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Federer or Nadal's passing shot??

stebs
06-06-2006, 09:56 PM
Which do you think is better, I have been pondering this for some time and I have come to the conclusion that I can't come to any conclusion. I rate them equally. Both incredible shots :worship:

oneandonlyhsn
06-06-2006, 10:47 PM
I think Nadal can hit unbelievable passing shots from very awkard positions. I give him the slight edge

Phunkadelicious
06-06-2006, 10:48 PM
Nadal I think is better overall, although they are both able to hit some incredible passing shots.

However, I'd go with Agassi in his prime as the best passer.

Chloe le Bopper
06-06-2006, 10:51 PM
Nadal's look more spectacular, sometimes, because he has a habit of hitting them when he's way out of position. I'm not sure that necessarily makes them better, though.

DrJules
06-06-2006, 10:54 PM
Federer.

More evident at Wimbledon where players come to net more.

Sjengster
06-06-2006, 10:55 PM
They both belong in a fairground, because they are Big Dippers.

ChloeLove
06-07-2006, 02:42 AM
Nadal's passing shots leave you in awe, because of the way he hits it. He sets it up in some impossible positions. So, I'd say Nadal, passing shot winners are more common in his games than in Fed's. Roger's still is very effective however.

stebs
06-07-2006, 12:13 PM
However, I'd go with Agassi in his prime as the best passer.

Fair enough, I have to say I disagree. I think Rafa and Roger both have passing shots which are quite a lot better than Agassi's ever were.

bad gambler
06-07-2006, 12:14 PM
Federer.

More evident at Wimbledon where players come to net more.


players actually come to the net these days? :tape:

wimbledonfan
06-07-2006, 03:53 PM
Agassi in his prime would pass more effectively than either of those two players . He just hits the ball more cleanly and more efficiently . Afterall , he played against some of the best net players so he had to have been sharp .

TheMightyFed
06-07-2006, 04:05 PM
Nadal's passings out of nowhere, are his trademark. Without them he wouldn't be that tough. Fed's trademark is his attacking forehand and genius's rarely-seen-before strokes like the chopped FH against Ancic.
Nadal passings have incredible angle, speed, spin and kill the opponent mentally as they don't expect them. Nadal's passing is really unique.

oz_boz
06-07-2006, 04:10 PM
I give Nadal the slight edge, his ability to consistently retrieve and counterattack is quite unique in today's quick game, a bit like Borg when he broke through.

supersexynadal
06-07-2006, 04:29 PM
federers on offense, nadal on defense

MisterQ
06-07-2006, 05:19 PM
Agassi in his prime would pass more effectively than either of those two players . He just hits the ball more cleanly and more efficiently . Afterall , he played against some of the best net players so he had to have been sharp .

The three all hit the ball quite differently, and their balls have different trajectories. I would analyze their strengths as follows:

AGASSI: From within the court, he is the most precise hitter of the three. For a passing shot taken too early for the net player to react, impossible to read until it is hit, and hit hard and fairly straight from point A to point B, he is the best. His weakness comes when he is pushed far back... then he is unable to rob the opponent of time, and the flatter trajectory of his ball makes it harder to dip it over the net from far back, making volleys easier.

NADAL: The greatest defensive passing shot artist. From far behind the baseline, his strength and topspin allows him to find angles that don't seem to exist. The heavy topspin dips the ball down as it crosses the net, forcing the opponent to volley up weakly, so even if he makes the volley, the speedy Nadal will probably have made it to the ball for a second pass attempt.

FEDERER: For an improvised passing shot, flicked to a narrow corner of the court right by the net, Federer's the man. He can hit a passing shot with little pace but excellent placement that seriously limits the opponents options if he gets to it. And that explosive backhand pass often comes out of nowhere, when he didn't seem to be in position to hit it!

bandabou
06-07-2006, 05:41 PM
I think Nadal, because Nadal is the counterpuncher...so without passing shots he wouldn't be nearly as good as he is now.

jacobhiggins
06-07-2006, 09:48 PM
I like Federer's, he passes as an attack, Nadal passes as a defense.

oneandonlyhsn
06-07-2006, 09:50 PM
I remember last year at Wimby Fed came up with so many passing shots esp against Roddick in the final. I think its harder to come up with those shots on grass as the ball stays very low. I guess I change my previous answer to :shrug:

musefanatic
06-07-2006, 09:51 PM
I think Federers but that's mainly because every shot federer plays is amazing really

almouchie
06-07-2006, 09:52 PM
federer pass is deceptive
but nadal is penetrating

Deivid23
06-07-2006, 09:53 PM
I like Federer's, he passes as an attack, Nadal passes as a defense.

