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Fastest claycourts ever..

ys
06-02-2006, 03:27 PM
Never seen claycourts play as fast as they play at this RG.. Like hardcourts.. Blake was hitting winners from all over the place. Now Tursunov, normally clueless on clay, is doing the same. And the number of unreturned serve in a match of two very decent returners is unbelievably high.. Nalbadyan not returning 3 serves out of 5? He does better on hardcourts or even grass..

I guess organizers really want to become venue of Roger's Slam.. :lol:

Blue Orange
06-02-2006, 03:30 PM
Never seen claycourts play as fast as they play at this RG.. Like hardcourts.. Blake was hitting winners from all over the place. Now Tursunov, normally clueless on clay, is doing the same. And the number of unreturned serve in a match of two very decent returners is unbelievably high.. Nalbadyan not returning 3 serves out of 5? He does better on hardcourts or even grass..

I guess organizers really want to become venue of Roger's Slam.. :lol:

Those are some good points - sadly not seen a great deal of coverage so fa this year but I also have the impression that the courts are quicker than clay courts tend to be.

Just looking at match stats Nalbandian is winning a mere 21% of recieving points - not a figure one would normally expect

hitchhiker
06-02-2006, 03:30 PM
but nadal will win anyway

Chocobo
06-02-2006, 03:34 PM
Well, maybe today, but yesterday with the humidity, light rain, it was very very heavy and slow...Grosjean said he played with the loosest stringing of his entire career to try to cope with the damp conditions.

Blue Orange
06-02-2006, 03:38 PM
May just be amazing serving - 6 points against serve in the first ten games of the second set!

ys
06-02-2006, 03:43 PM
Nalbandian not breaking someone on clay for two sets? Having just two pitiful breakpoints? Amazing serving.. :lol: Tursunov is a decent server.. But Nalbandian?

jayrhum
06-02-2006, 03:47 PM
I guess organizers really want to become venue of Roger's Slam.. :lol:
They even plan to put some grass (painted in red) on court the night before the finals...
Nadal might be surprised... :eek:

Neely
06-02-2006, 03:52 PM
I agree with the tenor of the initial post. For me it's also proven fact that -under same conditions- Roland Garros was (almost continously?!) sped up during the last 10, 15 years. Especially the underground under the layer of clay seems to be very hard and stiff and this can make such a court play like a (slow) hardcourt with a thin dust layer on it.

The right thing would be to let each surface have its own specifics. Not every claycourt or hardcourt or whatever must have the same speed, but the tendency clearly should be to have grasscourt/carpet courts (ultra)fast and to have the vast majority of all claycourts (clearly) slower than the rest of all.

To speed up clay - or to slow down grass. I like one option even less, but generally I don't like both.

alfonsojose
06-02-2006, 04:00 PM
If it's a sunnt day it's not that strange. Yesterday, Vassallo Arguello was using huge topspin forehands and moon balls and Grosjean coudln't hurt him at all. It was really slow and the argie used it well :shrug:

But i agree with Neelyy. Every surface should keep its basic characteristics :)

ys
06-02-2006, 04:26 PM
If it's a sunnt day it's not that strange. Yesterday, Vassallo Arguello was using huge topspin forehands and moon balls and Grosjean coudln't hurt him at all. It was really slow and the argie used it well :shrugs :)

Yesterday it was not surface. It was moisture that made balls heavier. The surface itself was nearly as fast.

shotgun
06-02-2006, 04:32 PM
Yeah I believe that there's not much clay on the surface, similar to the courts in Rome.

DrJules
06-02-2006, 04:42 PM
If I am not mistaken Boris Becker in late 80's and early 90's reached semi-final 3 times. He said the RG courts were harder and faster than most clay courts when he was playing. Fastest year at RG was about 10 years ago when Kafelnikov beat Stich.

Timariot
06-02-2006, 04:48 PM
RG courts have almost always been amongst the faster ones...especially if it's sunny (admittably not really so this year).

BlackSilver
06-02-2006, 05:16 PM
Moya couldn't return well Davydenko's serve, and this is sad.........

