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RG Scheduling

Scotso
06-01-2006, 07:06 PM
Ridiculous. Like tomorrow Nadal will have to play, and if he wins, he'll have to play again on Saturday. Certainly that isn't going to help him reserve energy for the latter rounds.

It's silly, they know that rain is possible, yet they still put all the singles matches on a few courts and thus many players have to play three days in a row. Don't they learn?

Scotso
06-01-2006, 07:06 PM
Oh, and they didn't even put Nadal up first tomorrow. :shrug:

Yappa
06-01-2006, 07:08 PM
What pisses me off is, that due to all those matches tomorrow, Eurosport probably wont continue to show the Blake-Almagro match. :(

World Beater
06-01-2006, 07:11 PM
boo-hoo...nadal should finish the job in an hour 30 easily. Nadal could have played soderling,kim and whoeverisnext in the same day, and still be fine.

its not like he has a tough draw.

i feel bad for blake and almagro. At least thats somewhat of a match.

oneandonlyhsn
06-01-2006, 07:12 PM
Nadal doesnt need to worry about saving energy its not like he is facing anyone threatening :shrug:

However the RG schedule sucks, everything about it is shitty so far

scoobs
06-01-2006, 07:12 PM
What pisses me off is, that due to all those matches tomorrow, Eurosport probably wont continue to show the Blake-Almagro match. :(
Ditto - annoying.

Thankfully though in Britain, with Tim's loss, there's a chance we may focus on good matches instead of having to genuflect toward Tim's Last Stand on Clay.

I'm fed up of this Paris weather though - please some sunshine, heat and a full day's play with happy players and happy crowds!!!!

Scotso
06-01-2006, 07:13 PM
Nadal doesnt need to worry about saving energy its not like he is facing anyone threatening :shrug:

However the RG schedule sucks, everything about it is shitty so far

Still playing a match every day takes a lot out of you mentally... not that you would mind that. :p

JMG
06-01-2006, 07:13 PM
There is a doubles first round match match #5 while the second round starts at 11am already.

oneandonlyhsn
06-01-2006, 07:18 PM
Still playing a match every day takes a lot out of you mentally... not that you would mind that. :p

Obviously I wouldnt mind :D :p but looking at his opponents in the draw he could play all of them back to back and would hurt his brain whatsoever ;)

Billabong
06-01-2006, 07:22 PM
Still playing a match every day takes a lot out of you mentally... not that you would mind that. :p

wait a minute..... seriously, are you really worried about Nadal's next matches if he plays 2 in a row:eek:?

DrJules
06-01-2006, 07:23 PM
Ridiculous. Like tomorrow Nadal will have to play, and if he wins, he'll have to play again on Saturday. Certainly that isn't going to help him reserve energy for the latter rounds.

It's silly, they know that rain is possible, yet they still put all the singles matches on a few courts and thus many players have to play three days in a row. Don't they learn?


Maybe they should have put more matches on last Sunday and used the extra day more effectively.

Anyway at least they do not have "Stupid Saturday". A moronic idea of the US Open of potentially playing 2 five set matches, a semi-final and final, on successive days.

Allez
06-01-2006, 07:25 PM
Round 2 matches being played on a Friday is a bit weird especially considering the Sunday start. What if it rains tomorrow ? We'll have everything cramped into the 2nd week and then they won't show all the matches as some might be pushed out to the outside courts. Stupid Stupid Stupid.

Merton
06-01-2006, 07:26 PM
I don't care about Rafa at this point, think of Verdasco-Monaco who will have to come back for a best out of 3 match tomorrow with the winner taking on Ljubicic or Blake-Almagro, with the winner taking on Monfils. Both Monfils and Ljubicic were done today.

Billabong
06-01-2006, 07:28 PM
I don't care about Rafa at this point, think of Verdasco-Monaco who will have to come back for a best out of 3 match tomorrow with the winner taking on Ljubicic or Blake-Almagro, with the winner taking on Monfils. Both Monfils and Ljubicic were done today.

Exactly:yeah:

scoobs
06-01-2006, 07:29 PM
I don't think they made effective enough use of the extra day at all. It might have been better to have got more R1 out of the way on Sunday on the outer courts and on Tuesday started R2 top half while finishing R1 bottom half and then adjusting to the normal pattern after R2 is complete.

As it is they had 12 matches on last sunday and now the weather has left them 10 singles matches incomplete or not started by the end of R2 on Thursday.

Not too clever.