:cuckoo:

jacobhiggins
06-07-2006, 10:07 PM
:cuckoo:

Can comprehend what I said? It's not that tough!

Deivid23
06-07-2006, 10:47 PM
Can comprehend what I said? It's not that tough!

Care to elaborate? :cuckoo:

Merton
06-08-2006, 03:25 AM
I like Federer's, he passes as an attack, Nadal passes as a defense.

A passing shot is a defensive shot by definition, since the opponent threatens to end the point immediately from his superior position at the net.

Action Jackson
06-08-2006, 09:55 AM
Borg.

MisterQ
06-08-2006, 04:59 PM
A passing shot is a defensive shot by definition, since the opponent threatens to end the point immediately from his superior position at the net.

You're totally right. I'm guessing that jacobhiggins was referring to the shot preceding the passing shot. If you intentionally draw the other player to the net because you are confident in your passing abilities (and confident that they are less comfortable up there), there's a certain offensive quality to that. Federer does do that fairly often.

Bernard Black
09-11-2008, 04:33 PM
I wonder whether anyone's opinions have changed on this in the space of two years.

On clay Nadal has the best passing shots, no question. It's suicide to approach the net with him at the other side, and you'll be lucky to win more than 2/10 points in that position. I still wouldn't advise serve and volleying against Federer on the surface either though unless you're really craving a bagel :lol:

On grass and clay they both still have great passing shots. Nadal came up with some incredible passes at Wimbledon this year, and again, Federer's were great too but I'd probably give Nadal the edge again. On hardcourts though, if I had to stick money on someone making an impossible pass, I'd go for Federer. Nadal seems to be much more attackable on hardcourts, but it still takes someone to have an incredible volleying day to beat him (Tsonga AO 08).

In summary, these two are beasts at passing shots and I wouldn't wish a net approach against them on my worst enemy! I know people say they're aided by racquet technology, slower surface, mug volleying era, etc. but it still takes talent to make those shots time and time again. Nadal especially, was passing with amazing accuracty this summer.

leng jai
09-11-2008, 04:42 PM
I hate to say this but Fakervic is up there as having great passes. Hes got incredible balance on the stretch, especially on his two hander. He seems to favour getting it down low to set up the next passing shot rather than going for outright winners all the time.

Chiseller
09-11-2008, 04:55 PM
I would say in general a lot more players are able to hit lethal - and that quite constantly - passing shots than years back.
About Nadal/Federer, can't tell who's better.

crude oil
09-11-2008, 05:08 PM
this is obviously surface dependent and is movement dependent as well.

agassi is not in the same leagues as either federer or nadal ps due to movement.

calvinhobbes
09-11-2008, 05:47 PM
Nadal adores to hit from the lateral outside fields because he´s a retriever and this position gives him very skewed angles to attack. These shots are often passing-shots if his rival happens to be near the net. In this sense, passing-shots are for Nadal a sub-product of his preferred style of playing. For Roger, passing-shots are intended directly as such, and are much more "frontal", as they are not so often originated in the lateral outside field.

ballbasher101
09-11-2008, 06:11 PM
The Swiss maestro used to be the best at passing but not anymore. Nadal has changed the way we view passing shots the guy hits passing shot winners from impossible situations. I remember a passing shot winner he hit against Youzhny in Dubai last year I think it was a ridiculous passing shot. I think every one knows that it is suicidal to come in against Nadal on a lot of surfaces, Nadal's passing shot on the backhand is :worship:. I am not a fan of the Majorcans game but I do respect his passing shots.

groundstroke
09-11-2008, 06:16 PM
2 years later and I think this: Nadal has some awesome passing shots due to a great dipping forehand but at the same time, a lot of guys that volley on any other surface than clay make Nadal's passing shots look like shit, I know for a fact Murray did at the USO.

