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Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 03:03 AM
Thomas Johansson has replaced Younes El Ayanoui in this field.

Wednesday, January 14 , 2004

11.00am – Centre Court
Roger FEDERER (SUI) v Thomas JOHANSSON (SWE)
Andy RODDICK (USA) v Robby GINEPRI (USA)
Andre AGASSI (USA) v Sebastien GROSJEAN (FRA)
David NALBANDIAN (ARG) v Taylor DENT (USA)

Havok
01-13-2004, 03:05 AM
Younes :sad: i hope his injury will be properly healed come next week. he has to defend his quarterfinal appearance, but most importantly there are, im sure, lots of people who wanna see him and cheer him on

Fedex
01-13-2004, 03:06 AM
Good luck to Federer, Genepri, Agassi, Nalbandian!

Havok
01-13-2004, 03:07 AM
Good luck to Federer, Genepri, Agassi, Nalbandian!
you can at least get his name right:o it's Ginepri. you are clearly one of his fans

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 03:09 AM
Well Naldo, he has a huge fan base in Australia, and that was before last year, but more importantly I hope he doesn't pull out of the Australian Open.

WyverN
01-13-2004, 03:14 AM
whats the draw though?
if Roddick wins does he play Agassi?

TennisLurker
01-13-2004, 03:16 AM
If Roddick wins he plays the winner of Federer vs Johansson.

Nnalbandian Dent looks like a "fun" match.

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 03:18 AM
On the site, they haven't said anything at all.

If that's true Lurker it looks like I might have to get my carcass down there then.

TennisLurker
01-13-2004, 03:23 AM
Is that the draw or the order of play?

Shy
01-13-2004, 03:23 AM
I think that it is the order of play.

Deboogle!.
01-13-2004, 03:26 AM
It's Wednesday's order of play.

Younes :sad::sad::sad:

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 03:26 AM
Order of play, but as the way it's structured the winners go into one section, and the losers go in the other. So, we won't know who will play who until at least 3 of the matches have been played.

Fedex
01-13-2004, 03:27 AM
Yeah Dent vs. Nalbandian will be fun. Great contrasting styles! If its true that Federer will play Roddick if they both win their matches (hahaha) :devil: Could be a good warm up for him. See if Federer plays Andy,even if its an exhibition, since he loves beating Andy, i'm sure he'll actually try in that match. We could also see a possible Agassi-Nalbandian rematch. Their last (and only) match was so dramatic.

WyverN
01-13-2004, 03:29 AM
The draw is seeded as normal
so........

winner of Roddick/Ginepri will play winner of Nalbandian/Dent

and

Winner of Grosjean/Andre will play winner of Federer/Johansson in the semis

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 03:30 AM
Thanks for that Wyver.

WyverN
01-13-2004, 03:30 AM
See if Federer plays Andy,even if its an exhibition, since he loves beating Andy, i'm sure he'll actually try in that match.

Traditionally all the players try close to their best in this tournament even though its not official. Those who do well here usually have a good Aus Open as well.

Fedex
01-13-2004, 03:31 AM
Thats how it is, really. Hmmm, still possible interesting semi matches :)

tangerine_dream
01-13-2004, 03:32 AM
Younes!! :bowdown: Come baaaack! The AO is nothing without yoooooooo! :sad:

If that's true Lurker it looks like I might have to get my carcass down there then.

Ah, so that's where the stench is coming from. ;)

Havok
01-13-2004, 03:34 AM
Yeah Dent vs. Nalbandian will be fun. Great contrasting styles! If its true that Federer will play Roddick if they both win their matches (hahaha) :devil: Could be a good warm up for him. See if Federer plays Andy,even if its an exhibition, since he loves beating Andy, i'm sure he'll actually try in that match. We could also see a possible Agassi-Nalbandian rematch. Their last (and only) match was so dramatic.
:yawn: i'm sure if Federer/Nalbandian meet, Davheeed will have much joy and pleasure making Roger look clueless for the 6th time, even though its just an exho:rolleyes:

WyverN
01-13-2004, 03:34 AM
Ah, so that's where the stench is coming from. ;)

LOL
I am actually in Melbourne as well

WyverN
01-13-2004, 03:35 AM
:yawn: i'm sure if Federer/Nalbandian meet, Davheeed will have much joy and pleasure making Roger look clueless for the 6th time, even though its just an exho:rolleyes:

I dont think Nalbandian will be to keen on meeting Federer after Houston

Fedex
01-13-2004, 03:41 AM
Agree. Even Rosie is unsure of it. But if youre such a fan of David, Naldo, then will you be a fan when he kicks andy's ass . Didnt think so. Besides I think Federer may alter his Tactics against David, Like staying back more & not Serving & Volleying as much. Speaking of clueless, that is what Roger does to Andy, Not what David does to Federer.

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 03:41 AM
Originally posted tangerine_dream
Ah, so that's where the stench is coming from

Ah, such witty repartee tangerinus, that's almost as funny as eating steak through a straw.

But once again incorrect. I fly into Melbourne on that morning, so no the stench isn't coming from there. Then again you are multi-talented tangerinus and I should respect that.

Fedex
01-13-2004, 03:43 AM
Sorry, I meant you were clueless &helpless, Naldo :)

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 03:44 AM
If Federer and Nalle meet it will be good for both of them, and at least with 4 out of the 6 Federer vs Nalle matches, they have been close unlike the majority of Federer/Roddick matches.

shaoyu
01-13-2004, 04:00 AM
Please correct me if I am wrong. The format of this event is that of 'promotion/relegation' according to the official website. So I guess it is similar to the usual single elimination, only the losers are not eliminated but go on to play lower rankings. In the end each player will have played 3 matches and a ranking of 1-8 can be determined. First round losers go to ranking 5-8 etc.

faboozadoo15
01-13-2004, 04:04 AM
why are world #1 and #2 on the same side of the draw?
other than that... COOL, can't wait.
go roger!

WyverN
01-13-2004, 04:04 AM
Please correct me if I am wrong. The format of this event is that of 'promotion/relegation' according to the official website. So I guess it is similar to the usual single elimination, only the losers are not eliminated but go on to play lower rankings. In the end each player will have played 3 matches and a ranking of 1-8 can be determined. First round losers go to ranking 5-8 etc.

Totally correct. Always feel sorry for whoever is unlucky to lose all 3 matches and finish 8th

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 04:04 AM
That's right shaoyu.

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 04:05 AM
I wouldn't feel too sorry for them Wyver, it's not like they lose any points on their rankings.

undomiele
01-13-2004, 04:12 AM
Yeah Id be interested to see how Nalby and Feds measure up against eachother this year. They both still have a lot to prove to both themselves and the world, ie: that Roger is no longer a basketcase, and that David is a meritorious top ten player.

lsy
01-13-2004, 04:22 AM
I will love to see them play too and I'm really glad David is cleared of injuries.

If they play their best, I don't mind whoever wins. Though I will hope Fed does since David still have his numbers.

