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Vilas critical of Nadal?

mishar
05-29-2006, 03:19 PM
Here is the Reuters article... I think his comments (if fairly reported) are a bit stupid... I mean, it's difficult to compare eras, but Rafa has played mostly very tough tournaments and it seems like Vilas played a lot of small tournaments in his streak... and I'm getting a little sick of hearing about the spaghetti racket.. Yeah, it was unfair, but Vilas had beaten others with that racket, he was also just exhausted. He played all his matches in one year, which in some ways is more impressive, and in other ways less.

PARIS (Reuters) - Guillermo Vilas says he is not impressed by Rafael Nadal's winning streak on clay even though the Spaniard will break the Argentine's record if he comes through his first round at the French Open on Monday.

The 19-year-old Nadal has been undefeated on the slow surface in his last 53 matches and looks set to add a 54th consecutive win when he kicks off his title defense at Roland Garros against Swede Robin Soderling.

"First of all, Nadal's performance is spanning over two years, which is not the same," Vilas, who set the record in 1977, told Reuters on Monday.

"Then, I have the feeling he added easy tournaments on his schedule just for that purpose," the 53-year-old added.

Vilas, who confessed he had to call the ATP to have confirmation of a record he had ignored, had his 1977 run ended in the Aix-en-Provence tournament semi-finals by Ilie Nastase.

"I did not lose to a player but against a racket," he said, referring to the double-strung racket the Romanian was using at the time.

"I could not play him. When I was 6-1 7-5 down, I threw in the sponge," said Vilas, who had won the Tehran, Bogota, Santiago and Buenos Aires tournaments that year.

Raquel
05-29-2006, 03:35 PM
It does seem like there is a bit of sour grapes there about Nadal doing it over two years and "adding smaller tournaments". Vilas played at a time when clay events started in March and continued up to and including the US Open, and then beyond into November so there was a bigger scope for him to do it in a shorter time. Also, the results from Vilas's streak seem to be sketchy but Peter Bodo was saying in his blog that an exhibtion was included. If anyone has the full 53 wins Vilas had in his streak it would interesting to see if the draws compare to the depth of Nadal's run which includes Roland Garros and 4 Masters Series events.

prima donna
05-29-2006, 03:44 PM
Nobody respects this freak of nature. Not a single person. The only people whom seem to have respect for him are other Spaniards.

What a big joke Nadal is.

Natasha2005
05-29-2006, 03:52 PM
Prima Donna you are so STUPID and Prejudice its not funny.

I like both Federer and Nadal. Being a fan of one player does not or SHOULD not preclude respect for others. Love him or hate him Nadal is Not a freak of nature in the negative way u mean... He is a Phenomenon... U just cant handle the fact that he kicks Feds ass.... The guy has the greatest heart and competitive spirit out there...Instead of moaning about Nadal Enjoy Feds dominance while u can... Anything can happen to Fed to knock him off his perch....

admiralpye
05-29-2006, 04:04 PM
Nobody respects this freak of nature. Not a single person. The only people whom seem to have respect for him are other Spaniards.

What a big joke Nadal is.

Federer has said many times how he respects Nadal. I guess that makes him not up to par with your standards. oh well.

admiralpye
05-29-2006, 04:05 PM
what's the link to this article please? somehow i have trouble believing vilas would be ungracious about this whole thing.

Raquel
05-29-2006, 04:07 PM
what's the link to this article please? somehow i have trouble believing vilas would be ungracious about this whole thing.
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=tennisNews&storyID=2006-05-29T133837Z_01_L29657878_RTRIDST_0_SPORT-TENNIS-OPEN-VILAS.XML

Clara Bow
05-29-2006, 04:14 PM
Federer has said many times how he respects Nadal. I guess that makes him not up to par with your standards. oh well.

And Becker and McEnroe have often spoken of their admiration for Nadal. I guess that makes them "nobodies" as well. ;)

federated
05-29-2006, 04:27 PM
Nobody respects this freak of nature. Not a single person. The only people whom seem to have respect for him are other Spaniards.

What a big joke Nadal is.

With inane posts like this, nobody here respects you. :lol:

mecir72
05-29-2006, 04:38 PM
Vilas streak is in no way as impressive as Nadals. Vilas wasnt even close to being as good as Borg on clay. He just played alot of minor events. Nadals plays against the best, he has beaten Federer three times during this streak so far. Thats impressive. How many wins on clay did Vilas have against Borg?
Infact he lost twice on clay to Borg in 1977. Not really close either.
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/headtohead/head2head.asp?player1=Vilas%2C+Guillermo&playernum1=V028&player2=Borg%2C+Bjorn

OddJob
05-29-2006, 04:43 PM
It def is sour grapes. He's on ESPN now and he's saything the same crap. He's just jealous that Rafa doesn't need a combover. :tape:

mishar
05-29-2006, 04:44 PM
I agree, Mecir. Nadal has won the biggest events over 2 years against the best players -- if Vilas did the whole thing in 2 months (as he just said on TV) to me that's impressive, but not as impressive as Nadal.

