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French media does it again: Le Journal du Dimanche spreads rumours of Nadal's doping

Julio1974
05-29-2006, 02:12 PM
http://www.marca.es/edicion/marca/tenis/roland_garros/es/desarrollo/653726.html

This is not serious. How can they launch this accusation without any base?

For the French: what kind of newspaper is Le Journal du Dimanche?

Johnny Groove
05-29-2006, 02:15 PM
yeah, the french are jealous because Gasquet and Monfils arent even close to Nadal. Le Journal du Dimanche? The Sunday Journal? what a name

bokehlicious
05-29-2006, 02:17 PM
For the French: what kind of newspaper is Le Journal du Dimanche?

A very reliable source :o :p

Deboogle!.
05-29-2006, 02:17 PM
Do they have any even remotely accurate proof of it? :scratch: If not I hope Rafa sues them

Julio1974
05-29-2006, 02:18 PM
yeah, the french are jealous because Gasquet and Monfils arent even close to Nadal. Le Journal du Dimanche? The Sunday Journal? what a name

It sounds like those magazines one can find in the supermarkets in the US (with headlines such as "UFO kidnapped three football player in Illinois during a match")

fadou
05-29-2006, 02:20 PM
le journal du dimanche isn't a newspapers specialized in sports (not like l'equipe)
and it'sn't famous as le monde

R.Federer
05-29-2006, 02:23 PM
This is slander when its not backed up, they shoudl be careful

R.Federer
05-29-2006, 02:24 PM
ps. The name of the paper suggests its like the Sunday edition of the NY Times, not like The National Enquirer

TheMightyFed
05-29-2006, 02:27 PM
Without any proof it's difficult to take it seriously. However when I saw how fresh Nadal was after a 6-hours battle in Rome finals, I would n't be surprised. That was amazing. EPO is oldfashioned though, these guys must take something undetectable.

fadou
05-29-2006, 02:28 PM
yeah, the french are jealous because Gasquet and Monfils arent even close to Nadal. Le Journal du Dimanche? The Sunday Journal? what a name

that's wrong!
nadal had a lot of fans, here
the article on armtrong is another story... :o
it is not because this newspaper wrote this article on rafa that 60 million people think the same thing or are jealous
it is necessary to stop generalizing the different point of views

Sam L (WTAW)
05-29-2006, 02:28 PM
I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT! :mad:

I wish they would just come forward with the cover up. I'm sick of this. I call for a Sesil like ban.

disturb3d
05-29-2006, 02:30 PM
Even when the solid proof starts rolling in, the ATP will continue to play dumb.
The Fed/Nadal rivalry is the only thing tennis has going for it.

tennisgal_001
05-29-2006, 02:32 PM
That is sad... The Sunday Journal needs to get a life

willie
05-29-2006, 02:32 PM
the article saids frenchs are jealous of spaniards thats why they accuse them...:lol:

Deea
05-29-2006, 02:33 PM
Oh come on!!! where did they got this one out from??? Jesus :rolleyes:

TheMightyFed
05-29-2006, 02:35 PM
the article saids frenchs are jealous of spaniards thats why they accuse them...:lol:
Jealous ? Even if Spaniards are dopers, then you have Swiss(es), Argentines, Russians, many players better than French on clay...

mallorn
05-29-2006, 02:35 PM
Here we go again. :rolleyes:

How many times was Rafa tested last year? Fifteen, was it? :rolleyes:

Castafiore
05-29-2006, 02:37 PM
I've read that French article and they don't offer the slightest bit of proof but they are only spreading some rumors.
I think that their possible accussations against Ferrero is much worse, to be honest.

They are merely referring to Rafael's impressive physique.
For example, they are wondering about the the fact that Rafael can still jump and smash in the 5th set BUT they say that if you ask questions about that, you also have to wonder about Federer who was also still going very strong right to the end of the 5th set.

prima donna
05-29-2006, 02:38 PM
yeah, the french are jealous because Gasquet and Monfils arent even close to Nadal. Le Journal du Dimanche? The Sunday Journal? what a name

Try not criticizing cultures or groups of people that you know nothing about.

bokehlicious
05-29-2006, 02:41 PM
the article saids frenchs are jealous of spaniards thats why they accuse them...:lol:

:lol: At least Spaniards are the funniest for sure :angel: :o

JuchuPati
05-29-2006, 02:44 PM
Jealous ? Even if Spaniards are dopers, then you have Swiss(es), Argentines, Russians, many players better than French on clay...

yes, but historically, french never liked so much spaniards... :o they said some years ago that spaniards were "rats of clay" or something like that

Leo
05-29-2006, 02:45 PM
Sounds like a tabloid. Doesn't matter, I'm sure Nadal is unconcerned if he's even heard about the rumor.

Lalitha
05-29-2006, 02:47 PM
Will they say the samething about Fabrice Santaro? (though he lost today :o) )

mishar
05-29-2006, 02:48 PM
What is the accusation against Ferrero?

fadou
05-29-2006, 02:50 PM
the article saids frenchs are jealous of spaniards thats why they accuse them...:lol:

where did you read that?

it'snot because this sunday journal wrote this, means that 's true , do you understand?
and it's an interpretation of spanish journalist to say that the french are jealous of spaniards because i don't imagine the journalist of "journal du dimanche" to write " we are jealous of spaniard and nadal is never tired so he is doping"

me , i don't care of gasquet or monfils
if they are world 500e, do you believe that i will cry? my answer is no
i like just his game (gasquet), nothing else
and some french player play well but won't win nothing in their life
am I going to cry? you will be surprised but no!

Pea
05-29-2006, 02:52 PM
Such bad timing. I hope Rafa's camp has not heard anything about this yet.

~EMiLiTA~
05-29-2006, 02:56 PM
I think that their possible accussations against Ferrero is much worse, to be honest

well whatever he's taking, it isn't working.

this is just part of the French v Spaniard rivalry that has always existed and comes out of the woodwork at Roland Garros

until there is concrete proof, it is really pathetic to be spreading these rumours in the hope that it will distract Rafa from his tennis

Lalitha
05-29-2006, 02:57 PM
What is the accusation against Ferrero?

I would like to know it as well...

Deboogle!.
05-29-2006, 02:57 PM
Wait wait wait what are they saying about Ferrero? He's like the thinnest guy on tour, they're saying he's doping?

Julio1974
05-29-2006, 03:01 PM
Wait wait wait what are they saying about Ferrero? He's like the thinnest guy on tour, they're saying he's doping?

They accuse him and Corretja too.

