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Rios accuses Andre of drug use?

Dirk
01-13-2004, 04:32 AM
According to a South American tennis friend, the papers have been buzzing with Rios' accusation that Agassi ran out of the stadium during last year's Australian Open to avoid a mandatory urine test. Rios has accused Agassi of steroid use and tennis officials of favoritism. Although it is important to consider the source this story definitely raises questions that need to be answered. As an expert in a closely related field, this accusation makes me wonder about Agassi's change in physique and fitness level and loss of hair over the past few years. He also has a home in the Bay Area and a designated fitness expert and guru like Bonds and Giambi.

This was the post on some AOL board. Could someone from South America tell me if it is true that papers down there have been reporting Rios's claim?

Fedex
01-13-2004, 04:35 AM
Its a lie!!!! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :mad: :mad:

MisterQ
01-13-2004, 04:38 AM
What is Rios' problem with Andre? He's made several jabs at him in his career.

It's interesting that Andre was just asked about this issue in his Kooyong press conference (because of Rusedski) and discussed it at length.

I cannot know, of course, if Andre uses these substances, but he really strikes me as someone who has too much integrity to cheat. I hope so, because it would be a disaster for his legacy and crushing for his fans if he did.

Deboogle!.
01-13-2004, 04:39 AM
ummmmm I hope this is not true, on both accounts.

Lisbeth
01-13-2004, 04:40 AM
Oh what a surprise, Rios is usually known to be such a pleasant and generous person ;). We should believe everything he says.

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 04:40 AM
I wouldn't be surprised, then again with the drug use in sport that isn't surprising.

Then again cocaine is supposed to be a performing enchancing drug, and there are plenty of players on the tour guilty of using the Charlie.

Lisbeth
01-13-2004, 04:42 AM
The one that always amuses me is when athletes get suspended for cannabis ... which is performance enhancing how exactly?!

Dirk
01-13-2004, 04:43 AM
I just wanted to know if it is true so could someone from South America reply if the papers were reporting it? I do doubt it. I just want Rios to be healthy and not making false accusations. This would hurt him when he comes back.

Lisbeth
01-13-2004, 04:44 AM
I'd also like to say (with apologies to an Aussie comedian who made the same comment about an accusation that Hewitt might be juiced):

If Andre is on steroids then they're pretty crap steroids.

Plus, he's had 2 kids in about 2 years. Unlikely in a long term user.

Dirk
01-13-2004, 04:45 AM
Yeah George like Mats was caught at RG 95 with it in his blood and denied it like a :dog:

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 04:48 AM
Actually it goes back further than that Dirk. I know that Rios doesn't mind a bit of snow occasionally.

Dirk
01-13-2004, 04:50 AM
Oh how do you know that George? How could rios pass tests if he was doing coke? I sure hope some south american fan replies to this soon.

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 04:51 AM
Originally Posted by Number1Kim
If Andre is on steroids then they're pretty crap steroids.

It depends on what type of steroids they're taking and when they are taking them. They can be used to get over injuries quicker, or like Stanazol that strips away body fat and gets a person lean.

I mean when Korda got caught the sales of nandrolone should have gone down for sure, but they didn't.

Well Dirk if I told you how I knew, I would have to kill you. It's known that Rios doesn't mind the nasal candy.

Fedex
01-13-2004, 04:51 AM
For one thing Agassi shaves his head. Its not bald that I know of. So thats false proof right there. Andre's a very classy guy & one of my all time favorites, so it hurts that someone would say this! :sad:

CooCooCachoo
01-13-2004, 04:52 AM
Oh what a surprise, Rios is usually known to be such a pleasant and generous person . We should believe everything he says.

I totally agree. For me, this is just an effort of Rios to get some limelight, since he hasn't been getting much attention lately, anyway. This just underlines his position as an enfant terrible, and I am sure he's more than pleased with that.

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 04:58 AM
This has been in the south american media, because somebody on another board that I post on has been posting articles in languages other than English about it.

MisterQ
01-13-2004, 05:01 AM
Anyone who has access, I would be interested in seeing one of these articles, even if it's still in Spanish...

