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Would Mary Carrillo and Johnny Mac STFU about Wimbledon already!

dkw
06-03-2006, 06:06 PM
I'm trying to watch the Nadal-PHM match but every five seconds either John or Mary > if Nadal would beef up his serve then he could play at Wimbledon; less topsin... play at Wimbledon; better volleys... play at Wimbledon.

And they do this all the time with every player at every tournament... the Austrailian Open is going on and already they're talking about Wimbledon.

Folks there is a reason why the grass court season is only 5 seconds long... No one gives a fcuk! Stop talking about it!!!

hitchhiker
06-03-2006, 06:08 PM
respect the fucking grass

*Ljubica*
06-03-2006, 06:10 PM
I'm trying to watch the Nadal-PHM match but every five seconds either John or Mary > if Nadal would beef up his serve then he could play at Wimbledon; less topsin... play at Wimbledon; better volleys... play at Wimbledon.

And they do this all the time with every player at every tournament... the Austrailian Open is going on and already they're talking about Wimbledon.

Folks there is a reason why the grass court season is only 5 seconds long... No one gives a fcuk! Stop talking about it!!!
Try living in England :devil: - trust me - our commentators talk about it non-stop too........"grass, Wimbledon, grass, Wimbledon," etc ad nauseam :yawn: I just try and ignore them -or else their obsession with the slippery green stuff would drive you crazy :rolleyes:

gusman890
06-03-2006, 06:15 PM
yeahh respect the grass

it has better matches on it then all the other surfaces

NicoFan
06-03-2006, 06:20 PM
Folks there is a reason why the grass court season is only 5 seconds long... No one gives a fcuk! Stop talking about it!!!

Agree. :yeah:

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 06:43 PM
yeahh respect the grass

it has better matches on it then all the other surfaces
That's subjective but even then it's annoying that the commentators can't stop babbling about the grass when there's a CLAY tournament on. :rolleyes:

oneandonlyhsn
06-03-2006, 06:50 PM
Grass :worship: cant wait for it. Clay is too fucking long :fiery:

The Daviator
06-03-2006, 07:01 PM
:lol:

Wimbledon :worship:

DrJules
06-03-2006, 07:32 PM
Try living in England :devil: - trust me - our commentators talk about it non-stop too........"grass, Wimbledon, grass, Wimbledon," etc ad nauseam :yawn: I just try and ignore them -or else their obsession with the slippery green stuff would drive you crazy :rolleyes:

It is the only major/master series event in England so I can understand why it is mentioned. It is the best chance most in England have of visiting a top tennis event.

Not sure why American commentators are talking about it all the time.

DrJules
06-03-2006, 07:33 PM
yeahh respect the grass

it has better matches on it then all the other surfaces

:lol:

No. Rebound Ace.

*Ljubica*
06-03-2006, 07:36 PM
It is the only major/master series event in England so I can understand why it is mentioned. It is the best chance most in England have of visiting a top tennis event.

Not sure why American commentators are talking about it all the time.
I guess because they have more chance of an American winner at Wimbedon than they have on the clay!! Roddick has been a finalist there a couple of times so I suppose it generates more interest there.

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 07:39 PM
Not sure why American commentators are talking about it all the time.
Because they don't have any great players on the stuff and it's not as interesting for them as Wimbledon.

Pigpen Stinks
06-03-2006, 07:56 PM
I wasn't listening to too much of the commentary since I watched the match on a slight delay and fast forwarded between most of the points. I could see that being annoying. I agree that the American media tend to blow off the French, in large part because we don't have many good clay courters, particularly on the men's side.

However, I think the media, and tennis public in general over here have always looked at Wimbledon as the ultimate major just because of all the tradition. The US Open is probably a fairly close 2nd for most just because it's our country's national championship. The French and Australian are a distant 3rd and 4th. I would guess in France it's probably the same with the US and Australian being way behind in importance. Maybe our French friends can share their opinion. Perhaps you view the French as a clear #1 followed by Wimbledon? And the Aussies, I would think look at the French and US as the distant 3rd and 4th.

Deboogle!.
06-03-2006, 08:10 PM
Folks there is a reason why the grass court season is only 5 seconds long... No one gives a fcuk! Stop talking about it!!!Do you forget that tennis began on grass??

