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Disrespectful French Crowd....Redeems Itself

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:24 PM
But what's new.

vincayou
06-03-2006, 06:25 PM
You want to speak about the hooligans of your country?

Scotso
06-03-2006, 06:25 PM
Mathieu is French, wtf do you expect?

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:26 PM
You want to speak about the hooligans of your country?

Didn't realise we were talking about football 'fans.'

oneandonlyhsn
06-03-2006, 06:26 PM
Mathieu is French, wtf do you expect?

Same story as JBlock at the US Open. Big deal

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:27 PM
Mathieu is French, wtf do you expect?

They are just as disrespectful to their own players at times too.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:27 PM
Same story as JBlock at the US Open. Big deal

It's not the same thing at all.

morningglory
06-03-2006, 06:28 PM
:haha: RG is the worst in terms of spectators... nothing new... and it's not only for their players too, take a look at Serena Vs Justine; Justine lied about putting up her hand, and the French crowd cheered for her. They have no integrity at all. :ras:

Chocobo
06-03-2006, 06:28 PM
There's an incredible match out there...Mind speaking tennis?

oneandonlyhsn
06-03-2006, 06:28 PM
:haha: RG is the worst in terms of spectators... nothing new... and it's not only for their players too, take a look at Serena Vs Justine; Justine lied about putting up her hand, and the French crowd cheered for her. They have no integrity at all. :ras:

Poor Serena :haha:

vincayou
06-03-2006, 06:28 PM
Didn't realise we were talking about football 'fans.'

If you can't understand that people are cheering for a minnow from their country, sorry can't do anything for you.

ufokart
06-03-2006, 06:29 PM
Another thread about the french crowd? :o

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:29 PM
:haha: RG is the worst in terms of spectators... nothing new... and it's not only for their players too, take a look at Serena Vs Justine; Justine lied about putting up her hand, and the French crowd cheered for her. They have no integrity at all. :ras:

The French tennis crowd is shocking. I would love to hear the players' 'off-the-record' remarks about it.

Damita
06-03-2006, 06:29 PM
Mathieu is French, wtf do you expect?
It is not really about who's playing. They whistle at every player who dares check a mark on clay, they whistle for any little thing. :rolleyes:
I'm French and I hate that. And it's even worse when you're sitting among them and they're booing and whistling for nothing and you just want to :smash: them so that they shut it up.

Guy Forget is commenting, and since the beginning the match he said a few times "why are they whistling? it's wrong, he has the right to check if it's in or out"

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:30 PM
If you can't understand that people are cheering for a minnow from their country, sorry can't do anything for you.

They boo more often than they cheer.

Is it Nadal's fault that Mathieu keeps missing the lines and the lines people don't call it.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:30 PM
It is not really about who's playing. They whistle at every player who dares check a mark on clay, they whistle for any little thing. :rolleyes:
I'm French and I hate that. And it's even worse when you're sitting among them and they're booing and whistling for nothing and you just want to :smash: them so that they shut it up.

Guy Forget is commenting, and since the beginning the match he said a few times "why are they whistling? it's wrong, he has the right to check if it's in or out"

Well said Guy. :)

jacobhiggins
06-03-2006, 06:31 PM
The thing Nadal did would put any crowd through the roof though.

booa
06-03-2006, 06:31 PM
:haha: RG is the worst in terms of spectators... nothing new... and it's not only for their players too, take a look at Serena Vs Justine; Justine lied about putting up her hand, and the French crowd cheered for her. They have no integrity at all. :ras:

you seem to be obsessed with that crowd! :unsure:

Xristos
06-03-2006, 06:32 PM
Thats life...it happens....

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:32 PM
The thing Nadal did would put any crowd through the roof though.

No way was he trying to gain an advantage. He delayed himself when serving for the set ultimately.

tangerine_dream
06-03-2006, 06:33 PM
Mathieu is French, wtf do you expect?
Weren't you the one bitching and moaning about the 15 people who made up the J-Block last year?

But you have no problem with an entire crowd cheering for their guy like it was a soccer match and jeering and booing the defending champion "guest"?

Damita
06-03-2006, 06:34 PM
Here they said he kinda choked after he ate a piece of banana :o

sampaio
06-03-2006, 06:34 PM
you seem to be obsessed with that crowd! :unsure:

Yeah maybe his girlfriend left him for some frenchman and now is angry about us :shrug:

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:35 PM
Here they said he kinda choked after he ate a piece of banana :o

Yeah it looked like that.

morningglory
06-03-2006, 06:36 PM
Yeah maybe his girlfriend left him for some frenchman and now is angry about us :shrug:
actually ever since the Serena match ironically... :lol: I was a Serena fan back then, but she doesn't play too much now so I've gone on to have other faves... Also I still hate them for booing Andy the other day

booa
06-03-2006, 06:37 PM
Yeah maybe his girlfriend left him for some frenchman and now is angry about us :shrug:
;) va savoir!

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:37 PM
actually ever since the Serena match ironically... :lol: I was a Serena fan back then, but she doesn't play too much now so I've gone on to have other faves... Also I still hate them for booing Andy the other day

Everyone has been booed unfairly by them.

And MBF, when you say 'he's french, wtf do you expect' I would remind you of Leconte in the '88 final.

Shaz
06-03-2006, 06:40 PM
Yeah maybe his girlfriend left him for some frenchman and now is angry about us :shrug:

:lol:

Damita
06-03-2006, 06:41 PM
Everyone has been booed unfairly by them.

And MBF, when you say 'he's french, wtf do you expect' I would remind you of Leconte in the '88 final.
good point. And add Mary Pierce, and Pioline... the French public gave them some hard time in their career

booa
06-03-2006, 06:41 PM
actually ever since the Serena match ironically... :lol: I was a Serena fan back then, but she doesn't play too much now so I've gone on to have other faves... Also I still hate them for booing Andy the other day

oh ok that's why i see you in every thread bashing the french, maybe you should stop watching RG :confused:

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:42 PM
good point. And add Mary Pierce, and Pioline... the French public gave them some hard time in their career

It's no coincidence Mauresmo is scared to play in her own country, in front of this crowd.

morningglory
06-03-2006, 06:43 PM
oh ok that's why i see you in every thread bashing the french, maybe you should stop watching RG :confused:
when no French, or French-speaking-Belgian is playing, they are fine ;)

morningglory
06-03-2006, 06:43 PM
It's no coincidence Mauresmo is scared to play in her own country, in front of this crowd.
they cheer for her like mad tho... but that's doing more harm than good since her nerves couldn't take it

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:45 PM
they cheer for her like mad tho... but that's doing more harm than good since her nerves couldn't take it

They cheer for their players when they are winning.

If Mathieu had choked here from 2 sets up, he would have been booed out of the country.

As one poster wanted to talk about football, Thierry Henry says French football fans give poor support to their teams also.

booa
06-03-2006, 06:48 PM
As one poster wanted to talk about football, Thierry Henry says French football fans give poor support to their teams also.
yeah and less money too! :o
those football players are really annoying

Damita
06-03-2006, 06:49 PM
It's no coincidence Mauresmo is scared to play in her own country, in front of this crowd.
nah, Momo is well liked.

about football: it's not the team, it's the coach (that ppl don't like) and it's Barthez (as everyone, including myself, thinks Coupet deserved to be in the goal more). but different crowd anyway

booa
06-03-2006, 06:49 PM
they cheer for her like mad tho... but that's doing more harm than good since her nerves couldn't take it

fyi the French players are also booed, even Mauresmo

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:50 PM
nah, Momo is well liked.