Federer's backhand produces the best ever passing shots. I remember in TMC 2007 when Federer made this ridiculous cross court one against Nadal..

adee-gee
09-11-2008, 06:21 PM
Nadal.

Though no-one approaches to Federer's forehand, so I might be doing him a disservice. He hits the odd incredible pass on his backhand, but also misses a fair few. Nadal's passing shots are laserlike off both wings (I just wish his backhand could be so good in rallies).

stebs
09-11-2008, 06:42 PM
I hate to say this but Fakervic is up there as having great passes. Hes got incredible balance on the stretch, especially on his two hander. He seems to favour getting it down low to set up the next passing shot rather than going for outright winners all the time.

He lacks the spin or abilty to create pace on the pass that Federer and Nadal have though. His FH pass is the weaker wing as opposed to the other two. I think the Djokovic passing shot is pretty strong much like all of his game but they don't stand out like they do for Federer and Nadal.

Interestingly Nadal and Sampras BH passes are one of the only things that both have in common, they can be mediocre for much of a match without meaningful direction or power and then when it comes to the pass they are both stunning.

Clydey
09-11-2008, 07:18 PM
Nadal's, no question. Can't believe Federer has more votes. No one on earth passes like Nadal.

groundstroke
09-11-2008, 07:22 PM
Nadal's, no question. Can't believe Federer has more votes. No one on earth passes like Nadal.
Nadal has poor passing shots on most surfaces other than clay, is it only me that sees him miss every time and make 1 great pass in one game? Federer will never miss a BH or a FH pass..

Clydey
09-11-2008, 07:27 PM
Nadal has poor passing shots on most surfaces other than clay, is it only me that sees him miss every time and make 1 great pass in one game? Federer will never miss a BH or a FH pass..

His passing is unreal on grass. Some of them this year were beyond belief, not least the pass against Federer in the 4th set TB (at which point Fed came up with a stunning pass of his own, I might add).

BlueSwan
09-11-2008, 07:48 PM
My pick is Nadal (can't believe Federer is leading the poll). He's by far the best and most consistent passer I've ever seen (been watching tennis since the 80's). However, I do think many players play the wrong kind of approach shot against Nadal. Basically they play him the way they would approach anyone else: Hit the ball out of the court away from the opponent. But this is exactly where Nadal is so lethal because he's got the angle he wants. I think the corrent way to hit an approach shot to Nadal is to hit to the middle of the court, preferable into the body of Nadal. Sure, he's gonna be right there, but he's not gonna have the angle that he wants. Of course you can't just hit the ball right at Nadal and charge the net like a madman. You have to be well inside the court already when you hit your shot and you have to either hit a HARD, flat and deep approach shot or a wickidly sliced DEEP approach shot. Any regular topspin approach or approach that isn't deep is gonna get punished BAD. So why even play the net against Nadal? Because you're gonna get killed from the baseline unless you're playing insanely good on the day.

groundstroke
09-11-2008, 07:54 PM
His passing is unreal on grass. Some of them this year were beyond belief, not least the pass against Federer in the 4th set TB (at which point Fed came up with a stunning pass of his own, I might add).
He hit a better one against Kiefer but Federer is more consistent and has better passes of both wings. His BH passing shot will go in 99% of the time..

federernadalfan
09-11-2008, 08:00 PM
they are pretty much equally great, really hard to say which one has a better one. Just looking at this year though, i would have to say nadal

ballbasher101
09-11-2008, 08:03 PM
My pick is Nadal (can't believe Federer is leading the poll). He's by far the best and most consistent passer I've ever seen (been watching tennis since the 80's). However, I do think many players play the wrong kind of approach shot against Nadal. Basically they play him the way they would approach anyone else: Hit the ball out of the court away from the opponent. But this is exactly where Nadal is so lethal because he's got the angle he wants. I think the corrent way to hit an approach shot to Nadal is to hit to the middle of the court, preferable into the body of Nadal. Sure, he's gonna be right there, but he's not gonna have the angle that he wants. Of course you can't just hit the ball right at Nadal and charge the net like a madman. You have to be well inside the court already when you hit your shot and you have to either hit a HARD, flat and deep approach shot or a wickidly sliced DEEP approach shot. Any regular topspin approach or approach that isn't deep is gonna get punished BAD. So why even play the net against Nadal? Because you're gonna get killed from the baseline unless you're playing insanely good on the day.