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 05:09 AM
Here is an article from one of the Chilean newspapers.

La vuelta de Ríos
Domingo 11 de Enero de 2004
Hugo Marcone

Hugo Marcone

Marcelo Ríos ya casi no juega, pero por lo menos ahora habla.

En su calidad de comentarista radial
- en el programa La Chispa del Deporte de radio Chilena- el tenista critica el sistema de control doping de la ATP, a propósito de los últimos positivos del argentino Mariano Puerta y del inglés Greg Rusedski. Ríos cuestiona el procedimiento por considerarlo discriminatorio, poco transparente y protector de las figuras que, como Andre Agassi, generan riqueza y atraen nuevos negocios.

Tal vez los argumentos de Ríos sean atendibles y los métodos de la ATP sean tendenciosamente selectivos, tal vez su sospecha sea cierta y se escude a quienes hacen muy rentable la empresa. Pero viniendo de Ríos, cuán distinto y valioso habría sido que en lugar de hablar hoy, semi retirado, con la eterna y ya insufrible duda de seguir o largar, físicamente distante del circuito profesional y más lejos aún de la elite que alguna vez lideró, lo hubiera hecho cuando su voz se pudo haber convertido en un referente respetado y un motivo para que, por ejemplo, el sistema de detección de positivos no diera cabida a cuestionamientos internos ni públicos.

Años pasaron lamentándonos que Ríos opinara poco y nada de algo. ¿Para qué? Si lo que tiene que decir lo dice en la cancha, respondían sus defensores. Años se fueron tratando de seguirle la pista para sacarle algo más que lo agotador que eran los viajes; lo rutinaria que se hacía la vida en los hoteles y los aeropuertos; lo competitivo, brutal y poco amistoso que era el circuito; lo ignorante, malintencionado y banal que era el periodismo, y el tremendo sacrificio que había sido su elección de ser tenista profesional. Pero nada: la respuestas siempre
rozaron la superficie.

Ahora que Ríos está circulando por la otra vereda y escupiendo todo lo que quiso almacenar por desconfianza, inmadurez o desinterés, parece que ha abierto la compuerta para entregar su versión de los hechos. Quizás haya muchas y muy buenas historias por escuchar, muchos mundos por descubrir, varios personajes por conocer... o quizás no haya que esperar demasiado, salvo algunas estridencias para recordarnos que todavía esta ahí, presente entre nosotros. Es posible que hoy haya pasado el momento más oportuno para conocer su real visión de las cosas, pero tratándose de Ríos más vale tarde que nunca. A sabiendas que si ya no hace noticia por exprimir ese tremendo talento que regaló en las canchas, ahora lo hace contando todo lo que se guardó para cuando la raqueta fuera un adorno.

MisterQ
01-13-2004, 05:11 AM
gracias George

Dirk
01-13-2004, 05:43 AM
well let's see what becomes of this and george can you reply to my pm?

undomiele
01-13-2004, 07:36 AM
oh Ive read some of the media on this. You guys have most of it wrong. Rios came out on Chilean radio saying that the ATP plays favorites when it comes to its most popular players (NOT that Agassi took drugs) and that when it comes to players like Agassi and Sampras, etc, guys who have buttressed the sport, the ATP never publicly discloses their drug tests while opting to publicly disclose those of the "lesser" players. He says that if Agassi had tested positive for nandrolene (a drug thats more common than you think) the ATP would never think to disclose it for economic reasons. Such a scandal would be too big for them to handle.

Its important to point out that Rios here never accuses Agassi or Sampras of taking drugs, but rather that the ATP goes to large efforts in protecting their reputations over others. He says no one has any way of knowing if whether or not the atp actually tests agassi or gives out the right results --there's no secondary independent body to certify such results along with the results published by the atp.

In other words, he and "the other south americans" [his words] have long speculated that the atp plays favorites when it comes to drug testing and accuses the atp of just being a little too sketchy in its public disclosures. He says the process should be more transparent.

Hope my explanation helps. :)

trixy
01-13-2004, 07:51 AM
Well if thats what Rios actually said unomiele i would hate say it but i probably agree with him. The atp would never want one of their star players which promote the sport so much to have any taint of drugs near them but they dont minded naming lesser known players because at least then it looks like they are doing something about the drugs problem.

NOTE: I'm not accusing any of the top players of taking drugs.

undomiele
01-13-2004, 08:23 AM
Heres a babelfish translaction of an article I found (I cleaned a lot of it up):

Scandal in Tennis

Rios thinks that the ATP protects Agassi of doping "I know that if nandrolona were found on Agassi, they would not disclose it. He is a very prominent, very popular player and if he were to fall, the world of tennis would fall with him. The ATP would not say it. They are such a large dependent organization that it would be a problem if Agassi or Sampras tested positive", attacked the Chilean, ex- Nº1 of the world. The Marcelo Chilean Rios, ex- Nº1 of the world, accused the organization of the ATP of never openly disclosing certified drug tests on Andre Agassi. When commenting on the situation of dopajes of the Argentinean Mariano Puerta and, specifically, of the Englishman Greg Rusedski, whom respectively tested positive of clenbuterol and nandrolona, the Chilean not only lamented the incidents but accused the ATP of favortism. In his third radial commentary since the 2 of January on the microphones of Chilean Radio, Rios directly blamed the Association of Professional Tennis players (ATP) of not wanting to surface similar cases of doping of the more famous players, focusing instead on the "lesser" players of the tour. "[We]the South Americans have discussed it repeatedly. It is a complicated subject. I do not have problem in saying it: we always said (we asked ourselves) who publicly certifies the doping tests of Agassi or Sampras ?". The Chilean left-handed person remembered a case in Australia 2002 "where there was a control and Agassi disappeared, saying that they were going to kidnap his son..."

"I would love to be able to see and certify Agassi's doping tests because now I currently have no idea who is doing the test, and who decides who gets it and who doesn't."

"I know that if they were to find nandrolona on Agassi, they wouldnt say it to anybody. It would taint his reputation and bring tennis down dramatically. ATP would not say it. It is such a large organization that it would be a problem if Agassi tested positive ", he charged. The newspaper La Tercera consulted the ATP, in Pontevedra, Florida, and obtained an answer by them stating that "the procedures are very basic and clearly are specified for everybody on our website (www.atptennis.com) and it publicly states how many times controls to the players have been performed". "We do not have favorites nor do we hold something against the South Americans", said Greg Sharko, director of Communications of the ATP. In the offices of Agassi Enterprises, in Las Vegas, they avoided making any commentary until Perry Rogers, representative of the tennis player, returns from a business trip in Los Angeles.

According to the statistics of the ATP, during 2002 1,428 controls were made and amongst the most frequently tested players of that year, the Russian Marat Safin, the Argentinean Juan Ignacio Chela, the Czech Jim Novak, the Swiss Roger Federer and the Swedish Jonas Bjorkman, appeared with ten controls each.

undomiele
01-13-2004, 08:34 AM
Well if thats what Rios actually said unomiele i would hate say it but i probably agree with him. The atp would never want one of their star players which promote the sport so much to have any taint of drugs near them but they dont minded naming lesser known players because at least then it looks like they are doing something about the drugs problem.

NOTE: I'm not accusing any of the top players of taking drugs.

Yeah, I think Rios makes sense here --not to say it actually happens-- but that the players should talk about it makes me think that there should definitely be an independent parallel organization that tests the players. The ATP certainly can possess a lot of control and discretion over who gets "caught" and who doesn't. It is sad to think of it but it does seem rather strange to me that none of the top players ever got nailed for this. I mean Boris Becker was a self-confessed rabid pill popper and a bit of a coke head... how'd he get by the controls? :confused:

Its all pretty sketchy and the ATP should be made to answer for some of these accusations and make the process more transparent.

J. Corwin
01-13-2004, 10:04 AM
Thanks Undomiele, for clearing this issue up. What he claimed in this article is nothing near to accusing Agassi of drug abuse.

WyverN
01-13-2004, 10:22 AM
Rios is a dickhead............and i came to that conclusion a long time ago :)

star
01-13-2004, 11:50 AM
According to a South American tennis friend, the papers have been buzzing with Rios' accusation that Agassi ran out of the stadium during last year's Australian Open to avoid a mandatory urine test. Rios has accused Agassi of steroid use and tennis officials of favoritism. Although it is important to consider the source this story definitely raises questions that need to be answered. As an expert in a closely related field, this accusation makes me wonder about Agassi's change in physique and fitness level and loss of hair over the past few years. He also has a home in the Bay Area and a designated fitness expert and guru like Bonds and Giambi.

This was the post on some AOL board. Could someone from South America tell me if it is true that papers down there have been reporting Rios's claim?

Hasn't the idea that Andre might have used or still does use drugs crossed just about everyone's mind when he hooked up with Reyes and started to bulk up and put on muscle mass? I think everyone who has a background in the field raised an eyebrow, but that, I think, is just something you keep to yourself because it might be right or it might be wrong.

There are plenty of players that I wonder about, but I don't know anything for sure so I would only say something to someone I know very well just because that sort of gossip is hurtful. I'm sure the players (and others on the tour) speculate about these things too.

star
01-13-2004, 11:57 AM
I'd also like to say (with apologies to an Aussie comedian who made the same comment about an accusation that Hewitt might be juiced):

If Andre is on steroids then they're pretty crap steroids.

Plus, he's had 2 kids in about 2 years. Unlikely in a long term user.

Plenty of steroid users have had children. :)

Not saying that Andre does use steroids; but just pointing out that this isn't proof. Steroids aren't used constantly it's a cycle of use and laying off the use. Anyway, the use has become much more sophisticated than it was at one time. Lower levels of the drug are used now. But this is such a hush-hush field that those of us outside the inner circle really only get glimpses of what really happens.

I just say that because we don't know whether anybody does or does not use performance enhancing drugs, we shouldn't speculate.

Courrier way back when he was playing thought EPO was used far more than anyone thought, but no one has ever been accused of taking that drug.

But, I even suspect players that I like of using, so don't think I am just against Agassi.

star
01-13-2004, 12:00 PM
Yeah, I think Rios makes sense here --not to say it actually happens-- but that the players should talk about it makes me think that there should definitely be an independent parallel organization that tests the players. The ATP certainly can possess a lot of control and discretion over who gets "caught" and who doesn't. It is sad to think of it but it does seem rather strange to me that none of the top players ever got nailed for this. I mean Boris Becker was a self-confessed rabid pill popper and a bit of a coke head... how'd he get by the controls? :confused:

Its all pretty sketchy and the ATP should be made to answer for some of these accusations and make the process more transparent.

I also think there should be transparency in the testing process so that the players can have faith in the system. It should be an independent organization from the ATP. And all the tests should be blind.

MisterQ
01-13-2004, 12:02 PM
Hasn't the idea that Andre might have used or still does use drugs ever crossed just about everyone's mind when he hooked up with Reyes and started to bulk up and put on muscle mass? I think everyone who has a background in the field raised an eyebrow, but that, I think, is just something you keep to yourself because it might be right or it might be wrong.

There are plenty of players that I wonder about, but I don't know anything for sure so I would only say something to someone I know very well just because that sort of gossip is hurtful. I'm sure the players (and others on the tour) speculate about these things too.

Hard work can also increase muscle mass, and Andre's training off the court is well-documented.

MisterQ
01-13-2004, 12:09 PM
oh Ive read some of the media on this. You guys have most of it wrong. Rios came out on Chilean radio saying that the ATP plays favorites when it comes to its most popular players (NOT that Agassi took drugs) and that when it comes to players like Agassi and Sampras, etc, guys who have buttressed the sport, the ATP never publicly discloses their drug tests while opting to publicly disclose those of the "lesser" players. He says that if Agassi had tested positive for nandrolene (a drug thats more common than you think) the ATP would never think to disclose it for economic reasons. Such a scandal would be too big for them to handle.

Its important to point out that Rios here never accuses Agassi or Sampras of taking drugs, but rather that the ATP goes to large efforts in protecting their reputations over others. He says no one has any way of knowing if whether or not the atp actually tests agassi or gives out the right results --there's no secondary independent body to certify such results along with the results published by the atp.