Sjengster
05-29-2006, 03:03 PM
Ha ha, dope cheat Corretja? Now I've heard everything. I gather he's on site working for Spanish TV, he should probably give an on-air reply of some kind.

Deboogle!.
05-29-2006, 03:04 PM
They accuse him and Corretja too.:o what is the basis of the accusations? I mean even if it's wrong or whatever, do they even suggest that they have any failed tests or anything?

Lalitha
05-29-2006, 03:05 PM
They accuse him and Corretja too.

What is that they are accusing him of?

jayrhum
05-29-2006, 03:05 PM
Le journal du dimanche is a very serious newspaper... or not...
Just depends on which side of the Fed/Nadalous' rivalry you are :)

From what I know, JDD guys are some big fat lazy boys since they only write one paper a week...
They must be some smart guys too...
Roland Garros starting... Doping the sales with a doping story... Geniuses at work :worship:


PS: Don't ever cry for tennis fadou.

Clara Bow
05-29-2006, 03:06 PM
Wait wait wait what are they saying about Ferrero? He's like the thinnest guy on tour, they're saying he's doping?

Here is a translation of the article that someone posted on vr.com. This poster is often very level-headed and not a KAD- so I think that she is doing an accurate translation:

Well, the journalist takes the safe road: instead of making direct accusations, he is 'hinting' at rumours about doping ("some people claim that...wonder about..." - hinting also at recent EPO scandals in Spain and it may be an explanation why players like Corretja and Ferrero are now only a shadow of their former self and it could be an explanation for the herpes they have- ).
One of the main reasons why people ask the question about Nadal is that some can't believe that a player can be so big (muscled) and fast at the same time. Another thing that some people wonder about is that Rafael can still jump and smash in the 5th set. However, the journalist adds that you can't raise your eyebrow at that without also looking at Federer because Roger also went to 5 sets with an impressive strength until the end.

The journalist also points to the more "idealistic possibility": the theory of an exceptional physique. He writes that the same applied to Diego Maradonna, who was not as tall and not as strong as his football friends but he was faster.
Patrick Mouratoglou analyses that his surprising physique is only following his exceptional state of mind. Rafael Nadal simply has more will (willpower) than all the other players combined. "You only have to see how he shoots his forehand while bending through both knees almost to the ground...No product in the world can explain such an attitude."

I am wondering if the herpes that they are talking about with JCF is actually the shingles. The reason why I am saying that is because my friend who recently had shingles told a hilarious story last night about how she had to pick up her medication for shingles- which was Valtrex. Valtrex is most often used for herpes and she said that the pharmasict was asking her if it was her first outbreak, etc. She was confused- but then when she got home and read the info about Valtrex- realized that the guy thought she had herpes. :lol: So maybe there are similarities in the herpes and shingles virus.

Still- sounds a little like sloppy journalism. The guy just seems to be trying to stir the pot a bt. And actually- doesn't really seem to be accusing Nadal- just seems to be saying "some folks say"...but then points out that there could be other explanations and then you could also point your finger at other players, etc.

As for JCF and Alex- well, I think that what makes Alex a shadow of his former self is the fact that he is older for Pete's sake. Aging is a bitch. For JCF- shingles can actually take a lot out of adults. I think he is more of a head case because you can still see flashes of the play that he had circa 2003- but they then go away, sadly.

Sjengster
05-29-2006, 03:07 PM
Le journal du dimanche is a very serious newspaper... or not...
Just depends on which side of the Fed/Nadalous' rivalry you are :)

From what I know, JDD guys are some big fat lazy boys since they only write once paper a week...
They must be some smart guys too...
Roland Garros starting... Doping the sales with a doping story... Geniuses at work :worship:


PS: Don't ever cry for tennis fadou.

Well I know which side I'm on, and I don't happen to think throwing around doping accusations regarding players you dislike is a tremendous idea.

Deboogle!.
05-29-2006, 03:09 PM
So maybe there are similarities in the herpes and shingles virus.Shingles IS the herpes virus. Just a different strain of it from the STD ;) chicken pox is also related to Shingles of course, which we know JCF had in 2004.

jayrhum
05-29-2006, 03:09 PM
Well I know which side I'm on, and I don't happen to think throwing around doping accusations regarding players you dislike is a tremendous idea.
Joking mate... :)

Sjeng is a doper too... So much dope in his blood he can hardly bend his knees ;)

Sjengster
05-29-2006, 03:11 PM
Sjeng's always been doped up to the eyeballs on reverse-steroids, the kind that shrink your physique and make you less flexible. ;)

Clara Bow
05-29-2006, 03:11 PM
Shingles IS the herpes virus. Just a different strain of it from the STD ;) So is chicken pox, which we know JCF had in 2004.

Well I feel stupid. But now I get to call my friend Jen and tease her that she does indeed have herpes. ;)

And aren't adult chicken pox and shingles the same thing?

Me not so smart. :confused:

mallorn
05-29-2006, 03:11 PM
Such bad timing. I hope Rafa's camp has not heard anything about this yet.
Of course they have. They've dismissed it.

Deboogle!.
05-29-2006, 03:13 PM
Well I feel stupid. But now I get to call my friend Jen and tease her that she does indeed have herpes. ;)lol don't feel stupid, they're all related, it may not be the same exact virus, but they're all related (I fixed my post above, we need a doctor in here to clarify it properly lol). Almost everyone has herpes, the simple version that causes cold sores ;)

mishar
05-29-2006, 03:14 PM
Shingles is herpes zoster virus.

I don't agree at all with accusing people of doping (without huge proof) and I give it no credit, but I do think Nadal's muscularity or Ferrerro's physique are not very relevant, as I assume that the accusations are not about anabolic steroids (since I can't imagine they would make much of a difference in tennis) but about substances that increase your endurance such as EPO or blood doping, like the cyclists do. The doping cyclists do not look super-muscular, they just can go and go and go.

Deboogle!.
05-29-2006, 03:18 PM
Shingles is herpes zoster virus.Thanks:yeah:I don't agree at all with accusing people of doping (without huge proof) and I give it no credit, but I do think Nadal's muscularity or Ferrerro's physique are not very relevant, as I assume that the accusations are not about anabolic steroids (since I can't imagine they would make much of a difference in tennis) but about substances that increase your endurance such as EPO or blood doping, like the cyclists do. The doping cyclists do not look super-muscular, they just can go and go and go.Sure, and I suppose it makes sense in Rafa's case because he has won a lot of long tough matches, but so have a lot of players. Santoro plays long matches all the time and always seems ok after them :lol: Roger looked OK at the end of the Rome final, and he had played a lot more tennis leading into it, etc. You can't base potentially defamatory statements on appearance or physique or results. if they're hinting at this just based on something that's not a fact. I've never noticed Ferrero has particularly superior endurance? :shrug:

And Clara, not sure what the defamation laws in Europe are, but in the US even if they "played it safe" and didn't make direct accusations, things that can still be interpreted as making defamatory statements can still be defamatory.