Anyway, Vilas sounded gracious in his interview with ESPN, so I don't mean to make a big deal out of it. It's all very friendly.

LLeytonRules
05-29-2006, 04:45 PM
Sour grapes from Mr Vilas :o , i am not even a big Nadal fan, i dont like him but i give him credit for the streak.Vilas probably never thought that record would be broken.The old man needs to bow down. :devil:

nobama
05-29-2006, 04:47 PM
So you have Sampras saying Fed doesn't have any competition and now Vilas saying this. They could all take a lesson from Laver (and Borg) I think.

TheMightyFed
05-29-2006, 04:49 PM
So you have Sampras saying Fed doesn't have any competition and now Vilas saying this. They could all take a lesson from Laver (and Borg) I think.
Laver is the GOAT in the class department, Borg with his ironic comment "I hope Nadal can win Wimbledon" was a bit nasty as well...

DrJules
05-29-2006, 04:54 PM
Vilas streak is in no way as impressive as Nadals. Vilas wasnt even close to being as good as Borg on clay. He just played alot of minor events. Nadals plays against the best, he has beaten Federer three times during this streak so far. Thats impressive. How many wins on clay did Vilas have against Borg?
Infact he lost twice on clay to Borg in 1977. Not really close either.
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/headtohead/head2head.asp?player1=Vilas%2C+Guillermo&playernum1=V028&player2=Borg%2C+Bjorn

Agree totally.

Modern master series forces top players to play each other. Nadal run includes 4 master series and a grand slam. In the past top players could avoid each other more easily.

NyGeL
05-29-2006, 05:04 PM
Vilas will admit his lost after Roland Garros.

Lalitha
05-29-2006, 05:13 PM
With inane posts like this, nobody here respects you. :lol:

:hatoff:

Carito_90
05-29-2006, 05:16 PM
It def is sour grapes. He's on ESPN now and he's saything the same crap. He's just jealous that Rafa doesn't need a combover. :tape:

Absolutely. :lol:

Jairus
05-29-2006, 05:33 PM
So you have Sampras saying Fed doesn't have any competition and now Vilas saying this. They could all take a lesson from Laver (and Borg) I think.

That's because Laver knows his records will never be touched (Borg too) :D :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Natasc
05-29-2006, 05:33 PM
bad one Vilas
that was an stupid thing to say
I also agree that Borg was better than Vilas

but the real thing is: does Vilas think that win twice 2 masters series with the big top players in (cause hamburg was a weak field) and then defeat the world number 1 player and probably the greatest player in 2 finals is not enought??

what I think is that he's mad 'cause the only time that his name appears in tennis history will no longer appear after a few hours till now

I guess he was praying for Roger defeat Rafa in Roma :lol:

DrJules
05-29-2006, 05:38 PM
Anyway soon the Vilas record will be superceded.

Julio1974
05-29-2006, 05:40 PM
Vilas has never been an easy guy. I'm not surprised by his statement.

Jairus
05-29-2006, 05:45 PM
I don't understand though, I thought he didn't even remember that he had the record? Why would he care so much then?

NYCtennisfan
05-29-2006, 06:10 PM
Strange comment to make by Vilas. The streak by Vilas iitself is a little iffy due to the fact that he never beat Borg during that streak. In fact. Borg beat Vilas earlier in the year in Nice with a bagel set. They played in the 1978 RG final and Borg wiped hm off of the court as usual. Nadal has at least beaten all comers.

LoveFifteen
05-29-2006, 06:11 PM
Vilas has never been an easy guy. I'm not surprised by his statement.

Yes, many Argentines think of Vilas as "asqueroso" -- abrasive, nasty, offputting, etc.

connectolove
05-29-2006, 08:52 PM
Most people don´t understand that Nadal is so great and so nice at the same time. For a lot of people if you are as great as Nadal is, you have to have a shitty personality. This is sooo stupid.

ASP0315
05-29-2006, 09:06 PM
Vilas comments are both right and wrong.
Nadal could break Vilas's record of 46 consecutive matches if he skips Grass and concentrate on Hard Courts and Nadal won 54 matches in two different years compared to Vilas who won 53 in the same year and also was angry with ATP that they ingnored his record at that time and now Nadal is honored by the media and Atp,which is true.

