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20 second rule

korben
06-03-2006, 04:07 PM
Page 181 of 234 ATP Rulebook ( http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/ATP_Rulebook.pdf )

Rule 29. Continuous play

a) Between points, a maximum of twenty (20) seconds is allowed.
c) No extra time shall be given to allow a player to recover condition.

Came to mind when watching Nadal - Mathieu match. Exlude crowd delays that occure from time to time. There are still plenty of points that take 40+ seconds to start. In worst case Nadal stalled for over 60 seconds, after very long rally.

Should this rule be removed or being taken more seriously :confused:

its.like.that
06-03-2006, 04:09 PM
:retard:

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 04:13 PM
Page 181 of 234 ATP Rulebook ( http://www.atptennis.com/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/ATP_Rulebook.pdf )

Rule 29. Continuous play

a) Between points, a maximum of twenty (20) seconds is allowed.
c) No extra time shall be given to allow a player to recover condition.

Came to mind when watching Nadal - Mathieu match. Exlude crowd delays that occure from time to time. There are still plenty of points that take 40+ seconds to start. In worst case Nadal stalled for over 60 seconds, after very long rally.

Should this rule be removed or being taken more seriously :confused:

This is what occurs to you when watching a great match like this one?

oneandonlyhsn
06-03-2006, 04:16 PM
:bigcry:

korben
06-03-2006, 04:19 PM
This is what occurs to you when watching a great match like this one?

Yep ;) I don´t want matches to last 5 hours, when they should be only 4.

Carito_90
06-03-2006, 04:23 PM
I wouldn't mind a match lasting 5 hours even if it should last 4 hours - if it does end up lasting 4 it's because one of them collapsed for lack of air.

The guys are killing each other with amazing rallies and you expect them to be perfectly ready for the next point. :lol: Give 'em a break, please.

Scotso
06-03-2006, 04:28 PM
It's up to the umpire to interpret the rules and make allowances. When players are fighting their hearts out, they give them extra time.

korben
06-03-2006, 04:30 PM
The guys are killing each other with amazing rallies and you expect them to be perfectly ready for the next point. :lol: Give 'em a break, please.

If I had dominated a rally by running opponent from left to right to center and back. I wouldn´t give him any extra seconds to recover. I would go. Play on ! Are you playing or not ? Hey ref, are you allowing this ? :angel:

Whatever it takes to win :devil:

Carito_90
06-03-2006, 04:37 PM
If I had dominated a rally by running opponent from left to right to center and back. I wouldn´t give him any extra seconds to recover. I would go. Play on ! Are you playing or not ? Hey ref, are you allowing this ? :angel:

Whatever it takes to win :devil:

They're both running like madmen, no one 'wins' with that really.

If giving the players 20 more seconds to recover will give me the hell of a match PHM and Nadal are giving right now, I won't complain, honestly.

Langers
06-03-2006, 04:41 PM
I am getting very sick and tired of Nadal asking for his towel after almost every point when his opponent is waiting to resume. Surely it cannot be allowed time after time…

DDrago2
06-03-2006, 04:50 PM
What certainly is not according to the rules, is Nadal constant gamensmanship. He changes racquets, asks for towel, postpones the serve of his opponent... He is irritating! Shame!

Neely
06-03-2006, 05:45 PM
What certainly is not according to the rules, is Nadal constant gamensmanship. He changes racquets, asks for towel, postpones the serve of his opponent... He is irritating! Shame!
***whine, whine, whine, whine***

admiralpye
06-03-2006, 06:24 PM
It's up to the umpire to interpret the rules and make allowances. When players are fighting their hearts out, they give them extra time.

well said.

the rules were made for the betterment of the game, not for the sake of following them blindly. i think for SOME rules and regulations there should be reasonable allowances and exceptions. (like for this rule)

admiralpye
06-03-2006, 06:26 PM
I am getting very sick and tired of Nadal asking for his towel after almost every point when his opponent is waiting to resume. Surely it cannot be allowed time after time…

In the second set, I noticed PHM has also started to ask for his towel after almost every point. I think it is more of a necessity when a player is sweating too profusely?

