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Söderling: "Federer is much better than Nadal"

*Viva Chile*
05-30-2006, 02:31 PM
I translate what I found on a very credible newspaper of my country:

http://www.deportivo.cl/medio/articulo/0,0,3308_5832_214002154,00.html
Very annoying after his defeat in first round of Roland Garros at the hands of Rafael Nadal, stayed the Swedish tennis player Robin Söderling. The weird thing is that the Scandinavian “got angry” with Nadal, because after the match indicated that the Spanish does not deserve to won so many times to Roger Federer, because the Swiss is a better player. “Federer is far a better player. In fact, I think that is a little weird that Nadal has won to him several times. I believe that this time Federer will defeat to him”, indicated Soderling. The mentioned triumph on Soderling allowed Nadal to add his consecutive victory number 54 on clay and to surpass therefore the record that until now was in being able of the Argentinean Guillermo Vilas.

:rolleyes:

swissfed
05-30-2006, 02:43 PM
I doubt if he 's talking about ''Clay''

Kristen
05-30-2006, 02:43 PM
I translate what I found on a very credible newspaper of my country:

http://www.deportivo.cl/medio/articulo/0,0,3308_5832_214002154,00.html
Very annoying after his defeat in first round of Roland Garros at the hands of Rafael Nadal, stayed the Swedish tennis player Robin Söderling. The weird thing is that the Scandinavian “got angry” with Nadal, because after the match indicated that the Spanish does not deserve to won so many times to Roger Federer, because the Swiss is a better player. “Federer is far a better player. In fact, I think that is a little weird that Nadal has won to him several times. I believe that this time Federer will defeat to him”, indicated Soderling. The mentioned triumph on Soderling allowed Nadal to add his consecutive victory number 54 on clay and to surpass therefore the record that until now was in being able of the Argentinean Guillermo Vilas.
:rolleyes: I see no problem. How is this not true? Yeah, Rafa is great on clay, but the way Roger plays/thinks and just 'does what he does', how long will it be before Roger defeats the walking bicep? Maybe not necessarily RG. That'd be like Rafa defeating Roger at Wimbledon, it would be wrong and 'twilight zone'-like.

Robin is just stating an opinion and isn't saying "Rafa is a jerk and deserves to lose...and the only reason Kristen got about twenty google alerts about me this week, is because they all knew I would lose in his important match"

Deboogle!.
05-30-2006, 02:47 PM
He's actually played them both, which none of us can say. He has a right to his opinion just like anyone else, no?

mangoes
05-30-2006, 02:49 PM
His opinion...........he has played both of them........

Kristen
05-30-2006, 02:52 PM
He's actually played them both, which none of us can say. He has a right to his opinion just like anyone else, no? How long have you been on MTF for again, Deb? :lol: :hug:

NYCtennisfan
05-30-2006, 02:53 PM
I think perhaps he is talking about tennis talent. There is no way anybody can take away from Nadal's results, but there does seem to be two different sets of acolades for Fed and Nadal. For example, McEnroe often talks about Fed's "genius", or "talent", or "incredible shot-making ability", while he talks about Nadal's "mental toughness", or "energy", or "fitness". It seems a lot of other players label the players this way. Soderling was probably bitter that Nadal rarely hit the ball by him yet won so easily.

shotgun
05-30-2006, 02:59 PM
He just said that he considers Federer a better player than Nadal. Only this article is trying to imply that they were sore remarks (i.e. sour grapes), and that doesn't seem to be the case to me.

Action Jackson
05-30-2006, 03:01 PM
I have read a Swedish paper about what the Toad said.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/sport/story/0,2789,833112,00.html

Men Söderling tror inte att Nadal kommer ta hem franska mästerskapen.

– Nej, Federer är en mycket bättre spelare. Jag tycker faktiskt det är lite konstigt att Nadal slagit honom flera gånger. Jag tror Federer tar honom.

But the Toad doesn't believe that Nadal will go home with the title.

"No, Federer is a much better player. Actually, I think it's a little strange that Nadal has defeated him several times. I believe that Federer will take him."

Clara Bow
05-30-2006, 03:01 PM
Yeah, Rafa is great on clay, but the way Roger plays/thinks and just 'does what he does', how long will it be before Roger defeats the walking bicep?