Dirk
01-13-2004, 04:50 AM
This should be great. I do want Andre and Roger to meet again. The Roger matches with David were always close. Roger just has to play differently with david than others. Taking the pace off and control it along with direction is key to beating him. David loves fast pace to counter and he can't produce it so if you don't give it to him right away then he is forced to come up with something and it won't work against the guys who can create winners out of air like Roger and Andre and Guga and Rios. Still I do like David's style and game, its unique. As long as Roger remembers his plan from the cup I don't see him losing to David again unless David is able to create pace from no pace. Andy and Roger can't meet unless they make the finals. Shame its not on TV. :sad:

Deboogle!.
01-13-2004, 04:58 AM
Andy and Roger can't meet unless they make the finals. Shame its not on TV. :sad:

If they're in the same half of this little 8-man draw, how is that the case?

Dirk
01-13-2004, 05:00 AM
I thougtht it would be Andre and Roger in the semis.

lsy
01-13-2004, 05:03 AM
ya...my coverage here is still showing TATA and Hopman cup :o

Glad to see that David is having more and more fans these days, and appreciation from most fed fans too. Well just go to show that as long as you play great tennis, it will be appreciated ;)

yes Dick, that's what I thought about Roger's plan vs David too in the cup for that first win. I hope he remembers that, though I'm pretty sure David will have his new game plan too since he seems like an intelligent player to me.

lsy
01-13-2004, 05:06 AM
I'm so so so sorry, I meant Dirk....sorry sorry sorry...that was purely typo mistakes!!!!!!

Dirk
01-13-2004, 05:10 AM
I hope Dick was typo. :p I am sure David will try to be ready for it, but again he can't create pace only reflect it so no way for him to control the match. Roger just has to play really fast and David has to counter in order to win and rattle him. Also if Roger attacks his 2nd serve big time, that will hurt David even more. It will be interesting to see what goes down.

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 05:10 AM
Dirk, I don't believe you at all when you say Roger won't lose to David again. That just smells of bias and isn't an accurate statement. In essence you are saying that say the next 7 times, they play Roger will win all of them.

Yes, Roger knows what he has to do, that will work effectively against Nalbandian, but David isn't a fool and I think he would have his own plans, which would include to play better than in that TMC match.

I just wish Roger could beat up on Henman more so than on Nalbandian.

Fedex
01-13-2004, 05:12 AM
Can someone please clarify, what the possible semi matchups we have. Some people are saying Andy/Roger, others are saying Andre/Roger which one is it?? :confused:

Dirk
01-13-2004, 05:16 AM
Like I said if Roger sticks to that plan David will have to become a better player on serve and on creating pace. Till then David will only win if Roger plays him with the same plan before the Cup. At the Cup Roger was forcing errors out of him by giving him no pace or changing the pacing and direction really quickly to keep him off of any rhythm. The Henman losses are another :scratch: I am not biased but merely writing the truth.

Fedex
01-13-2004, 05:16 AM
I like Henman, but i would like for Roger to beat him at Wimbledon, in front of his home crowd on his favorite surface(Tims) That would prove that Roger knows how to beat him big time. His only win over Tim was a retirement after the 1st set from Tim so id like to see Roger beat him.

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 05:18 AM
I think this is the right one as Wyver posted earlier.

The draw is seeded as normal
so........

winner of Roddick/Ginepri will play winner of Nalbandian/Dent

and

Winner of Grosjean/Andre will play winner of Federer/Johansson in the semis

Deboogle!.
01-13-2004, 05:34 AM
Can someone please clarify, what the possible semi matchups we have. Some people are saying Andy/Roger, others are saying Andre/Roger which one is it?? :confused:


Yea I'm really confused too lol....

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 06:02 AM
Originally posted by Dirk
Like I said if Roger sticks to that plan David will have to become a better player on serve and on creating pace. Till then David will only win if Roger plays him with the same plan before the Cup. At the Cup Roger was forcing errors out of him by giving him no pace or changing the pacing and direction really quickly to keep him off of any rhythm.

I saw that match, and I have actually seen three of their matches live, so I am a bit familiar with how their matches have gone and what Roger did and didn't do.

You saying that Roger will never lose to David again is disrepectful to David for one, and as you know there are always players that will give him problems. Just because he beat him once, doesn't necessarily mean he will do it consistently . If you are so sure about it, are you prepared to recieve the crap that will come your way the next time David does beat Roger?

esther
01-13-2004, 06:08 AM
ugh i refuse to watch roddick vs ginepri...i'll go have lunch when thats on :)

go seb!!! and whatever happened to nalbandian withdrawing..?!

lsy
01-13-2004, 06:13 AM
GWH, Dirk is just stating his belief for his favourite player. Why must you turn it to him being disrespectful about David??? I read respects for David's game from his posts. Maybe he was "bias" with his belief, but that doesn't mean he was disrespectful to David?

WyverN
01-13-2004, 06:22 AM
Roger has the tools to never be beaten by David again but that is not to say it will never happen.
I do expect their head to head to even out significantly though.

WyverN
01-13-2004, 06:23 AM
There is no confusion about the draw, Roddick and Federer can not be put on the same side of the draw as they are #1 and #2.

If all players win as expected it will be Andre v Roger and Andy v David

Deboogle!.
01-13-2004, 06:37 AM
There is no confusion about the draw, Roddick and Andy can not be put on the same side of the draw as they are #1 and #2.

If all players win as expected it will be Andre v Roger and Andy v David

Roddick and Andy cannot be put on the same side of the draw?? ;) That would be quite interesting to see Andy split into two! You all would explode I imagine :p

And it's just an exho, why would they have to separate the #1 and #2....

WyverN
01-13-2004, 06:41 AM
And it's just an exho, why would they have to separate the #1 and #2....

Because they want a Federer v Roddick final instead of a Roddick v Ginepri final

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 06:46 AM
Isy, I do like both players and to make a huge call like Roger will never lose to David again isn't very bright and the way he posted it came across as it was David only won, because of Roger not playing his best and taking away credit from David, who took all of his chances in their close matches.

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 06:46 AM
Come on Wyver Roddick vs Ginepri final would put bums on seats, and the women would love it.

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 06:50 AM
Isy, I do like both players and to make a huge call like Roger will never lose to David again isn't very bright and the way he posted it came across as it was David only won, because of Roger not playing his best and taking away credit from David, who took all of his chances in their close matches.
Indeed.

He also failed to point out that in the match Roger won, David played like complete and total ass. Yes, Roger did what he had to do and perhaps it wouldn't ahve mattered either way. But David couldn't keep a forehand in the court to save his life that day.

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 06:50 AM
Come on Wyver Roddick vs Ginepri final would put bums on seats, and the women would love it.
*waves hand*

Here is one woman who wouldn't ;)

Dirk
01-13-2004, 06:51 AM
Roger always made tons of errors in his losses to David. Roger was patient the last time and mixed it up much more in the rallies and made David tried to attack him which helped Roger make David give him points due to errors. If Roger does do the same plan at the cup and still loses to David, then george I will lay in the crap gladly.

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 06:52 AM
Good to see some women have taste. As much as I can't stand Roddick at least he has a reason to strut around a tennis court unlike that tool Ginepri.

esther
01-13-2004, 06:52 AM
*waves hand*

Here is one woman who wouldn't ;)

theres PLENTY more who wouldnt either!!!

lsy
01-13-2004, 06:54 AM
ok...just shows that there can be many interpretation in one post. I didn't read that as him taking away credit from David in his posts. But same as you, I enjoy watching both players and I think David deserved his wins over Roger (though I can only said about recent ones since I never got to watch others), so was Roger's one and only latest win vs David.

btw, I'm a woman but Roddick vs Ginepri doesn't do much to me...

