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Gimelstob is a dumbass.

Eclectic Goddess
05-28-2006, 07:12 PM
Seriously, how did he convince SportsIllustrated.com to give him his own column? I can only think that there must have been some form of blackmail involved.

From his latest "blog":

I was practicing on Court 3 at Roland Garros on Friday morning, getting my butt kicked by Russian Max Mirnyi, when I took a deep breath and a long look around...

fenomeno2111
05-28-2006, 07:18 PM
:confused: Saying his from Russia doesn't make him a dumbass, just another misinformed american :rolleyes: Just kidding, nothing wrong with not knowing his nationality in my opinion :cool:

Sjengster
05-28-2006, 07:20 PM
Ah, don't lambast the poor man too heavily. A similar mistake was once made on an episode of Friends (you know, the one with Hank Azaria as Phoebe's lover-scientist who needs to go to his new research job in Minsk), so his mistake is only the product of American cultural hegemony. Or something.

Tell you what, someone needs to make him visit the man who I heard courtside at the Mirnyi v Kafelnikov match way back in Toronto 2002; every time Mirnyi won a game, he shouted out "Belarussssskiaaaaaa!!!!!". And in the interests of fairness, it was plain old "Russsskiaaaaaa!!!!!" whenever Kafelnikov got on the scoreboard.

Deboogle!.
05-28-2006, 07:21 PM
Please don't lump all Americans together. Some of us are quite well informed and know that Max is from Belarus. Thank you. :)

Eclectic Goddess
05-28-2006, 07:25 PM
Sorry, but I'm an American, and I know Max is from Belarus.

The point is, if he's going to write a column, then he needs to get his facts straight. It would be easy enough to check.

"Hey, Max. Where are you from again?"

See, not that hard.

cobalt60
05-28-2006, 07:57 PM
Give some credit to his editor/copy editor. They are in charge of proof-reading the column before it gets published. :)

ezekiel
05-28-2006, 08:00 PM
dumb thread, Do europeans know where Roddick and Blake are from and would you fault them for saying they are from LA and Chicago?
Get real :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Deboogle!.
05-28-2006, 08:01 PM
Give some credit to his editor/copy editor. They are in charge of proof-reading the column before it gets published. :) No it is all Justin's fault, he is just a stupid american :)

Please Sue, get with the program.

Golfnduck
05-28-2006, 08:09 PM
You think Gimelstob would double check his work before he turned it in. Thanks Justin for making Americans look stupid once again :o

tennis_freak67
05-28-2006, 08:10 PM
Since you seem so intent on nitpicking a small mistake by Gimelstob, let's pick on an error from Federer's interview today.



It's very similar to the match I played in Australia in the first round. I played Ivo Minar in the first round. I never heard of him. This time around it was even more difficult because I only knew one day ahead who I was going to play, and I never heard of his name or never seen him before. First time I saw him was five minutes before the match. It's not so easy to play like this.

1. Roger played DENIS ISTOMIN in the first round.
2. Roger played Ivo Minar three times before, yet he's never heard of him?

Don't blame Roger though, he's just another stupid Swiss dude.

GermanBoy
05-28-2006, 08:13 PM
As if this was such a catastrophe... He didn't Max Mirnyi from Italy or so!

Deboogle!.
05-28-2006, 08:14 PM
Since you seem so intent on nitpicking a small mistake by Gimelstob, let's pick on an error from Federer's interview today.




1. Roger played DENIS ISTOMIN in the first round.
2. Roger played Ivo Minar three times before, yet he's never heard of him?

Don't blame Roger though, he's just another stupid Swiss dude.Actually, that's false transcripting, and I know this because literally 2 minutes ago they showed this very part of his press conference on ESPN and he clearly said Istomin.

So, Fed was right on this one :) But, it shows how easy it is to make a small mistake:)

MissMoJo
05-28-2006, 08:17 PM
Russian, Belarussian, it's really not that big of a deal

cobalt60
05-28-2006, 08:17 PM
No it is all Justin's fault, he is just a stupid american :)

Please Sue, get with the program.
:awww: Do I have too? I like being clueless ;) I could start a thread too :devil:

cobalt60
05-28-2006, 08:20 PM
You think Gimelstob would double check his work before he turned it in. Thanks Justin for making Americans look stupid once again :o
Obviously none of us know exactly the mechanism for what happened. However my hubs is a writer for magazines and newspapers. His editor(s) will often change something that he wrote making assumptions. In certain cases the article gets published without hubs knowing about the change until he reads it in print. It happens. :p

tennis_freak67
05-28-2006, 08:22 PM
Actually, that's false transcripting, and I know this because literally 2 minutes ago they showed this very part of his press conference on ESPN and he clearly said Istomin.