In other words, he and "the other south americans" [his words] have long speculated that the atp plays favorites when it comes to drug testing and accuses the atp of just being a little too sketchy in its public disclosures. He says the process should be more transparent.

Hope my explanation helps. :)

THANKS udomiele!!! :)

I was worried that this could blow up into a big problem for Andre. Glad to hear that the direct accusation did not happen. *sigh of relief*

In terms of the process being more transparent, I actually agree with Rios. Disclosing positive tests on a top money-generating player is against the ATP's own interests --- a second independent body might be a good idea.

WyverN
01-13-2004, 12:12 PM
Hard work can also increase muscle mass, and Andre's training off the court is well-documented.

Hard work of course is needed even if you do take steroids. You just get better/faster results if you use supplements.

I have wondered about Andre's improved physique over the years but you could say the same about a lot of players - e.g Moya

star
01-13-2004, 12:13 PM
Hard work can also increase muscle mass, and Andre's training off the court is well-documented.

Yes, it can. But, when using steroids you must also work very hard in the gym as well. The muscles don't appear just because you use steroids. But, once again, I don't know. I just say that the thought has crossed my mind, and I'm sure others have wondered as well. He might or he might not.

That's the sad thing that until very stringent and trustworthy controls are in place, people can only wonder.

Drugs are common in sports. I don't think tennis is exempt.

I just don't let my speculation get in the way of my enjoyment. :)

WyverN
01-13-2004, 12:16 PM
Yes, it can. But, when using steroids you must also work very hard in the gym as well. The muscles don't appear just because you use steroids.



Exactly, if anything the super hard training makes me more suspicious, especially at the age he is in.

MisterQ
01-13-2004, 12:21 PM
I just say that because we don't know whether anybody does or does not use performance enhancing drugs, we shouldn't speculate.


Yet this is precisely what is happening here, n'est-ce pas? ;)

star
01-13-2004, 12:39 PM
Yes. That is the thread topic.

I don't think anyone is exempt from suspicion. I was surprised that people had such a strong reaction that what Rios said was a bunch of nonsence since I thought that almost everyone had wondered at some time or other whether Andre used steroids in his training program.

I think the fans should be a little more aware and a little less confident that their particular favorite hasn't used. Well, I know for sure that one of my favorites has tested positive, so maybe I'm in a different place than others. :)

TennisLurker
01-13-2004, 12:57 PM
Yes, it is true, he also said that Agassi's excuse for avoiding the urine test was that his child was going to be kidnapped.

Experimentee
01-13-2004, 01:04 PM
Rios is a dickhead. He could have just said what he did without mentioning any names like Agassi or Sampras. Now people will be misunderstanding and thinking he accused Andre, like the person quoted in this thread did, and that will only taint his reputation. I dont believe in any kind of speculation unless there is something to back it up. Every player deserves the right to be considered innocent unless proven guilty.

Theres nothing to suggest that Andre has ever used drugs, he has always been made a big public anti drug stance, and its known that he treats his body like a temple, he is so hardworking and would never put anything into his body that would harm it.

WyverN
01-13-2004, 01:10 PM
Yes. That is the thread topic.

I don't think anyone is exempt from suspicion. I was surprised that people had such a strong reaction that what Rios said was a bunch of nonsence since I thought that almost everyone had wondered at some time or other whether Andre used steroids in his training program.


Rios's mistake (if he infact did it) is speculating in public without any evidence. Sounds like sour grapes, sort of like Clijster's Dad accusation of Henin.

Pea
01-13-2004, 01:29 PM
Rios:bounce: Finally someone with the courage! BRAVO, my good man!

michelleg
01-13-2004, 01:47 PM
As I have previously posted, the ATP has the 2002 drug testing statistics for all tour players posted at its website. It shows the tournament/event at which the player was tested, but does not give any results. However, it provides a great framework for some understanding as to the apparent favoritism demonstrated by the ATP.

And until the 2003 statistics are made public, I don't think anyone here can make any inferences without conjecture.

I'm with George on the recreational drug issue. I have no idea how some of the players on the tour have avoided getting busted!