If she chokes badly here, she will get booed.

morningglory
06-03-2006, 06:52 PM
fyi the French players are also booed, even Mauresmo
In her match against Ivanovic last year I didn't see any booing, they were behind her til the last point... but get this... when she lost, sometime after the FFT said she was an embarassment to French tennis... but they didn't boo her during the match as far as I can remember. but the match was close until the last game when she DF'ed on MP

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 06:57 PM
Mathieu is as bad as the crowd.

booa
06-03-2006, 06:57 PM
In her match against Ivanovic last year I didn't see any booing, they were behind her til the last point... but get this... when she lost, sometime after the FFT said she was an embarassment to French tennis... but they didn't boo her during the match as far as I can remember. but the match was close until the last game when she DF'ed on MP

i can't say anything for that match against ivanovic
but i do remember that she was booed in the past

Damita
06-03-2006, 07:05 PM
If she chokes badly here, she will get booed.
not sure. And even if they boo her on the moment, she'll still be loved. Because her results are good anyway AND beause she's a very nice and simple girl. :)
Leconte has always been a whiner, and he has too much of an ego. Even today and really there's noting to do but laughing at him :o
Pierce had difficulties at the beginning. But she didn't speak French very well at the time, and I think it was mostly a misunderstanding. She had grown up in a different culture, so she wasn't always acting as expected by the crowd, and she didn't always understand what the crowd wanted either. Now she says she feels perfectly well about it.
Pioline was the best of the french colony at some point, but he's always been quite 'cold' you know, he didn't like much doing all the 'communication/promotion' part of his job, which didn't help build his image... it's funny how he now works for France Television during RG, and he is the directo of AMS Bercy which forces him to promote tennis ;)

The rest never really had any long-lasting problem with the crowd.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 07:08 PM
not sure. And even if they boo her on the moment, she'll still be loved. Because her results are good anyway AND beause she's a very nice and simple girl. :)
Leconte has always been a whiner, and he has too much of an ego. Even today and really there's noting to do but laughing at him :o
Pierce had difficulties at the beginning. But she didn't speak French very well at the time, and I think it was mostly a misunderstanding. She had grown up in a different culture, so she wasn't always acting as expected by the crowd, and she didn't always understand what the crowd wanted either. Now she says she feels perfectly well about it.
Pioline was the best of the french colony at some point, but he's always been quite 'cold' you know, he didn't like much doing all the 'communication/promotion' part of his job, which didn't help build his image... it's funny how he now works for France Television during RG, and he is the directo of AMS Bercy which forces him to promote tennis ;)

The rest never really had any long-lasting problem with the crowd.

They loved Leconte when he was playing well and winning. His problems with them were when they weren't happy with him losing.

I describe the French crowd as fickle.

Damita
06-03-2006, 07:16 PM
They loved Leconte when he was playing well and winning. His problems with them were when they weren't happy with him losing.

I describe the French crowd as fickle.
in the match vs Wilander, they booed him in his final speech because he acted like a whiner, and it's something you can hardly accept from someone who, whether winning or losing, is living a very good life you know.
And it's still like that today :rolleyes: He's showing off, trying to look cool etc, but all he is doing really is making himself look ridiculous. :shrug:

But apart from the case of Leconte, I agree with you anyway, there's something very annoying with them booing all the time for nothing. And there are a lot of French MTF posters who think the same. It's something that annoys us all and that we don't understand.
And like I said it's even worse when you're there among those :retard:ed ppl and you feel like it's you vs the rest of them :unsure:

Alisa
06-03-2006, 07:28 PM
i think it's not only about french spectators. it all over the world. tennis crowd becomes less polite. sometimes it remains more football match. that is sad. it's not the same kind of sport as hockey and football.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 07:34 PM
Sorry but this crowd is a fucking disgrace!!

NicoFan
06-03-2006, 07:35 PM
BOOOOO to the French crowd for booing Rafa.

morningglory
06-03-2006, 07:37 PM
yep they booed Nadal when he won... and whistled too...

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 07:37 PM
Glad I don't have coverage anymore. I can't believe they're booing him while they have just provided the crowd with 293 minutes of tennis and a lot of suspense. Awful.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 07:38 PM
Nadal must be thinking the same as the rest of us....

'Wankers!'

hablovah19
06-03-2006, 07:38 PM
:yawn:

tangerine_dream
06-03-2006, 07:38 PM
And for the piece de resistance: the classy French crowd actually boos Nadal after a long hard-fought classic match.

So much for RG being made up of knowledgable tennis fans.

Damita
06-03-2006, 07:38 PM
BOOOOO to the French crowd for booing Rafa.
yep, only a part of them, but this is still so lame :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

morningglory
06-03-2006, 07:40 PM
yep, only a part of them, but this is still so lame :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
yeah the camera shows most clapping politely, but the boos far drained out the sound

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 07:41 PM
yep, only a part of them, but this is still so lame :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Same with so many things. The minority lets down the majority. But I think it is a rather sizeable and extremely vocal minority in Paris sadly.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 07:42 PM
:yawn:

I think their poor behaviour should be mentioned every time it happens. Maybe one day then they will be shamed into changing.

But I suppose that is just wishful thinking.

nobama
06-03-2006, 07:44 PM
There was no reason to boo Nadal. That was bad. But one of the NBC announcers said earlier in the 4th set something about "Nadal not being used to this". Not sure if they were referring to the crowd or what.

star
06-03-2006, 07:44 PM
But what's new.

It's pariotic and charming from the French.

Now if this were the USO, it would be disgustingly jingoistic and loutish, drunken behavior. :p

Damita
06-03-2006, 07:44 PM
And for the piece de resistance: the classy French crowd actually boos Nadal after a long hard-fought classic match.

So much for RG being made up of knowledgable tennis fans.
Who said that? knowledgeable tennis fans are in minority in RG. Tickets are hard to get. The VIP boxes are full of rich ppl going to RG only because it's "the place where to be in May-June", cuz it's so cool to say you were there, and even cooler if ppl saw you on tv :rolleyes:

congrats Rafa anyway, and happy birthday! no booing in my livingroom I swear :p
and congrats Paulo too :yeah: nice fight from the 2, thank you guys

Clara Bow
06-03-2006, 07:45 PM
And for the piece de resistance: the classy French crowd actually boos Nadal after a long hard-fought classic match.

So much for RG being made up of knowledgable tennis fans.


They just flat out suck,

sampaio
06-03-2006, 07:45 PM
That was pathetic.
I'm so disapointed about our crowd.

djul
06-03-2006, 07:46 PM
this crowd is definitly the worst ever! they are soooooooooooooo STUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIID!
they know nothing about tennis and about sport, I really don't understand them , I pity them! :rolleyes:

Nadal :worship: thank you
Mathieu :worship: thank you

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 07:46 PM
It's pariotic and charming from the French.

Now if this were the USO, it would be disgustingly jingoistic and loutish, drunken behavior. :p

I hope your sarcasm isn't wasted on any posters. :)

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 07:47 PM
Nadal :worship: thank you
Mathieu :worship: thank you

Agreed.

star
06-03-2006, 07:47 PM
They loved Leconte when he was playing well and winning. His problems with them were when they weren't happy with him losing.

I describe the French crowd as fickle.

The French crowd booed (really booed!) Leconte when he lost the final... guy was a good, although not stellar, serve and volley player, and they booed him simply because he didn't win. Crazy stuff.

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 07:48 PM
So much for RG being made up of knowledgable tennis fans.
:shrug: I don't think anybody said that. The Australian fans are probably the most classy and polite (which doesn't necessarily equal 'knowledgeable').

It's really sad though. All commentators, even the french ones complain about it on tv. What can you do?

Damita
06-03-2006, 07:51 PM
:shrug: I don't think anybody said that. The Australian fans are probably the most classy and polite (which doesn't necessarily equal 'knowledgeable').agreed

It's really sad though. All commentators, even the french ones complain about it on tv. What can you do?
And it's a good thing. The more they complain about it on tv, the more chances we have that people will stop doing it. Hopefully.

Socket
06-03-2006, 08:02 PM
The French tennis crowd is shocking. I would love to hear the players' 'off-the-record' remarks about it.
Boos from the RG crowd are so common that I doubt it's disconcerting for any player by now. That's not an excuse for the crowd's behavior, but I just think the players expect boorish behavior by now and shrug it off.

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 08:05 PM
Boos from the RG crowd are so common that I doubt it's disconcerting for any player by now. That's not an excuse for the crowd's behavior, but I just think the players expect boorish behavior by now and shrug it off.
I think they don't really care during the match, when they're doing it because one or the other checked a mark or made the umpire have a look.
But I think it must sting a little when they boo you when you are leaving the court and thanking the crowd. :tape:
On the other hand there are still plenty of polite people clapping so maybe they don't really mind.