So, Fed was right on this one :) But, it shows how easy it is to make a small mistake:)

You can blame ATP for this.

Deboogle!.
05-28-2006, 08:25 PM
The ATP aren't the ones that transcribe it. Some paid transcriber from ASAPSports does it and distributes it to the press, including the ATP. They misquote people all the time. But Roger said the correct name - and if I am defending Roger, you know it must be true :lol:

Julio1974
05-28-2006, 08:27 PM
dumb thread, Do europeans know where Roddick and Blake are from and would you fault them for saying they are from LA and Chicago?
Get real :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

That's the typical American excuse for the lack of knowledge in geography. It's not the same to to know where is Arkansas than to know where is Brasil. While Americans are extremely brillant on many areas, they don't have adequate geogrpahic knowledge, compared to ohter first world countries. And they are well aware of that. I remember reading a couple of newspapers' articles on this issue.

fenomeno2111
05-28-2006, 08:32 PM
The ATP aren't the ones that transcribe it. Some paid transcriber from ASAPSports does it and distributes it to the press, including the ATP. They misquote people all the time. But Roger said the correct name - and if I am defending Roger, you know it must be true :lol:

I heard the interview 20 minutes ago but I wasn't paying atention BUT I hhave my almighty Tivo, i pressed rewind and indeed you are right he said Istomin a littla weird because he wasn't so sure of the pronunciation but I just saw/heard it. :cool:

Deboogle!.
05-28-2006, 08:36 PM
That's the typical American excuse for the lack of knowledge in geography. It's not the same to to know where is Arkansas than to know where is Brasil. While Americans are extremely brillant on many areas, they don't have adequate geogrpahic knowledge, compared to ohter first world countries. And they are well aware of that. I remember reading a couple of newspapers' articles on this issue.Please. I had to learn every country in the world, where it is on a map, and its capital - in my regular old average public school when I was twelve. Obviously the countries have changed a little bit since then, but again, please do not lump all Americans together and assume we all know nothing about geography. Thank you :)

Howard
05-28-2006, 08:39 PM
I’ve always thought it would be a lot simpler if we just divided the people of the world into two sections: Americans and non-Americans. That way we could say, “Max Mirnyi, the non-American…”

I mean, if you’re not an American, does it really matter what you are? (Insert sarcastic smilie here.)

SwiSha
05-28-2006, 08:41 PM
I’ve always thought it would be a lot simpler if we just divided the people of the world into two sections: Americans and non-Americans. That way we could say, “Max Mirnyi, the non-American…”

I mean, if you’re not an American, does it really matter what you are? (Insert sarcastic smilie here.)

fuck u and u sarcastic smile this ain t funny idiot

Julio1974
05-28-2006, 08:42 PM
Please. I had to learn every country in the world, where it is on a map, and its capital - in my regular old average public school when I was twelve. Obviously the countries have changed a little bit since then, but again, please do not lump all Americans together and assume we all know nothing about geography. Thank you :)

Deb, of course there are thousands (or millions) of exceptions, but you cannot deny a problem that has been highlited by American educational experts. While I was studying there I remember reading at least two articles on the NYT about this question. And this one is more recent.


Study: Geography Greek to young Americans

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- After more than three years of combat and nearly 2,400 U.S. military deaths in Iraq, nearly two-thirds of Americans aged 18 to 24 still cannot find Iraq on a map, a study released Tuesday showed.

The study found that less than six months after Hurricane Katrina devastated New Orleans and the Gulf Coast, 33 percent could not point out Louisiana on a U.S. map.

The National Geographic-Roper Public Affairs 2006 Geographic Literacy Study paints a dismal picture of the geographic knowledge of the most recent graduates of the U.S. education system.

"Taken together, these results suggest that young people in the United States ... are unprepared for an increasingly global future," said the study's final report.

"Far too many lack even the most basic skills for navigating the international economy or understanding the relationships among people and places that provide critical context for world events."

The study, which surveyed 510 young Americans from December 17 to January 20, showed that 88 percent of those questioned could not find Afghanistan on a map of Asia despite widespread coverage of the U.S.-led overthrow of the Taliban in 2001 and the political rebirth of the country.

In the Middle East, 63 percent could not find Iraq or Saudi Arabia on a map, and 75 percent could not point out Iran or Israel. Forty-four percent couldn't find any one of those four countries.

Inside the United States, "half or fewer of young men and women 18-24 can identify the states of New York or Ohio on a map [50 percent and 43 percent, respectively]," the study said.

On the positive side, the study noted, seven in 10 young Americans correctly located China on a map, even though they had a number of misconceptions about that country. Forty-five percent said China's population is only twice that of the United States. It's actually four times larger than the U.S. population.

