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Rank these players in order of...

stebs
06-02-2006, 09:36 PM
Okay, I'm bored. If you are too then join me in ranking the following players in several categories. Marks out of ten:

Federer - Nadal - Ljubicic - Nalbandian - Roddick - Davydenko

Forehand

Federer - 10
Roddick/Nadal - 8
Nalbandian/Ljubicic/Davydenko - 6

Backhand

Nalbandian - 9
Ljubicic - 8
Nadal - 7
Federer/Davydenko - 6
Roddick - 5

Serve

Ljubicic - 10
Roddick - 9
Federer - 8
Nadal/Davydenko - 6
Nalbandian - 5

Return

Nalbandian - 9
Federer/Nadal - 8
Davydenko - 6
Ljubicic/Roddick - 5

Volley

Federer - 8
Ljubicic/Nadal/Nalbandian - 6
Davydenko/Roddick - 5

Defence

Nadal - 10
Nalbandian/Federer - 8
Davydenko - 7
Roddick - 6
Ljubicic - 5

Mentality

Nadal - 10
Federer - 8
Davydenko - 7
Ljubicic - 6
Nalbandian/Roddick - 5

All round on Hard

Federer - 10
Ljubicic - 9
Roddick/Nadal/Nalbandian - 8
Davydenko - 6

All round on Clay

Nadal - 10
Federer - 8
Nalbandian/Davydenko - 7
Ljubicic - 6
Roddick - 4

All round on grass

Federer - 10
Roddick - 8
Nalbandian - 7
Ljubicic/Davydenko/Nadal - 5



This is what I got when I added up the points.

Overall

Federer..... - 84/100 - 8.4
Nadal........ - 79/100 - 7.9
Nalbandian - 70/100 - 7
Ljubicic...... - 65/100 - 6.5
Roddick..... - 63/100 - 6.3
Davydenko. - 61/100 - 6.1

It agrees with the rankings interestingly. I tried to be as objective as I could.

raeesa301
06-02-2006, 09:40 PM
Why did you choose those players?

Apemant
06-02-2006, 09:52 PM
Okay, I'm bored. If you are too then join me in ranking the following players in several categories. Marks out of ten:

It agrees with the rankings interestingly. I tried to be as objective as I could.

Nice. I agree with most of it, give or take a point here and there.

But, I disagree with the math: 79/100 is, in fact, 0.79 and not 7.9. :devil:

Apemant
06-02-2006, 09:54 PM
Why did you choose those players?

Blind guess: because they are the current top 6 players on Entry list? :scratch:

DrJules
06-02-2006, 09:59 PM
Have you considered including movement/speed on a court?

or all round on carpet?

or fitness?

Uriel
06-02-2006, 10:03 PM
Forehand

Federer - 10
Roddick/Nadal - 8
Nalbandian/Ljubicic/Davydenko - 6

Backhand

Nalbandian - 9
Ljubicic - 8
Nadal - 7
Federer/Davydenko - 6
Roddick - 5

Serve

Ljubicic - 10
Roddick - 9
Federer - 8
Nadal/Davydenko - 6
Nalbandian - 5

Return

Nalbandian - 9
Federer/Nadal - 8
Ljubicic/Davydenko - 6
Roddick - 5

Volley

Federer - 8
Ljubicic/Nadal/Nalbandian - 6
Davydenko/Roddick - 5

Defence

Nadal - 10
Nalbandian/Federer - 8
Davydenko - 7
Ljubicic / Roddick - 6


Mentality

Nadal - 10
Federer - 9
Davydenko / Ljubicic - 7
Nalbandian/Roddick - 5

All round on Hard

Federer - 10
Ljubicic - 9
Roddick/Nadal/Nalbandian - 8
Davydenko - 6

All round on Clay

Nadal - 10
Federer - 8
Nalbandian/Davydenko - 7
Ljubicic - 6
Roddick - 4

All round on grass

Federer - 10
Roddick - 8
Nalbandian - 7
Ljubicic/Davydenko/Nadal - 5


Federer..... - 84/100 - 8.4
Nadal........ - 79/10 - 7.9
Nalbandian - 70/100 - 7
Ljubicic...... - 67/10 - 6.7
Roddick..... - 63/10 - 6.3
Davydenko. - 61/10 - 6.1

It agrees with the rankings interestingly. I tried to be as objective as I could.[/QUOTE]

stebs
06-02-2006, 11:03 PM
Have you considered including movement/speed on a court?

or all round on carpet?

or fitness?

