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"O. Rochus is the second most talented player on the tour"

Loftra
05-30-2006, 09:54 AM
That's what Carl Maes, the Belgian Fed Cup-captian, says. Of course he means second after Federer

TheMightyFed
05-30-2006, 09:56 AM
What about Safin, even Gasquet ?

JMG
05-30-2006, 10:14 AM
Rochus is the second most talented player in Belgium.

Scotso
05-30-2006, 10:15 AM
Belgian Fed Cup-captian

What a coincidence that Olivier is Belgian.

betterthanhenman
05-30-2006, 10:16 AM
Rochus is the second most talented player in Belgium.

True. Malisse is more talented.

DrJules
05-30-2006, 10:17 AM
He is certainly one of the shortest on tour. :lol:

almouchie
05-30-2006, 10:18 AM
O
rochus is a really talented player
reminds of Santoro te magicians
for someone of his small stature he is doing very well in the power game now

Andre♥
05-30-2006, 10:33 AM
If Ollie was taller, he would have a better serve and would be one of the five best players in the world.

BelgianWaffle
05-30-2006, 10:34 AM
Carl Maes should shut up once in a while. :tape:

Conita
05-30-2006, 10:54 AM
mm not far for true!
O Rochus is a ver solid player all his shots are awsome if it wasnt cos he's really short he would definitly be inside the top 10
and its not only that dude ur mentioning that says that
i've heard a number of commentators say on tv that Rochus is probably one of the most talented players and no they were not belgian.

:)

Allez-H˛
05-30-2006, 11:02 AM
I would rank Malisse higher, it's just that Xav is a headcase and Ollie, dispite his small stature gives 200% all the time.

I would rank him in the top-5 of talented players but maybe not the second place

Castafiore
05-30-2006, 11:23 AM
Did Carl Maes say that on tv or on the radio somewhere or is there an article you can post here to check out the context of this quote?

I think that both Olivier Rochus and Xavier Malisse are very talented. I would rank Malisse a bit higher but both have their handicap: one is a bit too short and the other one is indeed a headcase. :o

Off topic a bit: does anybody know what Malisse does to keep fit?
Xavier said that he shouldn't have given that lead away in the 5th set yesterday but the simple fact is that the other guy was fitter at the end of the match.
He had similar problems in other 5 set matches.
I think that Xavier has improved in the head department (coming back from two sets down is not bad, after all) but I fear that he will never truly have a strong mind in a strong body. Too bad, the guy is very talented.

Ollie on the other hand is a fighter and a great player to watch. With Xavier, you are always left wondering: "What if...", "If he would only...".
I never get that with Olivier. If he loses, it's not because of a lack of trying or something like that. It's easier to deal with that sort of defeat. :)
Yesterday's match of Malisse was utterly frustrating to watch for me.

Scotso
05-30-2006, 11:38 AM
Being mentally strong is part of being talented.

Pea
05-30-2006, 11:43 AM
I find him extremely talented and underrated. And my opinion is the one that only counts, really.

Castafiore
05-30-2006, 11:46 AM
Being mentally strong is part of being talented.
Yes, I actually agree with that.

That's usually what seperates excellent sportspeople from the good ones: a strong mind + a good work ethic.

Malisse has a lot of amazing tennis skills but he lacks the strong mind and I don't know if he has a good work ethic.

sampaio
05-30-2006, 11:49 AM
O.Rochus is a genius who does amazing shots but Gasquet ,Federer and Kohlschreiber are more talented .

Loftra
05-30-2006, 11:58 AM
Did Carl Maes say that on tv or on the radio somewhere or is there an article you can post here to check out the context of this quote?

He said it during his tv commentating during the Rochus match today

Hagar
05-30-2006, 12:38 PM
I don't know if he is the second most talented player but I do know that he is such a joy to watch. Wonderful hands and wonderful touch, his game has many layers, a lot of variation.
I hope he can take on Roddick in the third round, that will be one hell of a match, Ollie loves to drive big guys with strong serves completely mad with the variety of his shots.

BaselineSmash
05-30-2006, 12:47 PM
It's a very questionable, not to mention silly, statement to call any player the second most talented on the ATP. But O. Rochus is certainly one of the most talented players out there, and Safin for one would agree.

buddyholly
05-30-2006, 12:56 PM
I saw his matches in Miami and was very entertained by his talents. But I have to disagree - he and Santoro are tied for first place.

madmanfool
05-30-2006, 01:05 PM
You can't just say if he was taller he would be this or that or whatever... Fact is that if he was taller he would have develloped a different game in his youth. He would have a bigger serve, more powerfull strokes but less technique and speed.
The taller you are, the 'clumsier' you get.

ae wowww
05-30-2006, 01:19 PM
Yeah if it's accurate, then he is just stating that he is very able considering his height disadvantage! I think Oli is a legend :D

Scotso
05-30-2006, 01:39 PM
You can't just say if he was taller he would be this or that or whatever... Fact is that if he was taller he would have develloped a different game in his youth. He would have a bigger serve, more powerfull strokes but less technique and speed.
The taller you are, the 'clumsier' you get.