When the poll was conducted in 2002, "Americans scored second to last on overall geographic knowledge, trailing Canada, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, Japan and Sweden," the report said.

The release of the 2006 study coincides with the launch of the National Geographic-led campaign called "My Wonderful World." A statement on the program said it was designed to "inspire parents and educators to give their kids the power of global knowledge."

Deboogle!.
05-28-2006, 08:45 PM
Deb, of course there are thousands (or millions) of exceptions, but you cannot deny a problem that has been highlited by American educational experts. While I was studying there I remember reading at least two articles on the NYC about this question. And this one is more recent.Sure it's a problem, but my gosh Justin made a little mistake, nothing worse than I have seen from journalists, tennis commentators, and people on here. Justin has traveled the world, I would really bet he knows what and where Belarus is, he has probably been to more countries than a lot of people on this board who are judging him. He made a mistake, it doesn't mean he is stupid and doesn't know Geography. I'm sorry, this is a sensitive topic for me :)

Sjengster
05-28-2006, 08:49 PM
When I was six or seven years old I could probably have told you the capital of Burkina Faso, but my geographic knowledge has sadly slipped since then. Anyway, am I right in saying that Roddick was born in Omaha, Nebraska and now resides in Austin, Texas, and that Blake was born in Yonkers, New York and now resides in.... somewhere else in the north-east? OK, I'm going to go check.

Ah, Tampa Florida. Still, 3 out of 4 ain't bad. :p

Julio1974
05-28-2006, 08:50 PM
Sure it's a problem, but my gosh Justin made a little mistake, nothing worse than I have seen from journalists, tennis commentators, and people on here. Justin has traveled the world, I would really bet he knows what and where Belarus is, he has probably been to more countries than a lot of people on this board who are judging him. He made a mistake, it doesn't mean he is stupid and doesn't know Geography. I'm sorry, this is a sensitive topic for me :)

I would never blame poor Justin. I totally agree with you on that. The former USRR collapsed into so many countries that it's not fair to expect a tennis player to know them all. I really wonder who in this forum can locate all the former soviet republic in a map. I was just respondindg to that poster who thinks it's the same to ignore the location of an American's state than to ignore a country.

Deboogle!.
05-28-2006, 08:50 PM
When I was six or seven years old I could probably have told you the capital of Burkina Faso, but my geographic knowledge has sadly slipped since then. Anyway, am I right in saying that Roddick was born in Omaha, Nebraska and now resides in Austin, Texas, and that Blake was born in Yonkers, New York and now resides in.... somewhere else in the north-east? OK, I'm going to go check.

Ah, Tampa Florida. Still, 3 out of 4 ain't bad. :pYou were right, he still has a home in Connecticut :)

Julio, Americans don't know anything about US Geography either. When I was in high school we took a family trip to New Mexico and people asked me how we got around because neither my parents nor me knew Spanish :o

Sjengster
05-28-2006, 08:54 PM
I suppose the analogy of US states with other countries has some validity given the extent to which the states differ - in educational standards, for instance, which is why Deb had very good geography lessons and those people mentioned in Julio's article do not. Still, I would imagine there are provinces within each of the former Soviet republics.

Howard
05-28-2006, 08:54 PM
fuck u and u sarcastic smile this ain t funny idiot
What a clever response... for a nine-year-old.

Julio1974
05-28-2006, 08:54 PM
Julio, Americans don't know anything about US Geography either. When I was in high school we took a family trip to New Mexico and people asked me how we got around because neither my parents nor me knew Spanish :o


:haha: :haha:

fenomeno2111
05-28-2006, 08:54 PM
Deb, of course there are thousands (or millions) of exceptions, but you cannot deny a problem that has been highlited by American educational experts. While I was studying there I remember reading at least two articles on the NYT about this question. And this one is more recent.


There's a problem here, but so there is in many other so called "first-world" country (I hate those terms of first and third world, just a "correct" term for haves and have-nots). Ask people in USA, UK, France or Germany where Venezuela or Turkmenistan is and many wouldn't know. Although I agree with you there is a deep problem with American education system.

Sjengster
05-28-2006, 08:55 PM
You were right, he still has a home in Connecticut :)

Julio, Americans don't know anything about US Geography either. When I was in high school we took a family trip to New Mexico and people asked me how we got around because neither my parents nor me knew Spanish :o

Perhaps the separate nation of Mexico should be renamed Merry Olde Mexico, to help avoid confusion. :p

Leo
05-28-2006, 08:57 PM
He shouldn't have a blog anyway. He's not that interesting or clever.

