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Diego Hartfield - Top 5?

tennis_freak67
05-28-2006, 01:44 PM
He got 13 games off Federer, while Federer won 20. Therefore Hartfield is 65% as good as Federer. Federer has 7010 rankings points, 65% of 7010 is is 4556. So Hartfield is really number two in the world.

jazz_girl
05-28-2006, 01:45 PM
:lol:

NicoFan
05-28-2006, 01:47 PM
:lol:

I only got to watch a part of the match on live stream, but looking forward to seeing it on tape delay this afternoon.

Diego showed heart. :yeah:

I'll be watching him to see how he does in the upcoming months. Hopefully his performance today will give him confidence, and he can use it to move up the rankings.

Björki
05-28-2006, 01:48 PM
:haha:

Horatio Caine
05-28-2006, 01:49 PM
Oh man :haha: :haha:

He'll probably never touch top 50

peacechick
05-28-2006, 01:51 PM
that's a funny way of calculating someone's potential :haha:
But I was really impressed by Diego :worship:

Action Jackson
05-28-2006, 01:52 PM
He will be there by the end of 2007 at the latest.

Björki
05-28-2006, 01:52 PM
he played a great match for sure :worship:

Lala186
05-28-2006, 01:54 PM
he played great today

scoobs
05-28-2006, 01:55 PM
He has a good game on him.

needs to learn to handle the pressure points better but that often comes with a bit of experience - still an impressive debut on the world stage at this level.

He should make at least top 50 and could go a fair bit higher if the execution catches up with the excellent shot selection and strategy, especially at those tense moments.

JMG
05-28-2006, 02:06 PM
The commentator said he could play for Austria. Did he ever talked about this possibility?

yanchr
05-28-2006, 02:06 PM
:lol:

This guy played great today :yeah: Roger didn't play too bad :p

Lala186
05-28-2006, 02:12 PM
The commentator said he could play for Austria. Did he ever talked about this possibility?
he has german and italian(like most of argentine people) roots

But he is Argentine , he doesn´t come from Austria

http://www.stevegtennis.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1491&sid=b17660812ce9ddaef91b3b5811faf154

almouchie
05-28-2006, 02:16 PM
what a nice interpretation of the stats
dieog hartfield is in the early 2oo
but a good showing in qualies reaching main draw
can help his confidence & by the end of the clay season can reach 100+
he has potential

almouchie
05-28-2006, 02:23 PM
they said he has an austrian passport
& thou argentinain
may play davis for austria

Action Jackson
05-28-2006, 02:28 PM
Austrian passport which makes it easier to travel and he has a British last name. Nalbandian travels around on an Italian passport, but still plays for Argentina.

Kristen
05-28-2006, 02:29 PM
Fantastic work by Diego tonight.
The guy is a looker. And now I feel like a dirty old lady because I don't know his age :o

Any (more) pics?

Action Jackson
05-28-2006, 02:32 PM
Fantastic work by Diego tonight.
The guy is a looker. And now I feel like a dirty old lady because I don't know his age :o

Any (more) pics?

He is 25.

http://www.ole.clarin.com/diario/2005/11/27/fotos/f033fh02.jpg

avocadoe
05-28-2006, 02:32 PM
Diego is a handsome guy, and played well. He is 25 though, born 1981.

Lala186
05-28-2006, 02:32 PM
Gaudio also has an italian passport

Nalbandian has one I.P, because of his mother

Kristen
05-28-2006, 02:33 PM
Thanks for putting my mind at ease GWH + avocadoe :lol: :hug:

Lala186
05-28-2006, 02:33 PM
Diego Hartfield (ARG)

Birthdate: 31-Jan-81

Scotso
05-28-2006, 02:38 PM
He is cute.

He's done well in challengers this year. Too bad he drew Federer 1r.

1sun
05-28-2006, 03:04 PM
Lies, damn lies and statistics.

Phunkadelicious
05-28-2006, 04:42 PM
Diego :hearts:

NyGeL
05-28-2006, 04:50 PM
He is cute.

He's done well in challengers this year. Too bad he drew Federer 1r.

don't think is bad. He may play better now.

foul_dwimmerlaik
05-28-2006, 08:35 PM
I don't think Diego is anywhere near top 5 material - his shots were so-so especially his forehand. But he fought hard - something that he definitely shold be given credit for. Mostly, he just wasn't afraid to win when he could (not in the tie-break though). In the end he was just outclassed, badly. Congrads to him, good fight.

PS. He reminded me of that Japaneze guy - Suzuki was his name? - at the last years AO. No match for Fed technically, but refused to bend over. Some top players should take lessons from them.

ChloeLove
05-29-2006, 01:38 AM
Well, that little statistic you made up doesn't really work. Other players, such as Nadal, and the other odd players who have beat Federer have actually won more sets than him. So would that make them no.1? I don't think so.

However, you do have to give mad props to this guy. I expected him to be blown out of the water, first time out of challengers, and his 1st draw is Federer. It's bad luck, but it's made him a better player. I hope to see him do something later this year, or next year. He faired a lot better than many top 20 players would've against Federer.

Phunkadelicious
05-29-2006, 01:46 AM
Well, that little statistic you made up doesn't really work. Other players, such as Nadal, and the other odd players who have beat Federer have actually won more sets than him. So would that make them no.1? I don't think so.


I may be wrong here, but I think Trey was, umm, kidding.

tennis_freak67
05-29-2006, 01:48 AM
I may be wrong here, but I think Trey was, umm, kidding.

Yeah, I think so too. :scratch:

:lol:

Phunkadelicious
05-29-2006, 01:52 AM
Yeah, I think so too. :scratch:

:lol:
We'll just have to find out from Trey himself.

Trey, were you kidding?

jole
05-29-2006, 01:55 AM
We'll just have to find out from Trey himself.

Trey, were you kidding?

Despite losing this weekend in the first round of the Ettlingen Challenger quallies to Lukas Rosol 6-4 6-0, Ivo Minar took 16 games from Federer in 2005 Dubai while Roger won 19 games.

This makes Ivo like easily TOP FIVE furreal!!!

tennis_freak67
05-29-2006, 01:57 AM
Despite losing this weekend in the first round of the Ettlingen Challenger quallies to Lukas Rosol 6-4 6-0, Ivo Minar took 16 games from Federer in 2005 Dubai while Roger won 19 games.

This makes Ivo like easily TOP FIVE furreal!!!

No doubt, the rankings are just screwed up.

We'll just have to find out from Trey himself.

Trey, were you kidding?

No, I was dead serious, I swear. :p

ChloeLove
05-29-2006, 02:03 AM
I may be wrong here, but I think Trey was, umm, kidding.Oh . . . :lol: Well that went right over my head :rolleyes:

admiralpye
05-29-2006, 06:00 AM
I don't think Diego is anywhere near top 5 material - his shots were so-so especially his forehand. But he fought hard - something that he definitely shold be given credit for. Mostly, he just wasn't afraid to win when he could (not in the tie-break though). In the end he was just outclassed, badly. Congrads to him, good fight.

PS. He reminded me of that Japaneze guy - Suzuki was his name? - at the last years AO. No match for Fed technically, but refused to bend over. Some top players should take lessons from them.

One advantage he has, I noticed, is that he moves really well. Not just in terms of speed, but hes light-footed and agile almost in the way that Federer is. And although he has to work more on his net game, he's obviously not afraid or hesitant to come in.

He also fires well from both wings, places the ball well, and has great timing (taking the ball early many times), which makes up for his lack of power at times. The never-say-die attitude also helps. I think it's only a question of consistency and stamina for me.