Well put Nadal tortures his opponents into submission better than anyone I have ever seen. The match against Troiki at the us open is a good example of a Nadal victim ground down and in that match Nadal hit some brilliant passing shots. Not giving him angles sounds like a good idea but no one has used it against him so it a bit untested.

BIGMARAT
09-11-2008, 08:09 PM
Federer for me is slightly better.

The only reason Nadal comes to contest is because he uses it far more frequently than anybody else in the top 10.
That's nadal's game- bring all the ball back and hit a passing shot when the his opponent thought he hit a good approach

Black Adam
09-11-2008, 08:28 PM
I think that Nadal's are more impressive because he can hit them from awkward positions. There is also the intimidation factor: opponents are afraid to rush the net when playing him. That's what makes him the better passer of the two in my opinion.

Corey Feldman
09-11-2008, 08:39 PM
Nadal

heavy top spin is the death of the net player and we all know no one can apply more than Mr moonball himself

of the BH side he is better as well.... but most of the top50 are better passers of the BH than Federer

groundstroke
09-11-2008, 08:57 PM
Nadal

heavy top spin is the death of the net player and we all know no one can apply more than Mr moonball himself

of the BH side he is better as well.... but most of the top50 are better passers of the BH than Federer
No one will feed you, troll. :)

Federerhingis
09-11-2008, 10:22 PM
No one will feed you, troll. :)

I know, how silly to post such an errant and baseless statement. As a groundstroke sure it's nothing special, but on the pass he's extremely great with this shot. It's been off like the rest of his game has for the better part of this season, but in general he's a great passer off both wings.

I do give the edge to Nadal, he's just so precise and consistent it's insane. :hatoff:

stebs
09-11-2008, 10:58 PM
For a Nadal passing feast take a look at the game he plays to break back Federer in the first set of the 2007 Wimbledon final. Three deep approach shots, three brutal passing shots.

Roddickominator
09-11-2008, 11:56 PM
Nadal is a league ahead of everyone in passing shots. Fed makes some nice ones but come on, it's really not that close. When Fed can become number one in the world while relying mostly on his passing shots then he can enter the conversation.

dsingh7
09-12-2008, 02:20 AM
Well both of them have amazing ability to hit those sick passing shots. I think Nadal is better from backhand side and he is more dependent upon them then Fed is. Because of the top spin Rafa produce, probability of ball landing inside the court is always more then Fed shots.Though..from my taste perspective i would prefer watching Fed passing shots.
his shots are quite a treat to watch.

guga2120
09-12-2008, 02:31 AM
Nadal's, backhand passing shot especially, is in a league by itself.

Kolya
09-12-2008, 03:41 AM
Borg.

guga2120
09-12-2008, 04:14 AM
Borg.

Anybody can have great passing shots when the ball comes that slowly.

crude oil
09-12-2008, 04:26 AM
Anybody can have great passing shots when the ball comes that slowly.

borg might have had the best ones in his time but to proclaim his as the best we have seen :lol:

some people are trying too hard to be seen as tennis historians or just using answer to be smart.

next, someone will mention emerson or rosewall after seeing like two youtube clips and reading some excerpts from peers. :lol:

Chiseller
09-12-2008, 06:05 AM
some people are trying too hard to be seen as tennis historians or just using answer to be smart.

infuckingdeed

Kolya
09-12-2008, 07:26 AM
borg might have had the best ones in his time but to proclaim his as the best we have seen :lol:

some people are trying too hard to be seen as tennis historians or just using answer to be smart.

next, someone will mention emerson or rosewall after seeing like two youtube clips and reading some excerpts from peers. :lol:

When the pressure was on, Borg was clutch passing someone at net.

He did it time and time again.

megadeth
09-12-2008, 07:58 AM
nadal has a better passing shot than fed. when he's on the run, you just know something worthy of the tv highlights will happen... then bam! a passing shot with the most wicked angles ever!

that's why fed has a dilemma. he can't outlast rafa from the baseline, then if he goes into the net, he'll be at the mercy of those intimidating passing shots...

does anyone remember their first point against each other ever on clay (FO final '05)? with fed serving to start the match, he approaches the net as the rally progressed, fed hit a very good approach shot then nadal runs it down and smacks a mindboggling forehand passing shot down the line. then fed just retreated to the baseline for the most part of the match... that point set the tone for that final i believe...