I know this is rare sustained crap weather in Paris but happening on the first ever year of a 15 day tournament, it makes them look dumb :)

Johnny Groove
06-01-2006, 07:30 PM
maybe they should just forget all the doubles matches and just play singles, or put singles matches all first before the doubles. Singles is what draws crowds, no?

scoobs
06-01-2006, 07:32 PM
I did find it bizarre they had a lot of courts scheduled full-on doubles today instead of getting more singles out of the way first.

But then the weather forecast was *supposed* to be dry, sunny and getting warmer for today!

I'd sack the French weather bureau in its entirety - they haven't got it right yet this week.

Apparently tomorrow will be bright sunshine and warming - so if you're going, take your galoshes and raincoat, and perhaps a fleece.

DDrago2
06-01-2006, 07:35 PM
Ridiculous. Like tomorrow Nadal will have to play, and if he wins, he'll have to play again on Saturday. Certainly that isn't going to help him reserve energy for the latter rounds.


Poor, poor Nadal - he has a tough draw, he had no luck in his matches thoutghout his carrier, and now this... to stay out of energy - while still so young, and with such huge biceps... But don't worry - he has many weapons, such as his top-spin forehand, then his top-spin forehand, and also his top-spin forehand... he will make it alright.

Better out of energy than of his "Vamos!" shouts!

mangoes
06-01-2006, 07:35 PM
Of all the players that are facing such a situation, Nadal is the very last person that such a schedule will affect. In fact, Blake and Almagro are the ones at a true disadvantage. Nadal's match against Kim will be nothing more than a practice session for him.

Chocobo
06-01-2006, 07:35 PM
Maybe they should have put more matches on last Sunday and used the extra day more effectively.

Exactly. Since they decided to play the first Sunday anyway, they could have least have done it a "real" 1st day, with 20 Men's singles R1 and 20 Women's singles R1

And apparently the weather will not really improve tomorrow :shrug:

justClaudia
06-01-2006, 07:37 PM
I don't care about Rafa at this point, think of Verdasco-Monaco who will have to come back for a best out of 3 match tomorrow with the winner taking on Ljubicic or Blake-Almagro, with the winner taking on Monfils. Both Monfils and Ljubicic were done today.


:yeah:

Fernando and Juan SHOULD be the first match tomorow, and I don't think they will. That is a shame.

DrJules
06-01-2006, 07:42 PM
Of all the players that are facing such a situation, Nadal is the very last person that such a schedule will affect. In fact, Blake and Almagro are the ones at a true disadvantage. Nadal's match against Kim will be nothing more than a practice session for him.

Nadal's one sided 3 set matches can be incredibly exausting. :haha:

Billabong
06-01-2006, 07:44 PM
Nadal's one sided 3 set matches can be incredibly exausting. :haha:

of course:lol:

scoobs
06-01-2006, 07:50 PM
I agree Nadal's not really going to be too concerned in terms of exhaustion - although because he's been postponed he has now had THREE days between his first and second round, which can't be too nice.

Though considering the conditions and his performance in Round 1, maybe his best approach is to treat this like the real start of the tournament for him :)

mangoes
06-01-2006, 07:50 PM
Nadal's one sided 3 set matches can be incredibly exausting. :haha:

:o My fault......... I didn't realize how tough an opponent he was facing :lol: :lol:

*julie*
06-01-2006, 07:51 PM
Ridiculous. Like tomorrow Nadal will have to play, and if he wins, he'll have to play again on Saturday. Certainly that isn't going to help him reserve energy for the latter rounds.



They did it on purpose to give some advantages to Paulo. :devil:

PHM will have a day off tomorrow whereas Nadal won't.
And PHM will be at his best mentally on saturday... :tape:

Chocobo
06-01-2006, 07:52 PM
:yeah:

Fernando and Juan SHOULD be the first match tomorow, and I don't think they will. That is a shame.

I think there's a point to this: maybe the players whose match is delayed very late at night, don't want to add to this waking up very early the next day to prepare to continue their match...That's arguable...

mangoes
06-01-2006, 07:52 PM
They did it on purpose to give some advantages to Paulo. :devil:

PHM will have a day off tomorrow whereas Nadal won't.
And PHM will be at his best mentally on saturday... :tape:

:haha: :haha: OK, that's just plain funny.........I'm having flashbacks of PHM in MC :haha:

mallorn
06-01-2006, 07:57 PM
I'm not saying I expect Rafa to have problems against Kim, but it's silly that he's had three days off in the middle of the tournament.

