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What was this all about?

asotgod
06-02-2006, 04:50 PM
Q. Do you remember him?

RAFAEL NADAL: Yes, I remember him, yeah. Yeah, I remember him, obviously. He is an important player. He's a charismatic player. You know, I was a kid. Each match has its own history. I think the favorite here is Federer. We'll see what happens.


I was just going through the interviews and noticed Nadal add the bolded line to the answer and I am wondering what the purpose was there? The timing just does not seem right. It seems as if he is trying to deflect the pressure on him. Would appreciate any thoughtful contributions on this.

Jairus
06-02-2006, 05:21 PM
He always does that...my thinking is that the more Roger/Rafa say that the other guy will win, the more confident they are in their own abilities.

asotgod
06-02-2006, 05:37 PM
He always does that...my thinking is that the more Roger/Rafa say that the other guy will win, the more confident they are in their own abilities.


It seems very unnecessary though. Even in the next response to questions. He was saying we will see what happens in the final. Something like that, as if he is thinking too far ahead. That's a recipe for failure unless he is that confident. Whichever, it's funny to see.

Merton
06-02-2006, 07:15 PM
It seems very unnecessary though. Even in the next response to questions. He was saying we will see what happens in the final. Something like that, as if he is thinking too far ahead. That's a recipe for failure unless he is that confident. Whichever, it's funny to see.

Rafa says the favourite to win the tournament, not the final against him. How does make him thinking too far ahead?

asotgod
06-02-2006, 07:25 PM
Rafa says the favourite to win the tournament, not the final against him. How does make him thinking too far ahead?

Read the question before just making comments. He was asked a different question about Rios or so, that had nothing to do with who is the favorite or not. Instead, he said at the end but Roger is the favorite as though that was what he was thinking about during the question. Then, he goes on in the next response to say we will see in the final, which is a statement conveying someone who is looking far ahead. You twist it whatever way you want. The statement is very obvious.

Clara Bow
06-02-2006, 07:28 PM
Could you provide the link to the whole interview please?

Thanks.

asotgod
06-02-2006, 07:30 PM
Could you provide the link to the whole interview please?

Thanks.

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/interviews/2006-06-02/200606021149242308647.html

That's the link :)

DDrago2
06-02-2006, 07:33 PM
Ha ha ha - Nadal is becoming too predictable in his interviews... He is the favourite, everyone knows that.

mallorn
06-02-2006, 07:39 PM
You're right, the answer to the Rios question is simply weird. In fact, I'm still trying to figure out what he was on about and whether something got lost in translation. When I first read the transcript I thought a question was missing.

Rafa also seems to have forgotten his "one match at a time" mantra. :lol: Looks like he got a little carried away, especially with Blake still in the draw (I've noticed many people have high hopes for Blake all of a sudden :rolleyes: ).

BTW, is Rafa's forum closed? :p

asotgod
06-02-2006, 07:41 PM
Ha ha ha - Nadal is becoming too predictable in his interviews... He is the favourite, everyone knows that.

Of course, he is the favorite but it just brings to the question where his mind was when he was being interviewed? Also, is he really concentrating on the next match ahead of him or is he actually thinking the only threat to his retaining the title is Fed?

asotgod
06-02-2006, 07:44 PM
You're right, the answer to the Rios question is simply weird. In fact, I'm still trying to figure out what he was on about and whether something got lost in translation. When I first read the transcript I thought a question was missing.

Rafa also seems to have forgotten his "one match at a time" mantra. :lol: Looks like he got a little carried away, especially with Blake still in the draw (I've noticed many people have high hopes for Blake all of a sudden :rolleyes: ).

BTW, is Rafa's forum closed? :p


I dont think he has forgotten his one match at a time mantra. A long while ago, I stated that sometimes we believe players too quickly when they make statements. His response in this scenario clealy shows he is human. It is human nature to think ahead especially when you are the overwhelming favorite but when he says he also takes it one match at a time, there is a tendency to think also that he is not looking far ahead. The human brain can function in multiple ways and I think this again shows that. I just found the response very interesting and exposing at the same time.

Clara Bow
06-02-2006, 07:47 PM
You're right, the answer to the Rios question is simply weird. In fact, I'm still trying to figure out what he was on about and whether something got lost in translation. When I first read the transcript I thought a question was missing.