...and i'm a fed fan by the way...

MatchFederer
09-12-2008, 09:27 AM
borg might have had the best ones in his time but to proclaim his as the best we have seen :lol:

some people are trying too hard to be seen as tennis historians or just using answer to be smart.

next, someone will mention emerson or rosewall after seeing like two youtube clips and reading some excerpts from peers. :lol:

:lol:

While this might not be true for EVERYBODY who starts bringing out long retired players name as some kind of autopilot response, this is a GREAT post, especially the bit highlighted in bold.

Laba
09-12-2008, 09:52 AM
For a Nadal passing feast take a look at the game he plays to break back Federer in the first set of the 2007 Wimbledon final. Three deep approach shots, three brutal passing shots.

Is this service game up on YouTube? If so, link please? :)

Julio
09-12-2008, 10:05 AM
Nadal. Without a doubt.

ballbasher101
09-12-2008, 10:14 AM
This should not be up for debate part of the reason why Nadal is number one is because of his ridiculous passing shots. Are people forgetting the ridiculous spin that Nadal puts on the ball so even if you get an easy volley you might miss it because of the sheer amount of spin on the ball. I am sure that if Borg used today's rackets he would be up there with Nadal in the passing shot department.

nastoff
09-12-2008, 10:36 AM
The two passing shots at Wimbledon that happened coincintentally should be the reference point. Federer's seemed more spectacular, especially considering he was under great pressure.
I think in general the Federer ones look more amazing but he can't just make them at will, for the one he makes he'll lose at least 2 or 3.
However Nadal's passing shots are well calculated and he's able to do them again and again while the point seems lost for him in most of the situations .
So I'd say Federer for the quality of the shot and its pure entertainment value but Nadal for the importance of the shot itself and the consistency by which he makes them. Time and again he comes up with shots that stun the opposition and in that regard they're very important for the outcome of the match.

MatchFederer
09-12-2008, 10:38 AM
I would say Nadal. But Federer's to my eyes are more impressive, such as his curious backhand flick which nobody else can do, and the manner in which he can pass dtl with his backhand. Nadal's are impressive in a whole different way, their muscular nature, the speed at which he gets to the ball and whips through the ball and creates such a tremendous amount of top and side spin. Federer's seem more "genius" though.

Bazooka
09-12-2008, 10:47 AM
Nadal's due to the topspin he is able to generate even when the ball comes to him really low. He is able to raise the ball and find the angle most disturbing for his opponent.

However, has anyone else noticed that in the last months (HC season) he is netting more and more of his passings? Or is it me?

bokehlicious
09-12-2008, 11:15 AM
However, has anyone else noticed that in the last months (HC season) he is netting more and more of his passings? Or is it me?

That's bound to happen when one lacks technique... :angel: :shrug:

MatchFederer
09-12-2008, 11:18 AM
Bazooka,

I haven't really noticed Nadal netting more passes, but I haven't watched him as closely as you probably...

Bernard Black
09-12-2008, 11:20 AM
Note to all mugs out there: You do NOT approach Federer on his forehand side!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQHHBWbtEmA

Bernard Black
09-12-2008, 11:23 AM
Special mention goes to Safin and Hewitt who both helped finish off serve and volley tennis.

It was painful how many times I watched Henman vs Hewitt, and Hewitt would just pass him time and time again, reducing Henman to a quivering wreck at the net :(

In todays game, Murray also has pretty lethal passing shots but I wouldn't say they're quite up there with Nadal's in terms of consistency.

FNT
09-12-2008, 12:41 PM
Roger's shot is more flashy and has that "wow-factor" to it, but I don't really think this is even a contest. Rafa's passes are more consistent and effective, this is what matters, right? =)

ToniTennis
09-12-2008, 02:28 PM
nadal has a better passing shot than fed. when he's on the run, you just know something worthy of the tv highlights will happen... then bam! a passing shot with the most wicked angles ever!

that's why fed has a dilemma. he can't outlast rafa from the baseline, then if he goes into the net, he'll be at the mercy of those intimidating passing shots...

does anyone remember their first point against each other ever on clay (FO final '05)? with fed serving to start the match, he approaches the net as the rally progressed, fed hit a very good approach shot then nadal runs it down and smacks a mindboggling forehand passing shot down the line. then fed just retreated to the baseline for the most part of the match... that point set the tone for that final i believe...

