06-05-2007, 08:44 PM
It is. Maybe McEnroe and Connors would have played in Halle as tuneups if it existed back then. And won it. And then you would list them as Champions who won in Halle. But that was not an option back then, so they had to play the other main tournament available. Can you say for sure they wouldn't?

Federer is not an idiot. If it somehow was better prep for him to play in London, he would do it. Evidently it isn't.

Yea he wants as many grass matches as possible if he lost Karlovic in the 3rd round it might spoil that.

How can I count Connors or McEnroe? Because it adds history to Artios, they are former champs. Historically the best players played at Artios. It's only Federer that's chosen to play at Halle. It really shows how un historic and truly bootleg Halle is because it was started in 1993. Pshh, how can you even think that a tournament like that could compare with something that has been around and seen the top players for the past 30 years. Hey what do you know...it's the 30 year anniversary of the Tournament.

stebs
06-05-2007, 08:45 PM
Aside from there last match when Roddick was injured and retired, A-Rod has beaten Murray 2 out of last 3 times...all on a slower hard court. The faster surface clearly favoring Andy Roddick...I think he's got Murray figured out. ;)

Murray leads the H-2-H and is a multi-dimensional player. Not someone you can just 'figure out'. Fact is, the reason Murray doesn't stomp all over Roddick the way Federer does is that Roddick is a great player. However, Murray has a natural match-up advantage and on the grass he won in straights, excuses aside.

Fumus
06-05-2007, 08:48 PM
This is for Fumus who seems to be having big trouble understanding English so far in this thread.



Here I am indicating that prior to the match Andy Roddick and Andy Murray played at Wimbledon in 2006 many Andy Roddick fans had began to post that he was getting back to form and that he was likely to reach the Wimbledon final once again. This was in response to the poster I quoted saying that Roddick was playing badly going into that aforementioned match with Andy Murray. Following so far?

I'm saying that in a potential repeat of that 2006 clash I previously mentioned the improvements to the Roddick game may not have as large an effect as the quoted poster believed. I indicate this by telling you that "improvements are minor." Still on board Fumus?


Maybe this is when you had trouble understanding Fumus? By "He", I mean Andy Roddick and the rest of this sentance is conveying my belief that due to match-up issues a match between Andy Roddick and Andy Murray will never be easy for Andy Roddick to win on any surface. The surfaces I am reffering to in full are grass, outdoor hard courts, clay, indoor hard courts and indoor carpet. Furthermore, this sentance indicates my opinion which is that a match between the two (Roddick and Murray) is a 50/50 proposition. This means that each has an equal chance to win.


This final sentance is a quick assurance that I do still believe Roddick to be the better grass court tennis player overall as his results on the surface indicate. However, I also add that he can be beaten, here I semantically mean that his beating may occur before a potential clash with Roger Federer.

Hope that clears everything up Fumus. Any more questions about what I meant and I'll be happy to answer.

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Pretty awesome. Pretty awesome.

But what's your point? j/k ;)

Fumus
06-05-2007, 08:50 PM
Murray leads the H-2-H and is a multi-dimensional player. Not someone you can just 'figure out'. Fact is, the reason Murray doesn't stomp all over Roddick the way Federer does is that Roddick is a great player. However, Murray has a natural match-up advantage and on the grass he won in straights, excuses aside.

So why does Federer stomp all over Roddick then?

R.Federer
06-05-2007, 09:02 PM
Yea he wants as many grass matches as possible if he lost Karlovic in the 3rd round it might spoil that.


Well lets turn that around. Are the players at Queens all ignorant, and do not want more grass matches under their belts? Like Karlovic can't stop them.
And what about the other playeres in Halle-- Blake, Nalbandian, Gasquet, etc. Why aren't they playing in London? Are they also all worried about Karlovic in R3. It is a matter of preference.

The tournaments are the same tier, you can dream up any tournament to be better and nicer as you wish, others may agree not so much.

Fumus
06-05-2007, 09:23 PM
Well lets turn that around. Are the players at Queens all ignorant, and do not want more grass matches under their belts? Like Karlovic can't stop them.
And what about the other playeres in Halle-- Blake, Nalbandian, Gasquet, etc. Why aren't they playing in London? Are they also all worried about Karlovic in R3. It is a matter of preference.

The tournaments are the same tier, you can dream up any tournament to be better and nicer as you wish, others may agree not so much.

Halle is Halle.

Artios is Artios.

You can't compare the two. One has the history, the better players overall on grass and etc.

Halle looks like crap, the play conditions aren't as similar to Wimbledon, as Queen's club is. Queen's is the better warm up.

LeChuck
06-05-2007, 09:26 PM
I bet that if Federer did decide to play at Queen's one year, his bitches Hewitt and Roddick would defect to Halle in an instant.

R.Federer
06-05-2007, 09:32 PM
Halle is Halle.

Artios is Artios.

You can't compare the two. One has the history, the better players overall on grass and etc.

Halle looks like crap, the play conditions aren't as similar to Wimbledon, as Queen's club is. Queen's is the better warm up.

Since you advertise so much for this quality tournament, it might be a good time to figure out that it is Artois. By the way, I still did not understand why the other ignorant players don't defect to Halle since, as you said, it is just to get more matches under your belt.