Sjengster
01-13-2004, 02:23 PM
Rios has a worthwhile point, but I get the feeling that he's secretly longing for Agassi to be brought down at the end of his career. If only he'd invested as much energy in his tennis... ah well, to paraphrase Bogart, "We'll always have Miami." 1998, that is, rather than 2002.

RebelNYC
01-13-2004, 02:50 PM
OK, maybe unpopular to say this, but Rios has a point .... I do think that
the Tennis Gods certainly have favoritism to some of the games stars,
which is NOT right...But he does not say here that Andre (my hero)
is on drugs - Andre TOTALLY worked out for that build (but from what
I gather, Andre does shave his head because he was going bald...) but
that's neither here nor there. I HOPE Andre is NOT doing anything
illegal, because I respect him so much....and I don't think he is, tho
nothing anyone does would shock me.

I always supported Rios because of his fascinating personality, I think
sometimes he says things without thinking and of course there is the
fact that translations are just that: translations....But I do think he has
a point here....still, I think I will kick him in the ass this one time!

Sjengster
01-13-2004, 02:56 PM
No matter how much of an ungracious idiot he may be, you've got to love Rios and his comments - as Peter Fleming said some time last year, we have too many nice and well-regarded players on tour, it's good to have someone surly and bad-tempered to balance them out. After that Miami semi a couple of years ago where he had to retire at a set all, he confidently declared in the interview that if he'd been able to play the third he'd have won. No-one else has ever slagged off Agassi as consistently as he, and just for that unique distinction he deserves some acclaim.

tangerine_dream
01-13-2004, 03:14 PM
No-one else has ever slagged off Agassi as consistently as he, and just for that unique distinction he deserves some acclaim.

If it were Agassi slagging off consistently on someone else, you wouldn't be nearly as forgiving.

Also, Agassi has world respect. Something Rios will never attain. :devil:

Sjengster
01-13-2004, 03:18 PM
You know what tangerine? You're probably right. Although it was quite amusing to witness Agassi call Spadea the ultimate journeyman and then promptly get dispatched from the Australian Open by that self-same journeyman. That was Dre's most recent loss at Melbourne Park... happy days will come again, yours and my happy days!

RebelNYC
01-13-2004, 03:27 PM
Rios can be an idiot (actually is one most of the time), but I can't help
but be glad that the tour has some players like him...just to mix it up!
I find him intriguing, even if he is an imbecile (which I agree he is a lot
of the time)....

Sjengster
01-13-2004, 04:07 PM
Woh there tangy, I never said either of them was brave (not normally a word I would associate with Rios), nor did I say that Ljubicic should be praised for his bitching against Roddick. The point is that Rios makes an art of it, he knows that he's being deliberately churlish and hasn't got much of a case to criticise Agassi, but he does it anyway. Ljubicic's comments were just ill-advised.

Don't worry, if Federer starts to falter or his ranking and level of play drops the criticism will come. The Federer bandwagon is gathering steam, but most of it is deserved - for most of 2002 he was getting a tide of criticism from the presenter of the Masters Series on Sky over here for not living up to his potential. One question though: how is it that you can include Federer as one of the "Three Kings" (now that's what I call worshipping a player) if you're the one who keeps sneering at him?

Shy
01-13-2004, 04:23 PM
advised.

The Federer bandwagon is gathering steam, but most of it is deserved - for most of 2002 he was getting a tide of criticism from the presenter of the Masters Series on Sky over here for not living up to his potential.
Well,he got a lots of criticism from most tennis commentators for not living up to his talent in 2002.

Sjengster
01-13-2004, 04:26 PM
I'm sure he did, but I was particularly aware of this bloke's criticism since he was the anchorman for every TMS event that year. Simultaneously he was drooling all over Roddick, although during the summer hardcourt season that was hardly surprising when you consider his form then compared to Federer's.

Ma. Estefania
01-13-2004, 04:57 PM
Well if thats what Rios actually said unomiele i would hate say it but i probably agree with him. The atp would never want one of their star players which promote the sport so much to have any taint of drugs near them but they dont minded naming lesser known players because at least then it looks like they are doing something about the drugs problem.