Yeah- I agree too. It is odd.. I wondered the translation was a little off because, yeah- it just seems like there is something off there. If the translation’s not off- it must be a Freudian slip and Roger is indeed foremost on Rafa’s mind. ;)

It also seems like there may have been a blip in the translation when he is talking about the PHM match- which will be on his birthday. It was quite out of character for him to then project going to the final, just really quite different than his normal mo.

Thanks for posting the link.

Honigman
06-02-2006, 07:48 PM
Well, I decided to check the version of the interview in French and lo and behold, it was two diferent questons, one about Rios and then one about Federer. I guess the transcript in english has a mistake and that caused the confusion. Here it is:

Q. C'est une question spécifique. Je viens du Chili. Nous avons un joueur qui s'est retiré, qui est Rios, penses-tu qu'il est logique que des gens se retirent ?

R. Chacun a ses choix, sa vie. Chacun est différent. Chacun fait ce qu'il peut ou ce qu'il veut. Soit il ne pouvait pas continuer, soit il n'avait pas envie de continuer. Je le respecte. C'est un choix personnel.

Q. L'avais-tu vu ?

R. Je me souviens de l'avoir vu. C'est un joueur qui a été important dans l'histoire du tennis, un joueur charismatique. J'étais encore petit.

Q. Comment vois-tu les choses pour Federer, c'est un favori aussi, n'est-ce pas ?

R. Oui, on verra cela.

Clara Bow
06-02-2006, 07:50 PM
Well, I decided to check the version of the interview in French and lo and behold, it was two diferent questons, one about Rios and then one about Federer. I guess the transcript in english has a mistake and that caused the confusion. Here it is:

Q. C'est une question spécifique. Je viens du Chili. Nous avons un joueur qui s'est retiré, qui est Rios, penses-tu qu'il est logique que des gens se retirent ?

R. Chacun a ses choix, sa vie. Chacun est différent. Chacun fait ce qu'il peut ou ce qu'il veut. Soit il ne pouvait pas continuer, soit il n'avait pas envie de continuer. Je le respecte. C'est un choix personnel.

Q. L'avais-tu vu ?

R. Je me souviens de l'avoir vu. C'est un joueur qui a été important dans l'histoire du tennis, un joueur charismatique. J'étais encore petit.

Q. Comment vois-tu les choses pour Federer, c'est un favori aussi, n'est-ce pas ?

R. Oui, on verra cela.

Thanks for the clarification. That makes a lot more sense. :)

stebs
06-02-2006, 07:50 PM
It is a fair thing to do much of the time but sometimes it does get wearing. Rafa knows 100% that he is favourite and he knows nothing he can say will change that. What's the point of saying this?

asotgod
06-02-2006, 07:50 PM
Well, I decided to check the version of the interview in French and lo and behold, it was two diferent questons, one about Rios and then one about Federer. I guess the transcript in english has a mistake and that caused the confusion. Here it is:

Q. C'est une question spécifique. Je viens du Chili. Nous avons un joueur qui s'est retiré, qui est Rios, penses-tu qu'il est logique que des gens se retirent ?

R. Chacun a ses choix, sa vie. Chacun est différent. Chacun fait ce qu'il peut ou ce qu'il veut. Soit il ne pouvait pas continuer, soit il n'avait pas envie de continuer. Je le respecte. C'est un choix personnel.

Q. L'avais-tu vu ?

R. Je me souviens de l'avoir vu. C'est un joueur qui a été important dans l'histoire du tennis, un joueur charismatique. J'étais encore petit.

Q. Comment vois-tu les choses pour Federer, c'est un favori aussi, n'est-ce pas ?

R. Oui, on verra cela.


Thanks a lot. It makes sense now. The kid is obviously the favorite but has mastered the act of modesty as well to deflect the pressure to Federer. Anyways, let's see how the tournament unfolds.

mallorn
06-02-2006, 07:51 PM
Oh, so I was right. :eek: :lol:

Thanks, Honigman!

Castafiore
06-02-2006, 07:56 PM
I admit that the English transcript was confusing...why would he mention Federer like that in the middle of that Rios answer? :scratch:

Thanks for clearing that up for us, Honigman.