From my observation, players in the top 100 usually don't necessarily have a big advantage over each other skill-wise. It comes down to their attitude and mental strength, mostly. And stamina during competition.

mangoes
05-29-2006, 02:17 PM
I certainly hope to see more of him. He played a good match today and, from his interview, has a really nice personality. Good luck to him..................

Deea
05-29-2006, 02:40 PM
I was impressed by Diego too! He played a great match! I hope we'll get to see him more often! ;)

lorenz
05-29-2006, 02:47 PM
Great Macht Diego!!!

Congratulations !!!!

Clara Bow
05-29-2006, 03:37 PM
He should make at least top 50 and could go a fair bit higher if the execution catches up with the excellent shot selection and strategy, especially at those tense moments.

Brad Gilbert was praising Diego to high heavens after the match and saying that he will be top 50. BG does veer towards hyperbole at times, but if Diego played more at the level he did yesterday- he certainly seems to have the ability to be top 50.

My worry is his age- seems late to suddenly come into the pro tour and reach top 50. But maybe he is a late (very late) bloomer?

Regardless of where he ends up in terms of ranking or if it is back to challangers from here on out, he did himself very proud yesterday. :)

Nathaliia
05-29-2006, 03:46 PM
And what happened to the bandwagon of Mohamed Al-Ghareeb :confused: :tears:

;)

Nathaliia
05-29-2006, 03:52 PM
Brad Gilbert was praising Diego to high heavens after the match and saying that he will be top 50. BG does veer towards hyperbole at times, but if Diego played more at the level he did yesterday- he certainly seems to have the ability to be top 50.

My worry is his age- seems late to suddenly come into the pro tour and reach top 50. But maybe he is a late (very late) bloomer?

Regardless of where he ends up in terms of ranking or if it is back to challangers from here on out, he did himself very proud yesterday. :)
I guess somebody from Argentina would elaborate better than me, but it's quite easy a lot of talented players have no sponsors, no money for travels, they travel from one futures event to another, defend all the same points each year, finally they happen to get to some challengers, they move slowly, so slowly and sometimes it's just too late to jump that level above, because it's time to think what you'll be doing after the tennis adventure, plus new young guns are coming. Only some are more lucky to get some help from a rich manager (who takes some of your future income) and the money distribution in the federation in Argentina is very, very poor.

Players born in 1983 like Capdeville (he's from Chile, but he qualifies to this group) or Maximo Gonzalez (participated in 2006 RG quallies, lost to JMDP) are kind of ilustrations to the path I gave.

I wonder will it happen to Eduardo Schwank (#2 of juniors ranking not a long time ago!) what happened to player like Brian Dabul from Argentina who was a very good junior (born in 1984) and now playing in futures events and even losing some... This is not cool :shrug: Or will they become second Hartfields at the age of 25-26 when the world hears of them when they draw Federer. There are more talented guys, like Zeballos (born in 1985, currently playing very well in the futures events...), who just didn't have luck to develop a little quicker, like Del Potro did. Or maybe they also had some issues with money. Well, I am not as that deep into Argentinian federation, but maybe somebody would like to write about it.

Action Jackson
07-06-2006, 02:28 PM
Yes, I remember the glory days when Hartfield was destined for the top 5, but that has died down for the moment.

The Baghdatis bandwagon has started up again.

Plastic Bertrand
07-19-2006, 01:39 AM
The long climb to the top 5 has started in Stuttgart.

marti_228
07-19-2006, 01:53 AM
I guess somebody from Argentina would elaborate better than me, but it's quite easy a lot of talented players have no sponsors, no money for travels, they travel from one futures event to another, defend all the same points each year, finally they happen to get to some challengers, they move slowly, so slowly and sometimes it's just too late to jump that level above, because it's time to think what you'll be doing after the tennis adventure, plus new young guns are coming. Only some are more lucky to get some help from a rich manager (who takes some of your future income) and the money distribution in the federation in Argentina is very, very poor.