Velvetcat
06-03-2006, 08:35 PM
Rafa was given a warning for taking too long in his Monte Carlo match vs Gaudio.

It doesn't bother me how much time a guy takes on his own serve. It's the constant delaying of your opponent's serve that I would love to see something done about. Rafa's gamesmanship is rampant. This is not 'whining', it's called commenting on the facts taking place before your eyes.

Socket
06-03-2006, 09:34 PM
RG, like all the slams, isn't an ATP event; it's run by the ITF. So, I'm not even sure the ATP rulebook would apply.

And in any event, the time rule hasn't really been enforced since Jimmy Connors took about 2 minutes between points when he was playing Krickstein at the 91 US Open. :)

Halba
06-03-2006, 09:39 PM
that rule is acceptable on hardcourt but common this is clay!

lilfairyprincess
06-03-2006, 10:11 PM
In worst case Nadal stalled for over 60 seconds, after very long rally.

what makes u think that PHM wasn't glad for the extra time to compose himself? don't forget that he too was taking part in these long rallies and probably was probably thankful that rafa "stalled". in any case, i dont think that today it negatively affected either man.

almouchie
06-03-2006, 10:13 PM
lay off nadal
will u
several players take a lot more
it happens
nothing more

ChloeLove
06-03-2006, 11:02 PM
Well it's not as if Nadal is the only one getting over 20s inbetween points. PHM is also, and he is probably thankful for it, playing Nadal can be tiring.

I quite admire how Nadal always takes his time. It's been said before that most great tennis players who were successful at a young age, were always very composed inbetween points, and took their time, unlike some who rush between points. I don't think it's really an issue . . .

Jogy
06-03-2006, 11:04 PM
Mathieu did the same when he needed the towel or a break and Nadal was ready

scoobs
06-03-2006, 11:07 PM
I'd rather they obey the spirit of the rule rather than the letter of the rule. I don't think taking a few extra seconds between points really slowed the play to an unacceptable degree. Those two men were leaving their guts out on the court for nearly 5 hours. To penalise them for 10 or 15 seconds here or there is officious and shameful. I'm glad the umpire used his discretion and common sense and refrained from getting into that.

Rogiman
06-03-2006, 11:10 PM
Take time between points on your own serve, not your opponent's.

NYCtennisfan
06-03-2006, 11:58 PM
It was a great match, but the thread starter does have a point. Nadal sometimes bounces the ball while waiting to serve for 15 seconds and that's after the towel usuage.

korben
06-04-2006, 12:00 AM
RG, like all the slams, isn't an ATP event; it's run by the ITF. So, I'm not even sure the ATP rulebook would apply.


Slams indeed have some own rules. Not in this case.
Page 44 of 56 ( http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_18858_original.PDF )

I. Time Violation / Delay of Game

A maximum of twenty (20) seconds shall elapse from the moment the ball goes out of play at the end of the point until the time the ball is struck for the first serve of the next point.

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I´m pretty sure that in ie. example match neither player managed to do that. Not even once.

Good rule :confused:

Dirk
06-04-2006, 05:30 AM
They both should have been warned and then penalized accordingly.

Carito_90
06-04-2006, 05:49 AM
Nadal obviously has a routine before every point. Asking for the towel, balls, picking, going to the baseline, picking on his socks, picking on his ass lol, sometimes his hair, and then he serves. I doubt it will change anytime soon.

Djokovic bounces the ball before serving like, 20 times :lol: No one complains.

I mean, rushing between points could do some harm to the other player by not letting them recover completely. But I don't see how 10 or 20 seconds more could possibly do any harm, just give them extra time to recover.

I don't see the relevance on this, really. :lol: