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Hold the presses ... you have been fed a LIE!

BlakeJamitis
05-30-2006, 07:14 PM
You've heard Brad Gilbert say he's the 3rd best clay courter. You've been told in that other thread that he's gonna destroy Blake & leave the US with no players left. You've heard that he's had a great clay season. Well, let's check the records.

Nicolas Almagro (ESP )
2006 RECORD 18 - 7

Australian Open, Australia
Grand Slam, 16-Jan-06, O, Hard , Draw: 128

R128 Andreev, Igor (RUS ) 26 5-7 4-6 3-6

Santiago, Chile
CH, 23-Jan-06, O, Clay , Draw: 32

R32 Del Potro, Juan Martin (ARG ) N/A 7-5 6-3
R16 Gonzalez, Santiago (MEX ) N/A 6-2 6-3
Q Di Mauro, Alessio (ITA ) N/A 6-3 3-6 4-6


Vina del Mar, Chile
International Series, 30-Jan-06, O, Clay , Draw: 32

R32 Ramirez Hidalgo, Ruben (ESP ) 106 6-0 3-6 1-6


Costa Do Sauipe, Brasil
International Series, 20-Feb-06, O, Clay , Draw: 32

R32 Sa, Andre (BRA ) 241 6-1 7-6(3)
R16 Saretta, Flavio (BRA ) 85 7-5 7-5
Q Massu, Nicolas (CHI ) 55 6-7(4) 3-6


Acapulco, Mexico
International Series Gold, 27-Feb-06, O, Clay , Draw: 32

R32 Vicente, Fernando (ESP ) 95 6-3 4-6 6-4
R16 Acasuso, Jose (ARG ) 35 6-3
Q Montanes, Albert (ESP ) 96 6-4 6-0
S Chela, Juan Ignacio (ARG ) 45 2-6 2-6

Napoli, Italy
CH, 27-Mar-06, O, Clay , Draw: 32

R32 Navarro Pastor, Ivan (ESP ) N/A 5-7 6-2 4-6


Valencia, Spain
International Series, 10-Apr-06, O, Clay , Draw: 32

R32 Ferrero, Juan Carlos (ESP ) 15 6-7(3) 6-4 6-4
R16 Phau, Bjorn (GER ) 71 6-2 6-1
Q Volandri, Filippo (ITA ) 33 6-4 6-1
S Safin, Marat (RUS ) 50 6-2 2-6 6-4
W Simon, Gilles (FRA ) 86 6-2 6-3


Barcelona, Spain
International Series Gold, 24-Apr-06, O, Clay , Draw: 56

R64 Pavel, Andrei (ROM ) 83 6-4 6-2
R32 Monfils, Gael (FRA ) 31 6-2 6-4
R16 Coria, Guillermo (ARG ) 9 6-2 6-0
Q Ferrero, Juan Carlos (ESP ) 28 6-3 6-3
S Nadal, Rafael (ESP ) 2 6-7(2) 3-6


ATP Masters Series Rome, Italy
Tennis Masters Series, 8-May-06, O, Clay , Draw: 64

R64 Massu, Nicolas (CHI ) 31 7-5 6-4
R32 Acasuso, Jose (ARG ) 34 6-4 2-6 6-4
R16 Davydenko, Nikolay (RUS ) 6 7-6(6)
Q Federer, Roger (SUI ) 1 3-6 7-6(2) 5-7


Poertschach, Austria
International Series, 22-May-06, O, Clay , Draw: 32

R32 Rochus, Christophe (BEL ) 76 6-3 6-4
R16 Starace, Potito (ITA ) 78 6-4 4-6 1-6


This does not indicate a record of "the 3rd best clay courter". He has been streaky at best & has some results that are very questionable.
Blake would have to play very badly (yes, he's capable of that) to be destroyed. But Blake could very well beat him in 3 based on the records.
Finally, yes he won Valencia but that draw tells us nothing. Last week, he went out to Starace and has also lost to Mauro, Ramirez, Massu on clay and even to Andreev on the slow rebound ace.

So don't believe the lies, the USA has a chance. Let's go Blake!!! :cool:

Action Jackson
05-30-2006, 07:19 PM
Clutching at straws.

It seems you haven't watched much of the clay season have you? He won Valencia as a qualifer and he also qualified for Rome and tested Federer.

Only way Blake is winning in 3 sets is if he hits less than 10 unforced errors, not happening against a good claycourt player.