Tursunov is playing baseball and was catapulting Nalbandian to outside the court while he was hitting most of the balls inside the court

This may be my impression, but I think the balls are bouncing relatively low, going to the comfort zone of this kind of attack's play, helping even more the fast courts

This is becoming a big joke......

nobama
06-02-2006, 05:19 PM
It's a conspiracy you know. Just to get Roger the one slam he doesn't have. ;)

BlackSilver
06-02-2006, 05:24 PM
It's a conspiracy you know. Just to get Roger the one slam he doesn't have. ;)


Good for him, bad for tennis (at least today)

DrJules
06-02-2006, 05:28 PM
Moya couldn't return well Davydenko's serve, and this is sad.........

Tursunov is playing baseball and was catapulting Nalbandian to outside the court while he was hitting most of the balls inside the court

This may be my impression, but I think the balls are bouncing relatively low, going to the comfort zone of this kind of attack's play, helping even more the fast courts

This is becoming a big joke......

Surely it is good to give both styles of play chances to perform. The courts are not playing that fast. It is still slower than most non-clay courts.

oneandonlyhsn
06-02-2006, 05:34 PM
Oh plz :rolleyes: the AO courts have been slowed down so much, just as Wimby. Nobody seems to care.

BlackSilver
06-02-2006, 05:39 PM
Surely it is good to give both styles of play chances to perform. The courts are not playing that fast. It is still slower than most non-clay courts.


You are the genius that said that Almagro play defensive tennis?

Oh plz the AO courts have been slowed down so much, just as Wimby. Nobody seems to care.

This was for me? Anyway, what the hell one thing has to do with the other?

mongo
06-02-2006, 05:40 PM
Never seen claycourts play as fast as they play at this RG.. Like hardcourts.. Blake was hitting winners from all over the place. Now Tursunov, normally clueless on clay, is doing the same. And the number of unreturned serve in a match of two very decent returners is unbelievably high.. Nalbadyan not returning 3 serves out of 5? He does better on hardcourts or even grass..

I guess organizers really want to become venue of Roger's Slam.. :lol:Not by a long shot. Don't you remember 1996?

No rain and two weeks of simmering heat...only reached 70 degrees F today.

Sampras def. 2-time winner Courier in quarters to reach semis

Kafelnikov def. (Wimby champ) Stich in Finals

Not the usual suspects in '96.

oneandonlyhsn
06-02-2006, 05:42 PM
This was for me? Anyway, what the hell one thing has to do with the other?

No it wasnt for you sweetie :kiss: Its just usual to hear complaints about clay. Its getting old

rofe
06-02-2006, 05:47 PM
It would be funny if Nadal loses to Blake and the "fast" clay courts are blamed for it.

oneandonlyhsn
06-02-2006, 06:09 PM
It would be funny if Nadal loses to Blake and the "fast" clay courts are blamed for it.

:haha: you beat them to it. Thats assuming Blake can get through Monfils which he should

nkhera1
06-02-2006, 06:21 PM
The ESPN reporters have said that the French open is using a lighter grain this year as opposed to other years which is also a reason why a lot of it is blowing off so it looks as if the French Open has been making an effort to make their court a little faster and with the sun as it is, it probably didn't help too much, but the court seemed pretty slow the 2 previous days so I really don't think its that big of an issue.

BlueSwan
06-02-2006, 06:29 PM
Nadal said today in his press conference that he thought the courts were too slow and that he liked them to be faster.

oneandonlyhsn
06-02-2006, 06:33 PM
Nadal said today in his press conference that he thought the courts were too slow and that he liked them to be faster.

Dont you know that MTF'rs know better :lol:

Chocobo
06-02-2006, 06:35 PM
On his first match Nadal also asked the umpire if it was possible to put some more clay on the court cause he found there wasn't enough of it left (all gone with the wind)

Contrary of what many may think, a fast clay perfectly suits Nadal cause his heavy spin takes a lot of speed, which makes it unplayable for most players.

nkhera1
06-02-2006, 07:11 PM
Dont you know that MTF'rs know better :lol:

What? How could Nadal know more than all of us? What credentials does that guy have to make authorative statements like that? ;)

DrJules
06-02-2006, 07:17 PM
What? How could Nadal know more than all of us? What credentials does that guy have to make authorative statements like that? ;)

Impossible :lol: :lol: :lol: for Nadal to know more than MTF posters.

Plastic Bertrand
06-03-2006, 06:32 AM
1996 was the year of the courts where they were at their fastest when the RG semi finalists are Kafelnikov, Sampras, Stich and Rosset. While Kafelnikov, Stich and Rosset were quite good on clay, it was unexpected that these 4 were the last players left standing in the draw.

Less clay and warmer weather.