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Could Ljubo's big serve and good BH hurt Nadal's game ?

TheMightyFed
06-07-2006, 03:31 PM
Seems a good combo against Nadal. Now on clay it's a different story but still...
Ljubo won't be bothered by high balls on his BH as he's tall, he will dictate the point early with his serve, which Nadal hates. In Madrid it worked quite well after all.

stebs
06-07-2006, 03:34 PM
Ljubicic has a very good natural game to hurt Rafa's but I think that Nadal is just too good on clay to struggle against it. If Ljubicic serves well he may put Nadal under some pressure.

Guybrush
06-07-2006, 03:36 PM
No way. I am a great supporter of Ivan, but I'm also real. If Ljubo wins a set I will be happy ;)

oneandonlyhsn
06-07-2006, 03:37 PM
Nah, Ljubo will be lucky to get a set

Apemant
06-07-2006, 03:37 PM
Seems a good combo against Nadal. Now on clay it's a different story but still...
Ljubo won't be bothered by high balls on his BH as he's tall, he will dictate the point early with his serve, which Nadal hates. In Madrid it worked quite well after all.

Yeah, clay makes this pretty much a one-way street, but other than that, you have a point. I don't recall anyone handled Nadal with the ease of Ljubo in the first 2 sets of Madrid. But even there, Nadal's superior psyche got him through. I hope he doesn't thrash Ljubo too hard in the semis...

rofe
06-07-2006, 03:38 PM
I think Ivan will win one set and will lose in 4 tight sets.

avocadoe
06-07-2006, 03:39 PM
3 or 4 tight sets seems right to me...

DDrago2
06-07-2006, 03:40 PM
I think Nadal moves way better on clay then Ljubo, so despite the serve and all I give Ljubo no chance. I expect quite an easy match for Nadal

Watch the other SF

Yergeht Fladnag
06-07-2006, 03:43 PM
Seems a good combo against Nadal. Now on clay it's a different story but still...
Ljubo won't be bothered by high balls on his BH as he's tall, he will dictate the point early with his serve, which Nadal hates. In Madrid it worked quite well after all.
I watched that Madrid finale, Ljubo was destroying Nadal in the first two sets. It's quite unbelieveable that Nadal still managed to win in 5. Ljubo's major choke, I guess. :(

But clay is different story. I don't expect much - Nadal in 4 or even in 3 sets. :sad:

Anyhow, great effort from Ivan, Roland Garros SF... :worship:

FSRteam
06-07-2006, 03:44 PM
no way, unfortunately... :(

Keeping madrid in mind, I find hard to believe that ivan can make better on clay!

victory1
06-07-2006, 03:45 PM
Ljubo don't stand a chance; Nadal should win easily! Now the Fed & Nab match could go either way, that one should be good; I expect a 5 set match!

I♥PsY@Mus!c
06-07-2006, 03:50 PM
Final is still Nadal-Federer,but Ivan could make a better score than Hewitt and Djokovic did!

deekaye
06-07-2006, 03:51 PM
Nah, Ljubo will be lucky to get a set

Well if Mathieu and Hewitt won sets against Nadal,are u telling me Ljubicic cannot get a set? Think again. 'Potatohead' has the finest serve of any of the 4 semifinalists,and I am including the world no.1.

Deekaye

TheMightyFed
06-07-2006, 03:57 PM
I don't think it will be such a thrashing, Ljubo will test Nadal. Won't win but can push him. Plus players seem to figure out better and better Nadal's game: fix the backhand, then accelerate on the forehand, attack the net, etc. Nadal is less and less of a mystery, it's clear this year compared to last year. Still pretty damn good but doesn't look invincible.

croat123
06-07-2006, 03:58 PM
ljubo's not as inclined to come in to net as paul-henri and lleyton were. he's also not as explosive and fast. that said, his serve can set up points and nadal's high balls won't hurt him as much as they hurt the other players.

TheMightyFed
06-07-2006, 04:04 PM
Ljubo must adopt Mathieu's attitude if he wants to do something. Mathieu was really saying with his game, his body language "I'm not impressed, get ready to suffer, Nadal !". This attitude was pretty amazing and should inspire all Rafa's opponents. Rafa plays a lot with intimidation and you have to destroy this factor from start.

Apemant
06-07-2006, 04:07 PM
I don't think it will be such a thrashing, Ljubo will test Nadal. Won't win but can push him. Plus players seem to figure out better and better Nadal's game: fix the backhand, then accelerate on the forehand, attack the net, etc. Nadal is less and less of a mystery, it's clear this year compared to last year. Still pretty damn good but doesn't look invincible.

On the contrary, to me he still seems invincible. After all those matches one would think that the competition should already figure out how to play with him. But he just keeps rollin' :eek:

yanchr
06-07-2006, 04:16 PM
Plus players seem to figure out better and better Nadal's game: fix the backhand, then accelerate on the forehand, attack the net, etc. Nadal is less and less of a mystery, it's clear this year compared to last year. Still pretty damn good but doesn't look invincible.
I somewhat get the same feeling watching this RG. Players are figuring him out little by little even if he still prevails. The surface being faster could be a reason though. And with his game style, I think the more other players get to play him, the more belief they are gaining in beating him in the future. It can be argued that he is not playing his best tennis in this RG, but what is his best tennis after all? He is of a type whose game is just consistent and low-risky. There is not so much difference between when he is playing well and when he is not. I'm curious to see how he will do in the coming grass and this summer hard court season.