Sjengster
05-28-2006, 08:57 PM
There's a problem here, but so there is in many other so called "first-world" country (I hate those terms of first and third world, just a "correct" term for haves and have-nots). Ask people in USA, UK, France or Germany where Venezuela or Turkmenistan is and many wouldn't know. Although I agree with you there is a deep problem with American education system.

Hey, give it a few years and we'll have plumbed lower depths than the worst American cases. I read recently that a kid in a school here thought that Paris and France were separate countries.

Deboogle!.
05-28-2006, 08:57 PM
I suppose the analogy of US states with other countries has some validity given the extent to which the states differ - in educational standards, for instance, which is why Deb had very good geography lessons and those people mentioned in Julio's article do not. Still, I would imagine there are provinces within each of the former Soviet republics.It's not even state by state, it's city by city, school by school, and often teacher by teacher! HECK, i took an advanced english lit class my senior year and the same teacher taught three separate class sections of the same class and we all read different books! The standardization is very bad here and very VERY bad compared to the more nationalized systems in Europe.

Julio, I know, isn't that horrific? :o

NYCtennisfan
05-28-2006, 09:47 PM
They should hang him.

vogus
05-28-2006, 10:21 PM
hell, there are people in the US who think that West Virginia is a different country from Virginia.

Mirnyi isn't one of those patriotic Belarussians anyway, his tennis career was probably financed by Moscow sponsors. So Gimelstob's mistake is not so far off from reality.

tennis_freak67
05-28-2006, 10:39 PM
He shouldn't have a blog anyway. He's not that interesting or clever.

Then you`re obviously a bad judge of wit.

Eclectic Goddess
05-28-2006, 10:42 PM
hell, there are people in the US who think that West Virginia is a different country from Virginia.

Mirnyi isn't one of those patriotic Belarussians anyway, his tennis career was probably financed by Moscow sponsors. So Gimelstob's mistake is not so far off from reality.
Nah, Max isn't patriotic at all...he just carries the Belarus Davis Cup team on his back year after year because he has nothing better to do.

Eclectic Goddess
05-28-2006, 10:45 PM
He shouldn't have a blog anyway. He's not that interesting or clever.
I have to agree. Things like this are only a symptom of the problem, as I see it. If Sports Illustrated wanted an active tennis player to write a weekly column, they could do SO much better.

shotgun
05-28-2006, 11:17 PM
Russian, Belarussian, it's really not that big of a deal

Yeah, yankee, canuck, not that big of a deal.

tennis_freak67
05-28-2006, 11:18 PM
Yeah, yankee, canuck, not that big of a deal.

I don`t think it is to many. ;)

alelysafina
05-28-2006, 11:20 PM
Perhaps the separate nation of Mexico should be renamed Merry Olde Mexico, to help avoid confusion. :p

:haha: :haha: :haha:

MissMoJo
05-28-2006, 11:24 PM
Yeah, yankee, canuck, not that big of a deal.
It isn't a big enough deal to call him a dumbass

shotgun
05-28-2006, 11:42 PM
It isn't a big enough deal to call him a dumbass

Agreed.

scoobs
05-29-2006, 12:17 AM
Gimelstob has been around long enough to remember when Belarus was part of the Soviet Union. I would hardly expect the average American, or the average European for that matter, to be totally au fait with what happened to all the Soviet satellite republics after the USSR broke up.

He could do with perhaps just checking his facts on such matters as part of the editorial process, though.

I won't jump on the criticism of American education bandwagon because the history and geography teaching I received in the UK was appalling. Were it not for my own interest in these subjects I wouldn't have the faintest idea what state Charlotte is in, nor would I know which country Minsk is the capital of. I went and found out for myself but a hell of a lot of people just don't.

RealBlast3
05-29-2006, 12:24 AM
I happen to love Geography and love trying to learn all the state and country capitals there are, and I'm american. But if we Americans are expected to know all the former Soviet Republics, then I think it is only fair that the rest of the world know all our states and capitals, after all, alot of our states are just as big, size wise, as alot of European countries, so they cannot be simply dismissed as 'America", or the "states". IF we have to learn, than so do you. Learning is FUN. And yes, I did know that Mirni was from Belarus, as is Natasha Zvereva, and that its capital is Minsk.

Here's something I don't know however, that might, maybe explain Justin's mistake. What is the national language of Belarus? Is it russuan? Just curious. I mean maybe Justin has seen/heard Max hanging out with alot of other Russian or Ex-Soivet Rupublic players and they were all speaking Russian together, therefore he lumped them in as Russian. Still a bit stupid on his part, but hey, I never thought he was an Einstein anyway.

shotgun
05-29-2006, 12:27 AM
I happen to love Geography and love trying to learn all the state and country capitals there are, and I'm american. But if we Americans are expected to know all the former Soviet Republics, then I think it is only fair that the rest of the world know all our states and capitals, after all, alot of our states are just as big, size wise, as alot of European countries, so they cannot be simply dismissed as 'America", or the "states". IF we have to learn, than so do you. Learning is FUN. And yes, I did know that Mirni was from Belarus, as is Natasha Zvereva, and that its capital is Minsk.