Players born in 1983 like Capdeville (he's from Chile, but he qualifies to this group) or Maximo Gonzalez (participated in 2006 RG quallies, lost to JMDP) are kind of ilustrations to the path I gave.

I wonder will it happen to Eduardo Schwank (#2 of juniors ranking not a long time ago!) what happened to player like Brian Dabul from Argentina who was a very good junior (born in 1984) and now playing in futures events and even losing some... This is not cool :shrug: Or will they become second Hartfields at the age of 25-26 when the world hears of them when they draw Federer. There are more talented guys, like Zeballos (born in 1985, currently playing very well in the futures events...), who just didn't have luck to develop a little quicker, like Del Potro did. Or maybe they also had some issues with money. Well, I am not as that deep into Argentinian federation, but maybe somebody would like to write about it.

You are completely right.The federation is not so good and also it doesn't help that the economic situation is not the best and that is very expensive to travel continously. But there are a lot of young people who play tennis, maybe in some years(10 or so) we'll have a very good generation but it is necessary that the federation finances the trips or organize a larger future and challenger circuit here and in all Latin America.
I don't understand how is that in the States have lots of tournaments of all levels but still they are not a super tennis coury nowadays.

El Legenda
07-19-2006, 01:56 AM
He got 13 games off Federer, while Federer won 20. Therefore Hartfield is 65% as good as Federer. Federer has 7010 rankings points, 65% of 7010 is is 4556. So Hartfield is really number two in the world.

no.

he won 13 of 33 games= 39%

7010x .39= 2733

# 5 in the world.

:wavey:

sorry if someone already pointed this out...i didnt read the whole thread.

:)

Plastic Bertrand
07-19-2006, 02:01 AM
And what happened to the bandwagon of Mohamed Al-Ghareeb :confused: :tears:

;)

That only comes around during Dubai.

R.Federer
07-19-2006, 02:59 AM
no.

he won 13 of 33 games= 39%

7010x .39= 2733

# 5 in the world.

:wavey:

sorry if someone already pointed this out...i didnt read the whole thread.

:)
no.... the initial "analysis" is correct
he won 39%, and Roger won 61%, of all available games
Therefore he is only 39/61 as good as Roger
It is not a question of how big a pie he took, but how big a pie RELATIVE to Roger's pie he got. Bye bye raf....

Action Jackson
07-19-2006, 03:01 AM
Hartfield will beat Lapentti and then make the quarters, that would be a funny result.

CooCooCachoo
07-19-2006, 07:28 AM
I like Diego, but last week he was pretty bad :o I saw a practice session with Santiago Gonzalez in Scheveningen and the only thing is that Santi was even worse :lol:

His match against Gicquel was good though; match of the tournament I think.

myskina_fan
07-19-2006, 08:06 AM
YEAH, i watched this guy play as well and he's very impressive ... Probably not TOP 5, but TOP 15 for sure :)

El Legenda
07-19-2006, 02:57 PM
no.... the initial "analysis" is correct
he won 39%, and Roger won 61%, of all available games
Therefore he is only 39/61 as good as Roger
It is not a question of how big a pie he took, but how big a pie RELATIVE to Roger's pie he got. Bye bye raf....

thats not how things are done.

R.Federer
07-19-2006, 04:47 PM
thats not how things are done.
Sure it is -- tennis freak is asking how good Hartfield is RELATIVE to Roger (he said 65% AS GOOD).