Thanks for the laughs.

scoobs
05-30-2006, 07:22 PM
And got to the semis of Barcelona before losing to Nadal.

The loss to Starace last week threw me a little but he looked like he was in cruise control against Arthurs and I think he'll be too hot for Blake to handle.

BlakeJamitis
05-30-2006, 07:24 PM
But George, look at the results. I'm just basing it on what I see. Other people have tested Roger on grass, does that make them the next best thing on grass. Time will tell about this guy but based on these records, he's streaky. If he's that good why the lost just last week for starters

Merton
05-30-2006, 07:24 PM
It doesn't matter whether he is indeed the #3 claycourt player or not, what matters is how he matches against James. The only way Almagro is losing is if he braincramps and decides to engage in a hitting contest. Not likely to happen.

Horatio Caine
05-30-2006, 07:25 PM
Start the record from Acapulco....that is when Almagro took off into the player he is currently

Merton
05-30-2006, 07:27 PM
But George, look at the results. I'm just basing it on what I see. Other people have tested Roger on grass, does that make them the next best thing on grass. Time will tell about this guy but based on these records, he's streaky. If he's that good why the lost just last week for starters

Looking at the European clay court season, his loses have been to Nadal and Federer. There is a strong possibility that he tanked against Starace to get to Paris early.

scoobs
05-30-2006, 07:29 PM
I might think Blake had a chance if it were best of 3. Best of 5? I don't think so somehow. Almagro would have to play a really shitty match - either that or James has discovered a new affinity for the red stuff. I'm dubious.

Action Jackson
05-30-2006, 07:30 PM
But George, look at the results. I'm just basing it on what I see. Other people have tested Roger on grass, does that make them the next best thing on grass. Time will tell about this guy but based on these records, he's streaky. If he's that good why the lost just last week for starters

I know exactly what I am looking at. Overall recent form no one tries their hardest the week before a Slam.

Pushed Nadal and Federer to close matches on clay and Blake wouldn' t win enough matches on the surface to get there on clay.

You haven't watched him if play recently, cause if you had and came up with analysis I want some of the pot you're smoking.

BlakeJamitis
05-30-2006, 07:31 PM
Yes, Blake may lose but the fact that all of you are so 100% sure is beyond me. His results do not indicate that you can ink him in for the 3rd round.

Moya took a set off Nadal but Blake beat Moya. I'm just saying, calm down on the exaggerations & let the match happen.

fenomeno2111
05-30-2006, 07:32 PM
But George, look at the results. I'm just basing it on what I see. Other people have tested Roger on grass, does that make them the next best thing on grass. Time will tell about this guy but based on these records, he's streaky. If he's that good why the lost just last week for starters

OK, so i must tell you to look at his game! Don't you think he is one of the best claycourters right now? He's not number 3, with that part I agree but Top-10 on clay.... :o sure he is. He's a much better player than Blake on clay, that doesn't it is granted that he's gonna win but very likely

robinhood
05-30-2006, 07:34 PM
I want to be optimistic for Blake, too, but him being capable of beating Almagro in three seems overshooting it.

But who knows what's going to happen?
Hopefully things will go his way.

Action Jackson
05-30-2006, 07:35 PM
Yes, Blake may lose but the fact that all of you are so 100% sure is beyond me. His results do not indicate that you can ink him in for the 3rd round.

Moya took a set off Nadal but Blake beat Moya. I'm just saying, calm down on the exaggerations & let the match happen.

You haven't seen him play have you? It's obvious enough that this is the case and as for being calm. You are the ones talking up Blake's chances and the only chance Blake will have is when he books his flight to London, he is not winning this match.

BlakeJamitis
05-30-2006, 07:39 PM
Start the record from Acapulco....that is when Almagro took off into the player he is currently

So just because someone has been hot automatically mean they stay hot. That's another bad assumption. Just ask the Detroit Pistons

the only chance Blake will have is when he books his flight to London, he is not winning this match

:haha: :worship:

You are hilarious George.

DrJules
05-30-2006, 07:44 PM
You've heard Brad Gilbert say he's the 3rd best clay courter. You've been told in that other thread that he's gonna destroy Blake & leave the US with no players left. You've heard that he's had a great clay season. Well, let's check the records.