Because each North American state is as important as an European country, right?

scoobs
05-29-2006, 12:31 AM
Because each North American state is as important as an European country, right?
Why not? Many of them have bigger economies than some European countries.

California alone is in the top 10 biggest economies in the world.

I do think Americans should know their own country - and Europeans should know their continent. And wonderful things like wikipedia make it so much easier to check facts - take note Gimelstob :)

shotgun
05-29-2006, 12:34 AM
Why not? Many of them have bigger economies than some European countries.

California alone is in the top 10 biggest economies in the world.


You're taking perhaps the most proeminent of all North American states as an example. The way RealBlast3 put it, for a guy in, say, Laos, it's as important to know what Rhode Island's capital is (nothing against the people from Providence, btw) as what Ukraine's capital is.

scoobs
05-29-2006, 12:38 AM
You're taking perhaps the most proeminent of all North American states as an example. The way RealBlast3 put it, for a guy in, say, Laos, it's as important to know what Rhode Island's capital is (nothing against the people from Providence, btw) as what Ukraine's capital is.
It's probably not important for someone in Laos to know either of those things, though they might want to read up on Cambodia and Thailand :)

I do get the point you're making, but I also get his point - America is a huge country and Europe is a pretty big continent and we should all make efforts to educate ourselves about the other.

But where I differ is thinking Americans should learn about their own country first and foremost then other places, and Europeans the same. I find it embarrassing that a hell of a lot of British people wouldn't have a clue where to find Croatia on a map.

Jairus
05-29-2006, 12:47 AM
When I was six or seven years old I could probably have told you the capital of Burkina Faso, but my geographic knowledge has sadly slipped since then. Anyway, am I right in saying that Roddick was born in Omaha, Nebraska and now resides in Austin, Texas, and that Blake was born in Yonkers, New York and now resides in.... somewhere else in the north-east? OK, I'm going to go check.

Ah, Tampa Florida. Still, 3 out of 4 ain't bad. :p


OMG, someone else likes Ouagadougou? When I was like 10, I used to click the little "pronunciation" button on Encarta over and over just to hear the recorded baritone say that many vowels. Good times.

Deboogle!.
05-29-2006, 12:51 AM
And wonderful things like wikipedia make it so much easier to check facts - take note Gimelstob :):topic: Please take no offense, but using wikipedia and trusting what's on there is just as bad as people not learning geography in school and whatnot :p it really scares me that anyone and their brother could put up pretty much whatever they want on wikipedia and people will not only use it and believe it but I've actually seen scholarly publications that are citing to wikipedia for their factual statements! :eek: The amount of factual errors I myself have seen on that site is unnerving and it's shocking to open a professional work and see it cited. Sure it's fine to look up a world capital or something but :unsure:

scoobs
05-29-2006, 12:55 AM
:topic: Please take no offense, but using wikipedia and trusting what's on there is just as bad as people not learning geography in school and whatnot :p it really scares me that anyone and their brother could put up pretty much whatever they want on wikipedia and people will not only use it and believe it but I've actually seen scholarly publications that are citing to wikipedia for their factual statements! :eek: The amount of factual errors I myself have seen on that site is unnerving and it's shocking to open a professional work and see it cited. Sure it's fine to look up a world capital or something but :unsure:
Heh - I take your point - especially when US Senators pay people to update their own wiki entries to sanitise them a bit, eh? :)

Still, you're right about wikis - useful to some degree but take with a pinch of salt.

Plenty of more official sources on the net for fact-checking anyway.

alelysafina
05-29-2006, 12:57 AM
Here's something I don't know however, that might, maybe explain Justin's mistake. What is the national language of Belarus? Is it russuan? Just curious. I mean maybe Justin has seen/heard Max hanging out with alot of other Russian or Ex-Soivet Rupublic players and they were all speaking Russian together, therefore he lumped them in as Russian. Still a bit stupid on his part, but hey, I never thought he was an Einstein anyway.

Im pretty sure th official language of Belarus is Belarusian... just checked it... yup.

Deboogle!.
05-29-2006, 12:57 AM
Heh - I take your point - especially when US Senators pay people to update their own wiki entries to sanitise them a bit, eh? :)And the US Congressmen who "battle" with each other by putting up nasty stuff :unsure:

Sorry to make you the subject of my rant, I've been needing to get it off my chest for a while :haha: I feel much better now :lol:

Haute
05-29-2006, 01:11 AM
I wouldn't call Justin a dumbass for this, but he still is a dumbass nonetheless. ;)

llama
05-29-2006, 01:14 AM
Because each North American state is as important as an European country, right?