You miscalculated because you only took into account Hartfield's absolute winnings, what % of the games he won, and not the relative %. But tennis freak wanted to make a comparison with how good he was compared to Roger, and for that you can't get around making the relative comparison. Hence 39/61 ~= 65% and the "analysis" stands

rrfnpump
07-19-2006, 05:59 PM
he saved a match point against Robin Vik
was down a set and a break

but not too impressed with him
Almagro played like shit yesterday

nonetheless, happy for him :)
two great fights

Jule81
07-22-2006, 11:58 AM
i saw diego playing in stuttgart the whole week and he did absolutely great. not only has he played fantastic, he also fought like crazy to win which has been very impressing to me. i´m sure he´s going to be ranked much higher during the next couple of months if he´s able to go on playing like that!

joeb_uk
07-22-2006, 01:51 PM
Loro :D When will he return again?

marti_228
07-22-2006, 02:42 PM
He is playing quallies in Kitzbuhel

Action Jackson
09-13-2006, 04:05 PM
Vamos Diego.

canbera
09-13-2006, 08:57 PM
he plays for a german club and I've seen him lose against someone I've never heard of before.

Action Jackson
11-27-2006, 04:14 AM
The climb to the top 5 starts at the AO in 2007 for Hartfield and he will storm the Latin American clay season and that will be base and soy Diego will win bandwagon player of the year in 2007.

Action Jackson
11-27-2006, 04:32 AM
There is the face of success in 2007.
http://www.copapetrobrasdetenis.com.br/galeria2006/assuncao/17_Diego_Hartfield.jpg

Action Jackson
02-24-2007, 05:51 AM
Diego making the semis in Buenos Aires, well the run to top 5 begins here.

GlennMirnyi
02-24-2007, 06:18 AM
Diego making the semis in Buenos Aires, well the run to top 5 begins here.

You predicted earlier in the thread that it's due by the end of '07. Right on. ;)

Action Jackson
02-24-2007, 06:58 AM
Just a matter of time for Diego.

Action Jackson
04-12-2007, 07:10 AM
El Gato has to play Karlovic now and hope he gets through there and this is the time of the year where the run to the top 5 with gather steam.

ExcaliburII
04-12-2007, 02:09 PM
He has an awful backhand he wont be ever be top 30.

Burrow
04-12-2007, 03:06 PM
:haha:

GlennMirnyi
04-12-2007, 05:19 PM
He has an awful backhand he wont be ever be top 30.

Lalo got to #20. You don't need a backhand to win, sometimes. :p

Burrow
04-12-2007, 06:29 PM
Lopez hits the most terrific top spin backhand in the world, what are you on about?

GlennMirnyi
04-12-2007, 06:35 PM
Lopez hits the most terrific top spin backhand in the world, what are you on about?

:haha:

Agassi Aces
04-12-2007, 07:52 PM
Ridiculous!!!!!

Action Jackson
07-25-2007, 05:22 PM
Hartfield after defeating the King is on the way to the Top 5, just a matter of time.

Horatio Caine
07-25-2007, 05:26 PM
Lopez hits the most terrific top spin backhand in the world, what are you on about?

If tennis had a tourist guidebook, Lalo's backhand would feature among the world's top 3 sights that you just have to visit. Other top sights would include any Koellerer match, Koubek's wardrobe and the inside of one of Dave's rally cars. :cool:

Burrow
07-25-2007, 05:27 PM
where is tennis freak now, he hasnt posted for a year :sad:

Action Jackson
07-25-2007, 05:30 PM
Lopez hits the most terrific top spin backhand in the world, what are you on about?

You know the scary thing? That backhand is becoming better.

Burrow
07-25-2007, 05:56 PM
well of course, do you think it can get any worse? the old guys at my local club playing doubles can hit more vicious topspin with a freakin HEAD titanium S.6 :o

Action Jackson
07-25-2007, 06:07 PM
It can always get worse.

Action Jackson
09-07-2009, 02:34 AM
If tennis had a tourist guidebook, Lalo's backhand would feature among the world's top 3 sights that you just have to visit. Other top sights would include any Koellerer match, Koubek's wardrobe and the inside of one of Dave's rally cars. :cool:

Hahahaha

After being out of the game for 7 months due to knee ligament damage, the rise to the top 5 starts with a comeback in the Argentina F14.

dijus
09-07-2009, 02:37 AM
lovely bump, GWH

Action Jackson
12-06-2010, 11:19 PM
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