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 06:58 AM
Good to see some women have taste. As much as I can't stand Roddick at least he has a reason to strut around a tennis court unlike that tool Ginepri.
I don't really think that Roddick should be strutting around either. Ginepri has a nice body than him, but a blah face. Neither of them get me too hot, to be honest.

Roddick isn't BAD looking. He's just blah. He looks like 20 other guys I went to highschool with. Decent looking, but nothing special.

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 06:59 AM
Roger always made tons of errors in his losses to David. Roger was patient the last time and mixed it up much more in the rallies and made David tried to attack him which helped Roger make David give him points due to errors. If Roger does do the same plan at the cup and still loses to David, then george I will lay in the crap gladly.
David is usually NOT making 600 errors in his matches against Roger. Unlike the one that he lost.

Coincidence? ;)

Dirk
01-13-2004, 07:00 AM
yeah and he was putting forehands in the net due to Roger spinning the ball in with no pace and then he would hit the ball with a lot pace and David couldn't adjust to it. Roger was serving like shit too. I never said David didn't deserve his wins, but only that Roger played very differently the last time. I've never seen Roger moonball like that.

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 07:04 AM
yeah and he was putting forehands in the net due to Roger spinning the ball in with no pace and then he would hit the ball with a lot pace and David couldn't adjust to it. Roger was serving like shit too. I never said David didn't deserve his wins, but only that Roger played very differently the last time. I've never seen Roger moonball like that.
I don't doubt that Roger changed his strategy; he'd be a fool not to.

I'm just pointing out that it goes both ways; you say that Roger only loses to David because he doesn't play his game. I say that David go beat so badly by Roger because he played like complete and total ass... although I add on that Roger also played well enough to get the job done, which was obviously a factor. If you're having an ass day, and your opponent doesn't give you anything to go on, then it sucks to be you ;)

lsy
01-13-2004, 07:07 AM
why don't we just agree that both deserve to win in those matches they had played? It's apparent that you all enjoy watching both Roger and David, why hang on to these petty discussions of who deserve to win more? Pretty obvious that people who like David more will think he deserves more, vice versa. Maybe the discussion should stop here before it snowballing into one hating or not respecting another, like many other threads here?

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 07:10 AM
why don't we just agree that both deserve to win in those matches they had played? It's apparent that you all enjoy watching both Roger and David, why hang on to these petty discussions of who deserve to win more? Pretty obvious that people who like David more will think he deserves more, vice versa. Maybe the discussion should stop here before it snowballing into one hating or not respecting another, like many other threads here?
NO.

Roger doesn't deserve to win ANY matches, and neither does David.

But they are still both the best thing since Peanut Butter. Especially David.

Dirk
01-13-2004, 07:11 AM
No no I never said Roger lossed to him because he didn't play his game. Problem is he did play his game. Roger can't play that game unless its on grass maybe. Roger made the necessary changes. The ass day was create by Roger. Funny how David played darn well in his JC and Andre match but didn't with Roger. Why? Cause Roger didn't play to his liking. I knew his match with Andre would be tight due to the fact that Andre loves playing fast pace tennis.

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 07:13 AM
Actually the reason Roddick has to strut around the court is not because of his looks. He was already won 1 more Slam than that tool Ginepri ever will.

lsy
01-13-2004, 07:20 AM
haha...Rebecca...ok ok...I guess you all just love to fight it out here. After all this is an internet free forum, say all we like, it's not like we can do that in our real world. Makes it fun for us to read it anyway.

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 07:21 AM
Isy, believe it or not it's possible to have an informed discussion here now and then. I made a call, that I didn't think Dirk was being objective about his analysis of the David/Roger matches, and I still don't think the result of one match has changed everything, though as Wyver said I think their overall head to head will be closer in the future.

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 07:23 AM
Actually the reason Roddick has to strut around the court is not because of his looks. He was already won 1 more Slam than that tool Ginepri ever will.
Ah... in that case, yes, unfortunately, he can strut around all he would like. He can even shake his ass around shamelessly if he pleases. I'd prefer that he not, but it's not as if I'm getting coverage of this anyways.

Isy - whatever do you mean? I argue and talk nonsensically in real life ALL THE TIME. People tell me that they like to watch.

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 07:28 AM
Come on Rebecca, you arguing in real life? That's not true I think you are telling porkies.

Also come to think of it more people agree on the Nalbandian/Federer matches than disagree. Come to think of it, if a player I like is playing rubbish or acting like a moron, he deserves the criticism.

lsy
01-13-2004, 07:29 AM
Ya I know what you mean, GWH. I did say that maybe Dirk wasn't objective or was bias, but I miss reading it about him being disrespectful to David. I'll be upset too if he meant that way coz I think David of all had been neglected the most among all top players. I totally enjoyed watching him, one of my favourites last year.

btw, why do people kept calling me "I"sy??? It's "L"sy

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 07:32 AM
Come on Rebecca, you arguing in real life? That's not true I think you are telling porkies.

Also come to think of it more people agree on the Nalbandian/Federer matches than disagree. Come to think of it, if a player I like is playing rubbish or acting like a moron, he deserves the criticism.
Indeed.

I make fun of Ferrero all the time for that very reason ;)

Ferrero to lose in round one of Australia to Richard Gasquet! You heard it here first! ;)

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 07:32 AM
Probably should have used a capital L, that would avoid some confusion.

lsy
01-13-2004, 07:32 AM
Well then I really envy you Rebecca...coz I talked nonsense all the time too in real life, but more to rub my boss's or client's ass.

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 07:33 AM
Ya I know what you mean, GWH. I did say that maybe Dirk wasn't objective or was bias, but I miss reading it about him being disrespectful to David. I'll be upset too if he meant that way coz I think David of all had been neglected the most among all top players. I totally enjoyed watching him, one of my favourites last year.

btw, why do people kept calling me "I"sy??? It's "L"sy
Gotcha, Isy. It won't happen again, Isy.

;)

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 07:33 AM
No, Rebecca I posted on the other forum who he will lose to first.

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 07:34 AM
Well then I really envy you Rebecca...coz I talked nonsense all the time too in real life, but more to rub my boss's or client's ass.
I'm still young and in school, so I get to keep a low bullshit profile... except for all the bullshit that I spew on the internet... like that I'm really agressive and nonsensical in real life too ;)

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 07:35 AM
No, Rebecca I posted on the other forum who he will lose to first.
Which forum? Ooohhh.... gotcha. I'll give it a look shortly.

lsy
01-13-2004, 07:40 AM
you're reall good at irritating people...Rebecca, though I'm not that young anymore to be easily frustrated :p

So when r u getting out of school? Let's see if we notice any changes in you once that happens. More or less of your bullshits here...

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 07:48 AM
you're reall good at irritating people...Rebecca, though I'm not that young anymore to be easily frustrated :p

So when r u getting out of school? Let's see if we notice any changes in you once that happens. More or less of your bullshits here...
I'm in my third year, but due to a program switch and a couple other issues, I won't graduate until December of 2005. After that, I'm going to Grad school.