The continent of North America is divided into three distinctive countries. There are no "North American" states in my country - I can't speak for Mexico.

Lee
05-29-2006, 01:26 AM
Give the US Americans a break. It's not that easy to remember all those countries after USSR fell into pieces. And just learning all the 50 states and their capitals are not that easy. I just did it with my son who's in 4th grade.







And since US Americans hardly know how many provinces and territories in their northern neighbour, I don't know how they know all the countries in Europe :tape:

Haute
05-29-2006, 01:28 AM
That's really not making us look any better, that we don't know our own states...

tennis_freak67
05-29-2006, 01:29 AM
And since US Americans hardly know how many provinces and territories in their northern neighbour, I don't know how they know all the countries in Europe :tape:


From my 4 years in Miami, I can tell you that most of the US Americans I hung out with/knew had more knowledge about Europe than Canada.

shotgun
05-29-2006, 01:31 AM
The continent of North America is divided into three distinctive countries. There are no "North American" states in my country - I can't speak for Mexico.

And how do you call a person born in the U.S.A.?

tennis lover
05-29-2006, 01:41 AM
It was just a mistake, we all make them! And I don't think Americans are any worse at geography than any other country, it all depends on the person and the school they went to. I don't know where every country in the world is unfortunately, although I'm not as clueless as some people, but at my school I never learnt countries and their capitals, I just learnt about earthquakes and things like that. :rolleyes:

And if you think Justin's mistake is bad, you should know that one of my friends thought that Argentina was a city in Italy! :o I couldn't believe what I was hearing when she said that to me. :lol:

tennisace
05-29-2006, 01:45 AM
Mexico has states. And I know all the provinces and territories in Canada, too. I think I could pick out most countries on a world map, but I think even I would have trouble with some of the countries that broke off from the old Soviet Union. I can name most of them but picking them out a map could be tricky. Belarus though is not a tough one. Some one should have caught that error.

alelysafina
05-29-2006, 01:48 AM
You know that the official name for Mexico is Los Estados Unidos Mexicanos or The United States of Mexico

Lee
05-29-2006, 01:50 AM
Mexico has states. And I know all the provinces and territories in Canada, too.

Wow, I have hard time remembering the newest territory myself. :tape:

shotgun
05-29-2006, 01:57 AM
Gringos. :devil:

lol

Haute
05-29-2006, 02:03 AM
Wow, I have hard time remembering the newest territory myself. :tape:

Canada has a new province? :confused:

Haute
05-29-2006, 02:04 AM
Gringos. :devil:

I was wondering how long it would take someone to finally say that. :rolleyes:

R.Federer
05-29-2006, 02:30 AM
You can blame ATP for this.
Here is the transcript on the FO official pg:


Were you surprised by Hartfield's level of play?
I hadn't heard of him so I didn't know what to expect, a little like when I played Istomin in the first round of the Australian Open.

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/articles/2006-05-28/200605281148820916800.html

llama
05-29-2006, 03:11 AM
And how do you call a person born in the U.S.A.?

A person born in the USA is a citizen of the United States of America.

llama
05-29-2006, 03:12 AM
Canada has a new province? :confused:

No, we have a new Territory - Nunavut.

LoveFifteen
05-29-2006, 04:00 AM
Holy shit, go easy on Justin G. It's not that big of a mistake. I'm the biggest fan of geography ever. I used to look at maps all the time when I was a kid and I memorized every country and capital. One summer I was a camp counselor for Belorussian children (in Germany, of all places), and when I spoke with my parents about the kids, sometimes I would call them Belorussian, and sometimes I would just absent-mindedly call them Russian ...

Anyway ...

superpinkone37
05-29-2006, 05:01 AM
How is Justin a "dumbass" just for making a little mistake like that?

Everyone's argument is about lack of knowledge of geography...but I'm willing to bet Justin knows that Max is Belarussian...it's a simple mistake to type out Russian instead of Belarussian in a hurry or whatever. Seriously, it's not that big of a deal.

dkw
05-29-2006, 05:04 AM
The reason JG looks like a dumbass has nothing to do with him having or lacking in depth knowledge of geography. He comes off as an idiot/poser becasue he's writing a blog about tennis and tennis players, he's suppose to be "the man inside" yet he doesn't have basic knowledge about his hitting partner AND has the gall to mention him in his blog... I mean SI might as well just get Vinny Ice to do this job.

Eclectic Goddess
05-29-2006, 05:05 AM
Okay, I concede that it might have seemed harsh to call Gimelstob a dumbass just because of he made the kind of a mistake that even a professional journalist might have made. (If he was a sloppy, incompetent journalist with no copy editor or proofreader.)