Damita
06-03-2006, 08:17 PM
Boos from the RG crowd are so common that I doubt it's disconcerting for any player by now. That's not an excuse for the crowd's behavior, but I just think the players expect boorish behavior by now and shrug it off.
I agree. Safin just shrugs and has sort of a "talk to the end" attitude that I like so much :lol: he knows they'll chant his name at the next killer backhand he plays anyway ;)
And I remember Hewitt in 2002 (Bercy, not RG) saying he didn't care, that it was working the opposite way with him: the more they booed the more he wanted to win :devil: and he won

But like Ulrike said, I doubt they appreciate being booed at during their speech or when waving at the crowd.
I hate it even more when they booed during speeches or when the players are thanking them (!!!) at the end of the match. It's really dumb. :rolleyes:

suertelina
06-03-2006, 08:20 PM
this crowd is definitly the worst ever! they are soooooooooooooo STUUUUUUUPIIIIIIIIID!
they know nothing about tennis and about sport, I really don't understand them , I pity them! :rolleyes:

I agree with you, I am ashamed. Fortunately the crowd is not always like that, and at other moments, it can be really amazing.
But today it was :smash: :smash: Rafa stoped to sign autographs and I'm impressed by that.

Socket
06-03-2006, 08:21 PM
I agree. Safin just shrugs and has sort of a "talk to the end" attitude that I like so much :lol: he knows they'll chant his name at the next killer backhand he plays anyway ;)
And I remember Hewitt in 2002 (Bercy, not RG) saying he didn't care, that it was working the opposite way with him: the more they booed the more he wanted to win :devil: and he won

But like Ulrike said, I doubt they appreciate being booed at during their speech or when waving at the crowd.
I hate it even more when they booed during speeches or when the players are thanking them (!!!) at the end of the match. It's really dumb. :rolleyes:
Lleyton is definitely a good example of a player who feeds off crowd hostility. But some of the women seem to take boos to heart, I think.

Who was the player (a woman?) who got booed during her (?) acceptance speech because she (?) mentioned some sponsors? I have only a vague recollection of this incident.

LadyNalbandian
06-03-2006, 08:22 PM
all crowd is allways like this when a "home guy" plays. in estoril when the portuguese gil was playing with nalbandian some guys calls balls out (it makes me remembering us open crowd in 2003), make a lot of noise and even calls "penalties". i though i was in a football game instead of a tennis match

vincayou
06-03-2006, 08:22 PM
Yeah let's have a go at French people. Seriously, if some people could stop whining at this, it's hardly bad. They boo, so what, players should shrug it off.

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 08:27 PM
Who was the player (a woman?) who got booed during her (?) acceptance speech because she (?) mentioned some sponsors? I have only a vague recollection of this incident.
Mary Pierce last year..? But it has happened before. That's just another french thing.
When Marat won Paris Bercy they whistled too when he mentioned the sponsors. Weird stuff.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 08:27 PM
all crowd is allways like this when a "home guy" plays. in estoril when the portuguese gil was playing with nalbandian some guys calls balls out (it makes me remembering us open crowd in 2003), make a lot of noise and even calls "penalties". i though i was in a football game instead of a tennis match

Not true. The French crowd is notoriously bad.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 08:29 PM
Yeah let's have a go at French people. Seriously, if some people could stop whining at this, it's hardly bad. They boo, so what, players should shrug it off.

You should shrug off criticism of your poorly behaved crowds.

If I was Nadal I wouldn't have signed a single autograph.

NYCtennisfan
06-03-2006, 08:33 PM
After the first set and the first few games in the 2nd set, the crowd hardly even clapped when Nadal hit some great shots, won games, etc.

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 08:33 PM
If I was Nadal I wouldn't have signed a single autograph.
All the more credit to him.

Vincajou, nobody is blaming 'all the French people' blah blah. It's always a small percentage that seem to think it's funny and entertaining to whistle and stir up the pot a little. It's probably the people that are seated pretty far away from the court too and that bought tickets purely for the amusement.
They might not even be real tennis fans.

I can't imagine a person that genuinely appreciates tennis and goes to RG as a fan booing another player.

*edit* It happens everywhere. Every year at the PDG (wta) in Antwerp there are a number of people showing up that have NO clue about tennis. They're loud, have no idea when to clap or shut up. For instance: they will clap when players hit double faults.
Those people are just there because of the fun, they don't really care about the tennis. For them, it doesn't matter who the other player is, all that matters is that it's not 'our' Kim or Justine.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 08:34 PM
After the first set and the first few games in the 2nd set, the crowd hardly even clapped when Nadal hit some great shots, won games, etc.

I know, that was bad enough. The booing during and after the match was a disgrace, whatever some of the posters here say.

NYCtennisfan
06-03-2006, 08:37 PM
The booing at the end after Nadal won was beyond classless.

vincayou
06-03-2006, 08:38 PM
You should shrug off criticism of your poorly behaved crowds.

If I was Nadal I wouldn't have signed a single autograph.

And you wouldn't have taken the money at the end of the tournament?

In a perfect world, all the stadium would have applauded at the end. Don't understand why some people are booing but sincerely I don't really care.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 08:40 PM
And you wouldn't have taken the money at the end of the tournament?

In a perfect world, all the stadium would have applauded at the end. Don't understand why some people are booing but sincerely I don't really care.

Honestly, if I was treated that way I'd boycott an event. I would have no interest in playing for and entertaining that crowd.

vincayou
06-03-2006, 08:42 PM
I probably would react differently if it was someone else than betterthanhenman who had started this thread.

A guy who seems concerned by respect for tennis players and class in general but called Monfils a 'sack of shit' very recently. Classy indeed. :lol:

Damita
06-03-2006, 08:44 PM
Lleyton is definitely a good example of a player who feeds off crowd hostility. But some of the women seem to take boos to heart, I think.

Who was the player (a woman?) who got booed during her (?) acceptance speech because she (?) mentioned some sponsors? I have only a vague recollection of this incident.
This happens every year. We've discussed it last year I remember. It's because in France we don't like to talk about money. And thanking the sponsors is like saying thanks for the money they get, or that the ITF/ATP/WTA get etc... I know what you may say, that sponsors are necessary and are parts of the sport, and I agree, but it's just not in our culture. We prefer the players to make their speech "emotions and efforts" only: thanking the opponent, thanking the coach/team/family, thanking the judges for their work, thanking the ballkids, thanking the crowd... all what can be concretely seen...
sponsors mean money, and we don't want money to ruin the moment. I know it makes no sense for most non French ppl, but that's part of our culture and of our relation to money in general (not just i sport competition), we do not talk about it.
You can understand or not, I personally think it's hypocritical, but that's the way it is. But it has nothing to do with the players doing the speech, so it's not directed at them really, and it's actually not meant to be harmful, it's more like "yeah, yeah, Peugeot, BNP Paribas, yeah :rolleyes: ... say a word on the cute ballkids now! :p"

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 08:44 PM
I probably would react differently if it was someone else than betterthanhenman who had started this thread.

A guy who seems concerned by respect for tennis players and class in general but called Monfils a 'sack of shit' very recently. Classy indeed. :lol:

I wouldn't boo him if I was watching him though. I am entitled to say such things when I watch in my living room or in a forum such as this.

Unlike the RG crowd though, I know how to behave at tennis tournaments.

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 08:46 PM
Damita is right. In Belgium we have the same culture: you do not talk about 1. Political preference (who you vote for) and 2. Money.

Damita
06-03-2006, 08:48 PM
If I was Nadal I wouldn't have signed a single autograph.
If it had done this he wouldn't have been better than the whistlers. It's very cool that he signed for the kids. :) There are some real fans there, and there are kids that idolize Nadal and others. It's good that they're not forgotten because of the ignorant whistlers.

Socket
06-03-2006, 08:49 PM
This happens every year. We've discussed it last year I remember. It's because in France we don't like to talk about money. And thanking the sponsors is like saying thanks for the money they get, or that the ITF/ATP/WTA get etc... I know what you may say, that sponsors are necessary and are parts of the sport, and I agree, but it's just not in our culture. We prefer the players to make their speech "emotions and efforts" only: thanking the opponent, thanking the coach/team/family, thanking the judges for their work, thanking the ballkids, thanking the crowd... all what can be concretely seen...
sponsors mean money, and we don't want money to ruin the moment. I know it makes no sense for most non French ppl, but that's part of our culture and of our relation to money in general (not just i sport competition), we do not talk about it.
You can understand or not, I personally think it's hypocritical, but that's the way it is. But it has nothing to do with the players doing the speech, so it's not directed at them really, and it's actually not meant to be harmful, it's more like "yeah, yeah, Peugeot, BNP Paribas, yeah :rolleyes: ... say a word on the cute ballkids now! :p"
Personally, I think that booing a player during his/her acceptance speech ruins the moment a lot more than a simple "thank you" to the sponsors.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 08:49 PM
If it had done this he wouldn't have been better than the whistlers. It's very cool that he signed for the kids. :) There are some real fans there, and there are kids that idolize Nadal and others. It's good that they're not forgotten because of the ignorant whistlers.