I completely agree, that's why that when I had just finished reading the short article at the newspaper a couple of days ago, I agreed with Ríos, though I don't specially like him. :o

But yeah, he's got a good point.

undomiele
01-13-2004, 08:47 PM
Rios's mistake (if he infact did it) is speculating in public without any evidence. Sounds like sour grapes, sort of like Clijster's Dad accusation of Henin.


Rios made speculations of Agassi for the sake of argument, whether he wanted to rag on him or not is besides the point. He's just saying how can the ATP assure the fans and the other players that theyre not playing favorites and not protecting the results of the most money-making players?

Hence the need for an independent body to verify the results.
Does this not make sense? Seems to me that some ppl here just want to rag on Rios.... which is fine, he's a controversial figure, but I think the man made a good point.

Leo
01-13-2004, 09:25 PM
Agassi has taken so many drug tests in his career (19 just last year) that it would not have been possible for him to take steroids and not get caught.

Leo
01-13-2004, 09:48 PM
Rios's mistake (if he infact did it) is speculating in public without any evidence. Sounds like sour grapes, sort of like Clijster's Dad accusation of Henin.

Wow, we agree for once! :eek:

tennischick
01-14-2004, 12:14 AM
i just returned from a South American country and i did not read any such news in any of the newspapers. this would have been too big a deal to be ignored IMO.

Ma. Estefania
01-14-2004, 01:31 AM
From where TChick? Argentina? ;)

It was sort of a big deal, I even saw it on my local newspaper (Guayaquil, Ecuador) and I think that in Chile as the "Chino" talks....it's important, you know...

JeLuliA88
01-14-2004, 04:59 AM
Rios is talking absolute rubbish :( i wouldn't be surprised if he was the one taking drugs...

WyverN
01-14-2004, 10:01 AM
Wow, we agree for once! :eek:

I am worried.

Pea
01-14-2004, 02:56 PM
I agree he should've had more evidence to back him, but he does have excellent points.:o

Ace Tracker
01-15-2004, 03:43 AM
great posts, Star, I am surprised at the level of naivete disclosed by some of the fans... Truth is that the ATP's testing policy and divulgation is not transparent, bordering on suspicious, and the fact that so many former top players are coming out with drug usage revelations does not help their cause at all... Of course we, the general public, are kept in the dark and can only summon names without any proof, as if in a futile and evil exercise... But to whoever has the privilege of getting to talk to players, coaches or other insiders, it's interesting to note that Agassi's name has always been mentioned in a "hushed" way, to a much more extension than Pete's for example... Of course that does not prove or say anything, but the lingering sensation among players that the ATP would never out one of its marquee names is very much palpable... I was recently talking to a coach of an ATP player who is ranked in the middle 200's... While celebrating New Year's Eve in his house in Eastern Europe, ATP officials knocked at the door to perform an urine test unannounced... So the Association has strict norms for its unknown, lower ranked players but a very different set of rules for the top ones...hardly surprising, considering that tennis is a business after all...

abraxas21
10-29-2009, 11:45 PM
ríos, what a publicity seeking idiot. he was wrong the whole time!

Mimi
10-30-2009, 02:46 AM
Rios:worship:

Clay Death
10-30-2009, 02:52 AM
Rios:worship:


so the plot thickens. what is next?

Mimi
10-30-2009, 03:00 AM
so the plot thickens. what is next?
Agassi is actually half man, half woman:secret:

Clay Death
10-30-2009, 03:18 AM
Agassi is actually half man, half woman:secret:


or he will reveal that he is the missing link. that should throw a few fools off.




http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz47/claydeath/QM9JFCARTU6EICAMSGXH0CA6L12T0CAG9R9.jpg

GlennMirnyi
10-30-2009, 03:24 AM
I hope all Crackassi defenders get this shoved up theirs.

Roddickominator
10-30-2009, 03:32 AM
Rios...the bitter, jealous tool said something bad about Agassi....imagine that. It's gotta come from a better source than him for it to be believable/relevant.

Clay Death
10-30-2009, 03:34 AM
I hope all Crackassi defenders get this shoved up theirs.

i changed his name dude.

its Drugassi. but crackassi will do if you must insist.