So, to clarify, I was calling him a dumbass because, as annoying as it was, I wasn’t surprised at all to find that mistake in the very first line of his column. I know that SI was probably thinking how great it would be to have an active player write for them, but they picked the wrong guy. He’s just a bad writer. Most of his “blogs” don’t seem to have a point. They don’t offer anything new or insightful or even entertaining. In the beginning, I thought he’d at least stir up some controversy, with his comparisons between the female players and the model wives and girlfriends of the male players, and his admonition, “If you resemble a beached whale, keep your gear on.” Since then, it’s gone downhill fast, and the most his newer columns have provoked (up until I got annoyed with his inability to do a simple fact check) are yawns of boredom. And yet, this is a guy who says, “I’ve written articulate, important, and interesting articles.”

Guess what, Justin. You don’t get to decide that your own work is important. As for the articulate and interesting parts...I miss have fallen asleep before I got to them.

So, would it help if I changed the title of the thread to "SI.com needs to find a new tennis blogger already?"

Eclectic Goddess
05-29-2006, 05:10 AM
The reason JG looks like a dumbass has nothing to do with him having or lacking in depth knowledge of geography. He comes off as an idiot/poser becasue he's writing a blog about tennis and tennis players, he's suppose to be "the man inside" yet he doesn't have basic knowledge about his hitting partner AND has the gall to mention him in his blog... I mean SI might as well just get Vinny Ice to do this job.
You know, after all that, I think you said it better that I did!

Purple Rainbow
05-29-2006, 07:23 AM
When I was six or seven years old I could probably have told you the capital of Burkina Faso, but my geographic knowledge has sadly slipped since then.

I've got a sneaking suspicion the country was still called Uppervolta when you were 6 or 7 years old. :p
Anyway, twas and still is Ouagadougou!

Nathaliia
05-29-2006, 08:36 AM
So, would it help if I changed the title of the thread to "SI.com needs to find a new tennis blogger already?"
It wouldn't help, because people would write "Tursunov" and the thread would stop to be controversial.

Nathaliia
05-29-2006, 08:44 AM
I've got a sneaking suspicion the country was still called Uppervolta when you were 6 or 7 years old. :p
Anyway, twas and still is Ouagadougou!
Upper Volta :lol: The name was changed in the 1980's I believe :scratch: My favourite African country has always been Ethiopia :devil: and I've never got Haile Selassie and Haile Gebreselassie confused.

And as about general geographical education of people (no relating to tennis), illiterates and ignorants are found in every nation and it's hard to forget when my penpal from UK asked me if it's true that polar bears walk through streets of Poland even in summer. To remove the doubts: only if they escape from the ZOO.

Action Jackson
05-29-2006, 08:50 AM
I've got a sneaking suspicion the country was still called Uppervolta when you were 6 or 7 years old. :p
Anyway, twas and still is Ouagadougou!

That sneaking suspicion is correct.

Purple Rainbow
05-29-2006, 08:56 AM
That sneaking suspicion is correct.

You know Sjengsters age? :eek:

Oh, and in Holland, we had a tv show once, where they asked people on holiday to point the place they currently were on a map. Most of the time it was done in a Spanish beach resort, Torremolinos or something.
The amount of people who looked like they had never seen a map of Europe before was shocking.. They were the same people who were allowed to vote in a referendum for a European constitution. It's like asking street sweepers to vote on how a neurologist should perform brain surgery... But I am drifting off here.
In conclusion, there are plenty of ignorant people in the world. Don't feel bad about it, it will only make you smarter by comparison!

_pyromatic
05-29-2006, 09:52 AM
As someone currently enrolled in the American public school system, I'd be impressed if someone actually knew what Belarus was. I've attended very good schools all of my life yet I've never heard most countries outside of North America and Western Europe mentioned in a classroom. Apparently they're not important. :rolleyes:

Fee
05-30-2006, 04:52 AM
You think Gimelstob would double check his work before he turned it in. Thanks Justin for making Americans look stupid once again :o

You would think that, and in certain circumstances you would be wrong. I have seen some of his rough drafts, and I know that there are times when he is in a rush, or using the internet connection on site because his hotel connection sucks, and he sends his column off to SI knowing that it needs work, and asking them to take care of it. I also know that Justin has written nearly perfect columns that SI has subsequently screwed up somewhere in the process of putting the content onto the website. During the AO they stated that he was playing Mixed doubles with Ashley Fisher (I think that mistake is still on there) and I know JG asked them to fix it after I brought it to his attention. Regular readers of SI.com know that proofreading is not necessarily their first concern. If they are more concerned about the timeliness of his blogs because this is a slam, they may be letting some things slide by. I wouldn't be surprised if he stated that Max was Belarussian, and some idiot editor 'fixed' it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Justin originally wrote that Max was Russian and no one caught it either. He's a very smart guy, but sometimes the details are lost on him.