It is good and applaud him for it. :) He must be more forgiving as a character than I am.

Chocobo
06-03-2006, 08:50 PM
Vincajou, nobody is blaming 'all the French people' blah blah.

Yes, except some people on these boards do!

What annoys me is that some posters just don't give a f*ck about the great match that just happened, and every post they condescend to write is aimed at blaming the crowd, and even better "the french" at a whole etc...If it can make their day...

Well, I will be in this crow tomorrow, and I promiss I'll knock-out every single perso who dares to boo anyone ;) I was ashamed enough to be there in 2003, with that jeering to Serena :o


*edit* It happens everywhere. Every year at the PDG (wta) in Antwerp there are a number of people showing up that have NO clue about tennis. They're loud, have no idea when to clap or shut up. For instance: they will clap when players hit double faults.
Those people are just there because of the fun, they don't really care about the tennis. For them, it doesn't matter who the other player is, all that matters is that it's not 'our' Kim or Justine.

Yeah, the fact is that France has a Slam, so it is really scrutinized. But I remember a Spain-France DC semi-final in Spain last year and the public's attitude was really shocking... :eek:

Damita
06-03-2006, 08:55 PM
All the more credit to him.

Vincajou, nobody is blaming 'all the French people' blah blah. It's always a small percentage that seem to think it's funny and entertaining to whistle and stir up the pot a little. It's probably the people that are seated pretty far away from the court too and that bought tickets purely for the amusement.
They might not even be real tennis fans.

Not necessary! :tape: last year, the Nadal-Grosjean match (hope I'm not opening Pandora's box here :o), people in the VIP boxes were booing too. a famous Fench actress was there, happily booing and looking very amused at what i'd call her own stupidity :rolleyes: And it happens more than we can think of it :rolleyes:
But your last sentence still applies though. And that's why I'm mad every year that tickets are so hard to get while ppl like that go there just for the fun, know shit about tennis, and spoil it for all of us :fiery:

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 08:56 PM
Not necessary! :tape: last year, the Nadal-Grosjean match (hope I'm not opening Pandora's box here :o), people in the VIP boxes were booing too. a famous Fench actress was there, happily booing and looking very amused at what i'd call her own stupidity :rolleyes: And it happens more than we can think of it :rolleyes:
But your last sentence still applies though. And that's why I'm mad every year that tickets are so hard to get while ppl like that go there just for the fun, know shit about tennis, and spoil it for all of us :fiery:

Sadly too many tickets end up in the hands of people that don't care about tennis. That happens at every major tournament around the world.

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 08:58 PM
Yeah, the fact is that France has a Slam, so it is really scrutinized. But I remember a Spain-France DC semi-final in Spain last year and the public's attitude was really shocking... :eek:
DC is always a tad worse. ;)
I felt embarrassed in september when the USA came to Belgium and Andy Roddick was booed five minutes long over an incident. :o

But some of these people are just casual tennis viewers. They just come to have a nice day and sometimes they only thing they know is that 'a french guy' is playing a 'non french guy' and that's about it. :shrug:
In Antwerp I've seen people at a Mauresmo-Molik match pointing at Molik "so who's that? Is she any good?"
At least they knew who mauresmo was. :o

star
06-03-2006, 09:00 PM
This happens every year. We've discussed it last year I remember. It's because in France we don't like to talk about money. And thanking the sponsors is like saying thanks for the money they get, or that the ITF/ATP/WTA get etc... I know what you may say, that sponsors are necessary and are parts of the sport, and I agree, but it's just not in our culture. We prefer the players to make their speech "emotions and efforts" only: thanking the opponent, thanking the coach/team/family, thanking the judges for their work, thanking the ballkids, thanking the crowd... all what can be concretely seen...
sponsors mean money, and we don't want money to ruin the moment. I know it makes no sense for most non French ppl, but that's part of our culture and of our relation to money in general (not just i sport competition), we do not talk about it.
You can understand or not, I personally think it's hypocritical, but that's the way it is. But it has nothing to do with the players doing the speech, so it's not directed at them really, and it's actually not meant to be harmful, it's more like "yeah, yeah, Peugeot, BNP Paribas, yeah :rolleyes: ... say a word on the cute ballkids now! :p"


Well, yeah... except when thanking the tournament organizers and staff, aren't they thanking the entity that is paying them a heap of money? What's the difference? I think Mary in thanking her sponsors was truly grateful they had stuck by her. Plus, it seems to be more than a little self centered to ony accept a certain kind of victory speech and not another.

And oh yeah, the crowd booed Michael Chang when he mentioned Jesus. I don't think Jesus was sponsoring him, the crowd just didn't like it. I didn't like it, but I wouldn't have booed him.

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 09:01 PM
And that's why I'm mad every year that tickets are so hard to get while ppl like that go there just for the fun, know shit about tennis, and spoil it for all of us :fiery:
:haha: Me too! I'm always looking at the half empty VIP boxes (the best seats) and how they are often occupied by people who don't seem to care about tennis.
Such a waste.

Socket
06-03-2006, 09:05 PM
Well, yeah... except when thanking the tournament organizers and staff, aren't they thanking the entity that is paying them a heap of money? What's the difference? I think Mary in thanking her sponsors was truly grateful they had stuck by her. Plus, it seems to be more than a little self centered to ony accept a certain kind of victory speech and not another.

And oh yeah, the crowd booed Michael Chang when he mentioned Jesus. I don't think Jesus was sponsoring him, the crowd just didn't like it. I didn't like it, but I wouldn't have booed him.
Well, Chang probably does think that Jesus is his sponsor, but point well taken. :haha: It's the player's moment, not the crowd's, and they should have the simple courtesy to just shut the hell up for all of two minutes, no matter what the player says.

Yappa
06-03-2006, 09:07 PM
The german Eurosport commentator (Karsten Linke) was constantly criticizing the crowd. While he gave PHM the best mark for his performance, the spectators received from him "zero points" ("Glatte Sechs").
But then again, he is pretty sarcastic. Thats why hes one of my favorite german commentators. :)

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 09:07 PM
Well, Chang probably does think that Jesus is his sponsor, but point well taken. :haha: It's the player's moment, not the crowd's, and they should have the simple courtesy to just shut the hell up for all of two minutes, no matter what the player says.

:yeah:

Damita
06-03-2006, 09:07 PM
Personally, I think that booing a player during his/her acceptance speech ruins the moment a lot more than a simple "thank you" to the sponsors.
I won't blame you for that I think the same. Besides it takes 20 seconds while with their booing they make it last as the players then feel like they have to explain their words... but the crowd knows it, and most players know this too after a few years on tour or if they asked French players about it. Like Marat, with his glorious past in Bercy he knows about it, so he smiled and apologized for doing it the last time. And the crowd booed but just not really at him, just for erm... the tradition? lol. It's become a game. Although for a young player who knows nothing about it it might sound terribly rude.

But that's a different booing than today. When they boo about the sponsors, it's because of our relation to money and it's not meant to be harmful as i said. When they boo at a player checking the mark on clay, or because he won, etc... that's just rude and :cuckoo: and i have no explanation for it

It is good and applaud him for it. :) He must be more forgiving as a character than I am.:lol: I bet he is.
I don't forgive easily either so I get your point. But there are fans there too and they shall not pay the price for a bunch of morons. And the kids shall certainly not pay the price. :)

Castafiore
06-03-2006, 09:11 PM
The german Eurosport commentator (Karsten Linke) was constantly criticizing the crowd
The Dutch Eurosport commentator said that the French crowd didn't have a clue and that they were making a fool of themselves.

Damita
06-03-2006, 09:11 PM
Well, I will be in this crow tomorrow, and I promiss I'll knock-out every single perso who dares to boo anyone ;) I was ashamed enough to be there in 2003, with that jeering to Serena :o I know the feeling. I was in the 'awful crowd' in Bercy when they booed Lleyton vs Srichaphan in 2002. It was my first time at a tournament, and in L'Equipe the next day they wrote we were an awful crowd :sobbing:
Have fun tomorrow :wavey:



Yeah, the fact is that France has a Slam, so it is really scrutinized. But I remember a Spain-France DC semi-final in Spain last year and the public's attitude was really shocking... :eek:true that

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 09:12 PM
The Dutch Eurosport commentator said that the French crowd didn't have a clue and they were making a fool of themselves.