But He did praise Nadal for is performance.I like Nadal too he speaks to the media politely and respects his other opponents and always dissimisses suggestions that he is the favorite to win the Title.

star
05-29-2006, 09:30 PM
Laver is the GOAT in the class department, Borg with his ironic comment "I hope Nadal can win Wimbledon" was a bit nasty as well...


Maybe Borg really does hope for Nadal to win Wimbledon. Personally, I think it would be great. Maybe it will have to be a year where he loses early in the French, like Borg. :)

Laver has been the most gracious former great I've witnessed -- and Billie Jean King on the women's side. I don't know what you mean when you call Laver a GOAT in the class department.

bad gambler
05-29-2006, 09:39 PM
It's understandable in a way Vilas showing a bit of sour grapes - I'm sure this was one record he thought nobody would eclipse

Sjengster
05-29-2006, 09:39 PM
Maybe Borg really does hope for Nadal to win Wimbledon. Personally, I think it would be great. Maybe it will have to be a year where he loses early in the French, like Borg. :)

Laver has been the most gracious former great I've witnessed -- and Billie Jean King on the women's side. I don't know what you mean when you call Laver a GOAT in the class department.

His meaning is acronymous, not condemnatory.

atheneglaukopis
05-29-2006, 09:39 PM
I don't know what you mean when you call Laver a GOAT in the class department.
GOAT = Greatest Of All Time. It's not the most felicitious acronym out there.

Geniey2g
05-29-2006, 09:53 PM
"If I had to lose that record, I'm pleased I was losing it to somebody like that. It's a pleasure to see him play and fighting."
-Vilas with some praise for Nadal.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/5027158.stm)


Soooo, is he pleased, or not??

star
05-30-2006, 12:48 AM
GOAT = Greatest Of All Time. It's not the most felicitious acronym out there.


:hatoff: Thanks. :)

Here's the interview from the RG site:

Vilas: 'I'm very happy for Rafael!'

Monday, May 29, 2006

With a straightforward victory over Sweden's Robin Soderling this Monday, Rafael Nadal broke Guillermo Vilas' record of 53 consecutive wins on clay. The Argentinean legend was present on Court Philippe Chatrier to present the Spaniard with a special trophy, and spoke to us afterwards about how it felt to 'hand on the baton.'

How do you feel about Rafael Nadal beating your record of 53 consecutive wins on clay?

Guillermo Vilas: I held a number of records - there was the one on clay, which has now been beaten, and there was also the record of 46 consecutive victories on any surface. Nadal has beaten the first one, but no-one has got near the other one for the moment. These two records I held came to an end when I lost to Ilie Nastase, who was using the 'spaghetti racquet' (which was double strung to put more spin in the ball and was very soon banned). So you could say that it wasn't a fair result when my series of wins finally came to an end. And afterwards, I went on to win six or seven tournaments in a row. Having said that, Nadal is a really nice young lad and I'm very happy for him.

Is it harder to win a record like this now than it was back in your day?

GV: It's hard to compare the two, other than to say that I established my record in a single season and it took Rafael two years to beat it. That shows that I played more games than he does. The main difference comes from the fact that it was a lot tougher on the circuit in my day. You've got someone looking after you nowadays - one phone call and you can sort out all the logistics for the entire week. In my day, that wasn't an option, and a lot of players dropped out of the circuit since they couldn't stand all the hassle. There were very few direct flights in those days, so we had to stop off in between flights. It really was no fun, and it got to people in the end.

Have you spoken to Nadal about the record?

GV: Of course, I even called him the other day in Barcelona to have a bit of fun with him. I started off calling him all the names under the sun, and all he could say was "Who is this? Who is this?" He seemed pretty worried, so I told him "It's me, it's Vilas!" I congratulated him of course.

Carito_90
05-30-2006, 01:14 AM
Yeah, I saw the interview Mary Jo did to Rafa and Rafa was saying how he got a call from Vilas, but he didn't know who the person on the phone was and this person kept saying a weird name until he told him he was Guillermo. Rafa said he congratulated him, said he deserved it and was happy about him and they chatted for a little while.

I'll have to believe it if it comes from Rafa himself. :p

ASP0315
05-30-2006, 02:46 AM
:hatoff: Thanks. :)


Is it harder to win a record like this now than it was back in your day?