Didn't Roger complain about having to play on Sunday and then on Wednesday? He said it's like starting the tournament twice.

Poor scheduling, they should adapt to the weather more.

mangoes
06-01-2006, 08:02 PM
I'm not saying I expect Rafa to have problems against Kim, but it's silly that he's had three days off in the middle of the tournament.

Didn't Roger complain about having to play on Sunday and then on Wednesday? He said it's like starting the tournament twice.

Poor scheduling, they should adapt to the weather more.


I think it was plain silly that they did not schedule more matches on Sunday. But, I think of all the players facing this situation tomorrow, Nadal and Ferrer are the guys facing the least amount of worry. I feel terrible for Blake, Almagro, Verdasco.......

Billabong
06-01-2006, 08:02 PM
I'm not saying I expect Rafa to have problems against Kim, but it's silly that he's had three days off in the middle of the tournament.

Didn't Roger complain about having to play on Sunday and then on Wednesday? He said it's like starting the tournament twice.

Poor scheduling, they should adapt to the weather more.

Same for Clijsters, she played on Monday and her 2nd round match is on Friday:eek:

scoobs
06-01-2006, 08:04 PM
I wonder what Rafa will say in his blog about it.

mallorn
06-01-2006, 08:11 PM
I think it was plain silly that they did not schedule more matches on Sunday. But, I think of all the players facing this situation tomorrow, Nadal and Ferrer are the guys facing the least amount of worry. I feel terrible for Blake, Almagro, Verdasco.......
I don't understand why they didn't play more matches on Sunday, with all those courts available. They must've known the weather was going to be bad, even I knew that. :shrug:

As I said, I'm not worried about Rafa, and I know many players are in a worse situation.
I wonder what Rafa will say in his blog about it.
That it's frustrating but what can you do? :rolleyes: We should know in about an hour and a half.

tennisgal_001
06-01-2006, 08:16 PM
Well the new OOP is out, so let's see how the organizers attempted to solve this dilemma, keeping in mind there are 4 delayed men's singles matches, and 6 delayed women's singles matches.

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/scores/schedule/index.html

Here's what I think is wrong with it:

1- You don't play the womens' singles AFTER Gaudio/JCF... that match could go on for ages.
2- Berdych/Kiefer is the LAST match... you gotta be kidding, especially with 4 singles matches before, that have barely started.
3- Courts 8, 10, 14, 16, & 17 are solely reserved for doubles. Isn't that a bit shallow considering that there are 10 delayed singles matches, and third round matches on the brink of delay?!
4- Where the heck did courts 4, 5, 9, 11, 12, 13, & 15 go? If they use those courts, I doubt any third-round matches will be delayed.

Overall, I think organizers weren't smart enough to use the Sunday start properly. Everyone knows that it rains in Paris this time of year, and everyone knows that matches could take ages on clay, so might as well use the extra day and benefit from it, not just financially. (And it's not about the draw people, it's about disrupting the players' daily routines and over-extending their energy, for a mere lack of preparation and poor judgement, which will later on come back and bite them in the ass)

scoobs
06-01-2006, 08:19 PM
The French - they like to do it their way.

Thank God they only best of three men's doubles - they'd be in a real mess if that was still best of five.

Lee
06-01-2006, 08:23 PM
1- You don't play the womens' singles AFTER Gaudio/JCF... that match could go on for ages.

The 'to be finished' matches are usually place 2nd on the same court on the next day.

2- Berdych/Kiefer is the LAST match... you gotta be kidding, especially with 4 singles matches before, that have barely started.

There are more rooms on show courts and tickets are more expensive, the tournaments thus need to put more entertaining matches on show courts.

3- Courts 8, 10, 14, 16, & 17 are solely reserved for doubles. Isn't that a bit shallow considering that there are 10 delayed singles matches, and third round matches on the brink of delay?!
4- Where the heck did courts 4, 5, 9, 11, 12, 13, & 15 go? If they use those courts, I doubt any third-round matches will be delayed.

I believe all the courts will be utilized if rain further delays the tournament. But it's still early rounds and the delays are not that monumental.

tennisgal_001
06-01-2006, 08:33 PM
The 'to be finished' matches are usually place 2nd on the same court on the next day.

True, BUT when the T/F match is almost 1/3 to 1/2 over, it's a waste to schedule it behind an epic that could very well end after 4-5 hours. An alternative would be to play a R3 ladies singles first, followed by the T/F match, THEN Gaudio/JCF.