I will add movement but not all round on carpet. It is a little used surface. I realise that grass also falls under that category but I picked the surfaces with the slams.

buddyholly
06-02-2006, 11:16 PM
But, I disagree with the math: 79/100 is, in fact, 0.79 and not 7.9. :devil:

But,'' -'' not = to ''='' :devil:

allero
06-02-2006, 11:30 PM
A very good idea to do this ranking!
I just disagree with Ljubicic getting a better mark than Nadal on hard courts since Nadal won 2 TMS on that surface in very convincing fashion :)

DrJules
06-02-2006, 11:45 PM
A very good idea to do this ranking!
I just disagree with Ljubicic getting a better mark than Nadal on hard courts since Nadal won 2 TMS on that surface in very convincing fashion :)

According to tennis corner & what they call hard courts:

Ljubicic wins to losses 2006 24-4 and 2005 41-14
Nadal wins to losses 2006 11-3 and 2005 28-6
(Federer 2006 28-1 and 2005 54-2)

Not much in it; Ljubicic better 2006 and Nadal better 2005

stebs
06-03-2006, 12:10 AM
I just disagree with Ljubicic getting a better mark than Nadal on hard courts since Nadal won 2 TMS on that surface in very convincing fashion :)

In the ATP entry rankings Ljubicic has more hard court points than Nadal in the last 52 weeks. That was my proof.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 12:19 AM
Stebs...you are mad :p

stebs
06-03-2006, 12:27 AM
Stebs...you are mad :p
Gotta say. It's tough to disagree. Oh well, at least I put my madness to good use. If I wasn't a member on MTF I would probably sit at a desk doing this with no-one to show. That'd make me seem even more mad. :p :devil:

NyGeL
06-03-2006, 12:30 AM
In the ATP entry rankings Ljubicic has more hard court points than Nadal in the last 52 weeks. That was my proof.

Ljubicic played more tournaments, while Nadal 2005 was 75% on Clay.

betterthanhenman
06-03-2006, 12:32 AM
Federer - Nadal - Ljubicic - Nalbandian - Roddick - Davydenko

Forehand

Federer - 10
Nadal - 9
Nalbandian - 8
Ljubicic/Roddick/Davydenko - 7

Backhand

Nalbandian - 9
Ljubicic/Nadal/Federer - 8
Davydenko - 7
Roddick - 5

Serve

Ljubicic - 10
Roddick - 9
Federer - 8
Nadal/Davydenko/Nalbandian - 6


Return

Nalbandian - 9
Federer - 8
Nadal - 7
Davydenko/Ljubicic - 6
Roddick - 3

Volley

Federer - 8
Nalbandian - 7
Nadal/Ljubicic - 6
Davydenko/Roddick - 5

Defence

Nadal/Federer - 10
Nalbandian - 8
Davydenko/Ljubicic - 7
Roddick - 5


Mentality

Nadal/Federer - 10
Ljubicic - 8
Davydenko/Nalbandian - 6
Roddick - 5

All round on Hard

Federer - 10
Ljubicic/Nadal - 9
Nalbandian - 8
Roddick - 7
Davydenko - 6

All round on Clay

Nadal - 10
Federer - 9
Nalbandian - 8
Davydenko - 7
Ljubicic - 6
Roddick - 4

All round on grass

Federer - 10
Roddick - 8
Nalbandian - 7
Ljubicic/Nadal - 6
Davydenko - 5


Have not given it much thought...so I might not completely agree with my own points there. :)

ChloeLove
06-03-2006, 12:51 AM
I like this post! It's pretty accurate, and I agree with most of the rankings. I would never think up something like this, so . . . good job. ;)

Dragula.mp3
06-03-2006, 01:18 AM
To me Nalbandian have a better mentality than a 5. Especially a player that is the "ace of spades" when it comes to play Davis Cup, and have a great acurrate in GS.
And the other thing; I think you are forgeting about "Intelligence" a very important part of the player.