So I have years of internet bullshit left in me... don't worry ;)

lsy
01-13-2004, 08:05 AM
did I suddenly hear some "gggrrrr"..."ppffff"...and "bbbllllkkeee" here??? But I'm glad, u're very "entertaining" indeed

Action Jackson
01-13-2004, 08:05 AM
I didn't think you would disappear easily Rebecca, not that I am complaining.

Chloe le Bopper
01-13-2004, 08:18 AM
did I suddenly hear some "gggrrrr"..."ppffff"...and "bbbllllkkeee" here??? But I'm glad, u're very "entertaining" indeed
Hmmmm?

Jazzy
01-13-2004, 08:22 AM
wat????

WyverN
01-13-2004, 09:31 AM
David is usually NOT making 600 errors in his matches against Roger. Unlike the one that he lost.

Coincidence? ;)

The first match Roger didn't make 600 errors is the same match that David made 600 errors, coincidence?

WyverN
01-13-2004, 09:38 AM
Actually the reason Roddick has to strut around the court is not because of his looks. He was already won 1 more Slam than that tool Ginepri ever will.

Yes Roddick will win at least 5 more slams then Ginepri, far more if Federer turns out to be a mental whacko

maratski
01-13-2004, 10:28 AM
To get back to the subject of the thread ;)

Younes :sad: :sad: :sad:

J. Corwin
01-13-2004, 10:40 AM
Lsy (noticed I used a captial L), like GWH said, you probably should of used "L" instead of "l". But ah well, it doesn't matter. ;)

Nice discussion we have here about Federer/Nalbandian. We all have bias, but some are more stubborn than others to admit their stance may not be completely bullet-proof.

WyverN
01-13-2004, 11:25 AM
here is the draw by the way in case some people want to argue some more about who plays who

http://www.commbankinternational.com/asp/draw.gif

star
01-13-2004, 12:39 PM
why don't we just agree that both deserve to win in those matches they had played? It's apparent that you all enjoy watching both Roger and David, why hang on to these petty discussions of who deserve to win more? Pretty obvious that people who like David more will think he deserves more, vice versa. Maybe the discussion should stop here before it snowballing into one hating or not respecting another, like many other threads here?

For once and for all, Lsy: Stop Making Sense. :lol:

But for the rest of you: :drive:

lsy
01-13-2004, 12:58 PM
don't worry Star...I will very soon. I'm already starting to enjoy looking, ahem...I mean reading threads about shirtless players, male bulges, naked pictures...

It's internet forum after all, who cares about making sense?

Experimentee
01-13-2004, 01:07 PM
Looks like I'll be going out when the Roddick-Ginepri match is on, then be back for the rest of the adidas international :)

star
01-13-2004, 01:16 PM
don't worry Star...I will very soon. I'm already starting to enjoy looking, ahem...I mean reading threads about shirtless players, male bulges, naked pictures...

It's internet forum after all, who cares about making sense?

:lol:

WyverN
01-13-2004, 01:22 PM
why hang on to these petty discussions of who deserve to win more? Pretty obvious that people who like David more will think he deserves more, vice versa. Maybe the discussion should stop here before it snowballing into one hating or not respecting another, like many other threads here?

I don't think it was petty at all. It was a fairly interesting debate.

If anything your post steered it off topic, while your point applies in a lot of threads where things go crazy I don't think that was the case here.

Howlman
01-13-2004, 01:52 PM
Interesting!!!!!!

Howlman
01-13-2004, 01:55 PM
Looks like I'll be going out when the Roddick-Ginepri match is on, then be back for the rest of the adidas international :)

It is NOT the Addidas Experimentaltee!!!

The match that will be all one sided is the Federer Match

All in favor of Roger...That will be a snoozefest!

lsy
01-13-2004, 01:57 PM
I'm sorry if I did. I can see the interesting points being discussed at first, but after the same points had been raised repetitively and discussion kept circling around same points insisted by each and eventually went down to who's made more errors in each match, I just don't see how interesting or intellectual it can get :confused: It's just each supporting more for their own favourite players and trying to "instill" their opinions to the other...waste of efforts to me really, everyone is bias to their own favourites, why need to convince others to think like ourselves?

Ok, I shall stop. This is going off topic now for sure. Anyone here will get coverage for this exhibition at all?

Howlman
01-13-2004, 02:10 PM
Isy...You can have your opinions......

lsy
01-13-2004, 02:18 PM
*ahem*...Howlman, it's "L"sy btw.

I'm really looking forward to see how each performs in this event.

Howlman
01-13-2004, 02:28 PM
SORRY, Lsy......
Me too !

lsy
01-13-2004, 02:39 PM
No problem, it's my fault for making it so confusing ;)

You're pretty ambitious about one sided matches going all in Roger's way though...

Sjengster
01-13-2004, 03:40 PM
It's rather foolish to suggest that either one will dominate from now on really (although I would still give the Band the edge to be honest). In most of Nalbandian's wins Federer was employing the wrong game plan and going for too much too soon while Big Dave played his counterpunch style perfectly, in the Masters Cup match Federer changed his tactics effectively while Nalbandian had a very bad off-day (and he started playing badly from his first service game, way before Federer started slowing the match down). So we haven't seen them both playing at their best level against each other...

Nalbandian does dictate in a way because his lack of errors forces Federer into going for foolish shots and making mistakes - you can hardly say he lives or dies by Federer's play because it's his tennis that's controlling the match. At the same time Federer has the potential to mix it up as he showed in Houston to find a way around Dave's defence. Also, it's a bit of an exaggeration to say that Nalbandian can't generate pace at all; he's struggled in that department against Roddick, but I've seen him crush slow balls in rallies and rip winners off Federer's second serve - now if Nalbandian is playing well the next time they play, Federer can't get away with the low serving percentage he had in Houston, he mentioned it himself. Below 50% first serves is going to mean lots of breaks of his serve.

Dirk
01-13-2004, 03:44 PM
I miss Thomas and I am glad he is back. Roger isn't going to be a mental wacko. He has been improving every year. He will become less and less of a choker as time goes on. He simplys cares too much about his career to not address his mental lapses. David has a a great game and is great at handling pace but he has plenty of weaknesses still. Despite Rainer starting the year off badly I do think he will do well this year again. JC fans are overrating but I understand it.

Deboogle!.
01-13-2004, 03:52 PM
here's a gif of the draw
http://www.commbankinternational.com/asp/draw.gif

could that BE any more confusing? I've done calculus problems simpler than that :p

Sjengster
01-13-2004, 03:53 PM
I hope so Dirk, I hope so (with regard to Federer). This loose attitude he apparently had during Hong Kong, I hope it was because it was an exhibition and not because he lacks focus and direction without a coach. After all, for all the talk about him being the most talented New Ball, he's still achieved the least, being the only one not to have reached the top spot yet. Your point about Johansson is seconded!

Dirk
01-13-2004, 04:01 PM
Oh he is fucked for sure going to Oz without a coach, unless he plays people who he knows. I do think that its wrong to label Roger has a headcase just yet. For a headcase he has done a lot so far in his career and isn't going to just drop off the face of the earth like Safin and Rios did. Roger is too mature and serious about tennis for that. He has mental issues still, but he is working on them. Even in his choke up with Hewitt at DC, he fought very hard in his error ridden 4th set. Now his Montreal match, he lost heart along with the led so :shrug: Still I have faith in my man. :bounce:

Experimentee
01-13-2004, 04:14 PM
It is NOT the Addidas Experimentaltee!!!