Merton
06-02-2006, 07:58 PM
Read the question before just making comments. You twist it whatever way you want. The statement is very obvious.

Thank you for suggestions that will help me become a better person. I appreciate. By the way, your original post did not have a link attached, so it was not obvious to me that the reference was with respect to the RG interview. (which i had not seen at the time)

Clara Bow
06-02-2006, 07:59 PM
The kid is obviously the favorite but has mastered the act of modesty as well to deflect the pressure to Federer.
But is Rafa really the obvious favorite? In betting circles, yes- I don’t think so much in other areas.

For example, the poll that was posted here on MTF asked who would win RG and Roger had more votes. Commentators and ex-players such as Wilander and Laver are predicting a Roger win if the two meet in the finals.

And even is general comments on this and other forums, I don’t know how many times I have read the mantra that Roger is much more talented than Nadal, Rome showed how close he was to beating Rafa, Roger is stronger than ever on clay and that Roger will likely win if they meet.

oneandonlyhsn
06-02-2006, 08:03 PM
But is Rafa really the obvious favorite? In betting circles, yes- I don’t think so much in other areas.



Erm lets see, he has won what over 50 matches straight on clay. Defeated his only rival on the dirt if you even want to call it that 3 times this year.
Its nice to be modest but after a while its just sounds like BS ;)

mallorn
06-02-2006, 08:05 PM
You know, Clara, I noticed even before the tournament began that no one wanted to be considered the favourite to win. There were all those articles where Roger and Rafa kept saying to each other "No, you're the favourite!"

It seems also true for the respective fan bases. ;)

asotgod
06-02-2006, 08:09 PM
Thank you for suggestions that will help me become a better person. I appreciate. By the way, your original post did not have a link attached, so it was not obvious to me that the reference was with respect to the RG interview. (which i had not seen at the time)

I did not need to attach the link. I attached the question and his response to it, and clearly stated that it was from his interview. You should have read the question and the response. No one said you were a bad person. Peace :)

oneandonlyhsn
06-02-2006, 08:09 PM
If you asked me if Roger is a fav to win Wimby I'd say yes absolutely

The dirt on the other hand :scared: its just 1 match at a time.

asotgod
06-02-2006, 08:14 PM
But is Rafa really the obvious favorite? In betting circles, yes- I don’t think so much in other areas.

For example, the poll that was posted here on MTF asked who would win RG and Roger had more votes. Commentators and ex-players such as Wilander and Laver are predicting a Roger win if the two meet in the finals.

And even is general comments on this and other forums, I don’t know how many times I have read the mantra that Roger is much more talented than Nadal, Rome showed how close he was to beating Rafa, Roger is stronger than ever on clay and that Roger will likely win if they meet.


Rafa is obviously the favorite. There is no two way about that. Polls more often than not express both reality and wishes, so you can expect it to be skewed depending on which of the aforementioned factors ovewhelms the other. In my mind, I know Roger is more talented but talent is not enough in any sport to win. You need guts to win over and over again. And Nadal has that, which has helped him gain this respective H2H against Roger. In tennis, you have to do whatever is required to win, and Nadal does just that. That makes him the favorite in addition to his record on the surface so far. What else is needed to prove that?

oneandonlyhsn
06-02-2006, 08:15 PM
Rafa is obviously the favorite. There is no two way about that. Polls more often than not express both reality and wishes, so you can expect it to be skewed depending on which of the aforementioned factors ovewhelms the other. In my mind, I know Roger is more talented but talent is not enough in any sport to win. You need guts to win over and over again. And Nadal has that, which has helped him gain this respective H2H against Roger. In tennis, you have to do whatever is required to win, and Nadal does just that. That makes him the favorite in addition to his record on the surface so far. What else is needed to prove that?

:worship: :worship: I wish I could rep you

robinhood
06-02-2006, 08:24 PM
Nadal STILL says Fed is the favorite?
:lol:

mallorn
06-02-2006, 08:28 PM
Erm lets see, he has won what over 50 matches straight on clay. Defeated his only rival on the dirt if you even want to call it that 3 times this year.
Its nice to be modest but after a while its just sounds like BS ;)
Oh give me a break. Roger is not his only rival, and you know it full well.