There are more rooms on show courts and tickets are more expensive, the tournaments thus need to put more entertaining matches on show courts.

I'm not disagreeing, but the tournament screwed up and needs to cut down its losses. By putting that match last they're creating the possibility that another LONG EXHAUSTING match will be delayed. Not a smart move. By rescheduling the OOP, they could still keep it entertaining at the same time more conservative.

I believe all the courts will be utilized if rain further delays the tournament. But it's still early rounds and the delays are not that monumental.

Isn't it obvious by now that the weather sucks it's about time they used those courts to 'save the day'? There's no excuse for this at all. No one can be THAT thick...sorry.

Lee
06-01-2006, 08:42 PM
True, BUT when the T/F match is almost 1/3 to 1/2 over, it's a waste to schedule it behind an epic that could very well end after 4-5 hours. An alternative would be to play a R3 ladies singles first, followed by the T/F match, THEN Gaudio/JCF.

I don't have crystal ball so I don't know the Gaudio/Ferrero match will or will not end in like 4-5 hours. Like I don't have the crystal ball to tell Grosjean will lose to Versallo Arguello or Kiefer and Gicquel took almost 5 hours to settle their match.


I'm not disagreeing, but the tournament screwed up and needs to cut down its losses. By putting that match last they're creating the possibility that another LONG EXHAUSTING match will be delayed. Not a smart move. By rescheduling the OOP, they could still keep it entertaining at the same time more conservative.

I'm not sure those people paying big money for the tickets will agree.

Isn't it obvious by now that the weather sucks it's about time they used those courts to 'save the day'? There's no excuse for this at all. No one can be THAT thick...sorry.

There are still 10 days in the tournament. Only 10 out of 64 2nd round single matches have not started or need to finish. I really don't see the urgency. Sorry, I am THAT thick.

tennisgal_001
06-01-2006, 08:55 PM
I don't have crystal ball so I don't know the Gaudio/Ferrero match will or will not end in like 4-5 hours. Like I don't have the crystal ball to tell Grosjean will lose to Versallo Arguello or Kiefer and Gicquel took almost 5 hours to settle their match.

Exactly my point. The matches are unpredictable and most have ended in +3 hours, so the safest thing to do to avoid further delays is to play the T/F ladies' singles ASAP.

I'm not sure those people paying big money for the tickets will agree.

The organizers don't have to reschedule which match goes on which court. Just rearrange their order and satisfy the fans AS WELL AS the players.

There are still 10 days in the tournament. Only 10 out of 64 2nd round single matches have not started or need to finish. I really don't see the urgency. Sorry, I am THAT thick.

I didn't mean YOU were thick, if it sounded as if I did then I apologize. I was referring to the organizers and the weathermen. The two weeks are nerve-wrecking w/o delays, how about when countless/endless rain delays are involved!?

Scotso
06-02-2006, 12:49 AM
Scheduling of the Berdych match is really dumb. They need to put three singles on max when they think it will rain.

People are laughing about Rafa, but if it were Federer that had to play two days in a row, would they do it? I mean, sure, Kim shouldn't trouble Nadal... but it is a match and having to play matches back to back is tiring. At a slam you expect to have a day off.

nobama
06-02-2006, 12:55 AM
Scheduling of the Berdych match is really dumb. They need to put three singles on max when they think it will rain.

People are laughing about Rafa, but if it were Federer that had to play two days in a row, would they do it? I mean, sure, Kim shouldn't trouble Nadal... but it is a match and having to play matches back to back is tiring. At a slam you expect to have a day off.If Federer had two days back to back would you even care? Would you even have started this thread? :shrug:

Johnny Groove
06-02-2006, 01:01 AM
Les Francais sont tres, tres laissez faire avec les jouers. It seems the tournament director(s) just picked a random match and put them on a random court at a random time.

Scotso
06-02-2006, 01:07 AM
If Federer had two days back to back would you even care? Would you even have started this thread? :shrug:

No, I wouldn't care about Federer, but I wouldn't come in and say "don't worry about him, blah blah..." I still would have started the thread, because other players I like have been forced to delays or whatnot, like Robredo. I still think the scheduling is stupid no matter who it affects.