Of course just my call

uNIVERSE mAN
06-03-2006, 04:49 AM
you can't rate a serve just as a serve without comparing it to the hold game as a whole and if you do that then no way is Roddick/Ljubo's hold games better than Federer's.

helen phillips
06-03-2006, 04:59 AM
I find your backhand analysis a little off. Nadal has pretty good directional control but struggles to keep good length. I would also argue while he hits it well on the run particularly to pass he doesn't set up or hit many winners with it in a baseline rally. Personally I think Davydenko has the better backhand of the two - way better mechanics with a much more compact stroke. Davydenko's offensive game is very dependant on the consistent depth and accurate placement of his backhand shots. For Nadal (a lot like Moya) it is the shot you hit while waiting for a forehand.

stebs
06-03-2006, 08:45 PM
you can't rate a serve just as a serve without comparing it to the hold game as a whole and if you do that then no way is Roddick/Ljubo's hold games better than Federer's.
Why can you not rate a serve just as a serve?

stebs
06-03-2006, 08:47 PM
I find your backhand analysis a little off. Nadal has pretty good directional control but struggles to keep good length. I would also argue while he hits it well on the run particularly to pass he doesn't set up or hit many winners with it in a baseline rally. Personally I think Davydenko has the better backhand of the two - way better mechanics with a much more compact stroke. Davydenko's offensive game is very dependant on the consistent depth and accurate placement of his backhand shots. For Nadal (a lot like Moya) it is the shot you hit while waiting for a forehand.
Maybe you're right with your overall point but comparing Nadal's backhand with Moya's is :rolleyes:

I think if you were watching Nadal beat Mathieu in a great match today you saw how good his backhand can be. He hit some great shots with it.

helen phillips
06-04-2006, 03:23 AM
Maybe you're right with your overall point but comparing Nadal's backhand with Moya's is :rolleyes:

I think if you were watching Nadal beat Mathieu in a great match today you saw how good his backhand can be. He hit some great shots with it.

I didn't say he hits it like Moya I said he uses his backhand to stay in a rally until he can go after a forehand just as Moya (among others) does. It's a pretty good shot but to me it isn't as effective as it should be given the effort that he puts into it. It looked as good as I've seen it today but again I don't think it is as integral to his game as Davydenko's or as effective (particularly on surfaces other than clay).

stebs
06-04-2006, 06:38 PM
I didn't say he hits it like Moya I said he uses his backhand to stay in a rally until he can go after a forehand just as Moya (among others) does. It's a pretty good shot but to me it isn't as effective as it should be given the effort that he puts into it. It looked as good as I've seen it today but again I don't think it is as integral to his game as Davydenko's or as effective (particularly on surfaces other than clay).
I agree that Davydenko's backhand is more important to him then rafa's backhand is to Rafa but that doesn't mean it's better.

helen phillips
06-04-2006, 06:52 PM
I agree that Davydenko's backhand is more important to him then rafa's backhand is to Rafa but that doesn't mean it's better.

True enough but the fact that Davydenko's more compact stroke translates better to faster surfaces does mean it's better.

stebs
06-04-2006, 06:55 PM
True enough but the fact that Davydenko's more compact stroke translates better to faster surfaces does mean it's better.
Why? I see no reason why a stroke working better on faster courts makes it better?

helen phillips
06-04-2006, 07:04 PM
Why? I see no reason why a stroke working better on faster courts makes it better?

I suppose it wouldn't if you didn't play on those surfaces but other than that the overall more effective stroke is usually considered the better one. This is particularly true given that Davydenko's backhand is as effective on clay as it is on faster surfaces.

uNIVERSE mAN
06-04-2006, 08:23 PM
Why can you not rate a serve just as a serve?

yeah you're right, after contemplating I don't know what I was thinking.