Both commentators were absolutely right. In fact, John Lloyd for BBC was saying the same thing.

The RG crowd is ridiculed the word over and it's a shame because as I said earlier, the minority are giving the majority a bad name.

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 09:21 PM
The Dutch Eurosport commentator said that the French crowd didn't have a clue and that they were making a fool of themselves.
Carl Maes (belgian commentator) said the same, that the crowd is very inappropriate at times.

Damita
06-03-2006, 09:23 PM
Well, yeah... except when thanking the tournament organizers and staff, aren't they thanking the entity that is paying them a heap of money? What's the difference? I think Mary in thanking her sponsors was truly grateful they had stuck by her. Plus, it seems to be more than a little self centered to ony accept a certain kind of victory speech and not another. it's different because the officials run the tournament, there are the people who organize everything... they are definitely in touch with the game you know... BNP? it's a bank... Peugeot makes cars... Perrier sells water and sodas... so mentionning them is like adding something purely commercial, purely mercantilist in a moment we would like to be about the emotion only.
But you're right tho, the officials are part of the entity paying the players too. So they're part of this 'commercial' aspect.
And sponsors on the contrary, even when selling cars, help the game getting promoted etc... So they're part of the game. But on a second level.
So both are related to the game AND to money. That's why the diffference we make is hypocritical IMO.

I know it's really hard for a non-French to understand the difference, I've explained it last year after the finals and ppl had difficulties to get the point. :shrug: That's the kind of things that are typical to a country's culture I guess

And oh yeah, the crowd booed Michael Chang when he mentioned Jesus. I don't think Jesus was sponsoring him, the crowd just didn't like it. I didn't like it, but I wouldn't have booed him.
ditto :shrug:

Damita
06-03-2006, 09:28 PM
:haha: Me too! I'm always looking at the half empty VIP boxes (the best seats) and how they are often occupied by people who don't seem to care about tennis.
Such a waste.
I know! and yet you're lucky not having this stupid show on France 3 where they follow a guy in the VIP village. He talks to the actors/singers/book authors/models/jetsetters/and jetsetters wannabe he sees, and they're having lunch, and oh my! are those convos superficial :rolleyes:... and those people are the ones that take all their time to come back to their seats after lunch :rolleyes: (and you often ear the crowd sitting very high booing them for that ;))

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 09:30 PM
Thank god we still have the french camera's who seem to capture all the spectators sleeping/reading/yawning/feigning interest etc etc.. serves them right :devil:

Socket
06-03-2006, 09:32 PM
Thank god we still have the french camera's who seem to capture all the spectators sleeping/reading/yawning/feigning interest etc etc.. serves them right :devil:
:lol:

Many, many years ago, I remember watching RG (when it still called the French Open) with my mother, and the camera caught two guys playing chess during a match. :lol:

star
06-03-2006, 09:34 PM
it's different because the officials run the tournament, there are the people who organize everything... they are definitely in touch with the game you know... BNP? it's a bank... Peugeot makes cars... Perrier sells water and sodas... so mentionning them is like adding something purely commercial, purely mercantilist in a moment we would like to be about the emotion only.
But you're right tho, the officials are part of the entity paying the players too. So they're part of this 'commercial' aspect.
And sponsors on the contrary, even when selling cars, help the game getting promoted etc... So they're part of the game. But on a second level.
So both are related to the game AND to money. That's why the diffference we make is hypocritical IMO.

I know it's really hard for a non-French to understand the difference, I've explained it last year after the finals and ppl had difficulties to get the point. :shrug: That's the kind of things that are typical to a country's culture I guess


ditto :shrug:

I understand what you are saying, I just find it remarkable that the French have so much trouble with "money-grubbing" in a victory speech when the French themselves are pretty interested in money from my experience.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 09:34 PM
:lol:

Many, many years ago, I remember watching RG (when it still called the French Open) with my mother, and the camera caught two guys playing chess during a match. :lol:

At least they often focus on the stunning french women. :hearts:

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 09:36 PM
Many, many years ago, I remember watching RG (when it still called the French Open) with my mother, and the camera caught two guys playing chess during a match. :lol:
:worship:
I like it. They show the people on the big screen when they're waiting before matches or during rain delays and it's always funny to wait for the exact moment they realise it. :lol: It's fun for the kids too, they're so enthousiastic. :)

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 09:37 PM
I understand what you are saying, I just find it remarkable that the French have so much trouble with "money-grubbing" in a victory speech when the French themselves are pretty interested in money from my experience.
that's not the french, that's just about EVERYBODY :o

Socket
06-03-2006, 09:40 PM
I'm watching ESPN2's replay of the Nadal/Mathieu match, and I now think that the reason the crowd booed is because their ears were still ringing from all the grunting these two guys did during the match -- they're almost as bad as Sharapova and Seles. :eek:

DrJules
06-03-2006, 09:46 PM
I'm watching ESPN2's replay of the Nadal/Mathieu match, and I now think that the reason the crowd booed is because their ears were still ringing from all the grunting these two guys did during the match -- they're almost as bad as Sharapova and Seles. :eek:

The men are becoming as noisy as the women. :help:

Damita
06-03-2006, 09:51 PM
I understand what you are saying, I just find it remarkable that the French have so much trouble with "money-grubbing" in a victory speech when the French themselves are pretty interested in money from my experience.
like BelgianWaffle said, that's not just the French ;)

but what seems typically French, and Belgian ;), from what I get chatting with people from other countries, is that money is a taboo in our convos. For instance it's considered rude telling people how much you earn. Same in tv shows, although it has changed a lot and media now don't hesitate saying how much X won with his last music album and how much Y won for his last movie... and I'm not even talking about football players (earnings through the roof since World Cup 1998 :p)...
but that's on tv. In regular convos with 'normal' people we don't talk about money too much and we certainly don't like saying how much we earn.

Damita
06-03-2006, 09:53 PM
I'm watching ESPN2's replay of the Nadal/Mathieu match, and I now think that the reason the crowd booed is because their ears were still ringing from all the grunting these two guys did during the match -- they're almost as bad as Sharapova and Seles. :eek:
:lol: it striked me at some moment in the match. Didn't really surprise me for Paulo, but with Rafa grunting too that was funny.

BelgianWaffle
06-03-2006, 09:54 PM
but that's on tv. In regular convos with 'normal' people we don't talk about money too much and we certainly don't like saying how much we earn.
I think that's the most impolite question you could ask someone. :tape:

star
06-03-2006, 09:58 PM
like BelgianWaffle said, that's not just the French ;)

but what seems typically French, and Belgian ;), from what I get chatting with people from other countries, is that money is a taboo in our convos. For instance it's considered rude telling people how much you earn. Same in tv shows, although it has changed a lot and media now don't hesitate saying how much X won with his last music album and how much Y won for his last movie... and I'm not even talking about football players (earnings through the roof since World Cup 1998 :p)...
but that's on tv. In regular convos with 'normal' people we don't talk about money too much and we certainly don't like saying how much we earn.

The way I was brought up it was in bad taste to talk about money or to ask someone how much something cost. (obviously not a vendor! :lol: ) I would be shocked if someone asked me how much I was paid. It's just not done. So, I don't think that's just a French custom, but pretty common in polite society. It doesn't explain to me someone booing the mention of sponsors in a victory speech. But, as you say, it's a French tradition to do so and a "game." It's fun for them to boo.

marifline
06-03-2006, 10:02 PM
I don't wan't to apologise our crowd but I think that first of all, you can't think that all the french who come to a tennis tournament is an idiot... the crowd as a mass is really stupid and unfair; even with their own, because they expect far too much from them. That's a strange relationship really but..we love our player, perhapas too much, until tje point of loosing our brain
That's the french crowd... but it has some good side, for example I was in Bercy last year and all the frenchs who won their first round on centre court won thanks to the crowd. All of them ( Mathieu, Clément and Santoro) basically said they could'nt have won without the public, if they had not been there in Paris, inf ront of this mad crowd they juts would have give up... ( and they won all in 3 sets very thought win)
So ok, chauvinistic ( VERY CHAUVINISTIC) , stupid, brainless but that's it...

I aw there at the end of the match, and I must honestly say the only person I cared for was Paulo...but I'm not a booer...

gillian
06-03-2006, 10:04 PM
I understand the crowd rooting for Mathieu, but I thought it was pretty disrespectful to boo Nadal after he'd won the match.