Nathaliia
05-29-2006, 03:18 PM
It sounds like those magazines one can find in the supermarkets in the US (with headlines such as "UFO kidnapped three football player in Illinois during a match")
I have always thought there something not really right about the state Illinois.

:p

And back to the newspaper - true or false, people talk about this paper and they have advertisment for free.

Truc
05-29-2006, 03:28 PM
"French media does it again"?! It has absolutely nothing to do with the articles in "L'Équipe" which were based on informations coming from the laboratories.
And "Le journal du dimanche" is not a tabloid. It's a normal newspaper.

The article is a (rather laudatory) portrait of Nadal. There is a whole page about him. And a short part of the article is indeed about the rumours around him. But it's not an article about doping accusations. The journalist mentions the rumours, but he also criticizes them ("raccourci bien trop rapide", there is another explanation, if Nadal is doped, why not suspect Federer too, etc.)
There is nothing scandalous in the article imo.

Truc
05-29-2006, 03:29 PM
Here's the part of the article people are talking about:
"ACCUSATIONS À CHARGE
Elles s’expriment à voix feutrée dans l’entourage de certains joueurs français. Elles prennent aussi ce raccourci bien trop rapide : tout ce qui est hispanisant est forcément chargé. Ce type de suspicions existe depuis de nombreuses années sur le circuit, notamment sur les prises supposées d’EPO en Espagne, qui expliqueraient les brutales chutes de tension et les boutons de fièvre réguliers chez Ferrero et Corretja notamment. Concernant Nadal, certains estiment qu’on ne peut pas avoir un bras à la fois aussi musclé et rapide. D’autres ironisent sur sa capacité à sauter et smasher comme un fou après cinq heures de jeu. Sans toutefois émettre les mêmes doutes sur Federer, lui aussi dans ce cas de figure à Rome cette année…
Il existe cependant une vision plus idéaliste : la théorie de l’exception physique. La même qu’on peut appliquer à Diego Maradona, par exemple, qui était plus petit et moins fort que ses camarades de jeu, mais plus rapide. « Son physique surprenant n’a fait que suivre son état d’esprit hors du commun », analyse ainsi Patrick Mouratoglou. Rafael Nadal a simplement davantage de volonté que tous les autres joueurs réunis. Il suffit de le voir décrocher des coups droits gagnants les deux genoux au sol… Aucun produit au monde ne peut expliquer une telle attitude."

Deboogle!.
05-29-2006, 03:29 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Truc :)

Clara Bow
05-29-2006, 03:31 PM
Thanks Truc! :)

Julio1974
05-29-2006, 03:38 PM
Here's the part of the article people are talking about:
"ACCUSATIONS À CHARGE
Elles s’expriment à voix feutrée dans l’entourage de certains joueurs français. Elles prennent aussi ce raccourci bien trop rapide : tout ce qui est hispanisant est forcément chargé. Ce type de suspicions existe depuis de nombreuses années sur le circuit, notamment sur les prises supposées d’EPO en Espagne, qui expliqueraient les brutales chutes de tension et les boutons de fièvre réguliers chez Ferrero et Corretja notamment. Concernant Nadal, certains estiment qu’on ne peut pas avoir un bras à la fois aussi musclé et rapide. D’autres ironisent sur sa capacité à sauter et smasher comme un fou après cinq heures de jeu. Sans toutefois émettre les mêmes doutes sur Federer, lui aussi dans ce cas de figure à Rome cette année…
Il existe cependant une vision plus idéaliste : la théorie de l’exception physique. La même qu’on peut appliquer à Diego Maradona, par exemple, qui était plus petit et moins fort que ses camarades de jeu, mais plus rapide. « Son physique surprenant n’a fait que suivre son état d’esprit hors du commun », analyse ainsi Patrick Mouratoglou. Rafael Nadal a simplement davantage de volonté que tous les autres joueurs réunis. Il suffit de le voir décrocher des coups droits gagnants les deux genoux au sol… Aucun produit au monde ne peut expliquer une telle attitude."

Truc,
Is this journalism? "Certain", "d'autres"? Journalism is about sources. You cannot spread rumours like this. Please, notice also that the non doping interpretation is called "idealist".

And then, the use of a conditional verb (expliquerait) with respect to Ferrero and Corretja doesn't make it any better.

fadou
05-29-2006, 03:40 PM
http://www.marca.es/edicion/marca/tenis/roland_garros/es/desarrollo/653726.html

This is not serious. How can they launch this accusation without any base?

For the French: what kind of newspaper is Le Journal du Dimanche?

your spanich journalist should learn french before writing false informations :)

mishar
05-29-2006, 03:40 PM
Well I might be naive, since I can't imagine why someone would risk their whole career in tennis (a sport that largely involves complex coordination, timing, mental strength as well as athleticism) just for the advantage of doping. But I may be naive about the difference doping could make in a long clay-court match.

In any case, I don't think it's responsible for a newspaper to republish rumors without any evidence. I remember The NY Times ran an article about Mauresmo a few years ago repeating similar rumors without any person voicing them -- it just seems like journalistic irresponsibility.

Julio1974
05-29-2006, 03:43 PM
your spanich journalist should learn french before writing false informations :)

Actually, I know French and I know about media law. And I find the article disgusting.

Julio1974
05-29-2006, 03:48 PM
The thread title is edited to adjust to the content of the article (they are not directing accusing, just spreading rumours).

TheMightyFed
05-29-2006, 03:56 PM
And the comparison with Maradona in the "idealist" version is pretty ironic as the Argentine had the nose in cocaine and was controlled positive on another substance at some point...

bokehlicious
05-29-2006, 04:10 PM
your spanich journalist should learn french before writing false informations :)

The original JDD article was not harsh on Nadal indeed, but the Spanish tabloids jumped on that to claim the French are jealous of the Spaniards :retard:

Julio1974
05-29-2006, 04:16 PM
And the comparison with Maradona in the "idealist" version is pretty ironic as the Argentine had the nose in cocaine and was controlled positive on another substance at some point...

That's also true. Maradona was found guily of doping three times !! How can he be compared to Nadal? (sorry fellow Argentines, Maradona was a great player but it's impossible to justify him)

vincayou
05-29-2006, 04:16 PM
When marca try and give lesson about good journalism, you know you are in trouble! :lol:

That said, remember that we live in a country where the sport national event ("Tour de France") has been killed for many by the doping scandals.