GV: It's hard to compare the two, other than to say that I established my record in a single season and it took Rafael two years to beat it. That shows that I played more games than he does. The main difference comes from the fact that it was a lot tougher on the circuit in my day. You've got someone looking after you nowadays - one phone call and you can sort out all the logistics for the entire week. In my day, that wasn't an option, and a lot of players dropped out of the circuit since they couldn't stand all the hassle. There were very few direct flights in those days, so we had to stop off in between flights. It really was no fun, and it got to people in the end.

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This is absolutely true. Playing Tennis in those days is very difficult and Vilas will always be a great Champion. Breaking all his achievements will be tough for any players. At the same time Nadal should look at his own health and make decisions and in a recent interview Nadal said he was nowhere near Vilas. So he should think about breaking records. He should think about making a good run at Grandslams.

NYCtennisfan
05-30-2006, 04:38 AM
This is absolutely true. Playing Tennis in those days is very difficult and Vilas will always be a great Champion. Breaking all his achievements will be tough for any players. At the same time Nadal should look at his own health and make decisions and in a recent interview Nadal said he was nowhere near Vilas. So he should think about breaking records. He should think about making a good run at Grandslams.

Any streak such as Federer's on hardcourts, playing 169 matches without losing in straight sets, 24 in a row against top 10 competition, finals streaks, Nadal's clay streak, etc. are more difficult to achieve now in the era of the TMS where top players are forced to play against each other. Add to that the fact that the depth of the men's game is far superior now compared to back then and you have some incredible accomplishments by Federer and Nadal.

mandoura
05-30-2006, 05:30 AM
Well, if it is any consolation to Vilas, it took someone as special and talented as Rafa to break his record and after so many years. I hope Rafa sets a new record that will be even harder to break :) .

However, I don't agree with Vilas that establishing his record in a single season should have the edge over Nadal making it in two years. On the contrary, IMHO, I think Nadal's record is more impressive as he is stretching his clay dominance over a longer period and still going. :)

Action Jackson
05-30-2006, 08:57 AM
Vilas wasn't even the best clay player of his generation, but Nadal won't bed as many women as Vilas has done.

connectolove
05-30-2006, 09:08 AM
poste by GeorgeWHitler: "Vilas wasn't even the best clay player of his generation, but Nadal won't bed as many women as Vilas has done."

Nadal does not look like a cheap whore (and I am sure that he is not), Vilas does.

Action Jackson
05-30-2006, 09:34 AM
Nadal does not look like a cheap whore (and I am sure that he is not), Vilas does.

Since when did looks matter? Fact Nadal has the most wins on clay in a row and he won't score as well of the court, so it was a dig at Vilas, but you missed that.

connectolove
05-30-2006, 10:12 AM
Well, you say it as if scoring with a lot of women is a big deal and a plus. Perhaps Nadal thinks that it is disgusting. Nadal is not a dirty dog, Vilas maybe is/was.

bokehlicious
05-30-2006, 10:21 AM
Well, you say it as if scoring with a lot of women is a big deal and a plus. Perhaps Nadal thinks that it is disgusting. Nadal is not a dirty dog, Vilas maybe is/was.

Is Rafa really disgussed by women ? :angel: :p

Action Jackson
05-30-2006, 10:23 AM
Is Rafa really disgussed by women ? :angel: :p

He isn't going to play Båstad for the appearance money.

DrJules
05-30-2006, 10:24 AM
Any streak such as Federer's on hardcourts, playing 169 matches without losing in straight sets, 24 in a row against top 10 competition, finals streaks, Nadal's clay streak, etc. are more difficult to achieve now in the era of the TMS where top players are forced to play against each other. Add to that the fact that the depth of the men's game is far superior now compared to back then and you have some incredible accomplishments by Federer and Nadal.

Does any one know the list of players Vilas and Rafael beat and their respective rankings. My perception is that Rafael beat a lot more top 10 players in his run.

connectolove
05-30-2006, 10:25 AM
Not, perhaps disgusted by the idea of sleeping around a lot like a cheap slut. I am sure that Nadal luuuvs women, some more than others...

bokehlicious
05-30-2006, 10:27 AM
He isn't going to play Båstad for the appearance money.

:inlove: :rocker2: :cool:

oz_boz
05-30-2006, 11:40 AM
Maybe Borg really does hope for Nadal to win Wimbledon. Personally, I think it would be great. Maybe it will have to be a year where he loses early in the French, like Borg. :)



Like in 1976, 1978, 1979 and 1980?

Julio1974
05-30-2006, 02:25 PM
Interesting article by Javier Martinez (from http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/especiales/2006/05/roland_garros/sinred/index.html


Un ¿señor? de negro
Por Javier Martínez

El porte no sólo se lleva en el terno de cinco botones, en los restos de la melena cuidadosamente adiestrados en dirección a la frente, traicionada la impostura por el viento en el momento de la imagen. La foto, sí, la que se hizo Guillermo Vilas, aquel grandioso campeón de entonces, con Rafael Nadal, el hombre que ha superado, en buena lid y sin proponérselo, sus 53 victorias consecutivas en tierra batida.