Rex
06-03-2006, 10:11 PM
thats the whole point of a french guy having a little advantage....

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 10:12 PM
thats the whole point of a french guy having a little advantage....

That explains the boos for Nadal after the match? :confused:

marifline
06-03-2006, 10:22 PM
That explains the boos for Nadal after the match? :confused:
I think it is turning to an obessesion for you so let's say it
FRENCH CROWD IS STUPID ! :worship:

Iheartandy&roger
06-03-2006, 10:22 PM
They've been a little ridiculous I find... but hey you aren't going to get good crowds all the time... if anything this loser crowd will get the athletes going and motivated.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 10:26 PM
I think it is turning to an obessesion for you so let's say it
FRENCH CROWD IS STUPID ! :worship:

I love France and the french people I have met when there, so am not anti-french in any way.

But the RG crowd is one of the worst.

Wednesday Addams
06-03-2006, 10:48 PM
it's different because the officials run the tournament, there are the people who organize everything... they are definitely in touch with the game you know... BNP? it's a bank... Peugeot makes cars... Perrier sells water and sodas... so mentionning them is like adding something purely commercial, purely mercantilist in a moment we would like to be about the emotion only.
But you're right tho, the officials are part of the entity paying the players too. So they're part of this 'commercial' aspect.

It's the same over here (Romania, btw). Maybe we're not as vocal about it, but it's still considered an uncool thing to do. :shrug: People will not clap during this part of the speech (and a few will whistle, too), and you better do it fast, otherwise you will be booed. :o

And I too agree that it ruins the moment a lot more than a mention of a sponsor does.

booa
06-03-2006, 11:46 PM
Yes, except some people on these boards do!
What annoys me is that some posters just don't give a f*ck about the great match that just happened, and every post they condescend to write is aimed at blaming the crowd, and even better "the french" at a whole etc...If it can make their day...


Exactly! :worship:

Jogy
06-03-2006, 11:48 PM
fucking assjerk crowd, they are really assholes to boo a winner of great match like this :fiery:

even I would not whistle against Federer or Ljubicic when they win ;)

chicky841
06-03-2006, 11:57 PM
Knew there was gonna be a thread about this. I gotta admit as much as I love RG and usually dont give a damn about the french crowd behaviour, it really bothered me today with how they treated Rafa. It wasnt all bad tho, i like the ovation they gave paulo at the end of the match...he deserved it.

shotgun
06-04-2006, 01:14 AM
The truth is that, unlike some other previous RG champions, Rafa is not much of a crowd favourite there.

scoobs
06-04-2006, 01:16 AM
The truth is that the French crowd were pulling for their man, were disappointed he lost, and perhaps felt Nadal was guilty of a bit of gamesmanship at the time he called for the trainer (which I don't believe was gamesmanship).

But by Monday the French crowd will have entirely forgotten that this happened and will be back to loving Nadal again.

betterthanhenman
06-04-2006, 01:23 AM
When was someone last booed at the end of a match at Wimbledon, the Aussie or US Open? And booed for doing absolutely nothing wrong too.

I don't remember it...maybe someone else does.

scoobs
06-04-2006, 01:30 AM
The French crowd are a lore until themselves - for some reason they think they're watching panto, not sport - it's not an audience participation sport.

I don't like the way they carry on, but I wonder what the French Open would be like without them - they are part of the atmosphere of the tournament and it was a very flat start to the tournament when the crowds were quiet and passive.

booa
06-04-2006, 01:41 AM
When was someone last booed at the end of a match at Wimbledon, the Aussie or US Open? And booed for doing absolutely nothing wrong too.

I don't remember it...maybe someone else does.

I don't remember if they had already started to boo before he called the trainer
maybe that's why they started then

Deboogle!.
06-04-2006, 01:42 AM
Ma nishtana halayla hazeh....? :yawn: :zzz:

scoobs
06-04-2006, 01:43 AM
they booed on a couple of times when Nadal queried linecalls - mostly correctly I have to say.

they booed when he called the trainer and then booed very much so when Nadal won the service game and set that he called the trainer in.

betterthanhenman
06-04-2006, 01:44 AM
they booed on a couple of times when Nadal queried linecalls - mostly correctly I have to say.

they booed when he called the trainer and then booed very much so when Nadal won the service game and set that he called the trainer in.

Mathieu's behaviour didn't help. He didn't accept calls when the ball was clearly miles out.

scoobs
06-04-2006, 01:45 AM
Quite - at times I thought Mathieu was trying to perhaps orchestrate the crowd to get on Nadal's back a little when linecalls were questioned - by feigning a lot of surprise about the query in his actions and expressions.

milica
06-04-2006, 01:46 AM
All we need is love :angel:

booa
06-04-2006, 01:50 AM
they booed on a couple of times when Nadal queried linecalls - mostly correctly I have to say.

they booed when he called the trainer and then booed very much so when Nadal won the service game and set that he called the trainer in.
yeah so nothing new with the linecalls, they almost always boo for that
but if he hadn't called the trainer i don't think that they would have booed him at the end of the match

shotgun
06-04-2006, 01:52 AM
The match today was very similar to what happened last year with Nadal against Grosjean. Remember the one-minute booing during the match and they couldn't resume playing. Grosjean was very criticized later for not doing anything to stop the crowd at that moment. Funnily enough, Nadal lost a set in that match too.

cobalt60
06-04-2006, 01:54 AM
Deb-you slay me. Just came on to support ya;)

star
06-04-2006, 01:55 AM
When was someone last booed at the end of a match at Wimbledon, the Aussie or US Open? And booed for doing absolutely nothing wrong too.

I don't remember it...maybe someone else does.

The nighttime crowd at the USO booed Rafter when he had to give up the match. It was reprehensible.

helen phillips
06-04-2006, 01:58 AM
I loved it they beat the priggish English audiences at Wimbledon any day. Adds some real fun and at least 50% of the time they are riding a player I don't like and the other 50% of the time I can complain about the terrible Roland Garros fans and how they treat whoever I'm backing at that moment. No player worth his salt is going to worry about it.

booa
06-04-2006, 01:59 AM
The match today was very similar to what happened last year with Nadal against Grosjean. Remember the one-minute booing during the match and they couldn't resume playing. Grosjean was very criticized later for not doing anything to stop the crowd at that moment. Funnily enough, Nadal lost a set in that match too.
it lasted far more than one minute :lol: :help:
but i can't even remember if they were booing the referee or Nadal

betterthanhenman
06-04-2006, 02:00 AM
I loved it they beat the priggish English audiences at Wimbledon any day. Adds some real fun and at least 50% of the time they are riding a player I don't like and the other 50% of the time I can complain about the terrible Roland Garros fans and how they treat whoever I'm backing at that moment. No player worth his salt is going to worry about it.

Whether a player worries about it is not the issue for me.

In my opinion, it demonstrates an enormous lack of respect for the players.

scoobs
06-04-2006, 02:03 AM
Sometimes I think the French do it because it's expected of them as part of the tournament's tradition.

Fish gotta swim, birds gotta fly, Roland Garros fans gotta boo unnecessarily.

Yappa
06-04-2006, 02:07 AM
it lasted far more than one minute :lol: :help:
but i can't even remember if they were booing the referee or Nadal

They were mainly booing at the referee. Everytime he announced the actual score, they booed.

booa
06-04-2006, 02:07 AM
And some posters would be very disappointed if they stop doing it!

booa
06-04-2006, 02:09 AM
They were mainly booing at the referee. Everytime he announced the actual score, they booed.

that's what i thought too
it wasn't against the players but still ridiculous

helen phillips
06-04-2006, 02:11 AM
Whether a player worries about it is not the issue for me.

In my opinion, it demonstrates an enormous lack of respect for the players.

A little more humility wouldn't hurt most of them. Their chasing a ball around not saving lives.

Yasmine
06-04-2006, 07:26 AM
This is obviously a french crowd bashing thread but I actually agree with it all :rolleyes: I feel ashamed I sat on centre court a few days ago to watch some tennis amongst such idiots who don't know what sport means.

I think their poor behaviour should be mentioned every time it happens. Maybe one day then they will be shamed into changing.