It's cool and all not to like it and stuff, but seriously, people on here preach about being "Real tennis fans" and whatever based on who they cheer for or not, but certainly all tennis fans remember and realize the impact and importance the grass had in the history of tennis? :)

NicoFan
06-03-2006, 08:14 PM
Do you forget that tennis began on grass??

It's cool and all not to like it and stuff, but seriously, people on here preach about being "Real tennis fans" and whatever based on who they cheer for or not, but certainly all tennis fans remember and realize the impact and importance the grass had in the history of tennis? :)

Ahhh geez Deb...you're taking on the fun out of making fun of grass! :haha:

But yes, you are right...grass has its place in the history of the game.

Although too bad it can't just be part of the history of the game...like wooden racquets. ;) :lol:

Sorry Deb... you know I like you. :hug:

A big :woohoo: for the upcoming GRASS season. :cool:

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 08:19 PM
Do you forget that tennis began on grass??

It's cool and all not to like it and stuff, but seriously, people on here preach about being "Real tennis fans" and whatever based on who they cheer for or not, but certainly all tennis fans remember and realize the impact and importance the grass had in the history of tennis? :)
Nobody denies the importance of grass. ;)
But let's be serious: how would you react if people started chatting about clay tennis during a grass match. Those are two completely different styles of playing.

Right now, it's clay season. So, apart from the occasional comparison or two ;), I say: stick to the clay. Nothing more annoying than commentators that are talking about anything except for the match in front of them.
There's a time for everything: in about a week we can all :worship: the grass. :)

Fee
06-03-2006, 08:36 PM
Perhaps they were discussing Nadal at Wimbledon specifically because it is the only surface missing from his resume. Perhaps that discussion wasn't about the tournament but about the player? Perhaps they want Nadal to succeed on grass so that other tennis types will stop talking about him as they guy who amasses points on one surface?

Nah, that would make too much sense.

Chloe le Bopper
06-03-2006, 08:44 PM
Not sure it makes sense to have that discussion when any old player is out there, but during Nadal's matches it sort of makes sense. There is only so much that you can say about his play on clay. If you're looking to have an actual discussion about him, his transition to faster surfaces needs to be discussed.

Chloe le Bopper
06-03-2006, 08:46 PM
Perhaps they were discussing Nadal at Wimbledon specifically because it is the only surface missing from his resume. Perhaps that discussion wasn't about the tournament but about the player? Perhaps they want Nadal to succeed on grass so that other tennis types will stop talking about him as they guy who amasses points on one surface?

Nah, that would make too much sense.
Dear mods and admins,

Please have this member banned immediately for creating such a preposterous post.

Thank you.

blosson
06-03-2006, 08:53 PM
:banana: Can't wait for the grass season, matches are short and you can live life besides shouting at the TV or scoboard! :lol:

NicoFan
06-03-2006, 08:56 PM
I think that maybe everyone here is taking this just a bit too seriously?

We all have our favorites...and of course, we usually will then like the surface that they are best on.

Personally, I enjoy the different surfaces (like the change of seasons ;) :lol: ) but prefer clay because my favorites are better than clay.

On both sides it can be something that is a fun rivalry - something I enjoy with my clay court snob remarks. But really its nothing I get all serious about - just like I don't go insane over the Sox/Yanks rivalry - just join in the spirit of fun of the rivalry.

During clay season, the hardcourt/grass players forums threads reflected the general dislike of clay of their members. ;) And now during grass/hardcourt season, the clay players forum threads will reflect the general dislike of grass/maybe hardcourt of their members. ;)

And I love Wimbledon...I haven't been to many tournaments, but have been to my fair share, and going into Wimbledon was like going into the cathedral of tennis. A little too much green for my liking and thought a little orange would spruce things up...but hey that's just me. ;) :lol:

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 08:58 PM
I think that maybe everyone here is taking this just a bit too seriously?
:haha: That could be the slogan of MTF.

surfpinky
06-03-2006, 09:05 PM
I'm trying to watch the Nadal-PHM match but every five seconds either John or Mary > if Nadal would beef up his serve then he could play at Wimbledon; less topsin... play at Wimbledon; better volleys... play at Wimbledon.