I actually think that there is more to Rafa's game than just a bicep. Unlike a lot of posters on this board- I do think he had some good tennis smarts. He shows it more on clay, and I wish he would show it more on hardcourts, but he does have a good tennis mind imo.

He's actually played them both, which none of us can say. He has a right to his opinion just like anyone else, no?

Yes- he had played them both. Yes, I think that about everyone can say that Federer is the most talented. But- I think it should be acknowledged that Rafa has one of the biggest hearts out there in the sport.

This is one thing that annoys me about tennis. Everyone always seems to say that so and so should have won because they have the most talent. Well- sometimes the fight and grit should be considered and applauded. And that, Rafa has. (I am not saying Rgoer does not have heart, he does...but Nadal's mentaility is such a strength of his game.) If everyone thinks that that the player with the most inate talent should always win- why should there even be matches? To use an analogy from another sport- one of the greatest stories in sport imo of 2006+ was when George Mason beat the far more talented Connecticut during the Elite Eight of the NCAA basketball tournament. GMU simply played to their upmost and deserved the win, regardless of the fact that Uconn had much more talent on their team.

I think the fact that sometimes players find a way to win against players that have more inate ability on the tennis court than they do should be cheered, not derieded as it seems to often be here.

hitchhiker
05-30-2006, 03:02 PM
if you dont like his opinion then send him a e-mail.....no one cares

vincayou
05-30-2006, 03:06 PM
I got an automatic answer from his mailbox : "I am out of office during the next 2 weeks"

mangoes
05-30-2006, 03:09 PM
I actually think that there is more to Rafa's game than just a bicep. Unlike a lot of posters on this board- I do think he had some good tennis smarts. He shows it more on clay, and I wish he would show it more on hardcourts, but he does have a good tennis mind imo.



Yes- he had played them both. Yes, I think that about everyone can say that Federer is the most talented. But- I think it should be acknowledged that Rafa has one of the biggest hearts out there in the sport.

This is one thing that annoys me about tennis. Everyone always seems to say that so and so should have won because they have the most talent. Well- sometimes the fight and grit should be considered and applauded. And that, Rafa has. (I am not saying Rgoer does not have heart, he does...but Nadal's mentaility is such a strength of his game.) If everyone thinks that that the player with the most inate talent should always win- why should there even be matches? To use an analogy from another sport- one of the greatest stories in sport imo of 2006+ was when George Mason beat the far more talented Connecticut during the Elite Eight of the NCAA basketball tournament. GMU simply played to their upmost and deserved the win, regardless of the fact that Uconn had much more talent on their team.

I think the fact that sometimes players find a way to win against players that have more inate ability on the tennis court than they do should be cheered, not derieded as it seems to often be here.

Was he dismissive of Rafa's abilities?? I didn't think so. He just thought Roger was the better player.

I don't think anyone can be dismissive of Rafa's abilities. Both Roger and Rafa bring something different to the game. Some will enjoy Rafa more than Roger while others will enjoy Roger more than Rafa..........and some will enjoy the both. I think it is fair to say that Roger is more talented than Rafa, but obviously that doesn't mean Roger will win every one of their encounters :lol: because Rafa brings a couple other things to the table :D Nevertheless, tennis is about Roger and Rafa.

As for Soderling, he played a terrible match yesterday. Rafa didn't exactly play a tight match yesterday and there were opportunities offered to his opponent, but Soderling just wasn't good enough to capitalize.

Kristen
05-30-2006, 03:12 PM
I actually think that there is more to Rafa's game than just a bicep. Unlike a lot of posters on this board- I do think he had some good tennis smarts. He shows it more on clay, and I wish he would show it more on hardcourts, but he does have a good tennis mind imo. As do I. Not meant to be taken literally, although I am sure there are many on MTF who like him for this reason more than anything else.

SwiSha
05-30-2006, 03:14 PM
LOL SÖDER

DrJules
05-30-2006, 03:17 PM
The ATP computer agrees with Soderling:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/

Roger with 7,000 points leads Rafael with around 4,500 by 2,500 so there is some factual evidence to indicate that Roger is significantly better. It is not pure fantasy.

Deboogle!.
05-30-2006, 03:23 PM
How long have you been on MTF for again, Deb? :lol: :hug:Too long.

Clara Bow
05-30-2006, 04:01 PM
As for Soderling, he played a terrible match yesterday. Rafa didn't exactly play a tight match yesterday and there were opportunities offered to his opponent, but Soderling just wasn't good enough to capitalize.