FelipeMIA89
10-30-2009, 04:06 AM
I hope all Crackassi defenders get this shoved up theirs.

It was worth the wait! hahahaa

ChinoRios4Ever
10-30-2009, 04:25 AM
Ch1no! :worship:

JediFed
10-30-2009, 04:45 AM
Why not Dragassi?

Seems like Rios was right.

MalwareDie
10-30-2009, 04:49 AM
Rios is a wise man and MTF used to be a much better place.

Arkulari
10-30-2009, 07:35 AM
Rios is a d-bag, but he was never afraid to speak his mind
turns out this time, he was right :shrug:

Foxy
10-30-2009, 08:31 AM
Why not Dragassi?

Seems like Rios was right.

I think Methassi is better. :)

FairWeatherFan
10-30-2009, 08:44 AM
Theres nothing to suggest that Andre has ever used drugs, he has always been made a big public anti drug stance, and its known that he treats his body like a temple, he is so hardworking and would never put anything into his body that would harm it.

:lol:

Nathaliia
10-30-2009, 01:05 PM
Poor Rios, had to compete with Korda (who robbed him off a slam) and Agassi, and yet there would be some apologists calling him a bitter tool.

But this is what life makes of us... just cheat, cheat, cheat... And for people it's normal. This world has gone bad.

thrust
10-30-2009, 01:13 PM
Poor Rios, had to compete with Korda (who robbed him off a slam) and Agassi, and yet there would be some apologists calling him a bitter tool.

But this is what life makes of us... just cheat, cheat, cheat... And for people it's normal. This world has gone bad.

It sure has!

ChinoRios4Ever
10-30-2009, 04:19 PM
Poor Rios, had to compete with Korda (who robbed him off a slam) and Agassi, and yet there would be some apologists calling him a bitter tool.

But this is what life makes of us... just cheat, cheat, cheat... And for people it's normal. This world has gone bad.

Very true. :sad:

Kolya
10-30-2009, 04:54 PM
Agassi fooled us very well.

Corey Feldman
10-30-2009, 06:41 PM
:lol: STFU Rios, retires from matches at one set all and still does the talking like he would have won.

Burrow
10-30-2009, 07:30 PM
Poor Rios, had to compete with Korda (who robbed him off a slam) and Agassi, and yet there would be some apologists calling him a bitter tool.

But this is what life makes of us... just cheat, cheat, cheat... And for people it's normal. This world has gone bad.

How the fuck is Agassi 'cheating'?

Do you think Meth is a performance enhancer? :lol:

Burrow
10-30-2009, 07:31 PM
Agassi fooled us very well.

"us" meaning who?

He was going through a difficult stage during that time and it didn't surprise me on bit.

CyBorg
10-30-2009, 07:40 PM
Wouldn't be shocked if Agassi doped. The huge 'announcement' of his meth use is probably a drop in a bucket.

Pea
10-30-2009, 09:34 PM
I think Methassi is better. :)

I'm sure more than meth has been in his system. Drugassi works well.

Henry Chinaski
10-30-2009, 10:23 PM
drug testing in tennis was a farce even before these revelations. wouldn't surprise me if agassi was doping just like I wouldn't be surprised if 80% of the top 50 failed a test today

mgorganchian
10-31-2009, 11:17 AM
Drug tests depends on which tennis player is being test.

There is only one dictator in the world: MONEY.

And due to this Tennis players from poor countries are not treated the same as tennis players from richer countries.

Saying that I am still an Agassi fan.

tennishero
11-01-2009, 01:25 AM
Do you think Meth is a performance enhancer? :lol:

:retard: of course it is.

heres some of the effects:

* It can bring on a feeling of exhilaration and produces increased arousal and activity levels.
* People feel more awake and it suppresses appetite.
* Smoking the purer crystalline form (also known as 'crystal meth' or 'ice') produces a very intense 'rush' similar to that produced by crack cocaine but longer-lasting - between 4 and 12 hours.

source: http://www.talktofrank.com/drugs.aspx

all of these can enhance ur performance.