History is neither necessary nor sufficient to make a tournament great or popular, or get the big names. Just ask Dubai. Halle has a Champion (x4) and a Wimb finalist in its lineup. London has a champion (x1) and two finalists in its lineup. Does not sound that much more impressive to me. (You're not going to change my mind, you can repeat yourself ad nauseum).

scoobs
06-05-2007, 09:35 PM
They're different tournaments with a completely different feel and they're both good - on balance I thought Halle had better matches last year.

Doesn't matter. I just always find it a culture shock to see green underfoot and shorter points after so long watching clay :)

LeChuck
06-05-2007, 09:43 PM
I went to Queen's in 2003, and to be frank I hated the place. It is a hotbed of snobbery and elitism. The tennis was great, the people that ran the event were anything but.

R.Federer
06-05-2007, 09:53 PM
I went to Queen's in 2003, and to be frank I hated the place. It is a hotbed of snobbery and elitism. The tennis was great, the people that ran the event were anything but.


Isn't this the same "great" tournament which made some crass comments about Pete Sampras when Pete played Halle in a year when he was slumping? What a crass thing to do. After a great grass court champion has played your tourney for YEARS, trash talk him down. It sure does sound like a great tournament run by very proper gentlemen. :haha:

LeChuck
06-05-2007, 09:59 PM
Isn't this the same "great" tournament which made some crass comments about Pete Sampras when Pete played Halle in a year when he was slumping? What a crass thing to do. After a great grass court champion has played your tourney for YEARS, trash talk him down. It sure does sound like a great tournament run by very proper gentlemen. :haha:

:lol: Yeah I know. It was Ian Wight who made those disgraceful and unbelievably arrogant comments in 2002. How disrespectful to a player that had continually supported the tournament for the vast majority of his career, and had won the event twice.

stebs
06-05-2007, 10:44 PM
So why does Federer stomp all over Roddick then?

Federer is a hell of a lot better than Murray.

Stensland
06-05-2007, 11:22 PM
Halle is Halle.

Artios is Artios.

You can't compare the two. One has the history, the better players overall on grass and etc.

Halle looks like crap, the play conditions aren't as similar to Wimbledon, as Queen's club is. Queen's is the better warm up.

i guess fed also likes to speak his native language in halle. i think that's why he chooses it. he couldn't care less about preparation, draw and al that; he's gonna win wimby anyways.

Deboogle!.
06-05-2007, 11:52 PM
Ryan. WHY? In 3 and a half years, have you learned absolutely nothing!?!??!?

SixPack
06-05-2007, 11:57 PM
Does anybody know how well Rafa did at Artois last year?

Stensland
06-06-2007, 12:03 AM
Does anybody know how well Rafa did at Artois last year?

i think he was in the quarters or semis. if i remember correctly hewitt took him out.

the year before he was in halle, losing vs. waske in the first round.

SixPack
06-06-2007, 12:09 AM
i think he was in the quarters or semis. if i remember correctly hewitt took him out.

the year before he was in halle, losing vs. waske in the first round.

Just did some researching and Nadal withdrew because he got injured in the 2nd set which he lost. Nadal won the first set 6-3 and lost the second set 3-6. Hewitt would go on to win the title there. Wow, if Nadal didn't get injured, he would have beaten Hewitt that day. I don't understand why people don't bring this up as a reason why Nadal has improved on grass and his run to the finals of Wimbledon.

Eden
06-06-2007, 12:13 AM
Just did some researching and Nadal withdrew because he got injured in the 2nd set which he lost. Nadal won the first set 6-3 and lost the second set 3-6. Hewitt would go on to win the title there. Wow, if Nadal didn't get injured, he would have beaten Hewitt that day.

You can't predict the outcome of a match when the match isn't played until the end ;)

Fumus
06-06-2007, 02:14 PM
You can't predict the outcome of a match when the match isn't played until the end ;)

Well both players admitted it. :)

t0x
06-06-2007, 02:40 PM
Nadal probably saw his good friend Blake in the final and thought 'Fuck this'...

Monteque
06-06-2007, 04:10 PM
This thread sucks. This is old . Read the first page and getting surprised Agassi will back.

Make new one!!!!!

Fumus
06-06-2007, 04:12 PM
This thread sucks. This is old . Read the first page and getting surprised Agassi will back.

Make new one!!!!!

No...why should I? To clutter up the forum? Lol. This thread has a long and prestigious tradition just like the tourney, no new thread is necessary.

Monteque
06-06-2007, 04:51 PM
No problem, none of my bussiness. Just a bit thing, it will be easier to find out the first post in the first page of the thread that what u want to say. Now i dont know nothin about who players who's going to be crazy in this thread but last year group. And i'm lazy to find out.

Anyway, it's up to you because you made it...;)

Fumus
06-06-2007, 06:43 PM
No problem, none of my bussiness. Just a bit thing, it will be easier to find out the first post in the first page of the thread that what u want to say. Now i dont know nothin about who players who's going to be crazy in this thread but last year group. And i'm lazy to find out.

Anyway, it's up to you because you made it...;)

Done...because looking back a few pages was too much work.