Ya no es el zurdo argentino un afamado conquistador de princesas. Los retratos de ahora casi le toca demandarlos, someterse al contraste del ímpetu juvenil, inventar una sonrisa fraudulenta para disimular a última hora sus desafortunados juicios sobre el registro del chaval. Que si él lo consiguió en un solo año, que si Nadal ha jugado torneos menores con el afán de superarlo, que si hay otros récords por derribar. Una pena. A los que aún le recordábamos en un póster nos toca quedarnos ahora con esa estampa de cantautor trasnochado, tomando en alquiler a mi compañero Rubén Amón el certero calificativo.

Nadal juega para sí mismo, no necesita las marcas, en cierto modo anecdóticas, de Guillermo Vilas. De momento, observa con sensatez y su habitual modestia el palmarés de un tenista que aún le queda muy lejos. La historia dirá si su currículo resulta comparable o superior al del campeón de Roland Garros, doble vencedor en Australia y ganador del Abierto de Estados Unidos. Eso sí, en una prospección de futuro, resulta difícil imaginar a un Nadal celoso y envanecido, tan poco exquisito con la palabra, a la busca de un espacio definitivamente perdido. No importa si fue Vilas quien buscó la foto o se le reclamaron los honores. Sea cual fuere el origen, el viejo señor de negro salió francamente desfavorecido.

Dan's Racket
05-30-2006, 02:36 PM
Am I right in thinking Vilas is knocking up some young thai bird?
If this is the case, then I don't think a man of his age should have such sour grapes.

JuchuPati
05-30-2006, 03:24 PM
Interesting article by Javier Martinez (from http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/especiales/2006/05/roland_garros/sinred/index.html


Un ¿señor? de negro
Por Javier Martínez

El porte no sólo se lleva en el terno de cinco botones, en los restos de la melena cuidadosamente adiestrados en dirección a la frente, traicionada la impostura por el viento en el momento de la imagen. La foto, sí, la que se hizo Guillermo Vilas, aquel grandioso campeón de entonces, con Rafael Nadal, el hombre que ha superado, en buena lid y sin proponérselo, sus 53 victorias consecutivas en tierra batida.

Ya no es el zurdo argentino un afamado conquistador de princesas. Los retratos de ahora casi le toca demandarlos, someterse al contraste del ímpetu juvenil, inventar una sonrisa fraudulenta para disimular a última hora sus desafortunados juicios sobre el registro del chaval. Que si él lo consiguió en un solo año, que si Nadal ha jugado torneos menores con el afán de superarlo, que si hay otros récords por derribar. Una pena. A los que aún le recordábamos en un póster nos toca quedarnos ahora con esa estampa de cantautor trasnochado, tomando en alquiler a mi compañero Rubén Amón el certero calificativo.

Nadal juega para sí mismo, no necesita las marcas, en cierto modo anecdóticas, de Guillermo Vilas. De momento, observa con sensatez y su habitual modestia el palmarés de un tenista que aún le queda muy lejos. La historia dirá si su currículo resulta comparable o superior al del campeón de Roland Garros, doble vencedor en Australia y ganador del Abierto de Estados Unidos. Eso sí, en una prospección de futuro, resulta difícil imaginar a un Nadal celoso y envanecido, tan poco exquisito con la palabra, a la busca de un espacio definitivamente perdido. No importa si fue Vilas quien buscó la foto o se le reclamaron los honores. Sea cual fuere el origen, el viejo señor de negro salió francamente desfavorecido.

I love Javier Martínez' articles :worship:

marti_228
05-30-2006, 06:31 PM
That article is so hard to Vilas, but, of couse is from a Spanish newspaper, I think that in some way Vilas is right in telling that he got the record in just 5 months and then he lost against Nastase who was playing with a racket that wa later prohibited.

And yes, he is married with a young thai and they have a little daughter.

Julio1974
05-30-2006, 07:03 PM
I love Javier Martínez' articles :worship:

Me too. They are great. Gaudio's fans would love to read his several articles on Gaudio.


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Argenbrit
05-30-2006, 07:27 PM
That article is so hard to Vilas, but, of couse is from a Spanish newspaper, I think that in some way Vilas is right in telling that he got the record in just 5 months and then he lost against Nastase who was playing with a racket that was later prohibited.

Agreed. That article by Martinez is very unfair.