Rafa is obviously the favorite. There is no two way about that. Polls more often than not express both reality and wishes, so you can expect it to be skewed depending on which of the aforementioned factors ovewhelms the other. In my mind, I know Roger is more talented but talent is not enough in any sport to win. You need guts to win over and over again. And Nadal has that, which has helped him gain this respective H2H against Roger. In tennis, you have to do whatever is required to win, and Nadal does just that. That makes him the favorite in addition to his record on the surface so far. What else is needed to prove that?
"Favourite" means "likely to win", doesn't it? Well, let's see. At this point it looks like he'll have to get past Blake, who's been playing red hot tennis and everyone knows their H2H. The result of this match is far from obvious. If he does get to the final and meets Roger there, I for one think they have an equal chance of winning and there are no favourites, that's what the Rome final proved. I thought after MC that Rafa was the favourite, but their last match changed that. It could go either way, and again it's far from obvious.

If Rafa gets to the final and plays anyone but Federer, he's the obvious favourite, I agree with that.

Clara Bow
06-02-2006, 08:28 PM
Rafa is obviously the favorite. There is no two way about that. Polls more often than not express both reality and wishes, so you can expect it to be skewed depending on which of the aforementioned factors ovewhelms the other. In my mind, I know Roger is more talented but talent is not enough in any sport to win. You need guts to win over and over again. And Nadal has that, which has helped him gain this respective H2H against Roger. In tennis, you have to do whatever is required to win, and Nadal does just that. That makes him the favorite in addition to his record on the surface so far. What else is needed to prove that?

I see your (very good) point. :)

I guess I am internalizing a bit. I think that Roger will win the RG. I think he is more likely to get to the finals than Nadal. I am really worried, for example- about a Blake/Rafa quarter, if that comes to pass. Blake today showed a game that could maybe hurt Rafa on the clay, as his game does on hard courts. Maybe you think this is overpraise for James and underpraise for Rafa – I don’t mean it as such. I like both players and think both are very talented. I just happen to think that Blake matches up very well with Rafa. I have thought previously that it may be limited to hard courts, but with the way he was able to play on clay today- maybe on this surface as well. His game rattles Rafa- and when Rafa has played him he tends to go way too much into the defensive mode, which will not be a good thing, even on clay.

Castafiore
06-02-2006, 08:30 PM
Nadal STILL says Fed is the favorite?
:lol:

Let me try to translate the Q&A posted by Honigman where Federer is mentioned (taking into consideration that Rafa didn't say these things in French so things could get lost in translation here...)
Q. Comment vois-tu les choses pour Federer, c'est un favori aussi, n'est-ce pas ?

R. Oui, on verra cela.
___
Q. How do you see things for Federer, he's also a favorite, isn't he?

R. Yes, we'll see about that.

___
So, it's the journalist who asked him once again about Federer being a favorite and his reply is rather vague so...

oneandonlyhsn
06-02-2006, 08:33 PM
Oh give me a break. Roger is not his only rival, and you know it full well.


I was talking about clay, who else do you think can push him on the dirt :confused: Like I said supposed rival since Fed hasnt even won a match in their last meetings on dirt

DrJules
06-02-2006, 08:34 PM
But is Rafa really the obvious favorite? In betting circles, yes- I don’t think so much in other areas.

For example, the poll that was posted here on MTF asked who would win RG and Roger had more votes. Commentators and ex-players such as Wilander and Laver are predicting a Roger win if the two meet in the finals.

And even is general comments on this and other forums, I don’t know how many times I have read the mantra that Roger is much more talented than Nadal, Rome showed how close he was to beating Rafa, Roger is stronger than ever on clay and that Roger will likely win if they meet.

Betting odds have Rafael strong favourite.

Past players and tennis journalists mostly favour Rafael.



Rafael seems to be most peoples pick.

mallorn
06-02-2006, 08:36 PM
I was talking about clay, who else do you think can push him on the dirt :confused: Like I said supposed rival since Fed hasnt even won a match in their last meetings on dirt
I think Blake will be very dangerous. He's very confident against Rafa, he just blew Almagro off the court and he's been saying how he's feeling better on clay courts these days.