But I suppose that is just wishful thinking.
:lol: you're dreaming yes! I agree with Damita saying it's outrageous, I wonder if they know what to be sport means :shrug: But the french are well known to moan and complain and whinge just about anything and everything...(and look at my flag I can go in that category).
Watching it on tv even commentators found that booing outrageous, Damita was talking about France TV but I watched it on french ES and they were the same;) Glad there still are some people with decency around the country.

betterthanhenman
06-04-2006, 06:25 PM
Redemption from giving nothing but great support to Mauresmo. :)

*julie*
06-04-2006, 06:46 PM
Redemption from giving nothing but great support to Mauresmo. :)

Well, they knew that there was no use of booing her opponent. Amélie would have lost anyway. She's a desperate case. :tape:

betterthanhenman
06-04-2006, 06:49 PM
Well, they knew that there was no use of booing her opponent. Amélie would have lost anyway. She's a desperate case. :tape:

J'adore Amelie. :hug:

cobalt60
06-04-2006, 07:26 PM
A little more humility wouldn't hurt most of them. Their chasing a ball around not saving lives.
I have wanted to post this for months.

hablovah19
06-04-2006, 08:48 PM
Redemption from giving nothing but great support to Mauresmo. :)
Yeah, I'm glad they didn't boo her off the court or anything.

Yasmine
06-04-2006, 08:57 PM
Yeah, I'm glad they didn't boo her off the court or anything.
actually I'm pissed off at them because they were just as frozen as she was :awww: at times I was like come on get yourselves heard that's when she needs you most to make some noise!!! :o

Marine
06-04-2006, 09:28 PM
Does it bother you at all the noise from the French crowd either during the match or after? Does the reaction of the French crowd bother you at all?

RAFAEL NADAL: No, maybe the public is okay. Very good all the time. Support a lot his player. But very nice, no? I like a lot that. That's very, very nice. I have this sensation in Madrid, especially in the final. So that's very, very nice.

The public stay nice. But for me all match is good. Just when I had the problem with the banana, the public (whistling). Sorry, not my fault. And after in the finish of the match, finally he applauded me. That's good. When I finish the match, the public (whistling) too. That's not nice because we play a nice match, very good match. Maybe the public can support him a lot, but after I win. That's nice, too, no? For me is more nice. But now it's okay. The public, I stay very good. Very good, no problem.

Yasmine
06-04-2006, 09:41 PM
thanks Marine for posting that ;) :yeah:

betterthanhenman
06-04-2006, 09:43 PM
Nadal is hardly likely to publicly insult the crowd. Anyway, he did say the reaction at the end of the match was not nice.

Privately, I am sure he is unimpressed with the crowd's reaction to him.

Julio1974
06-04-2006, 09:51 PM
Today, Clijsters questioned a call when she was serving 40-0 for the match. She was right, the call was changed and she won the match. Everyone was booing her as if she had done something wrong. It was a pathetic end.

betterthanhenman
06-04-2006, 09:53 PM
Today, Clijsters questioned a call when she was serving 40-0 for the match. She was right, the call was changed and she won the match. Everyone was booing her as if she had done something wrong. It was a pathetic end.

They will always whistle in that situation. I am used to that.

But their reigning champ Nadal was whistled and booed when he acknowledged them at the end of the match. And they barely applauded his great play during the whole match. That was poor.

Marine
06-04-2006, 09:54 PM
I was at the match yesterday.
I love Paulo, and I can't bear Nadal.
It was a dream match for me as a supporter.
Well, I cheered for Paulo a lot, I didn't applaud none point of Nadal, it's just not possible for me, sorry, but I didn't boo him, not my mentality (okay, at home I insult him but well, that's different ).
At the end of the match I was a bit disapointed by the behaviour of some people, so, rare and weird thing for me, I applauded Nadal and sang him "happy birthday". Now it's okay with him.

I don't like spanish ans argentinian playes, in fact I don't like the clay players, I'd love to see a player like Federer winning in Paris, and I think lot of French think like me. That's like that. It's frustrating that every champions like MacEnroe, Edberge, Sampras or Federer never win in Roland Garros.
That doesn't explain or excuse the fact to boo Nadal, I know.

The french crowd is just really latin I think, very hotheaded. And never happy, always groaning (it's our speciality, not only in tennis).
Moreover, I suppose booing is a way to think we're victims of a unjustice. After it's easier to accept a defeat. LOL
2/3 people start to boo, and it's the snowball effect...

But, anyway, all these long passioned threads for the French, that's touching... really...We never talk about the british crowd in Wimbledon, just because there's nothing to say. Very muffled atmopshere. Just my opinion... :o

A few words about the match...Paulo made a great match, I'm proud of him. He didn't choke. Bravo Paulo :worship: And what to say...Nadal is desperating, too strong.. lol. But not unbeatable.

betterthanhenman
06-04-2006, 09:57 PM
I was at the match yesterday.
I love Paulo, and I can't bear Nadal.
It was a dreal match for me as a supporter.
Well, I cheered for Paulo a lot, I didn't applaud none point of Nadal, it's just not possible for me, sorry, but I didn't boo him, not my mentality (okay, at home I insult him but well, that's different ).
At the end of the match I was a bit disapointed by the behaviour of some people, so, rare and weird thing for me, I applauded Nadal and sang him "happy birthday".

I don't like spanish ans argentinian playes, in fact I don't like the clay players, I'd love to see a player like Federer winning in Paris, and I think lot of French think like me. That's like that. It's frustrating that every champions like MacEnroe, Edberge, Sampras or Federer never win in Roland Garros.
That doesn't explain or excuse the fact to boo Nadal, I know.

The french crowd is just really latin I think, very hotheaded. And never happy, always groaning (it's our speciality, not only in tennis).
Moreover, I suppose booing is a way to think we're victims of a unjustice. After it's easier to accept a defeat. LOL
2/3 people start to boo, and it's the snowball effect...

But, anyway, all these long passioned threads for the Frencg, that's touching... really...We never talk about the british crowd in Wimbledon, just because there's nothing to say. Very muffled atmopshere. Just my opinion... :o

The British crowd is quiet because of the people that get tickets sadly.

Anytime the real fans get them (remember People's Sunday and the Ivanisevic-Rafter final) , there is an amazing atmosphere, yet they are always respectful to both players.

star
06-04-2006, 09:58 PM
Does it bother you at all the noise from the French crowd either during the match or after? Does the reaction of the French crowd bother you at all?

RAFAEL NADAL: No, maybe the public is okay. Very good all the time. Support a lot his player. But very nice, no? I like a lot that. That's very, very nice. I have this sensation in Madrid, especially in the final. So that's very, very nice.

The public stay nice. But for me all match is good. Just when I had the problem with the banana, the public (whistling). Sorry, not my fault. And after in the finish of the match, finally he applauded me. That's good. When I finish the match, the public (whistling) too. That's not nice because we play a nice match, very good match. Maybe the public can support him a lot, but after I win. That's nice, too, no? For me is more nice. But now it's okay. The public, I stay very good. Very good, no problem.

Oh -- that's very nice.

:lol:

star
06-04-2006, 10:00 PM
I was at the match yesterday.
I love Paulo, and I can't bear Nadal.
It was a dream match for me as a supporter.
Well, I cheered for Paulo a lot, I didn't applaud none point of Nadal, it's just not possible for me, sorry, but I didn't boo him, not my mentality (okay, at home I insult him but well, that's different ).
At the end of the match I was a bit disapointed by the behaviour of some people, so, rare and weird thing for me, I applauded Nadal and sang him "happy birthday". Now it's okay with him.

I don't like spanish ans argentinian playes, in fact I don't like the clay players, I'd love to see a player like Federer winning in Paris, and I think lot of French think like me. That's like that. It's frustrating that every champions like MacEnroe, Edberge, Sampras or Federer never win in Roland Garros.
That doesn't explain or excuse the fact to boo Nadal, I know.

The french crowd is just really latin I think, very hotheaded. And never happy, always groaning (it's our speciality, not only in tennis).
Moreover, I suppose booing is a way to think we're victims of a unjustice. After it's easier to accept a defeat. LOL
2/3 people start to boo, and it's the snowball effect...

But, anyway, all these long passioned threads for the Frencg, that's touching... really...We never talk about the british crowd in Wimbledon, just because there's nothing to say. Very muffled atmopshere. Just my opinion... :o

A few words about the match...Paulo made a great match, I'm proud of him. He didn't choke. Bravo Paulo :worship: And what to say...Nadal is desperating, too strong.. lol. But not unbeatable.