3rd = David Nalbandian

uglyamerican
05-30-2006, 07:46 PM
Blake is 2/1 underdog on the vBetting. Sounds about right to me. I don't forsee a lot of people backing Blake at that number.

Freeze17171
05-30-2006, 08:54 PM
This isn't like Max Mirnyi "getting hot" and winning a couple matches in a row on clay, Almagro is a young player who has tons of talent, especially on clay. Now he is finally starting to put it together and harnessing his skills. If you watched him play recently instead of just looking at his stats from a year ago, wou would see how good his game is and he could easily be arguable as a top 5 clay courter as of this moment.

BlakeJamitis
05-30-2006, 08:56 PM
No one is talking about a year ago. We're talking about 2006. In fact, we're talking about as recently as the week of May 22, 2006

Rogiman
05-30-2006, 08:58 PM
Not sure how Almagro's body will react if James (by some miracle) can make it a long one, then again - James' 5 sets record :o

_pyromatic
05-30-2006, 09:04 PM
Yes, Blake may lose but the fact that all of you are so 100% sure is beyond me. His results do not indicate that you can ink him in for the 3rd round.

Moya took a set off Nadal but Blake beat Moya. I'm just saying, calm down on the exaggerations & let the match happen.
Methinks your love of Blake is affecting your opinion just a little. :rolleyes:

Scotso
05-30-2006, 09:05 PM
Uh ok?

rofe
05-30-2006, 09:28 PM
I like Blake's brand of tennis but even I have to admit that I will be shocked if he wins tomorrow.

Get over it.

Viken01
05-30-2006, 09:39 PM
3rd = David Nalbandian

:yeah:

celcius
05-30-2006, 09:47 PM
I might think Blake had a chance if it were best of 3. Best of 5? I don't think so somehow. Almagro would have to play a really shitty match - either that or James has discovered a new affinity for the red stuff. I'm dubious.
Agreed. I feel bad saying this, but the more sets Blake has to win on clay, the less likely I see him winning. Blake is a somewhat streaky player during matches and I can see him winning easily at first but losing in 5 sets (or less).

scoobs
05-30-2006, 10:42 PM
I don't read a lot into Blake's recent wins on clay, unfortunately - Moya was a good win in Hamburg but Murray, well, he's as erratic as they come on any surface, and Srichaphan - I have NEVER seen a player so clay-averse as he is.

Blake of course has a chance if he plays very well and Almagro is off the boil but I just think Nico's natural affinity for the dirt will see him through.

admiralpye
05-31-2006, 05:07 AM
But George, look at the results. I'm just basing it on what I see. Other people have tested Roger on grass, does that make them the next best thing on grass. Time will tell about this guy but based on these records, he's streaky. If he's that good why the lost just last week for starters

Well, Blake hasn't performed well in claycourts this season, and Almagro is no doubt on a roll here. Blake has his strengths, and he's one of the nicest players on court, but I have to put my money on Almagro for this one. (if this were hardcourts, it would be a different story).

its.like.that
05-31-2006, 01:23 PM
The only way Blake wins is if MTF says so.

Purple Rainbow
06-01-2006, 07:22 AM
Kim has a better chance to beat Nadal than Blake has of beating Almagro.

hitchhiker
06-02-2006, 04:19 PM
You haven't seen him play have you? It's obvious enough that this is the case and as for being calm. You are the ones talking up Blake's chances and the only chance Blake will have is when he books his flight to London, he is not winning this match.

Karma rules :cool:

tangerine_dream
06-02-2006, 04:30 PM
^^^^ fonsie's post

Indeed, George, thanks for the laughs. :haha:

alfonsojose
06-02-2006, 04:33 PM
You haven't seen him play have you? It's obvious enough that this is the case and as for being calm. You are the ones talking up Blake's chances and the only chance Blake will have is when he books his flight to London, he is not winning this match.
:haha: :haha:

scoobs
06-02-2006, 04:34 PM
Well....I was wrong.

Great match from Blake - he really surprised me how comfortable he looked on the clay.

To take down Almagro in 4, who has had a very good European clay season, is an amazing result for him.

He was hugely impressive.

alfonsojose
06-02-2006, 04:36 PM
Kim has a better chance to beat Nadal than Blake has of beating Almagro.
:haha: :haha:

scoobs
06-02-2006, 04:39 PM
Upsets like this are what make tennis so fascinating :)

robinhood
06-02-2006, 05:12 PM
This thread was a lot of fun.