Well, I think it is fair to say that neither played their best, in particular with it being in the difficult conditions. Nadal said himself that it was one of his worst days on clay. I do wonder if Rafa played, for example, as he did against Canas during 2005 Rome if Robin would not dismiss Nadal's wins as "weird." :lol:

In regards to the points- I am not denying that Federer is more talented. In fact, I think that Roger is the most talented male player that I have seen in my 25+ years of watching tennis. (Note: I have been watching tennis since pre-school so I am not that old ;))

My main point of contention is that wins by someone in a sport who may be less talented than their opponent are dismissed, which imo opinion are what Robin did in regards to Rafa's wins over Feds by calling them "weird." In other sports, the fact that a less talented team or player may be able to win against a more talented team or player are often praised as a testament to the winning team or players heart and grit, and not derided as something that should not have happened, which seems to be the case more often than not in tennis.

To use another sports anology from another individual sport, I think that we can mostly safely assume that Tiger Woods is the most gifted golfer. But yet- Mickelson's win at the 2004 Master's was praised and not sniffed away as something that should not have happened or something that was "weird." I wish we saw more of that in tennis.

I will get off of my soapbox now. :p

R.Federer
05-30-2006, 04:09 PM
Well it doesn't work like that I'm afraid
Roge has a winning record against james blake and james has a winning record against rafel.
It is all about matchups as everyone, including soderling, knows
But he might well be right that *this* time, in Paris, Roge will win the expected Roger-rafel final

connectolove
05-30-2006, 04:22 PM
posted by ClaraBow: "
I actually think that there is more to Rafa's game than just a bicep. Unlike a lot of posters on this board- I do think he had some good tennis smarts. He shows it more on clay, and I wish he would show it more on hardcourts, but he does have a good tennis mind imo."

I am with you 100%. Soderling is giving an opinion but it puzzles me how many people are upset about Nadal winning so much. I guess this always happens until we get totally used to it and get tired of it. I hope Nadal wins RG but after all that is happening, I have a bad omen : Rog may win :( , which is ok bc he is great. If Nadal wins this years as well, it will be just absolutely wonderful.

MisterQ
05-30-2006, 04:23 PM
I actually think that there is more to Rafa's game than just a bicep. Unlike a lot of posters on this board- I do think he had some good tennis smarts. He shows it more on clay, and I wish he would show it more on hardcourts, but he does have a good tennis mind imo.



I agree, Rafa is a very smart player.

Some people seem to assume that baseline play is a mindless endeavor, but the best baseliners -- players like Nadal, Agassi, and Hewitt (despite their obvious differences) -- all know how to construct points, impose their strengths on their opponents, find their opponents' weaknesses, play with controlled aggression, be patient when necessary, use percentage play, and play wisely on big points.

Lopaka
05-30-2006, 04:31 PM
Monday morning quarter backing is Monday morning quarter backing! If you win you are gracious and if lose you do what you can to salve your ego. For Robin to be saying Federer is better than Nadal seems reasonable. He has lost to Roger three times and only once to Rafa, of course he has only played Rafa once. Robin is certainly entitled to an opinion. We don’t have problems expressing ours :rolleyes:

Rafa has indicated in interviews he respects Roger’s number one status. Regardless what is written it is hard to accept Rafa won 54 straight clay court matches with 3 being against Roger without some skill. Then for those who consider the clay court players as something less than the boys of hard and grass it might be good to remember the lovely desert country of Dubai. Actually Rafa with a 3-0 record against Roger for 2006 seems to be doing fairly well.

Personally I subscribe to Rafa’s each match is different philosophy. In person I’ve only seen him play on hard court and lose before the finals. I’m confident I’ll be a spectator at some tournament with him holding the winner trophy. Until then there is always television. :woohoo:

Blazed
05-30-2006, 04:36 PM
Federer is "much better" than just about everyone on tour. Soderling's comments are neither news nor new.