It's so funny that the French don't like clay court tennis. Maybe they should tear up the courts and put down deco turf --- or grass. That would solve that whole whining that the grass season is too short. :)

MariaV
06-04-2006, 10:07 PM
Well, I cheered for Paulo a lot, I didn't applaud none point of Nadal, it's just not possible for me, sorry, but I didn't boo him, not my mentality (okay, at home I insult him but well, that's different ).
At the end of the match I was a bit disapointed by the behaviour of some people, so, rare and weird thing for me, I applauded Nadal and sang him "happy birthday". Now it's okay with him.

Very nice of you. :) :yeah:
And Paulo played really well. It was a great match indeed.

MariaV
06-04-2006, 10:08 PM
It's so funny that the French don't like clay court tennis. Maybe they should tear up the courts and put down deco turf --- or grass. That would solve that whole whining that the grass season is too short. :)
:lol:

silverwhite
06-04-2006, 10:14 PM
Nadal is hardly likely to publicly insult the crowd. Anyway, he did say the reaction at the end of the match was not nice.

Privately, I am sure he is unimpressed with the crowd's reaction to him.

Yes. Clearly, what he says in his interview is not what he feels while what you say is...

betterthanhenman
06-04-2006, 10:18 PM
Yes. Clearly, what he says in his interview is not what he feels while what you say is...

Ask yourself this...

How much sense would it make for a player to publicly criticise the French crowd whilst still involved in the tournament?

He would be booed constantly for the remainder of his matches.

Marine
06-04-2006, 10:20 PM
Ask yourself this...

How much sense would it make for a player to publicly criticise the French crowd whilst still involved in the tournament?

He would be booed constantly for the remainder of his matches.

So he's not honnest ? He's scared ? lol

Well, a good point for him, it seems we both have the same passion for Da Vinci Code... :lol: :D

DrJules
06-04-2006, 10:20 PM
It's so funny that the French don't like clay court tennis. Maybe they should tear up the courts and put down deco turf --- or grass. That would solve that whole whining that the grass season is too short. :)

There would be a riot among MTF members and they would never allow it. :haha: :haha: :haha:

Sjengster
06-04-2006, 10:21 PM
Erm, didn't I read in GM yesterday that Nadal called the crowd "bastards" during an on-court interview with Corretja for Spanish TV? Now that is certainly expressing an opinion honestly and frankly.... but if it's true, I don't really blame him for the duality of his comments. Far better to keep saying the right things publicly and exacting your revenge on the crowd on the court, from his perspective.

silverwhite
06-04-2006, 10:21 PM
The British crowd is quiet because of the people that get tickets sadly.

Anytime the real fans get them (remember People's Sunday and the Ivanisevic-Rafter final) , there is an amazing atmosphere, yet they are always respectful to both players.

The French crowd is noisy because of the people that get tickets sadly.

Anytime the real fans get them, there is an amazing atmosphere, yet they are always respectful to both players.

betterthanhenman
06-04-2006, 10:22 PM
The French crowd is noisy because of the people that get tickets sadly.

Anytime the real fans get them, there is an amazing atmosphere, yet they are always respectful to both players.

:haha:

Sorry, what I meant to say was...

:bs:

Sjengster
06-04-2006, 10:23 PM
The French crowd is noisy because of the people that get tickets sadly.

Anytime the real fans get them, there is an amazing atmosphere, yet they are always respectful to both players.

But surely the noisy sections of the French crowd aren't the ignorant corporate types who are just going there to be seen? I mean, those are the people who generate no atmosphere at all during most of the show court matches at Wimbledon, whereas I gathered it was the cheap seats on Chatrier that create the most disturbance.

betterthanhenman
06-04-2006, 10:24 PM
Erm, didn't I read in GM yesterday that Nadal called the crowd "bastards" during an on-court interview with Corretja for Spanish TV? Now that is certainly expressing an opinion honestly and frankly.... but if it's true, I don't really blame him for the duality of his comments. Far better to keep saying the right things publicly and exacting your revenge on the crowd on the court, from his perspective.

Don't know about the 'bastards' part, but the rest certainly makes sense.

silverwhite
06-04-2006, 10:24 PM
Ask yourself this...

How much sense would it make for a player to publicly criticise the French crowd whilst still involved in the tournament?

He would be booed constantly for the remainder of his matches.

Oh yes. He's scared of the French crowd and is lying just to placate them. :yeah:

silverwhite
06-04-2006, 10:25 PM
:haha:

Sorry, what I meant to say was...

:bs:

I'm glad you're able to laugh at yourself :yeah:

ezekiel
06-04-2006, 10:26 PM
test

betterthanhenman
06-04-2006, 10:27 PM
Oh yes. He's scared of the French crowd and is lying just to placate them. :yeah:

I don't believe he is scared of them.

Maybe he keeps his thoughts on the crowd private, because he doesn't want the idiots to disturb his upcoming matches....the same way they did when he beat Grosjean last year.

Marine
06-04-2006, 10:33 PM
I was there too the last year for this famous match :o

Not to say "bastards" during the press conference is okay, but to say "the crowd was very good..." is not very good neither if he thinks the contrary. :rolleyes:

Castafiore
06-04-2006, 10:46 PM
I was there too the last year for this famous match :o

Not to say "bastards" during the press conference is okay, but to say "the crowd was very good..." is not very good neither if he thinks the contrary. :rolleyes:
he said that word + started to laugh after that so I hardly think that he took that so seriously (but I'm only guessing of course).

He said in an interview with the French press that he understand that the local crowd supports their own player and he likes that because he's been at the other end of that in Madrid (the final against Ljubicic for example) so he knows how nice it is to have the full support of that home crowd.
The only time it bothered him a bit was during the banana incident and after the match when they whistled at him (IMO implying that the crowd got a great match so it's not nice to get whistled after having played for so long). But in general, he didn't seem to have much of a problem with it.

Marine
06-04-2006, 10:55 PM
After Bush and his bretzel...Nadal and his banana :tape:

Damita
06-04-2006, 11:09 PM
But surely the noisy sections of the French crowd aren't the ignorant corporate types who are just going there to be seen? I mean, those are the people who generate no atmosphere at all during most of the show court matches at Wimbledon, whereas I gathered it was the cheap seats on Chatrier that create the most disturbance.Wrong. As I said yesterday, last year during the Nadal-Grosjean match a majority of the people in the VIP/expensive seats were booing Nadal. They showed for instance a famous French actress booing and looking very happy to do so :rolleyes:
They can generate no atmosphere at all (and make you, who's sitting on your couch, think you'd kill them to get their tickets), but they also can act like jerks and actually enjoy it cuz "it's cool to be in RG, on tv!, and that people see you being 'part' of it" :rolleyes: (and you -me at least :angel: - still on the couch, you still want to murder them :p)

Yasmine
06-05-2006, 10:21 AM
he said that word + started to laugh after that so I hardly think that he took that so seriously (but I'm only guessing of course).

He said in an interview with the French press that he understand that the local crowd supports their own player and he likes that because he's been at the other end of that in Madrid (the final against Ljubicic for example) so he knows how nice it is to have the full support of that home crowd.
The only time it bothered him a bit was during the banana incident and after the match when they whistled at him (IMO implying that the crowd got a great match so it's not nice to get whistled after having played for so long). But in general, he didn't seem to have much of a problem with it.
well the croud can boo as much as they want, bottom line is who's through to the next round? ;) Good luck to Nadal even if I was dissapointed that match didn't go to a 5th set:angel:

Jogy
06-10-2006, 12:08 AM
I have noticed that behavior of Crowd was much better since last 2 or 3 days.
Hardly boo when something strange happened, when someone lets the marks check and no boos when Nalbandian retired today.

That is a good and fair changing! :yeah:

I believe that more classy and educated people come to matches when the ticket prices are higher for the later rounds of the tournament (no French player and crowd more neutral helps too maybe)

BelgianWaffle
06-10-2006, 04:21 PM
I know it's WTA, but notice the Crowd was well-behaved today :p
No booing during the speech like last year (altough that might have been because neither of the players thanked the sponsors by name ;) )

Marine
06-10-2006, 05:01 PM
I have noticed that behavior of Crowd was much better since last 2 or 3 days.
Hardly boo when something strange happened, when someone lets the marks check and no boos when Nalbandian retired today.



what you say is :o and no, it's just that lots of people have free tickets (guests etc...) for the semis and the final... lot of VIP, the atmopshere is not good. I prefer the first week.