Julio1974
05-29-2006, 04:19 PM
When marca try and give lesson about good journalism, you know you are in trouble! :lol:

That said, remember that we live in a country where the sport national event ("Tour de France") has been killed for many by the doping scandals.

I don' read Marca too much. But I can assure you that none of the Argentine newspapers can give a lesson about good journalism. However, the lack of standards in some countries does not justify what Le Journal du Dimanche did.

vincayou
05-29-2006, 04:25 PM
Journal du dimanche is not a very influent newspaper anyway. They are quite serious but much less than "Le Monde" or "Libération". In my opinion anyway, because I must have bought it once or twice in my life.

I would compare it to the Evening standard. Their main argument is to sell their stuff at a different moment than the others.

morningglory
05-29-2006, 04:44 PM
still pissed about the Grosjean match from last year? ;) :lol: even though the RUDE and totally DISRESPECTFUL French crowd that day booed and whistled and stood up and stopped play, Nadal still won and went on to win the title! :haha:

alfonsojose
05-29-2006, 04:47 PM
Nadal's fitness is suspicious. Period

Julio1974
05-29-2006, 04:54 PM
Nadal's fitness is suspicious. Period

Suspicious = no proof

Anyway, apart from Nadal, don't forget they are also including Ferrrero and Corretja.

nhissan
05-29-2006, 04:58 PM
Nadal's fitness is suspicious. Period

you know what Nadal is a Xmen that's why his left arm is much bigger than is right :o

Truc
05-29-2006, 05:02 PM
Truc,
Is this journalism? "Certains", "d'autres"? Journalism is about sources. You cannot spread rumours like this. Please, notice also that the non doping interpretation is called "idealist".I'm not saying the article is great, it is not. But your thread about it was completely out of proportion - it's not an article accusing Nadal of doping.
It's not new that French players often make this kind of comments in private, not about Nadal, but about doping in general, the journalist doesn't say anything new here. He clearly says these are rumours and he's discussing them. How do you want him to name his sources when he speaks about rumours?
Of course it's biased, but it's not as big a deal as you (and Marca) are saying. Nobody cares about that article in France!

Julio1974
05-29-2006, 05:16 PM
I'm not saying the article is great, it is not. But your thread about it was completely out of proportion - it's not an article accusing Nadal of doping.
It's not new that French players often make this kind of comments in private, not about Nadal, but about doping in general, the journalist doesn't say anything new here. He clearly says these are rumours and he's discussing them. How do you want him to name his sources when he speaks about rumours?
Of course it's biased, but it's not as big a deal as you (and Marca) are saying. Nobody cares about that article in France!

Truc,

Maybe nobody care in France. But I did not blow it out of proportion. The article is in the front pages of all Argentine and Spanish newspapers today:

See http://www.lanacion.com.ar/deportiva/nota.asp?nota_id=810002
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/05/29/um/m-01204492.htm
http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.php?Idx=257305&IdxSeccion=100804

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2006/05/29/tenis/1148919674.html
http://www.abc.es/20060529/deportes-tenis/ferrero-debuta-roland-garros_200605291640.html

Ask Ferrero, Corretja and Nadal whether they consider this is out of proportion. Ferrero was really pissed with the article

I don't give a damm who started this rumours. But a serious papers cannot spread them.

bokehlicious
05-29-2006, 05:59 PM
The article says that JCF and Corretja had obvious common roids side effect signs, which don't mean they were doped. Period.

The Undertaker
05-29-2006, 06:13 PM
Im pretty sure Rafa is dopped, just look at him...he is looking like he will explode any minute. He does have no game, he just runs up and down the court like crazy, i hope they suspend him. He is very boring player to watch.

*Viva Chile*
05-29-2006, 06:34 PM
In ESPN said that this is tabloidish (I don't know the correct word :p ) and that journal is sensationalist.

connectolove
05-29-2006, 06:48 PM
If I was Nadal, and had nothing to hide, I would sue them. But Spaniards don´t sue anybody.

bokehlicious
05-29-2006, 07:01 PM
In ESPN said that this is tabloidish (I don't know the correct word :p ) and that journal is sensationalist.

It isn't actually.

sampaio
05-29-2006, 07:04 PM
If I was Nadal, and had nothing to hide, I would sue them.

Waouw wait a minute did you read the article?
Nobody is accusing Nadal of dopping here !
Man this all affair is going out of proportion :the journalist just said that there were rumours ( wich is true ?Everybody agree ,right?) then he said that these rumours were not founded and that it is unfair to accuse Nadal and not players like Federer.That's all.
And then Spanish newspaper get all mad about it ,(i don't know why)that's stupid.They are so ridiculous ,i' don't know if i should cry or laugh about them.

In ESPN said that this is tabloidish (I don't know the correct word ) and that journal is sensationalist.

No they're not.

Castafiore
05-29-2006, 07:13 PM
Honestly, the article is not that bad like some of the others already mentioned. Certainly not as far as Nadal is concerned.
If that article was from a tabloid, it wouldn't have tried to give another viewpoint to the 'rumors' like they did. I'm not saying that this is good journalism but IMO, the Spanish press jumped on this and made a much bigger deal out of it than needed.

Besides, I agree with some here that Corretja and Ferrero have more reason to be pissed off about it because they didn't bother to give another viewpoint to those rumors.

connectolove
05-29-2006, 07:15 PM
It is very maniulative and nasty to print an article based on nothing but "rumors". It is as if they just want to piss the Spaniards and if they are trying ti do that, it is for a reason. The only reason I see is that Spaniards have been winning in RG for many years and the French are sick of it. It is a very low blow.

Julio1974
05-29-2006, 07:15 PM
Waouw wait a minute did you read the article?
Nobody is accusing Nadal of dopping here !
Man this all affair is going out of proportion :the journalist just said that there were rumours ( wich is true ?Everybody agree ,right?) then he said that these rumours were not founded and that it is unfair to accuse Nadal and not players like Federer.That's all.
And then Spanish newspaper get all mad about it ,(i don't know why)that's stupid.They are so ridiculous ,i' don't know if i should cry or laugh about them.



No they're not.

The mre use of words such as "according to some people" "others" or the use of conditional verbs (this "would" explain) should not protect the paper from a defamation claim. In fact, the French legal system is much tougher on defamation that the American one. So, I think Nadal would have a case. Under French law, he could also try to exercise the right to reply.