The match that will be all one sided is the Federer Match

All in favor of Roger...That will be a snoozefest!

After the Roddick match they will show the adidas, so I will watch that. Understand? :p

I think the Federer match has the potential to be close, Johansson is a former AO champ after all, unlike Ginepri whos never come close to a Slam in his life. And Johansson was playing some great tennis in Adelaide and that was only his first tournament back! He'd have improved on that for this tournament. Federer last week lost in straight sets to Ferrero.

Howlman
01-13-2004, 04:54 PM
here's a gif of the draw
http://www.commbankinternational.com/asp/draw.gif

could that BE any more confusing? I've done calculus problems simpler than that :p
LOL Bunk

Being a Math major it is way beyond my comprehension!!

Howlman
01-13-2004, 04:57 PM
After the Roddick match they will show the adidas, so I will watch that. Understand? :p

I think the Federer match has the potential to be close, Johansson is a former AO champ after all, unlike Ginepri whos never come close to a Slam in his life. And Johansson was playing some great tennis in Adelaide and that was only his first tournament back! He'd have improved on that for this tournament. Federer last week lost in straight sets to Ferrero.

OH Now I got it! I still think Federer will win that match easily!

Could it be Roger should be having that coach by now??

Doris Loeffel
01-13-2004, 05:19 PM
No Roger still hasn't a new coach. He's accompagned by Reto Staubli (33 used to be a swiss champion some years ago) I think it might be in February where he will announce us his new coach.

RogiFan88
01-13-2004, 07:35 PM
theres PLENTY more who wouldnt either!!!

I'm one of the PLENTY!! :p

Ginepri the "tool"!! :haha:

RogiFan88
01-13-2004, 07:39 PM
I like Henman, but i would like for Roger to beat him at Wimbledon, in front of his home crowd on his favorite surface(Tims) That would prove that Roger knows how to beat him big time. His only win over Tim was a retirement after the 1st set from Tim so id like to see Roger beat him.

I w also like to see Rogi definitely beat Tim when they're both playing well -- now that w be sth to look forward to, esp on grass you-know-where!

J. Corwin
01-13-2004, 09:31 PM
LOL Bunk

Being a Math major it is way beyond my comprehension!!

Come now, it isn't THAT difficult to understand the chart. ;)

It's just that they sucked with the boxes. The could have shaded areas that won't be filled by a player's name. The optical illusion is what makes it a lil difficult at first.

Frooty_Bazooty
01-13-2004, 09:44 PM
the way the draw works is that if u win a match, u move one block to the right and if u lose you move one block to the left. there will always be at least one other person who has had the same pattern as you so far and that is the person you play. in the end, everyone has their own pattern

1. WWW
2. WWL
3. WLW
4. WLL
5. LWW
6. LWL
7. LLW
8. LLL

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 12:40 AM
Anyone know if there's a way to get live scoring?

J. Corwin
01-14-2004, 01:30 AM
apparently there isn't. The site's "scoreboard" is really just a results page..and even that is behind.

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 01:32 AM
how do you know it's behind?

WyverN
01-14-2004, 01:39 AM
Federer won first set 6-4 and Johansson won second set 7-6 if anyone is interested
about to start 3rd set

WyverN
01-14-2004, 01:42 AM
Federer is playing pretty awful as well, something like 22 unforced errors so far

WyverN
01-14-2004, 01:43 AM
they just showed the stats - 28 unforced errors by Federer in 2 sets

MisterQ
01-14-2004, 01:43 AM
Yes, we're interested WyverN! Thanks very much. :)

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 01:48 AM
so you're getting it on tv wyver? thank you for the updates!!!

WyverN
01-14-2004, 01:50 AM
ok ill update at the change of ends if theres no live scoring anywhere

Federer leads 2-1 in the third on serve

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 01:51 AM
nope, no live scoring. much thanks!

tangerine_dream
01-14-2004, 01:52 AM
they just showed the stats - 28 unforced errors by Federer in 2 sets

:eek: !!!

asotgod
01-14-2004, 01:52 AM
Thanks WyverN for the updates. Hi everyone. I know I am new here but I have been reading your comments for quite a while. Hope Federer can pick up pace and concentrate on the game and stop all those unforced errors.

asotgod.

MisterQ
01-14-2004, 01:53 AM
Hello and welcome asotgod! :wavey:

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 01:54 AM
hello! welcome!

asotgod
01-14-2004, 01:56 AM
Thanks MisterQ and bunk18bsb.

WyverN
01-14-2004, 01:57 AM
Federer leads 4-1 in the third, just the one break of serve

Federer played a magnificent game to break serve but apart from that it has been a sea of errors, Thomas has had opportunities to break Federer in this set but he is also being let down by some UE on key points

WyverN
01-14-2004, 02:02 AM
Federer leads 5-2
Thomas to serve to stay in it

Federer playing a bit better but I am sure he wont be happy about his form so far, although it is very windy in Melbourne

Fedex
01-14-2004, 02:09 AM
Come on!!! This should be an easy win for you!!! Shouldnt even have to go to a 3rd set!!!

WyverN
01-14-2004, 02:11 AM
Federer did his absolute best to continue old habits by falling to 15-40 while serving for the match by missing shots he should be hitting with his eyes closed but in the end he somehow scrambled out of it and won

6-4, 6-7, 6-3

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 02:11 AM
why should it be so easy? Johansson won AO in 2002 and is having a good run after returning from injury so he obviously does well on Rebound Ace...

Fedex
01-14-2004, 02:11 AM
Can someone give the other stats!! Is he still hitting winners. I want to se you take this set 6-2 Roger, No more of these errors!!!! :mad:

asotgod
01-14-2004, 02:13 AM
Thanks WyverN.

I am so displeased with him even though he won. I also wanted to ask: what exactly was the problem you could figure in the way he played? Was he serving and volleying too much or was he having a bad serving day? What exactly was wrong? Thanks for answering.

asotgod.

Fedex
01-14-2004, 02:14 AM
Well for your little Andy you'd expect him to win this like 6-0,6-0!! It would be like 6-2,6-3 if He was playing ANYWHERE near his best!! You must be a friend of Ryan(that horrible Andy fan that made the alwful thread)

Shy
01-14-2004, 02:14 AM
Come on!!! This should be an easy win for you!!! Shouldnt even have to go to a 3rd set!!!Almost all his match against Thomas had been very close.

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 02:16 AM
huh? I NEVER expect Andy to win 6-0 6-0.... you are seriously delusional Fedex. Johansson is a good player, and he doesn't deserve to be so underestimated. It had nothing to do with Andy so let's leave it that way.

Thanks again for the updates wyver, much appreciated.

WyverN
01-14-2004, 02:16 AM
maybe the stats will tell the story........serving was alright.

65% first serve in
77% won on first serve
6 aces
18 winners (16 by forehand)
37 unforced errors
11 points won at net

you can clearly see where the problem was

Fedex
01-14-2004, 02:16 AM
Yes, but that was a long time ago. Federer of Wimbledon form would crush him respectivly.

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 02:18 AM
wow only 2 BH winners? Isn't that unusual for him?