FYI: SI.com orignally asked him to do the blog last summer, during Wimbledon, most likely as a result of the interviews he gave there. Their idea wasn't to have a 'tennis player' do a column, it was to have Justin specifically.

Bias alert: he is a dear friend and I love him like a brother. :)

vogus
05-30-2006, 02:23 PM
And since US Americans hardly know how many provinces and territories in their northern neighbour, I don't know how they know all the countries in Europe :tape:




when asked the question, "which is the northernmost US state, Alaska or Canada?", 42 percent of US Americans answered Canada.

Experimentee
05-30-2006, 02:48 PM
Its not that big a mistake considering Belarus used to be part of Russia anyway. Its like a lot of people still say Czechoslovakia when they've split up.

Its still a mistake but nothing to make a huge deal over :o

scoobs
05-31-2006, 12:04 AM
Burkina Faso = land of the wise men :)

amarantha
05-31-2006, 07:09 PM
Well as a teacher in another "big" country, China, I can tell you that USA might not be the only country having problems with geography! My Chinese geography is better than my students'! One day we were playing the 20 questions game, basically a student had to answer the questions by yes or no. The question was what is your favorite place in China? So we asked: Is it in the north of China? she replied yes and then we told as many northern places we could think of and after 5 min she revealed her fav place which was in the south of China!!! Only 2000 miles of difference... My students can't also name the countries bording China... Oh and did you know that Denmark was the capital of Poland according to one of my students?
I think that it depends on the people some are interested in geography and others aren't...

Rosa Luxembourg
05-31-2006, 07:40 PM
dumb thread, Do europeans know where Roddick and Blake are from and would you fault them for saying they are from LA and Chicago?
Get real :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Idiotic post.

For your information, Belarus is an independent country. :rolleyes:

DrJules
05-31-2006, 08:14 PM
Seriously, how did he convince SportsIllustrated.com to give him his own column? I can only think that there must have been some form of blackmail involved.

From his latest "blog":

If players are going to start playing as journalists they should check their facts. It is easier now than ever before to check them - ATP website. :shrug:

Fee
06-01-2006, 01:08 AM
Well, I don't know that Justin considers himself a 'journalist' as much as a 'columnist' but he should do a better job of checking his columns and not trusting SI to do it for him (they don't know anything about tennis).

Anyway, I asked him about this particular mistake. He said he knew better, he just had a bit of a 'duh' moment and wrote Russian instead of Belarussian. His next column he mentioned 'the last four RG champions' when he clearly meant 'the last 4 champions that are in the draw'. These columns seem rushed and he needs to work on that (but he kinds of speaks the same way, so it doesn't really surprise me).

switz
06-01-2006, 01:34 AM
i don't disagree that Gimelstob is annoying and not well informed but this is a bit petty. Although they are seperate sovereign nations they are closely aligned and it's not such a crime to get them mixed up.

tangerine_dream
06-01-2006, 07:08 PM
And how do you call a person born in the U.S.A.?
Gringos. :devil:
Awesome. Does this mean that I'm allowed to call you a beaner, coackroach, and/or wetback?

Rosa Luxembourg
06-03-2006, 11:47 AM
i don't disagree that Gimelstob is annoying and not well informed but this is a bit petty. Although they are seperate sovereign nations they are closely aligned and it's not such a crime to get them mixed up.


so it's ok to mix up Switzerland and Austria, USA and Canada?

Vass
06-03-2006, 12:33 PM
And how do you call a person born in the U.S.A.?
American of United States

You know people, i think that as much as we'd all like educational systems to teach us everything there is to know, the person has to have a wide range of interests himself and learn a lot himself. At least that's the only way that i'd call someone "educated", that is, only if in a conversation a person does not mix up too many general knowledge facts.
I'll not judge Gimelstob from just one mistake, but he does have one negative point now.

Kristen
06-03-2006, 01:29 PM
This is hilarious! I read an article recently which called Max Bulgarian. Then there was the one claiming Alex Popp was in qualifying (which I not-so-secretly enjoyed). The dumber the better, but unfortunately it was a slip of the tongue/keyboard I imagine. I'm impressed that this thread is doing so well :D

dmit424
06-03-2006, 02:31 PM
Eh no biggie. It's like calling Roddick British. :)

Well I guess that would be kinda bad, but then again, the USSR breakup was reletively recent, so it's not as bad... Although I imagine a Belurisian might find it very offensive, knowing the actual history and all.