Argenbrit
05-30-2006, 05:02 PM
Of course he is. :yeah: Just look at his ranking.

alfonsojose
05-30-2006, 05:11 PM
Robin :kiss:

oneandonlyhsn
05-30-2006, 05:22 PM
Fiesty Robin :worship: me like :devil:

soraya
05-30-2006, 06:12 PM
Note: I have been watching tennis since pre-school so I am not that old ;
Lemme see...4 years at preschool + :scratch:
:lol: @ the note

marcelwks
05-30-2006, 06:36 PM
Nadal played on 20-30% of his ability ;)

almouchie
05-30-2006, 06:39 PM
it seems now like every1 has an opinion about the rivalry between nadal & roger

sure got him a bit of media attention, for I dont know who soderling

Castafiore
05-30-2006, 06:44 PM
Hey, it's Soderling's opinion and he has a right to express it. No problem. At this point in their careers, Federer is the better player. Nadal says the same thing quite regularly. :shrug:

One small remark:
Soderling only played against Nadal once = yesterday.
Nadal played a very average match to put it mildly. Robin came with a game plan to the match which was good to see because it worked at times but all in all, he couldn't even put a very average playing Nadal under serious pressure.
So, perhaps he needs to worry more about his own shortcomings before he starts talking about another player. But hey...it's his opinion so...it's fine.

Corey Feldman
05-30-2006, 06:46 PM
nothing wrong with speaking the truth Robin big fella :yeah:

Corey Feldman
05-30-2006, 06:50 PM
no biased from robin either...i remember some needle between Fed and Soders last year during a match in Halle which Fed almost lost, eventually winning 6-7 7-6 6-4..

from BBC sport..The normally unflappable Federer complained at one point that Soderling had stopped playing in the middle of a point after the ball appeared to land out.

"Afterwards he won the point anyway by serving an ace and then jeered right into my face so it's certainly a problem with him right now," said Federer.

scoobs
05-30-2006, 06:55 PM
When I read things like this I can't help thinking there are some players out there who are rooting for Roger to get the slam.

Rogiman
05-30-2006, 06:58 PM
I guess it can frustrate many players that they lose to someone who supposedly (with "supposedly" being key word) does nothing special, yet wins.

When they lose to Federer they may say: "well, his forehand was great" or "he was too good at the net", "he served well" etc.
While Nadal does all of the above, it's rarely clear from the spectator's point of view.

Often when I watch his matches I think "what the hell has he done to make his opponent hit that ball wide", but reality is they keep hitting their shots wide, and long and what not.

Merton
05-30-2006, 06:59 PM
It is obvious that "Federer is much better than Nadal". Rafa himself would agree with that statement. The timing of making that remark immediately after losing seems a bit inopportune.

Action Jackson
05-30-2006, 07:02 PM
It is obvious that "Federer is much better than Nadal". Rafa himself would agree with that statement. The timing of making that remark immediately after losing seems a bit inopportune.

He is not just the Toad cause of his looks.

gebl
05-30-2006, 07:14 PM
Nadal is in the process of learning how to put in less effort in early rounds and not to peak too early in a tournament.

His best reply, (if he were to want to make one), would be to say that he does not need to be as good as Federer has to be, to dispose of Soderling.

bokehlicious
05-30-2006, 07:14 PM
The timing of making that remark immediately after losing seems a bit inopportune.

True. He could've said that anytime else it would have been clever, but right after a loss...

robinhood
05-30-2006, 07:43 PM
True. He could've said that anytime else it would have been clever, but right after a loss...

But seriously. If not right after this loss, then when? Maybe after losing to Federer? If the timing didn't involve a match against either of them, nobody would've cared much about what he said. I mean, it would've looked something very out of the blue.

Allez
05-30-2006, 07:48 PM
I'm a fan of Robin. Yesterday he got a bit flustered not being able to hit trough Nadal's defences. He made some shockers at the net. His movement around the court is still a little suspect. However at times he showed that he does have a game to trouble the top players. He just needs consistency and patience and I don't mean that crap he was doing towards the end of the 2nd set where he was just pushing the ball back into play.

I would take what he says with a grain of salt. He's not the only one who is puzzled at why Nadal is having so much success when it's quite obvious that Federer is the better player by far. This tournament is when Rogi will turn things around, as long as he comes through his very tough section of the draw. At some point talent must prevail over sheer tenacity.

bad gambler
05-30-2006, 08:31 PM
I don't see anything wrong in what he said, it is his opinion after all

NYCtennisfan
05-30-2006, 09:47 PM
One small remark:
Soderling only played against Nadal once = yesterday.
Nadal played a very average match to put it mildly. Robin came with a game plan to the match which was good to see because it worked at times but all in all, he couldn't even put a very average playing Nadal under serious pressure.
So, perhaps he needs to worry more about his own shortcomings before he starts talking about another player. But hey...it's his opinion so...it's fine.