WyverN
01-14-2004, 02:19 AM
Yeah he wasn't hitting the backhand cleanly at all and the backhand up the line, one of his favourite shots, wasn't working

Well Federer was a long way behind his Wimbledon form but I suspect he will raise his game tomorrow if he plays Agassi - or he will get crushed.
Johansson was not playing out of his mind either, although far more consistently but he missed a couple of basic shots on break points.

asotgod
01-14-2004, 02:21 AM
The stats show a pool of unforced errors: -19 on winners to error scale. But the errors must have been caused by something: was it all Johansson, or was it Federer making so many silly errors, was it the conditions, was it his forehand or backhand or when he came to the net?

Will appreciate it if you are little more specific, WyverN. Sorry I love to know details. Thanks.

asotgod.

Shy
01-14-2004, 02:21 AM
Yes, but that was a long time ago. Federer of Wimbledon form would crush him respectivly.He ain't going to play like Wimbledon all the time.He is one of those players that need to feel confortable in order to play at his best.Although , his game seem so easy, a lots of his shots aren't that easy,so a little lost of concentration or feeling unconfortable can change a lots of thing.

Fedex
01-14-2004, 02:21 AM
Well,asotgod, he wasnt serving & volleying very much. That would not be a problem anyway. Its the unforced errors. Fed could come in on 1st & 2nd serves & it wouldent make a difference. Please show more form in your next match Roger. Actually i think he should come in more in his next match.

MisterQ
01-14-2004, 02:24 AM
He ain't going to play like Wimbledon all the time.

Absolutely right, Shy (although he should try to, lol!)

And the surface in Australia is also very different, and changes things considerably.

asotgod
01-14-2004, 02:27 AM
Hi Fedex,

How r u doing? Thanks for the info. I was thinking he came in too much. You said he should come in more? Does that mean serve and volley more or finish more points at the net? If it means the former, I think it will be really disastrous against Agassi. Agassi will make a mess of him or Grosjean, although I am tipping Agassi to win that. Thanks anyways.

WyverN
01-14-2004, 02:31 AM
The stats show a pool of unforced errors: -19 on winners to error scale. But the errors must have been caused by something: was it all Johansson, or was it Federer making so many silly errors, was it the conditions, was it his forehand or backhand or when he came to the net?
asotgod.

Mostly Federer making silly errors while going for winners and trying to finish the point quickly. Johansson played well in patches but the match was mostly directed by Federer's winners/UE. I am sure some of Federer's sloppy play was due to the very windy conditions. It was mostly his backhand and he seemed solid at the net.

Fedex
01-14-2004, 02:33 AM
Hi (I believe you post in Roger's official site too??)
Well, I believe he needs to take risk. Come in and be agressive. S & V on most 1st serves & stay back on about 90% of the 2nd serves. But he can definatly win from the baseline(which is how he thrashed Agassi in the TMC). So a mixture of coming in and staying back would be perfect(if he dosnt hit a lot of unforced errors. By coming to net youre looking to hit winners as well as force your oponent into errors ;)

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 02:36 AM
well federer doesn't have a coach right now to tell him these things....

asotgod
01-14-2004, 02:39 AM
Thanks WyverN. I really appreciate it.

asotgod.

WyverN
01-14-2004, 02:41 AM
Roddick leading Ginepri
3-0 first set

Shy
01-14-2004, 02:42 AM
no surprise

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 02:42 AM
yay... is that 1 break or 2? thanks Wyver you're a star:)

WyverN
01-14-2004, 02:42 AM
Roddick leading 5-0 first set

Fedex
01-14-2004, 02:42 AM
Come on Robby. :mad: By the way how do you find out the scores?? They only show results on the website

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 02:42 AM
holy canoly.... is he playing well or is Robby just bad? lol

WyverN
01-14-2004, 02:43 AM
I am watching it on tv, Roddick playing very well
2 breaks 5-0
Ginepri looks nervous

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 02:43 AM
jesus fedex, it's only an exhibition, can you leave your negativity at the door for once? Wyver is watching it on tv.

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 02:43 AM
cool thanks, glad to see him playing well finally. again much appreciated.

Fedex
01-14-2004, 02:44 AM
pfffft. Why am i rooting for someone who has no chance?? I'll be really rooting for Taylor/David in the next match. Both can & will give roddick serious problems!! ;)

Shy
01-14-2004, 02:44 AM
How is Robby playing?

WyverN
01-14-2004, 02:47 AM
Roddick wins first set 6-1

Ginepri just being blasted of the court at the moment

Fedex
01-14-2004, 02:48 AM
How many aces for Roddick so far! Let me guess he won 40% of his points on ace :mad:

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 02:48 AM
thanks Wyver!

Go Andy! :banana:

MisterQ
01-14-2004, 02:49 AM
Well for your little Andy you'd expect him to win this like 6-0,6-0!!

Your prediction has been very close so far! Good work! ;)

Fedex
01-14-2004, 02:50 AM
Yes, so now i'll be rooting for Andy to win the 2nd 6-0 so then i'll have only been 1 game off.

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 02:51 AM
Fedex, your guy won, why can't you be happy with that and just let us cheer for Andy in peace?

Shy
01-14-2004, 02:54 AM
I hope Robby can win a few more games. Ya know to boost his confidence.

Fedex
01-14-2004, 02:54 AM
Yes, but it wouldent look so good when everyone else wins their matches in esay straight sets, while Federer struggled agaisnt someone who had just come back from an injury.

Shy
01-14-2004, 02:56 AM
Fedex- You expect too much from Roger. He is very talented, but you can't expect him to win 6-0 6-0 everytime he play.

MisterQ
01-14-2004, 02:57 AM
Well, the Fed was able to pull out the win when he was far from his best, that's another way to look at it...

Chloe le Bopper
01-14-2004, 02:57 AM
Fedex, your guy won, why can't you be happy with that and just let us cheer for Andy in peace?
Is this the Andy Roddick forum and nobody told me?

That said, take a sedative there Fedex. It's gonna be OK.

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 02:58 AM
yea but Q that'd be the optimistic way of looking at it :rolleyes:

WyverN
01-14-2004, 02:58 AM
Roddick leading 2-1 in second set with a break

Havok
01-14-2004, 02:58 AM
:eek: wow go Andy!

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:00 AM
Is this the Andy Roddick forum and nobody told me?

That said, take a sedative there Fedex. It's gonna be OK.

Andy happens to be playing at this moment and Wyver is generously giving us scores. When Andre and Taylor and David and Sebastien play, it'll be time to cheer for them :)

Shy
01-14-2004, 03:00 AM
Is Andy way to good for Robby or Robby is playing badly or all the above?

WyverN
01-14-2004, 03:01 AM
Fedex calm down.
Federer was playing at around 30% of his best while Roddick is hardly missing a shot out there. I think Ginepri won 2 points on Roddick's serve only once in the match so far

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:01 AM
WOW.... awesome.... thanks AGAIN Wyver.

Chloe le Bopper
01-14-2004, 03:03 AM
Andy happens to be playing at this moment and Wyver is generously giving us scores. When Andre and Taylor and David and Sebastien play, it'll be time to cheer for them :)
Uh, thanks Mom.

But oyu obviously misunderstood... I was merely pointing out that what you were saying was LAME.