And they do this all the time with every player at every tournament... the Austrailian Open is going on and already they're talking about Wimbledon.

Folks there is a reason why the grass court season is only 5 seconds long... No one gives a fcuk! Stop talking about it!!!
maybe they were talking about it because nadal wants to win wimbledon? they were giving him tips, jeez. d:

and for all of those that don't give a crap about wimbledon...I don't know what to say to you because as tennis fans, we should like all surfaces...all surfaces have produced great matches :yeah:

cobalt60
06-03-2006, 09:07 PM
I think I am more irritated ( or should I say allergic)by some of the hypocrites here than the grass. I echo you Nat-all sufaces have a place; past, present and future.

NicoFan
06-03-2006, 09:12 PM
:haha: That could be the slogan of MTF.

Indeed. :lol:

I know better than to come to GM but its raining and I'm bored.

And hey with all this riveting reading about the important tennis issues facing the sport - like the great banana-gamesmanship debate - how can I possibly not be hooked again? ;)

Fee
06-03-2006, 09:36 PM
Dear mods and admins,

Please have this member banned immediately for creating such a preposterous post.

Thank you.

Oh please can I stay, pretty please with sugar on top?

Metis
06-04-2006, 12:45 AM
It was a bit excessive I agree, but I prefer those 2 (esp. J. Mac) to all
the other commentators at ESPN. At least Johnny Mac is entertaining
and some of his comments are truly hilarious (like why PHM's coach doesn't
have hair on his head any more :lol: ) whereas the others are usually boring
and sometimes make stupid and bizarre comments.
Not to mention Dick Enberg's poetic ...licence to kill !!! :smash:

scoobs
06-04-2006, 12:49 AM
Can be annoying the way they go on about the grass - I realise for British fans, especially casual fans, tennis about Wimbledon but it does become a bit tedious when you're following the whole season and the commentators seem to want to discuss absolutely everything with respect to how it might impact Wimbledon. Hello - broader perspective please. Personally I expect Wimbledon, much as I love it, to be much less interesting then the French Open this year.

Fumus
06-04-2006, 12:59 AM
It is the most prestigous and well know tennis tournement in the world...so yea, when you ask people about tennis they talk about Wimbledon...so yea, you are always comparing results everywhere else to it.

Deboogle!.
06-04-2006, 02:12 AM
I mean, I can't IMAGINE why Johnny Mac would want to talk about Wimbledon whenever he gets the chance, especially during Roland Garros.....

:o

partygirl
06-04-2006, 02:38 AM
I mean, I can't IMAGINE why Johnny Mac would want to talk about Wimbledon whenever he gets the chance, especially during Roland Garros.....

:o
:haha:

the thing i hate is Carrillo keeps reiterating her take on the hingis comeback story.

she's been drowning on with practically the same words since Australia.

i think its a great story and all,
and im amazed at her comeback, but the way mary keeps telling it- and telling it makes it sound like she was some scared pussy, who left with her tail between her legs before she actually wanted to & now she's taking advantage of the lack on the women's tour.

while it might be all true- "shut up! your ruining it" its time to let her results speak now.

tangerine_dream
06-04-2006, 02:41 AM
Some of you people find fault with the weirdest things.

I don't recall MC and JM talking excessively about Wimbledon but if they did perhaps it was because Rafael himself has said that he would love to do well on grass and win Wimbledon one day. So their many comments about what Rafa needs to do to his game to do well on grass would make sense (and Wimbledon is just around the corner, yippee! :yippee: )

Deboogle!.
06-04-2006, 04:00 AM
I don't recall MC and JM talking excessively about Wimbledon but if they did perhaps it was because Rafael himself has said that he would love to do well on grass and win Wimbledon one day. So their many comments about what Rafa needs to do to his game to do well on grass would make sensePlease stop making sense. You know that's not allowed in GM.

morningglory
06-04-2006, 05:13 AM
grass :banana:
Grass is for cows but clay is for earthworms! :rocker2:

Federerhingis
06-04-2006, 06:44 AM
It is still considered the most prestigious trophy for any pro tennis player.

partygirl
06-04-2006, 06:54 AM
It is still considered the most prestigious trophy for any pro tennis player.
Damn right!

it's the one i want. :o :angel:

MissMoJo
06-04-2006, 06:56 AM
Wimbledon gives me the warm fuzzies, so they can talk about it as much as they want for all i care :)

Action Jackson
06-04-2006, 08:35 AM
It is still considered the most prestigious trophy for any pro tennis player.