Scotso
06-02-2006, 01:08 AM
And the fact that I wouldn't care doesn't negate the fact that Federer fans would, and thus it's a bit hypocritical for them to say that people shouldn't be concerned about Nadal having to play two days in a row, etc.

mangoes
06-02-2006, 01:15 AM
And the fact that I wouldn't care doesn't negate the fact that Federer fans would, and thus it's a bit hypocritical for them to say that people shouldn't be concerned about Nadal having to play two days in a row, etc.


As a Federer fan, I've heard two things being whined about from Nadal fans.

1. Federer plays on Sunday therefore he has an advantage over Nadal.

2. Nadal is playing back to back so once again Federer has an advantage over Nadal....

3. Any hints at what no. 3 will be??

The fact is there are many core Nadal fans that aren't worried. If anything, they are concerned that he had 3 days off. And just so I don't hear anymore whining, I really, really hope Nadal beats Mathieu or we will never hear the end of this :rolleyes: Lastly, you did not talk about the other players in your original posting...........this thread was all about Nadal's disadvantage and Federer's advantage.

One more thing, I can assure you that it is quite doubtful that any Federer fan would whine that Roger is playing Kim and then Mathieu in back to back days. Given the caliber of player Roger will face in Massu (compared to Kim) and then most likely Berdych/Keifer.......it's pretty fair to say that even with the day's break, Roger has no advantage over Nadal.

The fans that should be complaining are the Blake, Almagro, Verdasco, & Monaco fans............and none of these fan bases started this thread.

World Beater
06-02-2006, 01:32 AM
The fact is there are many core Nadal fans that aren't worried. If anything, they are concerned that he had 3 days off. And just so I don't hear anymore whining, I really, really hope Nadal beats Mathieu or we will never hear the end of this :rolleyes: Lastly, you did not talk about the other players in your original posting...........this thread was all about Nadal's disadvantage and Federer's advantage.

One more thing, I can assure you that it is quite doubtful that any Federer fan would whine that Roger is playing Kim and then Mathieu in back to back days. Given the caliber of player Roger will face in Massu (compared to Kim) and then most likely Berdych/Keifer.......it's pretty fair to say that even with the day's break, Roger has no advantage over Nadal.

The fans that should be complaining are the Blake, Almagro, Verdasco, & Monaco fans............and none of these fan bases started this thread.

Exactly, the thread starter's first post is nadal nadal nadal. poor nadal, the world is against him.

when in reality the other players are suffering much more and there was no mention of them.

Scotso
06-02-2006, 03:59 AM
Oh god, people. :rolleyes: I didn't say the world was against Nadal, I said it was poor scheduling, and it is. You don't have to be a Nadal fan to realize that. And while I like Nadal, I'm not a hardcore Nadal fan. So please, just get over it. If I wanted, I could post many cases of Federer fans whining.

NYCtennisfan
06-02-2006, 04:04 AM
It's just the luck of the draw when it comes to rain. M, T, W, TH are always used for the first 2 rounds. They obviously thought there was going to be enough sunlight to get the matches in today but it didn't work out that way.

As for Nadal, this won't hurt him in any way, shape, or form.

NYCtennisfan
06-02-2006, 04:08 AM
I wonder what Rafa will say in his blog about it.

This is bullshit scheduling, no?

atheneglaukopis
06-02-2006, 04:42 AM
This is bullshit scheduling, no?
As it turns out, he had last-minute string issues and the delayed match was a blessing in disguise. But if that weren't the case, he might have had something stronger to say about it.

Action Jackson
06-02-2006, 06:09 AM
I don't care about Rafa at this point, think of Verdasco-Monaco who will have to come back for a best out of 3 match tomorrow with the winner taking on Ljubicic or Blake-Almagro, with the winner taking on Monfils. Both Monfils and Ljubicic were done today.

This is spot on. At the same time there is a rule that there has to be sufficient time in between the end of the days play before they resume their matches and this means none of the non-completed matches can start 1st.

Say play finishes at 9pm, then they have to go off court, have a shower, get changed, get some food, warm down and get a massage, then go back to the hotel and that will take some time and then they have to go to bed and if they are fortunate then they will be asleep by midnight and since play starts 11am, then that's why they don't put the incomplete matches on 1st.

A_Skywalker
06-02-2006, 07:25 AM
Its really pour scheduling , and Mathieu vs Nadal will not be easy , although Mathieu sometimes hands the match to his opponents he might take 1 set from Nadal which will mean Nadal will have to play 7 sets for 2 days , thats really disadvantage , so it is for the players that play their 2nd r today , especially for Blake and Almagro ,