True, but tennis players know who has talent and who doesn't no matter how they play. All they have to do is see a few strokes. I remember Safin beating the hell out of Djokovic in Australia last year because Novak couldn't string together too many rallies, but Safin was very impressed by him anyway because it only takes a couple of games to see who has talent and who doesn't.

In any case, it's always poor form to say anything like this after one loses.

Clara Bow
05-30-2006, 09:50 PM
takes a couple of games to see who has talent and who doesn't.

So are you saying that Nadal has no talent. ;)

rofe
05-30-2006, 09:55 PM
At some point talent must prevail over sheer tenacity.

Unfortunately, talent alone is not enough. Safin is a very good case in point. Roger has proved that too by losing his last three matches against Nadal. Talent coupled with tenacity must prevail over sheer tenacity.

Roger has a very good chance to win the FO but he needs to rein in his concentration lapses throughout the tournament.

El Legenda
05-30-2006, 09:57 PM
Soderling is right. Federer has chances to beat Nadal on clay and Nadal cant touch Roger on grass.

:wavey:

DrJules
05-30-2006, 10:03 PM
Soderling is right. Federer has chances to beat Nadal on clay and Nadal cant touch Roger on grass.

:wavey:

I do not know how good Rafael is on grass this year. However, he seems to keep improving all the time. Better watch out he might beat Ivan on grass. :lol:

DrJules
05-30-2006, 10:06 PM
So are you saying that Nadal has no talent. ;)

Has anyone on MTF said Rafael has no talent. :shrug:

Leo
05-30-2006, 10:13 PM
It's not a big deal. Nadal didn't even play great tennis against Soderling so it's not a surprise he wasn't impressed.

amierin
05-31-2006, 01:26 AM
Opinions are like a**holes. Eveyone has one.

oneandonlyhsn
05-31-2006, 01:44 AM
Opinions are like a**holes. Eveyone has one.

Judging from some of your pathetic posts you should know :rolleyes:

Art&Soul
05-31-2006, 02:05 AM
In the talent wise Rogi is much better so Robi is right with his opinion and i think other players agree with him.

Fergie
05-31-2006, 02:08 AM
Robin is smart! :angel:

shotgun
05-31-2006, 02:13 AM
no biased from robin either...i remember some needle between Fed and Soders last year during a match in Halle which Fed almost lost, eventually winning 6-7 7-6 6-4..

from BBC sport..The normally unflappable Federer complained at one point that Soderling had stopped playing in the middle of a point after the ball appeared to land out.

"Afterwards he won the point anyway by serving an ace and then jeered right into my face so it's certainly a problem with him right now," said Federer.

:lol:

Soderling can be a prick some times. According to some reports, he was insulting Coria in every change over during their match at Flushing Meadows last year. But I like him. :p

Scotso
05-31-2006, 02:25 AM
Rafa is a better player on clay right now. Is Federer a better player? I think we'll have to wait to see. Rafael is still just 19, and Federer wasn't doing anything at that age. So, we'll see.

admiralpye
05-31-2006, 04:46 AM
I see no problem. How is this not true? Yeah, Rafa is great on clay, but the way Roger plays/thinks and just 'does what he does', how long will it be before Roger defeats the walking bicep? Maybe not necessarily RG. That'd be like Rafa defeating Roger at Wimbledon, it would be wrong and 'twilight zone'-like.

Robin is just stating an opinion and isn't saying "Rafa is a jerk and deserves to lose...and the only reason Kristen got about twenty google alerts about me this week, is because they all knew I would lose in his important match"

Seeing as how Federer is STILL number one says a lot about the caliber of player he is. Of course, he would be better than Rafa right now to be able to maintain his position for years.

But it's also unfair to say that Rafa shouldn't win over Federer just because his style of play doesn't suit some fans. At the end of the day, these two players can only go one match at a time, and right now, Rafa has been consistently outplaying Federer.

It doesn't necessarily mean that Federer is slipping, but it DOES mean that Rafa is able to play Roger's game. And that he is becoming a force that the number one has to contend with.