This is not the Roddick forum. He is not the only one on court. If other people want to be pains in the ass and root against him, or they simply happen to like Ginepri, then for you to tell them to let you "cheer for Andy in peace" is pathetically self centered.

Tip: remove head from ass before typing ;)

Fedex
01-14-2004, 03:05 AM
Robby is capable of good tennis, but he cant beat roddick becuse he cant return the serve, plus he must be serving terrible himself . If you cant return his serve you cant beat him(Only in tiebreaks, then)

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:05 AM
*makes some popcorn and sits back* let the insults flowww

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:07 AM
I don't recall Robby being a wonderful server anyway.... he moves pretty well and has good groundies but I don't remember thinking he had a great serve in the few matches I've seen him play.

WyverN
01-14-2004, 03:08 AM
Roddick winning 4-1 with 2 breaks

they are cutting away from the coverage after this match by the way so i wont see Andre v Seb

MisterQ
01-14-2004, 03:09 AM
Roddick winning 4-1 with 2 breaks

they are cutting away from the coverage after this match by the way so i wont see Andre v Seb

Oh that's too bad :sad:

But thanks for covering the first two matches, WyverN.

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:10 AM
they like to do that on Aussie tv huh? lol... anyway yea that is too bad. there's potential for those to be 2 great matches!

lsy
01-14-2004, 03:11 AM
gee...I was just going to say that hope you'll watching other matches and give us analysis too, WyverN.

Anyway thanks for the updates and analysis. Very helpful indeed.

Fedex
01-14-2004, 03:11 AM
No, but is Roddick a great returner? Look at how Nalbandian holds. He usually holds serve, but his return of serve is his real weapon. If Genepri serves half way descent and is hitting penetrating groundies then he should still hold serve against Roddick ;)

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:12 AM
Roddick is an awful returner. who said he wasn't? lol

heya
01-14-2004, 03:12 AM
Robby didn't lose 7 straight matches either.
Of course, Ferrero beating Fed was damn funny too.

Fedex
01-14-2004, 03:12 AM
Which is why Robbie should be holding , obviously!

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:14 AM
heya... what does Juan Carlos have to do with anything? LOL

heya
01-14-2004, 03:14 AM
Didn't know "Genepri" had a wonderful fan! :o

Havok
01-14-2004, 03:15 AM
anyways........

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:16 AM
lol.... poor Robby with a y

Chloe le Bopper
01-14-2004, 03:18 AM
*makes some popcorn and sits back* let the insults flowww
Hypocrite.

Anyways, you'll be pleased to know that I've lost my drivers lisence and have better things to do at the moment.

*excuses herself to go rip her room apart*

WyverN
01-14-2004, 03:18 AM
roddick won 6-1, 6-3

Ginepri actually broke Roddick's serve but then got broken himself straight away to lose the match

Everyone who said thanks, no problem

Fedex
01-14-2004, 03:18 AM
Anyway :rolleyes: I'll be rooting for Andre and David/Taylor. I like them both. Maybe David a bit more, but Taylor's game matches up well with Roddicks. That match up will be a battle of serves.

Havok
01-14-2004, 03:18 AM
man Fedex you're such a good fan of Ginepri. his name is Robbie Ginepri, not Robbie, not Genepri, but Robby Ginepri

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:19 AM
Hypocrite.

Anyways, you'll be pleased to know that I've lost my drivers lisence and have better things to do at the moment.

*excuses herself to go rip her room apart*

why would I be pleased that you lost your license? That sucks, hope you get it worked out.

Fedex
01-14-2004, 03:20 AM
No, I dont claim to be a fan!!

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:21 AM
Nice job Andy :)

Havok
01-14-2004, 03:22 AM
which further proves what we andy fans said in regards to someone who claimed that maybe people just cheer on andy's opponents because they are actual fans. whoever said that, well take a look at this thread, case in point, Fedex:wavey:

Fedex
01-14-2004, 03:24 AM
Don worry Andy, your next match will be just as quick the 1st. Only difference is you'll be the 1 congrats. to your opponent, if you know what i mean ;)

shaoyu
01-14-2004, 03:25 AM
Thanks a lot WyverN! I wish I could see the Federer match but talking about tennis on TV :(

Havok
01-14-2004, 03:25 AM
oh god fedex:yawn: you're about as pathetic/sad as the williams/justine haters over on wtaworld

Fedex
01-14-2004, 03:26 AM
Dont make me laugh Naldo :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

WyverN
01-14-2004, 03:27 AM
whats so bad about cheering on someone who is playing a player you dislike?
I orften do it

J. Corwin
01-14-2004, 03:27 AM
Congrats Roger and Andy. Awesome performance by Andy.

J. Corwin
01-14-2004, 03:27 AM
Oh and thanks WyverN. :)

Fedex
01-14-2004, 03:28 AM
Actually in truth, i hate Andy's pathetic little fans, like yourself, more than him. I'm not a Hater, as you would no if you read my post in the Federer forum.

heya
01-14-2004, 03:28 AM
Sorry to make a sad announcement, but players neither read this
forum, nor do they care if you live vicariously through them. :rocker2:

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:32 AM
whats so bad about cheering on someone who is playing a player you dislike?
I orften do it

I just prefer not to do it. I'd rather just cheer for my faves and hope they do well so they don't even have to worry what others do.... ESPECIALLY in an exhibition!! I'd just rather be more positive about it. And to me on a message board like this where there are people who are fans of everyone, it just seems rude to openly cheer against someone and be mean about it when you know that there are people who like them around.

heya
01-14-2004, 03:33 AM
I "no"...

Shy
01-14-2004, 03:33 AM
whats so bad about cheering on someone who is playing a player you dislike?
I orften do itme too,but only when they play players that I like

MisterQ
01-14-2004, 03:35 AM
Me too, I must admit...

Havok
01-14-2004, 03:41 AM
whats so bad about cheering on someone who is playing a player you dislike?
I orften do it
nothing wrong about doing it, but its the way people do it. instead of cheering on player b because they want player a to lose, they would post thinks like lose player a, you suck player a, instead of go player b, come on player b.

faboozadoo15
01-14-2004, 03:42 AM
ok i at least get yur argument now... i do that all the time... cheer on the other person if i don't like another player. personally, it's way more enjoyable to watch too... someone beating down a player u don't like. maybe it's just me. i don't like to see anyone beat themself really.

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:44 AM
I guess I'm the only idealist in the bunch :shrug:

tangerine_dream
01-14-2004, 03:46 AM
Well, the Fed was able to pull out the win when he was far from his best, that's another way to look at it...

What's that great quote about true champions? Someting about how everybody can win at their best, but a real champion can win when he's not....something to that effect.

MrQ, being an ah-tiste, I'll bet you know this quote by heart. :)

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 03:47 AM
aw tangy's here :hug:

tangerine_dream
01-14-2004, 03:52 AM
roddick won 6-1, 6-3

Wow, Robbie, that was a sad, dehumanizing performance. Time to go tie a bedsheet around your neck and hang it up. :eek:

Andy-pooh!! :rocker2: :banana: Keep playing just like that dude!!