Castafiore
05-29-2006, 07:23 PM
It is very maniulative and nasty to print an article based on nothing but "rumors".
I do agree with that and there was no need to single out some Spanish players like they did and linking it to EPO scandals. French sportspeople do not exactly have a clean sheet either.

It's not good journalism.

The only reason I see is that Spaniards have been winning in RG for many years and the French are sick of it. It is a very low blow.
I don't know about that one. However, it's the same thing Lance Armstrong says about his doping rumors in the French press (and L'Equipe in particular) Lance did often suggest that he thinks that the French are pissed off that it's been too long since a French guy won the Tour de France and that an American guy has set a new record there.
I'm not too sure about that one either. :scratch:

connectolove
05-29-2006, 07:36 PM
Well, anything is possible. The French are a weird bunch, I guess.

bokehlicious
05-29-2006, 07:51 PM
I don't know about that one. However, it's the same thing Lance Armstrong says about his doping rumors in the French press (and L'Equipe in particular) Lance did often suggest that he thinks that the French are pissed off that it's been too long since a French guy won the Tour de France and that an American guy has set a new record there.
I'm not too sure about that one either. :scratch:

Although I get why Lance may be pissed by some French press, I think this article is really not such a big deal, and the Spanish press is far too sensitive here.

henree
05-29-2006, 07:52 PM
Lets hope the press doesn't pick up on this. It could taint Nadal's run.

Alvarillo
05-29-2006, 08:18 PM
if you're a good professional you can't say a new based on rumours .....
it's stupid, and only to make some damage :o
putos chauvinistassss :(
jealousss :p

hablovah19
05-29-2006, 09:52 PM
Oh please, as if this newspaper is reputable :tape:
never heard of it... maybe if lemonde.fr or l'equipe.fr printed it, it would be another story... :o

side note : nadal doesn't look as muscular as he was last year to me ;

also, so I made my comments without being able to read/assess it, too lazy to go through the whole thread to find a link of the article in french! :o:o:o

oneandonlyhsn
05-29-2006, 10:12 PM
:haha: I was waiting for these articles to begin circulating

casabe
05-29-2006, 11:18 PM
Nadal end of 2003:

http://www.estudiantes.info/images/estudiantes/nadal_6.jpghttp://images.sportsnetwork.com/tennis/getty/men/2003/nadal_rafael.jpg



Nadal 2004/2005:
http://www.rafaelnadal.org/pictures/rafael_nadal.jpg
http://www.rpp.com.pe/images/portada/deportes/rafael_nadal.jpg
http://www.rafaelnadal.org/pictures/us%20open/rafael%20nadal%2014.jpg


Tell me the secret Rafa!!

amierin
05-29-2006, 11:34 PM
The link seems to be down.
These types of articles, the Rafa is gay articles, all of this stuff starts when it's obvious that if it weren't for the head start in time on the tour that Roger has that Rafa would be the world number one.

Anyone know if there is a translation in English anywhere? Then again maybe it's good there isn't.

ETA:
I did notice today that when it became clear that Rafa was going to win the third set quite easily the stands emptied out. I was totally floored. Is the rivalry between France and Spain that intense? Don't forget I'm in the States and wouldn't know about this.

If it's on the front pages of the papers in Argentina and other countries as indicated above then something will have to be said. Rafa was tested 17 times last year. I think if they'd found something we'd know.

Scotso
05-30-2006, 12:24 AM
Without any proof it's difficult to take it seriously. However when I saw how fresh Nadal was after a 6-hours battle in Rome finals, I would n't be surprised. That was amazing. EPO is oldfashioned though, these guys must take something undetectable.

:rolleyes:

What a coincidence that you're a Fed fan.

cobalt60
05-30-2006, 12:25 AM
Just to clarify and sorry if he has all been cleared up but I don't have time to read all the posts here. Also sorry for the discourse in infectious disease :lol:

Herpes varicella virus= chicken pox
It is indeed the same virus that sits dormant in nerve endings and can re-establish itself as an outbreak later on. It is referred to as Zoster but its pattern is quite different as the outbreak does occur usually over one nerve root distribution. The former is itchy and is contagious as long as the pox hasn't scabbed. The later is painful as hell ( nerve pain) and also contagious until it scabs. However if found early in its course there is medication that can decrease the healing time, and also decrease the scars and long term nerve pain that some folks get.

Scotso
05-30-2006, 12:26 AM
Yawn. This isn't going to bother Rafa, if that was their intent.

Scotso
05-30-2006, 12:28 AM
Nadal end of 2003:

http://www.estudiantes.info/images/estudiantes/nadal_6.jpghttp://images.sportsnetwork.com/tennis/getty/men/2003/nadal_rafael.jpg



Nadal 2004/2005:
http://www.rafaelnadal.org/pictures/rafael_nadal.jpg
http://www.rpp.com.pe/images/portada/deportes/rafael_nadal.jpg
http://www.rafaelnadal.org/pictures/us%20open/rafael%20nadal%2014.jpg


Tell me the secret Rafa!!

See, people tend to get bigger as they grow up.

casabe
05-30-2006, 12:51 AM
See, people tend to get bigger as they grow up.

Go to a gym and ask there if you can get those muscles in 1 year. It is almost impossible, and if he had really done it "legaly" he had to be all days in the gym all the day, change his diet eating always meat, etc... (a rutine tennis players cannot do).

faboozadoo15
05-30-2006, 12:55 AM
with how much he plays isn't he tested A LOT?

faboozadoo15
05-30-2006, 12:56 AM
The link seems to be down.
These types of articles, the Rafa is gay articles, all of this stuff starts when it's obvious that if it weren't for the head start in time on the tour that Roger has that Rafa would be the world number one.

where are these articles? lol

oneandonlyhsn
05-30-2006, 01:14 AM
The link seems to be down.
These types of articles, the Rafa is gay articles, all of this stuff starts when it's obvious that if it weren't for the head start in time on the tour that Roger has that Rafa would be the world number one.

.

:retard: Another MTF genius in the making

Lucas Arg
05-30-2006, 05:03 AM
I think a rumour like this shouldn't be published until the ITF or ATP confirms it.

What I find out about tennis fans is when Cañas or Puerta were rumored of doping, there were so few fans defending the players.

Now Cañas penalty is reduced and probably Puerta will be playing soon too. But of course nobody will say something about it.

ServeAlready81
05-30-2006, 05:09 AM
Well if in fact Nadal is doping, I'm sure he isn't the only one doing it. I hate how the press singles people out. Just like someone said, Nadal didn't appear too tired after the 5 hour Rome final...but neither did Federer. If you accuse one player, gotta accuse them all.