This should be a point of celebration for tennis fans because that means the level of the game is being raised. It makes for more exciting matches -- it's the stuff legends are made of. :)

admiralpye
05-31-2006, 04:50 AM
It's not a big deal. Nadal didn't even play great tennis against Soderling so it's not a surprise he wasn't impressed.

Whether he played well or not, the fact of the matter is Soderling LOST.

And it's much more embarassing for Soderling seeing as how Nadal, even on a bad day, can trump him easily in straight sets, isn't it? His criticism has just bitten him in the ass.

mickymouse
05-31-2006, 04:56 AM
How dare Soderling give his blunt opinion about the latest clay king? So what if he's a professional player who's been on the tour and played with both? Does he really think he knows better than the people on MTF?

admiralpye
05-31-2006, 04:59 AM
How dare Soderling give his blunt opinion about the latest clay king? So what if he's a professional player who's been on the tour and played with both? Does he really think he knows better than the people on MTF?

cheers! :)

LoveFifteen
05-31-2006, 05:33 AM
There are more talents than just shot-making. Mental fortitude is a talent. Speed is a talent. Defense is a talent.

At the end of the day, it's 5-1, Nadal. And a few points and a good line call, and it could possibly be 6-0.

World Beater
05-31-2006, 06:52 AM
There are more talents than just shot-making. Mental fortitude is a talent. Speed is a talent. Defense is a talent.

At the end of the day, it's 5-1, Nadal. And a few points and a good line call, and it could possibly be 6-0.

you are confusing yourself.

At the end of the day, federer is a better player. This is a fact. Nadal may matchup well, but that isn't the point of this thread. Soderling was asked a question, and he said federer is better.

Just the obvious.

One point, and it could be 4-2 nadal. So you cant pick and choose as you want. it works both ways.

Bibberz
05-31-2006, 07:39 AM
:lol:

Soderling can be a prick some times. According to some reports, he was insulting Coria in every change over during their match at Flushing Meadows last year. But I like him. :p
Nadal also made history by beating Soderling and was even presented with a “trophy” (of sorts) after his first round victory. A lot of players might resent Nadal for that—even if they weren’t naturally a jerk. Soderling is of course entitled to his opinion and, really, his remarks aren’t all that inflammatory.

Kristen
05-31-2006, 09:42 AM
Seeing as how Federer is STILL number one says a lot about the caliber of player he is. Of course, he would be better than Rafa right now to be able to maintain his position for years.

But it's also unfair to say that Rafa shouldn't win over Federer just because his style of play doesn't suit some fans. At the end of the day, these two players can only go one match at a time, and right now, Rafa has been consistently outplaying Federer.

It doesn't necessarily mean that Federer is slipping, but it DOES mean that Rafa is able to play Roger's game. And that he is becoming a force that the number one has to contend with.

This should be a point of celebration for tennis fans because that means the level of the game is being raised. It makes for more exciting matches -- it's the stuff legends are made of. :)Could someone translate for me? I just can't see how it relates to anything I said. Then again, I did write my post extremely light-hearted and MTFers are known to analyse the finest details of other peoples posts. :shrug:

FSRteam
05-31-2006, 09:56 AM
Rafa is a better player on clay right now. Is Federer a better player? I think we'll have to wait to see. Rafael is still just 19, and Federer wasn't doing anything at that age. So, we'll see.

Don't be stupid, look what hewitt did at the same age and look what he does now... :rolleyes:

You can compare people's age, it means nothing! Physically and mentally nadal is not a 19 year-old boy!!!

admiralpye
05-31-2006, 09:57 AM
Could someone translate for me? I just can't see how it relates to anything I said. Then again, I did write my post extremely light-hearted and MTFers are known to analyse the finest details of other peoples posts. :shrug:

Well, you said:
I see no problem. How is this not true? Yeah, Rafa is great on clay, but the way Roger plays/thinks and just 'does what he does', how long will it be before Roger defeats the walking bicep? Maybe not necessarily RG. That'd be like Rafa defeating Roger at Wimbledon, it would be wrong and 'twilight zone'-like.


Like Soderling, you think Rafa, "the walking bicep," is not as impressive as Roger. Then you followed up with the declaration that Roger will surely beat Rafa soon. I took the statement as your way to console and assure yourself that Roger isn't dominated by Rafa yet, in spite of his past losses.

In turn, I wanted to say that I agree with you; Roger is a very impressive player, and one of the best in the Open Era. Contrary to what other people think right now, he is not slipping from his number one spot, nor is he on his way out.