...and i'm a fed fan by the way...

The first ever on clay would be FO SF '04, but the rest of the story is quite accurate.

I'm with the majority here in that Rafa has the edge on this issue, but Roger is not that far behind. Just take a look at this vid, at about 17''

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=5xraWutUCcw

Surely, everybody has seen this. Wimbledon '08; it's matchpoint with Rafa serving for Championship and he goes, as usual, for Federer's bh which, also as usual, had been shyte against Nadal so his approach to the net to win the point was very well founded. Then, Roger produces that sublime shot that takes him back in the game.

Johnny Groove
09-12-2008, 02:40 PM
He hit a better one against Kiefer but Federer is more consistent and has better passes of both wings. His BH passing shot will go in 99% of the time..

:lol: Fed's backhand doesn't go in 99% of the time if he's playing Jan Silva :lol:

The first ever on clay would be FO SF '04, but the rest of the story is quite accurate.

I'm with the majority here in that Rafa has the edge on this issue, but Roger is not that far behind. Just take a look at this vid, at about 17''

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=5xraWutUCcw

RG SF 04? Try 05 :)

MatchFederer
09-12-2008, 02:47 PM
The first ever on clay would be FO SF '04, but the rest of the story is quite accurate.

I'm with the majority here in that Rafa has the edge on this issue, but Roger is not that far behind. Just take a look at this vid, at about 17''

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=5xraWutUCcw

Surely, everybody has seen this. Wimbledon '08; it's matchpoint with Rafa serving for Championship and he goes, as usual, for Federer's bh which, also as usual, had been shyte against Nadal so his approach to the net to win the point was very well founded. Then, Roger produces that sublime shot that takes him back in the game.


No. It was 2005.

Zolka
09-12-2008, 03:09 PM
Nadal's passing game is more efficient and i think he is the best ever, when it comes to hitting passing shots on the run. Even better than Andre. However, i think Roger possesses the most beautiful, and maybe the best BH CC passing shot. It's just a thing of beauty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQCSOE14Rfc

And a couple more, wow, some of them were new to me. :) Unbelievable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWO6Ojm5fgM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bm4zSBhweoY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnAW3h5aZ_k&feature=related

Still, you have to go with Nadal, Roger can hit those from anywhere on the court too, just like the spaniard, but if you watch Nadal you have a feeling that he will do it 9 times out of 10.

Zolka
09-12-2008, 03:29 PM
Nadal has poor passing shots on most surfaces other than clay, is it only me that sees him miss every time and make 1 great pass in one game? Federer will never miss a BH or a FH pass..


Nadal's passing game is incredible even on grass (on clay it's obvious), sometimes it's breaking down on hard court though, like against Tsonga, but it's not a suprise, that's Rafa's weakest surface. Back to Roger, i think his BH CC passing shot is definitely comperable to Nadal's (efficiency wise), i even think Roger wins the comparison in that particular department of the passing game (that's a really stupid sentence, no? :D). But overall, you just can't say that Roger is better at it, especially not this year. Fortunately, we could see again some flashes of his brilliant passing game at USO, especially against Stepanek, but he hit some amazing passing winners against Müller, Djoko and Murray as well. It's all about the footwork, which seemed come to life at very best moment. :)

ToniTennis
09-12-2008, 04:19 PM
:lol: Fed's backhand doesn't go in 99% of the time if he's playing Jan Silva :lol:



RG SF 04? Try 05 :)

Right, I stand corrected :). It was a SF, though.

Fedex
09-12-2008, 07:50 PM
I think that Nadal's are more impressive because he can hit them from awkward positions. There is also the intimidation factor: opponents are afraid to rush the net when playing him. That's what makes him the better passer of the two in my opinion.

Players don't exactly look forward to charging in against Federer either. Federer rarely even sees an approach shot hit to his forehand.