Right. If he was six feet tall, he may have never made it to pros. You never know.

*Viva Chile*
05-30-2006, 02:04 PM
O.Rochus is a genius who does amazing shots but Gasquet ,Federer and Kohlschreiber are more talented .
:spit:

NYCtennisfan
05-30-2006, 03:08 PM
Ollie is an incredibly talented player really. You have to be to be as successful as he is on tour at that height. He loses so many points just by the fact that he cannot return a serve out wide with any depth, thereby opening up the court for a FH CC in either direction. If the guy was even something like 5'10", I have very little doubt he would be a consistent top 15 or top 10 player.

I don't consider being mentally tough as being part of talented. It is an "asset", but it isn't something one looks upon as natural talent when you see a kid hit on a practice court when he is 15. You say, "Look at the pop on that serve," or, "Look at the power from both sides (like I did when I first saw Djokovic hit the ball)." Obviously it is the mental part that will separate the OK players from the great players, but it isn't a part of pure talent.

NYCtennisfan
05-30-2006, 03:10 PM
Kohlschreiber

He has a lot of hitting talent, especially his BH.

sampaio
05-30-2006, 04:43 PM
:spit:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/headtohead/head2head.asp?player1=Kohlschreiber%2C+Philipp&player2=massu
:)

No, seriously he's very talented ,don't judge him so fast ,he's still young.

Phunkadelicious
05-30-2006, 04:55 PM
No, seriously he's very talented ,don't judge him so fast ,he's still young.
You say don't judge him because he is still young. However, right before you say that you judge him, despite the fact that he is so young. If you are able to judge his talent despite his age, someone else is equally able to judge his lack of talent despite his age ;)

sampaio
05-30-2006, 05:50 PM
You say don't judge him because he is still young. However, right before you say that you judge him, despite the fact that he is so young. If you are able to judge his talent despite his age, someone else is equally able to judge his lack of talent despite his age ;)

No you didn't understand my point ,i said that because i thought he was judging him on his ranking.So i was trying to reply that he is still young and that this ranking will certainly improve in the next month.
Personnaly my judgment is based on what i saw .And like NYCtennisfan ,i must admit that his game is pretty impressive.
Of course maybe i'm wrong ,and Viva chili had already seen him play.But it 's impossible to know beacause his reponse was just a ":spit:".

mecir72
05-30-2006, 06:06 PM
You can't just say if he was taller he would be this or that or whatever... Fact is that if he was taller he would have develloped a different game in his youth. He would have a bigger serve, more powerfull strokes but less technique and speed.
The taller you are, the 'clumsier' you get.
Exactly!

nkhera1
05-30-2006, 06:06 PM
If Ollie was taller, he would have a better serve and would be one of the five best players in the world.

Yeah but then he wouldn't be as quick and maybe wouldn't have developed the other parts of his game as much.

Rogiman
05-30-2006, 07:35 PM
Ollie is wonderful to watch!

You'd expect someone so small to be one of those nagging midgets who spend their time chasing balls down from the baseline,
instead he plays wonderful attacking tennis, while the world #2, a 6'1 player with huge biceps, chases balls down from the baseline.

nkhera1
05-30-2006, 08:08 PM
Ollie is wonderful to watch!

You'd expect someone so small to be one of those nagging midgets who spend their time chasing balls down from the baseline,
instead he plays wonderful attacking tennis, while the world #2, a 6'1 player with huge biceps, chases balls down from the baseline.

There is a chance that one of Nadal's forehands could bounce over Rochus's head. ;)

DrJules
05-30-2006, 08:13 PM
If Ollie was taller, he would have a better serve and would be one of the five best players in the world.

And if Roger had Richard Gasquet's backhand he would beat Rafael.

fenomeno2111
05-30-2006, 08:20 PM
Guillermo Coria is the most talented player on tour tied with Safin...nothing else to say.

jacobhiggins
05-30-2006, 10:46 PM
He gives Federer trouble and he's only 5'5. This might be a true statement. Yes being 5'5 is a HUGE disadvantage!