Castafiore
05-30-2006, 05:17 AM
Nadal end of 2003:

http://www.estudiantes.info/images/estudiantes/nadal_6.jpghttp://images.sportsnetwork.com/tennis/getty/men/2003/nadal_rafael.jpg



Nadal 2004/2005:
http://www.rafaelnadal.org/pictures/rafael_nadal.jpg
http://www.rpp.com.pe/images/portada/deportes/rafael_nadal.jpg
http://www.rafaelnadal.org/pictures/us%20open/rafael%20nadal%2014.jpg


Tell me the secret Rafa!!
:rolleyes: You're using tabloid tactics here!

You first take earlier pictures of a younger Rafa with a big shirt, covering his arms and then you take newer pictures of Rafa in muscle shirt, in shirts where his muscles are seen due to the way he's flexing them.

If you bother to check out his physical progress properly, you would notice that Rafa has always been a 'big' boy compared with guys in his age group and there has been a steady progress in the way he has developped.
It's been said often enough you also need to take his background into consideration and how the men in his family look like. Check out his uncle Miquel Angel Nadal, the fierce defender with the nickname "Beast of Barcelona".

Castafiore
05-30-2006, 05:17 AM
Nadal end of 2003:

http://www.estudiantes.info/images/estudiantes/nadal_6.jpghttp://images.sportsnetwork.com/tennis/getty/men/2003/nadal_rafael.jpg



Nadal 2004/2005:
http://www.rafaelnadal.org/pictures/rafael_nadal.jpg
http://www.rpp.com.pe/images/portada/deportes/rafael_nadal.jpg
http://www.rafaelnadal.org/pictures/us%20open/rafael%20nadal%2014.jpg


Tell me the secret Rafa!!
:rolleyes: You're using tabloid tactics here!

You first take earlier pictures of a younger Rafa with a big shirt, covering his arms and then you take newer pictures of Rafa in muscle shirt, in shirts where his muscles are seen due to the way he's flexing them.

If you bother to check out his physical progress properly, you would notice that Rafa has always been a 'big' boy compared with guys in his age group and there has been a steady progress in the way he has developped.
It's been said often enough you also need to take his background into consideration and what the men in his family look like. Check out his uncle Miguel Angel Nadal, the fierce defender with the nickname "Beast of Barcelona".

Castafiore
05-30-2006, 05:21 AM
:haha: I was waiting for these articles to begin circulating
You're enjoying this? What is so funny in a :haha: way about it?

mandoura
05-30-2006, 05:37 AM
Well I feel stupid. But now I get to call my friend Jen and tease her that she does indeed have herpes. ;)

And aren't adult chicken pox and shingles the same thing?

Me not so smart. :confused:

:lol:

Don't say that. You extremely smart. :)

Clara Bow
05-30-2006, 05:59 AM
It's called puberty and training. Mix together in equal amounts, stir well, and serve chilled.

And speaking of puberty, why are people surprised that one arm is bigger than the other? :angel:

But he is right handed for everything outside of tennis, correct? :devil:

bokehlicious
05-30-2006, 06:30 AM
I did notice today that when it became clear that Rafa was going to win the third set quite easily the stands emptied out. I was totally floored. Is the rivalry between France and Spain that intense? Don't forget I'm in the States and wouldn't know about this.


:rolleyes: This match was just some boring moonballing and in the third Rafa was cruising and the weather became cold. I fully understand why a part of the audience went to diner before the end of such a match...

soraya
05-30-2006, 07:00 AM
so far I am hearing that he inherited his physique, that he does not pump iron, that he only swims and practices tennis. Nothing wrong in all of that, but I honestly doubt that he got those huge biceps only by swimming. Last I have heard, swimming is the only sport that develops all muscles evenly, Just a thought and please Rafamaniacs don't jump at me. :angel:

fadou
05-30-2006, 07:02 AM
Truc,

Maybe nobody care in France. But I did not blow it out of proportion. The article is in the front pages of all Argentine and Spanish newspapers today:

See http://www.lanacion.com.ar/deportiva/nota.asp?nota_id=810002
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/05/29/um/m-01204492.htm
http://www.infobae.com/notas/nota.php?Idx=257305&IdxSeccion=100804

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2006/05/29/tenis/1148919674.html
http://www.abc.es/20060529/deportes-tenis/ferrero-debuta-roland-garros_200605291640.html

Ask Ferrero, Corretja and Nadal whether they consider this is out of proportion. Ferrero was really pissed with the article

I don't give a damm who started this rumours. But a serious papers cannot spread them.

i'm sorry julio but your threat title is wrong again, this newspaper don't spread a rumor on nadal or spanish players but explain how the rumor is born and analyse the situation: IT's just an analyse, nothing else.
imagine, i create a new thread in this forum, writing "i heard that and that about this player but i'm not sure because no proof",
did i spread a rumor? no it's the same case about this little article.
spanish newspapers are very sensitive to this information and want create a "new false " rivalry between spanish and french players
and here we don't care of that

almouchie
05-30-2006, 07:10 AM
thats just cheap shots
I wonder if so much would have been made of his pyhsical appearance had he not been so successful

I didnt hear anybody say such stuff when the basketball player Lebron James at 19 was a full body builder type & a face of 30 year old. He still at 21 looks more like 31
no one ever questioned who he so big for his age, & I anm taking Shaq as an example as he is an exception.

Clara Bow
05-30-2006, 07:17 AM
Last I have heard, swimming is the only sport that develops all muscles evenly, Just a thought and please Rafamaniacs don't jump at me.

I've never really heard that swimming is his main strength training mechanism. A French feature on him a while ago showed that strength bands, old timey things such as push ups and tennis work are actually a larger part of his work out. Iirc, the only time when I really hear swimming connected that much with Nadal is when people (such as myself) are showing examples of young atheltes (ex. Michael Phelps - swimmer) who can be very muscular in their teens. As for the stronger armed thing- I think most can agree that about no one else does as much work in their forehand stroke as Nadal. And also- having one arm larger than the other in tennis is not really an anomoly. Just ask Laver- who was well known for having one arm larger than the other. Roger also has one arm larger than the other. And just because someone thinks that Rafa is not on dope does not make them a "maniac." ;)

Here is a translation from vr.com (by the same very fair non-KAD) of an article in L'Equipe about the Spanish camps anger about the rumors.

