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So, how does one beat Nadal at Roland Garros?

KarstenBraasch#1
06-03-2006, 07:46 PM
While PHM gave an admirable effort, it was never going to be a winning one.

One thing is for sure, Nadal needs to be outplayed. No gifts can be expected.
I think when you are aggressive (and you have to be all the time), you need to hit more volleys, sometimes speculative ones from mid-court, to give him less time to recover position during the points.
You should also use sharp angles and shorter balls to get him out of his comfort zone.
You should attack his backhand and go to the net as often as possible. You will get passed a lot but it might wear him down.
And you should try to attack his serve.

I wonder how an old school serve & volleyer would do against him. Playing chip-and-charge etc.

All easier said than down. But I know one player who can do all things that PHM did today, plus a few more. :)

AgassiDomination
06-03-2006, 07:47 PM
By playing him on grass.

RonE
06-03-2006, 07:48 PM
By having a machine take over PHM's brain and have him hit those flaming backhand crosscourts with inch accurate precision and great pace for 50 strokes a point. Of course after Mathieu is reconnected he might find his body might just shut down of sheer exhaustion.

KarstenBraasch#1
06-03-2006, 07:49 PM
By playing him on grass.
Fixed now.

Johnny Groove
06-03-2006, 07:50 PM
bananas

KarstenBraasch#1
06-03-2006, 07:50 PM
By having a machine take over PHM's brain and have him hit those flaming backhand crosscourts with inch accurate precision and great pace for 50 strokes a point. Of course after Mathieu is reconnected he might find his body might just shut down of sheer exhaustion.
That's why he was going to fail eventually.

dmit424
06-03-2006, 07:51 PM
Just do what Federer does. Federer is alot closer to Nadal on clay than people may think. It's remarkable that even though Nadal should have a clear mental advantage on this surface, Federer comes extremely close to beating him and even had two match points last time. In fact, I think they are really about even on clay. They will beat the same opponents with the same score, but when they play each other, Nadal has an ever so slight mental advantage. That's it. Their games are really even. Nadal is a better mover than Federer on clay (and otherwise), but Federer is still the better shotmaker.

vincayou
06-03-2006, 07:52 PM
That's the truly depressing conclusion for Rafa's opponent if they waych his game against PHM. The latter played out of his mind and still lost 6-4 6-4 6-4 the last sets.

The key is to find a way not to be mentally exhausted. Sometimes, even as a spectator, you just wish them to throw the towel

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 07:53 PM
You play the way Mathieu did here today and the way Blake has done when they have met on hardcourts. That is to say, you attack him with genuine power. Roger tries to construct points and outmanouevre him, which is almost impossible to do.

RonE
06-03-2006, 07:54 PM
Just do what Federer does. Federer is alot closer to Nadal on clay than people may think. It's remarkable that even though Nadal should have a clear mental advantage on this surface, Federer comes extremely close to beating him and even had two match points last time. In fact, I think they are really about even on clay. They will beat the same opponents with the same score, but when they play each other, Nadal has an ever so slight mental advantage. That's it. Their games are really even. Nadal is a better mover than Federer on clay (and otherwise), but Federer is still the better shotmaker.

Just to add to what you said- do what Federer does but without the slip ups he has when serving for matches, poor BP conversion, blowing 40-15 leads, missing MPs etc.

In fact, if you could create a player and combine Federer's shots with Nadal's mentality that player would be virtually unbeatable on every surface. Scary when you think about it.

DrJules
06-03-2006, 07:54 PM
By doing what Blake, Federer and PHM did today. Have to forcefully attack from baseline and move forward without too many errors. Strategically he is easy to beat, but executing is very very difficult.

DDrago2
06-03-2006, 07:55 PM
Buy not buying his myth. He isn't so special as he makes it look, he is perfectly playable, as we have seen so often. He wins because he manages to go through the eye of a needle with his rampaging spirit. But that is just a gimmick. He is more vulnerable than he makes it look... players start to understand that... he will have tougher time in the future.

RonE
06-03-2006, 07:56 PM
Buy not buying his myth. He isn't so special as he makes it look, he is perfectly playable, as we have seen so often. He wins because he manages to go through the eye of a needle with his rampaging spirit. But that is just a gimmick. He is more vulnerable than he makes it look... players start to understand that... he will have tougher time in the future.

hmmm...... maybe he will around the year 2018.

Langers
06-03-2006, 07:56 PM
His time has arrived: :worship:

http://www.tennisfreunde-much.de/Impressionen/Tennisspieler-Bilder/Federer-Roger/roger-federer-switzerland_08.jpg

admiralpye
06-03-2006, 07:57 PM
While PHM gave an admirable effort, it was never going to be a winning one.

One thing is for sure, Nadal needs to be outplayed. No gifts can be expected.
I think when you are aggressive (and you have to be all the time), you need to hit more volleys, sometimes speculative ones from mid-court, to give him less time to recover position during the points.
You should also use sharp angles and shorter balls to get him out of his comfort zone.
You should attack his backhand and go to the net as often as possible. You will get passed a lot but it might wear him down.
And you should try to attack his serve.

I wonder how an old school serve & volleyer would do against him. Playing chip-and-charge etc.

All easier said than down. But I know one player who can do all things that PHM did today, plus a few more. :)

Mathieu was playing well, and he was having success with his forays to the net. But I think the deciding factor was how long and how consistently he could keep it up. And with the match stretching out to almost 5 hours, I'm afraid Mathieu was outlasted physically and mentally (Rafa just took control while Mathieu went on auto-pilot busy hitting defensive shots).

I'm a Rafa fan, and from watching him play many times on clay, I have noticed that Federer got a great advantage over him by playing the volleys as quickly as possible. But even Fed couldn't keep it up. Rafa has a way of just dictating a whole match.