But at the same time, you would be mistaken if you thought Rafa and his triumphs are a fluke. Whether you are impressed with Rafa's style in playing or not, whether or not you consider him talented enough, "the walking bicep" has indeed reached a level of play that has become a real challenge for Federer.

I apologize for taking your post seriously.

FSRteam
05-31-2006, 09:59 AM
There are more talents than just shot-making. Mental fortitude is a talent. Speed is a talent. Defense is a talent.

At the end of the day, it's 5-1, Nadal. And a few points and a good line call, and it could possibly be 6-0.

Or 3-3...

oz_boz
05-31-2006, 10:15 AM
Söderling can be a sore loser, and he is probably among the Federer fans who like his game and don't want to see his hegemony ended or challenged by a defensive claycourt type player.

Btw I don't buy all this "talent difference" talk between Nadal and Federer.

Federer is more talented because

1. he's won more: Federer is older.

2. he has won on all surfaces: Nadal has won on hc and pretty fast courts too, Madrid against Ljubo e.g. Grass remains of course. Maybe Nadal will never win big grasscourt events, but maybe he can reach a QF or even semi at Wimby if we give him time.

3. he has a more complete game: OK, I agree, but the difference is not so big as some might think, Nadal can be a great shotmaker too and has OK volleys and still more time to develop.

4. his game is more compelling to watch: but isn't extreme consistency a mark of talent too? To really get almost unreturnable balls back and hit running shots the way Rafa does requires more than a heart. And Nadal doesn't shank balls the way Federer does.

IMHO Federer has more raw talent than Nadal, but talentwise Nadal is way up there too, his game is not just about mental and physical strength as some people claim.

Action Jackson
05-31-2006, 10:18 AM
Could someone translate for me? I just can't see how it relates to anything I said. Then again, I did write my post extremely light-hearted and MTFers are known to analyse the finest details of other peoples posts. :shrug:

I could, but it would be too much work.

Scotso
05-31-2006, 10:26 AM
Physically and mentally nadal is not a 19 year-old boy!!!

No shit, that's why he might end up doing better than Federer. He's had success much earlier.

And you can compare people's age... "don't be stupid"! :retard:

Skyward
05-31-2006, 11:01 AM
and he is probably among the Federer fans who like his game and don't want to see his hegemony ended or challenged by a defensive claycourt type player.


Yeah, the tour is full of Fedrtards. :p

Kristen
05-31-2006, 11:01 AM
Like Soderling, you think Rafa, "the walking bicep," is not as impressive as Roger. Then you followed up with the declaration that Roger will surely beat Rafa soon. I took the statement as your way to console and assure yourself that Roger isn't dominated by Rafa yet, in spite of his past losses.

But at the same time, you would be mistaken if you thought Rafa and his triumphs are a fluke. Whether you are impressed with Rafa's style in playing or not, whether or not you consider him talented enough, "the walking bicep" has indeed reached a level of play that has become a real challenge for Federer.

I apologize for taking your post seriously.:rolleyes:
Thank you for clarifying what I meant to say ;) I don't care too much about the results of either of these players. Roger is a joy to watch, and I have the opportunity to see him more often than Nadal. If I appear to disrespect and undermine his talent, it is not intentional. I do hope Roger figures out a way to beat Nadal. I haven't seen enough of Rafaels tennis, so at the moment I suppose I do find Roger more impressive.:shrug:

Next time I must remember to say what I apparently really meant, that Rafa is nothing more than a third world dirtballer, inferior to the glorious grass God, Federer. Soon he will be crushed and sent back to the courts and gym, to continue working on those biceps. Roger can remain Rafas biatch on the clay, because after all...who cares about clay?!

Having said that, best of luck to Rafa. It is refreshing to have him around.

oz_boz
05-31-2006, 11:22 AM
Yeah, the tour is full of Fedrtards. :p

There are many of them: Nadal, Agassi, Ljubicic, Safin from the top of my head. Haas is not among them though. :)

ExpectedWinner
05-31-2006, 11:30 AM
Federer a better player? I think we'll have to wait to see. Rafael is still just 19, and Federer wasn't doing anything at that age. So, we'll see.

I don't understand why we have to wait. Soderling expressed his opinion about the current level.

FSRteam
05-31-2006, 12:20 PM
No shit, that's why he might end up doing better than Federer. He's had success much earlier.