Tell that to Mats Wilander and Yannick Noah, Thomas Muster :)

Surprise not everyone thinks Wimbledon is the greatest trophy to win. :p

*Ljubica*
06-04-2006, 11:28 AM
It is still considered the most prestigious trophy for any pro tennis player.
Not to people bought up in South America, Spain or many other parts of Europe it's not - they learn their tennis on clay, they have more TV coverage of clay court events than any others, and when they're growing up they generally see Roland Garros as the pinnacle of their achievements - ask Kuerten or Coria for example. At the end of the day it's purely a personal perspective - and although Wimbledon may be considered the most prestigious in some parts of the world and by some people (purely their own choice to which they are entitled), it is definately NOT in many others.

Boris Franz Ecker
06-04-2006, 12:21 PM
Not to people bought up in South America, Spain or many other parts of Europe it's not - they learn their tennis on clay, they have more TV coverage of clay court events than any others, and when they're growing up they generally see Roland Garros as the pinnacle of their achievements - ask Kuerten or Coria for example. At the end of the day it's purely a personal perspective - and although Wimbledon may be considered the most prestigious in some parts of the world and by some people (purely their own choice to which they are entitled), it is definately NOT in many others.

Coria, Kuerten... stupid and inadequate examples.

Wimbledon is definitely considered the most prestigious title in tennis in the world and therefore it is.
You can read this on Roland Garros web page, spanish encyclopaedia or million times everywhere.

Personal opinions don't count.

Especially from guys like Coria or Kuerten.
Wilander is the only relevant player who denies that Wimbledon is no 1. Wilanders Wimbledon record is desastrous, so forget it.
Edberg and Borg know it better although they had better results at other slams.
True champions don't seek any excuses.

*Ljubica*
06-04-2006, 12:26 PM
Coria, Kuerten... stupid and inadequate examples.

Wimbledon is definitely considered the most prestigious title in tennis in the world and therefore it is.
You can read this on Roland Garros web page, spanish encyclopaedia or million times everywhere.

Personal opinions don't count.

Especially from guys like Coria or Kuerten.
Wilander is the only relevant player who denies that Wimbledon is no 1. Wilanders Wimbledon record is desastrous, so forget it.
Edberg and Borg know it better although they had better results at other slams.
True champions don't seek any excuses.
:rolleyes: So guess your personal opinion doesn't count either - and I'm sure Coria and Kuerten will lose so much sleep over your very personal opinion about them and their abilities, just as I will over your dismissal of my words as being "stupid and inadequate" :wavey: Oh - and by the way - you don't always have to believe what you read - esecially as most of it will be the personal opinion of the writer!!!

Monteque
06-04-2006, 01:21 PM
Rafael himself has said that he would love to do well on grass and win Wimbledon one day.

:haha: :haha:
Actually it still broad daylight :(

Everyone that disavows Wimbly the most precious thropy above all is just like deny the own history of tennis itself that's why there's/are player(s) willing to pass French just for Wimbly interest.

Boris Franz Ecker
06-04-2006, 01:23 PM
:rolleyes: So guess your personal opinion doesn't count either - and I'm sure Coria and Kuerten will lose so much sleep over your very personal opinion about them and their abilities, just as I will over your dismissal of my words as being "stupid and inadequate" :wavey: Oh - and by the way - you don't always have to believe what you read - esecially as most of it will be the personal opinion of the writer!!!

"Wimbledon is most prestigious" is not only an opinion, it's general knowledge. Also in South America and Spain. No need to dispute that.
That south american or spanish players can't win it doesn't change this.
Because they can't win it, names like Coria/Kuerten are stupid/bad/inadequate example in this context.
Besides I don't think Kuerten/Coria has ever said that Roland Garros is the biggest title. Maybe he said it's _his_ biggest goal, _his_ biggest wish, etc..., cause everything else is unlikely. But that's only _his_ preference for obvious reasons.
Agassi, Borg, Sampras, Lendl, Becker, McEnroe... that would be Ok (everyone can be qouted with a statement in favour of Wimbledon), even Nadal, etc. Players who can/could win other (slam) titles.

dkw
06-04-2006, 01:30 PM
Sorry folks about venting-off yesterday...but several beers and hangover later I'm now calm, cool and collected :)

And to be honest I actually like Mary and John and even like Wimbledon as much as I like the other slams. My problem though is that Mary and John have a definite bias as to how the game should be played - moving forward and finishing points at the net - and nowadays the only place a strategy like that is going to be fully rewarded is at Wimbledon so they talk about it none stop.