bandabou
06-07-2006, 05:04 PM
Good point....rarely is Nadal's fate in his own hands. He lives and dies from how much errors he can force his opponents make with his amazing amazing defense so that he can counter. But players are figuring him out, it is still not easy to do it cosistently because the guy is good...but the key is out there: pound the backhand and then open up the field to his forehand. The one who did this pretty good was Soderling actually, but because Soderling's own movement was so weak...Nadal still could counter. Again he has the luck that he's playing the easiest SF opponent, while Nalbandian and Federer have to battle with each other and with whatever energy they have left, must then battle Nadal too.

scoobs
06-07-2006, 05:06 PM
Depends how relaxed and aggressively he plays the match. He has weapons but may not use them effectively. If he plays as he did today against Benneteau, Nadal will make short work of him. Ljubicic was way too passive and tentative for much of the match today.

Fumus
06-07-2006, 05:09 PM
Rafa beat him on HC and on a fast indoor court....so yea, not so much guys ;)


ATP Masters Series Madrid, Hard, Spain
F Nadal d. Ivan 36 26 63 64 76


ATP Masters Series Miami, Hard, R16
FL, U.S.A.
Hard R16 Nadal d. Ivan 64 67 63

mickymouse
06-07-2006, 05:14 PM
He has a big weapon-his serve, which can get him out of tight situations. If he serves really well and keeps up with Nadal, he may be able to spring a surprise.

Dirk
06-07-2006, 05:19 PM
I think Ivan will come to the net more and he could upset him if he attacks alot on the ground.

Deivid23
06-07-2006, 05:24 PM
:lol:

*Viva Chile*
06-07-2006, 05:37 PM
No

stebs
06-07-2006, 06:40 PM
Rafa beat him on HC and on a fast indoor court....so yea, not so much guys ;)


ATP Masters Series Madrid, Hard, Spain
F Nadal d. Ivan 36 26 63 64 76


ATP Masters Series Miami, Hard, R16
FL, U.S.A.
Hard R16 Nadal d. Ivan 64 67 63

Although to be fair Ljubo was absolutely slaying Nadal in Madrid for the first two sets until he choked.

tennisgal_001
06-07-2006, 06:42 PM
I think Nadal will win in four...

elroyf
06-07-2006, 06:47 PM
If Ljubo plays like he did today, he will get trashed by Nadal.

3-0 Nadal imo. They are a different class.

BlakeJamitis
06-07-2006, 08:08 PM
Wait Wait Wait - Ivan DID beat Nadal last year in Doha. Plus like all of you have said, he has that punishing serve & nice BH. If he pushed him around indoors for 2 sets, why can't he win on Friday. Who am I kidding ... He has a chance BUT...

Fumus
06-07-2006, 08:13 PM
Although to be fair Ljubo was absolutely slaying Nadal in Madrid for the first two sets until he choked.

On a fast indoor court where he still lost...lol...this is clay.

Yea and Ivan beat Rafa before he really became the Rafa we all know and love today in Doha. I mean, even Jean-Micheal Gambill beat Federer on grass, lol, but that was before he came the Federer we all know and love today. :)

oneandonlyhsn
06-07-2006, 08:17 PM
On a fast indoor court where he still lost...lol...this is clay.

Yea and Ivan beat Rafa before he really became the Rafa we all know and love today in Doha. I mean, even Jean-Micheal Gambill beat Federer on grass, lol, but that was before he came the Federer we all know and love today. :)

:lol: Good one :yeah:

oneandonlyhsn
06-07-2006, 08:20 PM
Well if Mathieu and Hewitt won sets against Nadal,are u telling me Ljubicic cannot get a set? Think again. 'Potatohead' has the finest serve of any of the 4 semifinalists,and I am including the world no.1.

Deekaye

Well lets see, Paulo has very powerful groundstrokes, I think Ivan's biggest weakness is he doesnt flatten his FH. Hewitt and Ivan are different on the mental department. I dont think Ivan moves particularly well on clay either which will be a huge factor. However if Ivan serves well and comes to the net he may sneak in a set.

Himura
06-07-2006, 08:21 PM
Although to be fair Ljubo was absolutely slaying Nadal in Madrid for the first two sets until he choked.


Actually he wasn`t just chokeing.... he got tierd to...when he lost the 3 set i saw that he was very tired....so i think it`s both

bad gambler
06-07-2006, 08:29 PM
Although to be fair Ljubo was absolutely slaying Nadal in Madrid for the first two sets until he choked.


Ljubo forgot it was a best of 5 sets match that day :lol:

There was no choking, Nadal just wore him down, it's not like he was in a winning position in the 3rd, 4th or 5th sets for that effort to be labelled a "choke"

bad gambler
06-07-2006, 08:30 PM
And to answer the question, NO :silly:

Deboogle!.
06-07-2006, 08:41 PM
Ljubo forgot it was a best of 5 sets match that day :lol:

There was no choking, Nadal just wore him down, it's not like he was in a winning position in the 3rd, 4th or 5th sets for that effort to be labelled a "choke"dude, read the MTF rules, every time a player has a lead and loses it's a choke, no matter what really happened. Get with it, Prabu.

anyway, my answer to the question - on a fast surface maybe but not on clay. Unless the banana gets to rafa again.

almouchie
06-07-2006, 08:45 PM
cannt see anyone stoping nadal
not yet anyway

Scotso
06-07-2006, 09:04 PM
On clay? No.