L’Equipe – 30/05/2006
« Spain defends itself »

Players have eyes everywhere. An article published in « Le Journal du Dimanche » on May 28 with the title « the earth was promissed to him” triggered a reaction from a few Spaniards. In the article, mainly about Nadal, it is written that some suspicions are circulating…about the supposed intake of EPO in Spain which would explain the sudden drop of blood pressure and herpes that’s often to be seen on Ferrero and Corretja.
Yesterday, after his victory over Juan Martin Del Potro, Juan Carlos Ferrero reacted furiously with: “this is nonsense…I have never been injected in my entire life. I wish that this journalist had the courage to say this to my face…”
A couple of lines further in the article, it brings up doubts in the entourage of certain French players about Nadal. Some think that you can not have an arm that is that muscled and that fast. Others question his capacity to still jump and smash like crazy after 5 hours of play. The Nadal clan, alerted by a Spanish colleague, started to investigate.Toni, uncle and trainer, even went up to Thierry Champion, trainer of Gaël Monfils, to ask an explanation.
“This article affected us”, explained Toni yesterday. “I asked Thierry if this is true. He replied yes, that certain people of the older generation have their doubts. I think that these accusations are very misplaced. Last year, Rafa was tested 17 times, all negative. But alright, I don’t think we need to justify ourselves. It would suffice to just come and watch us work to understand…”
Champion confirms this: “I often go and watch Nadal when he’s training. Rafael doesn’t do more sessions than others but each time, with each shot, he plays at 100%. I know Toni well and he’s so protective over his nephew that I can’t imagine for a second that he would allow him to do such things…”

soraya
05-30-2006, 07:25 AM
And just because someone doesn't think that Rafa is not on dope does not make them a "maniac." ;)

Clara dear, Point well taken. The "maniac" was not certainly directed at you. I do realize that all tennis player have the muscles of the arm they use more developed than the other. :)

Clara Bow
05-30-2006, 07:38 AM
Soraya- just have to apologize for my double negative in my initial post- I have since corrected it. Grammar (and spelling) are sadly weak points for me.

And I am sorry if sometimes I seem rather defensive when it comes to all things Rafa. I just really like the kid- and think he is clean- so I do get sad when I read all of the negative stuff about him. I do think that there is a lot, and imo a lot of it is not really fair. (I will admit that he needs to quit picking his rear and should calm down the cheers sometimes on his opponents UEs.)

TheMightyFed
05-30-2006, 07:51 AM
:rolleyes:

What a coincidence that you're a Fed fan.
I was talking about the 05 finals against Coria. However I think 90% of the top 50 is on something, you tell me Fed takes something I'm not surprised. Tennis is too much of a business to be spared, and the salary hierarchy is so steep and brutal that it creates a huge pressure. These guys don't have time to ask "is it bad or not ?". When millions are at stake in sponsor contracts, prize money, TV expectations, don't you think you wouldn't take something to recover quickly and last longer ?

Action Jackson
05-30-2006, 08:00 AM
Ha ha, dope cheat Corretja? Now I've heard everything. I gather he's on site working for Spanish TV, he should probably give an on-air reply of some kind.

If Corretja took any drugs, they should have given him ones that'd have stopped him from being too nice on court (exception against Hewitt).

connectolove
05-30-2006, 08:36 AM
Nadal comes from a well to do family, he is not a hungry player willing to do anything for money.

I hope that all this bs stops soon, it is not good for the sports. If he gets caught, then punish him and let´s move on. Otherwise all this is nothing but trash.

_Tripp_
05-30-2006, 07:51 PM
Hey everyone, I'm not used to posting on this forum, but I thought I sould say, in case this topic hasn't been touched before, and if it has, I apology, that I've heard from a very reliable source that the doping incident in last year's Roland Garros final involved both players that took part of it. Apparently the ATP had arranged not to say anything at all about any of them just to cover up their super-star Rafael Nadal, but Mariano Puerta ended up being accused anyway.

A strange story, but I'm convinced it's true, I repeat, I heard it from a very good source.

MariaV
05-30-2006, 07:53 PM
Hey everyone, I'm not used to posting on this forum, but I thought I sould say, in case this topic hasn't been touched before, and if it has, I apology, that I've heard from a very reliable source that the doping incident in last year's Roland Garros final involved both players that took part of it. Apparently the ATP had arranged not to say anything at all about any of them just to cover up their super-star Rafael Nadal, but Mariano Puerta ended up being accused anyway.

A strange story, but I'm convinced it's true, I repeat, I heard it from a very good source.
And what source is this? And of course there is proof? :rolleyes: Unless there's proof better not tell about it.

Rogiman
05-30-2006, 07:56 PM
Low blow and nothing more.

mangoes
05-30-2006, 07:57 PM
Nadal comes from a well to do family, he is not a hungry player willing to do anything for money.

I hope that all this bs stops soon, it is not good for the sports. If he gets caught, then punish him and let´s move on. Otherwise all this is nothing but trash.


Not that I even think this nonsense about Nadal to be true, but do you think only poor players cheat?? or only poor people cheat?? Because that is what you are implying. Kindly stop generalizing.........you do that quite frequently.

DrJules
05-30-2006, 08:09 PM
Is the article accusing Rafael of drug taking OR saying other people say he is taking drugs. If the latter is true then the newspaper is not accusing, but just reporting the comments of others.

Merton
05-30-2006, 08:10 PM
I was talking about the 05 finals against Coria. However I think 90% of the top 50 is on something, you tell me Fed takes something I'm not surprised. Tennis is too much of a business to be spared, and the salary hierarchy is so steep and brutal that it creates a huge pressure. These guys don't have time to ask "is it bad or not ?". When millions are at stake in sponsor contracts, prize money, TV expectations, don't you think you wouldn't take something to recover quickly and last longer ?

The incentives are huge but so is the punishment. As long as they are tested clean it is unfair to spread rumors for anybody since it is impossible to disprove a negative. It is easy to construct stories for anybody in the top-50, but it is trash.

Julio1974
05-30-2006, 10:09 PM
Hey everyone, I'm not used to posting on this forum, but I thought I sould say, in case this topic hasn't been touched before, and if it has, I apology, that I've heard from a very reliable source that the doping incident in last year's Roland Garros final involved both players that took part of it. Apparently the ATP had arranged not to say anything at all about any of them just to cover up their super-star Rafael Nadal, but Mariano Puerta ended up being accused anyway.

A strange story, but I'm convinced it's true, I repeat, I heard it from a very good source.

Argentinians love conspiracy theories. We are addicted to them.

mickymouse
05-31-2006, 04:46 AM
Nadal comes from a well to do family, he is not a hungry player willing to do anything for money.

I hope that all this bs stops soon, it is not good for the sports. If he gets caught, then punish him and let´s move on. Otherwise all this is nothing but trash.