And you can compare people's age... "don't be stupid"! :retard:

No shit, or he might end up winning no more TMS and GS like hewitt the last few years... :retard:

He's got a very wearing game. He runs twice as much as federer if not more, so let's see how many more years he can sustain that level of play... :devil:

abraxas21
08-30-2012, 01:33 AM
interesting that soderling thought this even back in 2006.

goes to show how much confident he was about how beatable nadal was/is

Topspindoctor
08-30-2012, 01:40 AM
Intresting. Olderer is so much better than Nadal and yet he has a permanent residence inside a birdcage in Nadal's house in Majorca. I sense some butthurt here.

MTwEeZi
08-30-2012, 01:42 AM
He never seemed too crazy about Federer. You sure it wasn't Bjorkman who said this?

BroTree123
08-30-2012, 01:56 AM
mugbraxas bumping this thread when Nadal is injured. NID.

Topspindoctor
08-30-2012, 01:58 AM
^ The guy is a joke, and I use the term "guy" very loosely here as it doesn't take too much to get him crying like an 8 year girl who dropped her ice cream.

Matt01
08-30-2012, 02:00 AM
mugbraxas bumping this thread when Nadal is injured. NID.


+1

abraxas21
08-30-2012, 02:06 AM
whats this? a nadaltards avalanche?

LaFuria
08-30-2012, 02:15 AM
whats this? a nadaltards avalanche?


You question the sacred pig and its followers will find you.

Arkulari
08-30-2012, 03:04 AM
interesting that soderling thought this even back in 2006.

goes to show how much confident he was about how beatable nadal was/is

Sorry to ask this but what's the point of bumping this thread? too much has happened since Toad said this :shrug:

Corey Feldman
08-30-2012, 03:13 AM
what i love about big Robin Bo Carl, he hates and never forgets with good reason

what i always said about Nadal's antics v him at Wimbledon 2007 (one year after these comments) everyone made Sod the bad guy from that episode and Nadal played the victim but anyone who watched knows it was Nadal the instigator that day and further proof we now have is Nadal's stinking behaviour v Rosol at Wimbledon this year, you could see what he is like in matches he's being bullied

Cereal Killer
08-30-2012, 03:47 AM
Söderling hates Nadal, therefore his opinion is meaningless.

UsD.AnDreS
08-30-2012, 03:58 AM
Söderling hates Nadal, therefore his opinion is meaningless.
Soderling doesn't hate Nadal.. He just gently dislikes him with passion.

Cereal Killer
08-30-2012, 04:13 AM
Basically the same. It's mutual.

Mountaindewslave
08-30-2012, 05:02 AM
always sad to see players extremely bitter at post-match interviews when they've lost, but so old, why would you bother to bump this. in bad taste considering it sheds a bad light on Soderling and he hasn't played in a year. nice going :o :rolleyes:

jojoh07
08-30-2012, 05:20 AM
well he was right

Paylu2007
08-30-2012, 05:49 AM
Robin :sad:

comeback to the courts!!! :sad:

It's known in the world that 17 is better than 11, so Sod's opinion is redundant. Really weird how he is the only one who defeated Nadal in the last years on Roland Garros...

paseo
08-30-2012, 05:57 AM
No shit?

Time Violation
08-30-2012, 06:23 AM
Mug bump

MaxPower
08-30-2012, 06:41 AM
He said this in 2006 and you have to realize he was still young then and had only been a pro for 2 years. He hadn't even played his infamous 2007 wimbledon match vs Nadal. But in the end no matter what sport it rarely hurts to lose to a more talented player. Federer is the most talented ever.

Look at this match between Fed and Soderling in 2006. They way it ends with those close tiebreaks and close challenges you'd think Soderling would smash rackets but he just smiles. I think many players have too much respect for Federer early in their careers. Soderling was guilty of it. He should have had a much better record vs Fed. At least Soderling broke out of it and beat Fed in RG2010

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bleu_cheese
08-30-2012, 06:45 AM
Aw, this is making me remember how good Soderling was for tennis. He's left a big hole in the top 10, for sure.

Pirata.
08-30-2012, 06:53 AM
Didn't Rafa say in an interview that no one in the locker room likes Soderling? I imagine him walking around with a clipboard and doing a poll "Do you like Robin Soderling, yes or no?"