The point I was trying to get across that probably got lost in my venting is why would players change their entire game plan to suit grass when that season last less than a month. Yeah everyone should learn to volley better... I should learn how to volley better but the modern game is played from the backcourt and Mary and John just have to get use to it.

cobalt60
06-04-2006, 01:34 PM
Now wouldn't it be a kick if a "south american" player won it? I am thinking Gonzalez and Nalbandian have the best chance of any of the SA 's. Then I bet they would think of it as "the most prestigious". Personally I could care less. Tennis is just plain fun these days.

NicoFan
06-04-2006, 02:19 PM
Sorry folks about venting-off yesterday...but several beers and hangover later I'm now calm, cool and collected :)

And to be honest I actually like Mary and John and even like Wimbledon as much as I like the other slams. My problem though is that Mary and John have a definite bias as to how the game should be played - moving forward and finishing points at the net - and nowadays the only place a strategy like that is going to be fully rewarded is at Wimbledon so they talk about it none stop.

The point I was trying to get across that probably got lost in my venting is why would players change their entire game plan to suit grass when that season last less than a month. Yeah everyone should learn to volley better... I should learn how to volley better but the modern game is played from the backcourt and Mary and John just have to get use to it.

:lol: Glad your hangover is better! :yeah:

I like Mary and John too - but you're right about their bias. (And do you remember in the 90s when John and Martina N. wanted to go back to wooden racquets because they didn't like the tech changes that the power of the new racquets gave to the game?)

The game has changed over the years...and will change again. I think that the way Rafa plays the game could change the style of play that the players coming up are going to play.

And its all good! :lol:

As for Wimbledon, when I was younger and watching the days of the Connors/Mac/Borg era, it was The Tournament with Center Court as the Cathedral of tennis. But I really believe that has changed also because the vast majority of players today aren't exposed to grass when they are growing up. I think both sides...clay and hardcourt players...have trouble playing the surface. There are of course exceptions.

And yes, Wimbledon is still important - its a Slam! Yes, it is part of the history of the game. And I don't want to see it go even though I joke about changing it over to clay. :lol: But I don't see it as The Tournament that it used to be. Definitely clay players don't see it as The Tournament. They see RG as The Tournament. But I still want to see my clay players play the surface and try to get good on it. They should be able to play ALL surfaces.

For the record, I've been to Wimbledon, and loved it, even though I don't like the style of game that wins on grass. It has the most beautiful grounds that I have ever seen, they treat the fans wonderfully, and I even loved standing in line every day in the queue. And I would go back in a heartbeat if I could find the money.

dkw
06-04-2006, 02:33 PM
LMAO at wooden racquets... I have one I think I'll go hit some balls with it today. Hopefully I don't lose an eye or get tennis elbow.

DrJules
06-04-2006, 08:07 PM
The game has changed over the years...and will change again. I think that the way Rafa plays the game could change the style of play that the players coming up are going to play.



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The future of tennis; standing a long way behind baseline, excessive top spin, return ball until somebody makes error, and going "oink" "oink" "oink" "oink" "oink" "oink" "Vamos" for every point.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

NicoFan
06-04-2006, 08:11 PM
:help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help: :help:

The future of tennis; standing a long way behind baseline, excessive top spin, return ball until somebody makes error, and going "oink" "oink" "oink" "oink" "oink" "oink" "Vamos" for every point.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Please don't say mean things about Rafa...I really like the kid. And he's just a kid, and a nice one at that ...he doesn't deserve the stuff people say about him here. Of course no player deserves the mean stuff people say about them here. :sad:

And I like his style of play....my preference and obviously many others too.

If you don't like it fine....but no need to be mean about it.