According to your logic, people who are well-to-do have integrity while the poor are the ones who'll cheat in order to get more money? Dopers do it more for the glory of winning than for money. Many of those caught are already millionaires but they still do it anyway because of their hunger for success.

joyk
05-31-2006, 06:03 AM
The article bites,a serious journalist wouldn`t make such acusations without proof.Doping charges can really affect the career of a pro athlete,journalist should have a little more respect for the work,dedication and talent of athletes.Do we have to accuse every player that is a bit above average of taking banned substances?If you`re a bit more muscular or a little stronger or faster than the rest does it necessarily mean you`re doped?I`m not a fan of Nadal,if the guy tested positive than by all means bust his ass,but if he didn`t shut your mouth!Journalism isn`t based on assumptions.

tangerine_dream
06-01-2006, 06:36 PM
Well, the French tabloids weren't getting anywhere with the Armstrong doping accusations so now I guess they've decided to move on to Nadal. :rolleyes:

Deivid23
06-01-2006, 08:27 PM
Hell yes, what a funny thread full of idiots :lol:

Nadal's fitness is suspicious. Period

Maybe it´s suspicious to you cause you´re too delicate to run some km´s :retard:


:haha: I was waiting for these articles to begin circulating

Congrats, you´ve definetely reached the same level of some assholes like JMPower and similars :retard:

Go to a gym and ask there if you can get those muscles in 1 year. It is almost impossible, and if he had really done it "legaly" he had to be all days in the gym all the day, change his diet eating always meat, etc... (a rutine tennis players cannot do).

I don´t know if you can or not, but I know a lot of people (including myself) that needed not more than a year in a gym to make a huge change in his phisionomy without diets nor shits like those. So go get a clue, payaso :retard:

Chloe le Bopper
06-01-2006, 08:37 PM
He does have no game, he just runs up and down the court like crazy, i hope they suspend him.

:retard:

Chloe le Bopper
06-01-2006, 08:38 PM
Nadal's fitness is suspicious. Period

Oh.

Hrbaty's probably just as fit as Nadal, we better hold him under suspicion without proof as well.

Chloe le Bopper
06-01-2006, 08:39 PM
Nadal end of 2003:

http://www.estudiantes.info/images/estudiantes/nadal_6.jpghttp://images.sportsnetwork.com/tennis/getty/men/2003/nadal_rafael.jpg



Nadal 2004/2005:
http://www.rafaelnadal.org/pictures/rafael_nadal.jpg
http://www.rpp.com.pe/images/portada/deportes/rafael_nadal.jpg
http://www.rafaelnadal.org/pictures/us%20open/rafael%20nadal%2014.jpg


Tell me the secret Rafa!!

Purberty.

Give us all a call when you finally hit it.

Deivid23
06-01-2006, 08:41 PM
Purberty.

Give us all a call when you finally hit it.

:lol:

scarecrows
06-01-2006, 08:46 PM
Purberty.

Give us all a call when you finally hit it.


yeah, puberty at 16-17

whatever man, just try not being funny when what you say it's stupid

Chloe le Bopper
06-01-2006, 08:46 PM
Go to a gym and ask there if you can get those muscles in 1 year. It is almost impossible, and if he had really done it "legaly" he had to be all days in the gym all the day, change his diet eating always meat, etc... (a rutine tennis players cannot do).
Someday you and your friends will hit puberty. You may notice during this time that some of your friends, and possibly even yourself, develop at what seem to be absurd rates. I assure you that this is nothing to be concerened about. The changes that your body will be going through are perfectly natural.

Chloe le Bopper
06-01-2006, 08:48 PM
yeah, puberty at 16-17

whatever man, just try not being funny when what you say it's stupid
Uh, yes. Puberty can drastically effect the male body at the ages of 16 and 17.

Do any of you people actually have pubic hair yet? :shrug:

vincayou
06-01-2006, 08:49 PM
Well, the French tabloids weren't getting anywhere with the Armstrong doping accusations so now I guess they've decided to move on to Nadal. :rolleyes:

Amstrong is the father of all dopers. But again, in his sport, they all do crazy stuff. Cycling is rotten to the core, anybody with a tiny bit of good sense and following the sport a bit closely know that. All doped. Sad but true.

SwiSha
06-01-2006, 08:49 PM
Nadal's fitness is suspicious. Period

muahahahaha just because u can t find the way to the gym :haha:

Honigman
06-01-2006, 08:53 PM
Just to clarify, although it is not puberty at 16 or 17, men are still growing and developing sometines until their reach 21 (women usually start and sinish developing earlier) so why is it so surprising that he has grown taller and stronger between the ages of 16 and 20. And I remember he was quite impressive phisically last year as well. We are talking about a professional athlete, who works on it and who also has the genes to back him up. It is wrong to spread rumours without proof.

DrJules
06-01-2006, 08:53 PM
The key is to ensure the substances you take are legal.

Chloe le Bopper
06-01-2006, 09:01 PM
Just to clarify, although it is not puberty at 16 or 17, men are still growing and developing sometines until their reach 21 (women usually start and sinish developing earlier) so why is it so surprising that he has grown taller and stronger between the ages of 16 and 20. And I remember he was quite impressive phisically last year as well. We are talking about a professional athlete, who works on it and who also has the genes to back him up. It is wrong to spread rumours without proof.

Um, yes. It IS puberty at 16 or 17. Puberty isn't a stage that starts and ends after your first wet dream.

Regardless, aside from that point we agree.

soraya
06-02-2006, 12:25 AM
Uh, yes. Puberty can drastically effect the male body at the ages of 16 and 17.

Do any of you people actually have pubic hair yet? :shrug:

:o :rolls: :rolls: :rolls:

lilly
06-02-2006, 12:28 AM
i'm sorry julio but your threat title is wrong again, this newspaper don't spread a rumor on nadal or spanish players but explain how the rumor is born and analyse the situation: IT's just an analyse, nothing else.
imagine, i create a new thread in this forum, writing "i heard that and that about this player but i'm not sure because no proof",
did i spread a rumor? no it's the same case about this little article.
spanish newspapers are very sensitive to this information and want create a "new false " rivalry between spanish and french players
and here we don't care of that
I wish I could read the article in french for myself....do you have a link ? (j'ai cherché l'article sur l'internet mais sans succès :o)
It wouldn't be the first time that posters have misunderstood an article in french on this board before though :o:help:

Merton
06-02-2006, 12:46 AM
Statement 1: Nadal increased his muscles a lot between 2003-2005, therefore Nadal doped.

Statement 2: Nadal increased his muscles a lot between 2003-2005, therefore he was abducted and replaced by an alien robot.

What is the similarity of these statements? Left as an exercise.