And Fedex, damn girl, please refill that Valium prescription pronto! :rolleyes:

lsy
01-14-2004, 03:53 AM
Though I can't see anything wrong about cheering on (as long as it's not too rowdy or abusive) someone who's playing players you dislike, fedex maybe you could get the name right first :p

And Rebecca...you're almost always right on the point in the most sacarstic way :worship: , I just really can't help laughing at your posts most of the time.

tangerine_dream
01-14-2004, 03:56 AM
aw tangy's here :hug:

Yah! :hug: Late to the party, as always. Great to see Andy pull off an easy win. Wonder how long it took him? 20 minutes?

Chloe le Bopper
01-14-2004, 04:04 AM
I guess I'm the only idealist in the bunch :shrug:
Idealism is irritating and unproductive.

Realism with a bit of positivity is where it's at.

As for my drivers liscence... looks like Rebecca's social life just took a major blow.

Chloe le Bopper
01-14-2004, 04:05 AM
Though I can't see anything wrong about cheering on (as long as it's not too rowdy or abusive) someone who's playing players you dislike, fedex maybe you could get the name right first :p

And Rebecca...you're almost always right on the point in the most sacarstic way :worship: , I just really can't help laughing at your posts most of the time.
Thanks lsy. That's Isy with an "L", btw.

:kiss:

Chloe le Bopper
01-14-2004, 04:07 AM
why would I be pleased that you lost your license? That sucks, hope you get it worked out.
I don't know, really.

I won't find it.

I'll get a new one, and life will go on. Hopefully they can tag my old one so that I have photo ID, though.

Chloe le Bopper
01-14-2004, 04:10 AM
Sorry to make a sad announcement, but players neither read this
forum, nor do they care if you live vicariously through them. :rocker2:
Wow. Insightful.

Did you learn that one in therapy, heya?

Or are you jsut regurgitating what I've been telling you all along?

MisterQ
01-14-2004, 04:12 AM
Does anyone know how the Agassi/Grosjean match is progressing!???

Rebecca, good luck finding your license.

lsy
01-14-2004, 04:18 AM
ya...very funny, Rebecca :mad: . Why do I bother in the first place, just an internet nickname :cuckoo:

But yeah, anybody has any info of the subsequent matches at all?

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 04:25 AM
well it sounds like they stopped showing it on Oz tv and no one else is showing it right? :(

tangerine_dream
01-14-2004, 04:26 AM
I checked reuters and still no info on the Agassi/Grosjean match. I found this though: :D

Stylish Federer Contrasts Explosive Roddick

By Ossian Shine

MELBOURNE (Reuters) - Wimbledon champion Roger Federer displayed deft touch at the Kooyong International while U.S. Open champ Andy Roddick exuded brute force on Wednesday.

Switzerland's Federer blended finesse with force to beat Thomas Johansson, 6-4, 6-7, 6-3, in the eight-man invitational warm-up event for next week's Australian Open.

Following the world number two onto court was top-ranked Roddick and he wasted no time blasting fellow American Robby Ginepri, 6-1, 6-3.

"I was seeing the ball pretty well, playing pretty well out there," a grinning Roddick told reporters.

Federer can look forward to matches against the likes of Roddick and Andre Agassi later in the week should Agassi win his match here on Wednesday.

However Johansson and Ginepri are not out of the action. Under the format of the event, they will get to face other players who lose their opening matches.

"All right," was Federer's low-key response to a question about his form.

"I've played a couple of matches this year so it wasn't the first. I'm not concerned or anything...but I am pleased I have got a few more matches coming up and hopefully I can play better."

Swatting the ball almost effortlessly around court, the stylish and free-hitting Federer made Johansson's compact groundstrokes look industrial at the start.

VICIOUSLY CUT

The pony-tailed Swiss player's viciously cut backhands sliced through the warm wind swirling inside the showcourt arena and his forehand was too powerful to be deviated by the frequent gusts.

Leaping into the air like a latter day Pete Sampras, Federer pinged a smash away into the outer reaches of the arena to clinch the opening set in 33 minutes.

In fairness, Johansson must still be feeling his way around the court having missed almost all of 2003 through a knee injury. Federer possesses every shot in the book and is constantly coming up with new ones.

The match-up, forget Johansson's protected ranking of 23, seemed hardly fair.

But rusty as he is, Johansson, Australian Open champion in 2002, knows his way around a tennis court and stuck to his task.

Never flashy and always solid, the Swede kept his nose in front in the second set, gnawing away at the Federer groundstrokes.

He forced a tiebreak and, against the odds, won it with sharp returning.

It proved to be no more than a delaying tactic, though, as Federer swiftly re-imposed his will.

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 04:28 AM
yea the match is probably still going, and it takes the news wires about a half hour or so to get articles out. The best place to look is probably the draw sheet at the tourney's site. They'd updated it right after Andy won so it's probably the fastest place to get results unfortunately.

lsy
01-14-2004, 04:34 AM
Thanks for the article Tangerine. I can't believe that my TV is still showing that TATA open...wonder how many time they want to rewind those matches.

heya
01-14-2004, 04:36 AM
Nice to know that I didn't sob after Ferrero got beaten by Hewitt@Masters Cup, and then advised people not to live vicariously through tennis players.

WyverN
01-14-2004, 04:46 AM
they are showing adidas international in australia so got no idea how agassi/grosjean are progressing

shaoyu
01-14-2004, 04:48 AM
yea the match is probably still going, and it takes the news wires about a half hour or so to get articles out. The best place to look is probably the draw sheet at the tourney's site. They'd updated it right after Andy won so it's probably the fastest place to get results unfortunately.

Highly doubt though many official websites (except for Grand Slams) update the score the next day. Looks like this commbankinternational is no exception. They still have last year's score at their scoreboard page and someone did one hell of a job to locate their draw gif! :)

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 04:48 AM
Agassi d Grosjean 6/3 6/3

asotgod
01-14-2004, 04:49 AM
True that the website updates the draw regularly. For anyone interested, Federer's interview after his match can be obtained from this:

http://www.commbankinternational.com/pr/Jan142004.htm

Thanks.

asotgod.

MisterQ
01-14-2004, 04:51 AM
Agassi d Grosjean 6/3 6/3

:woohoo:

(how do you know, bunk?)

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 04:53 AM
it's up on the tourney site :)

I wouldn't make it up just to tease you, Q!

Chloe le Bopper
01-14-2004, 04:56 AM
ya...very funny, Rebecca :mad: . Why do I bother in the first place, just an internet nickname :cuckoo:

But yeah, anybody has any info of the subsequent matches at all?
:D

Chloe le Bopper
01-14-2004, 04:57 AM
Nice to know that I didn't sob after Ferrero got beaten by Hewitt@Masters Cup, and then advised people not to live vicariously through tennis players.
Awww, special. Did you learn that in therapy too? :D

heya
01-14-2004, 05:01 AM
I can drive myself to therapy.
I kept my "license" in a safe place.

lsy
01-14-2004, 05:06 AM
wow, thanks Bunk for the update. Sounds like a pretty convincing win for Andre. Well done!

Chloe le Bopper
01-14-2004, 05:07 AM
I can drive myself to therapy.
I kept my "license" in a safe place.
I'm surprised that you qualify for a "license", heya.

Are you sure that you don't just ride the short bus to therapy? :)

J. Corwin
01-14-2004, 05:11 AM
congrats to Andre

At least some semblance of obtaining scores here