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Woodbridge anger at Rusedski

JonBcn
01-12-2004, 05:01 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/3390215.stm

Todd Woodbridge has urged Greg Rusedski to stop defending himself in public following his positive drugs test.
The Australian, vice-president of the ATP's player council, urged Rusedski to focus on fighting his case at the official tribunal on 9 February.

"He has an opportunity to prove [his innocence]. If he can, he won't be given a suspension," said Woodbridge.

"He is basically putting himself on trial to the public. I think that was the wrong way to go about it."

Rusedski was told he had tested positive for nandrolone during Great Britain's Davis Cup tie in Morocco in September.

But he revealed his identity last week after rumours began to circulate about the positive test

He complained he had been "singled out" by the ATP, but Woodbridge said that was not case.

"The process has not been tainted by the ATP or the players," Woodbridge.

"It has been busted by Greg opening up.

"My job is to go into the locker room and ram down the guys' throats that they can't do what Greg has done."

Woodbridge defended the testing system used in tennis, saying it mirrored that in place at the International Olympic Committee (IOC).

"I heard him say he wanted to sue the ATP. Then he may as well sue the IOC, the ITF (International Tennis Federation) and the ATP all at once because it is the same guideline the whole way through."

Woodbridge also said Rusedski should not rely on his fellow professionals for support.

"It's a pretty selfish world in tennis. Everybody is playing head-to-head and they want to have a leg up and be just that bit ahead," said Woodbridge.

"They know he is going through turmoil and I think they would be trying to use that to their advantage."

CooCooCachoo
01-12-2004, 05:05 PM
"My job is to go into the locker room and ram down the guys' throats that they can't do what Greg has done."

Now now.. he always seemed like such a friendly guy :P I do hope Greg, if innocent, does get some support from his colleagues.

tangerine_dream
01-12-2004, 05:07 PM
This guy has press conferences and issues statements practically every day! Methinks Roidsedski is secretly thrilled to be getting so much media attention focused on him for once instead of Timbledon hogging it all for himself. ;)

Lee
01-12-2004, 07:23 PM
I may not agree with what Greg did but I'm amazed by what Woodbridge said. If he followed his advice, he should talk to Greg in locker rooms instead announcing this to the media. And when the VP in ATP player's council said players should not rely on his fellow professionals for support, I was absolutely speechless. Well, what's the purpose of having a union like ATP then?

lemas
01-12-2004, 07:50 PM
Woodbridge is an idiot.

Is he aware how famous Rusedski is in Britain, and that by a considerable margin, the British press are the most, vicious, evil and spiteful in the world. If Rusedski had played the "silent martyr" card for a month, he needn't have bothered returning home, because the British press would have had the British public ready to lynch Rusedski.
There have been so many recent drug cheats in British sport, that staying silent might as well have been an admission of guilt by Rusedski. By being as open as he is, he's not looking like a guilty man.

If Woodbridge had to live with the scrutiny of the British media, he'd understand that Rusedski made a very smart decision to come out fighting like he did.

As for Woodbridge almost "hoping" that no one comes out to support Rusedski, I'm speechless. This is a Union?

Guys like Woodbridge and Pat Cash disappoint me. I'm sure Greg isn't that popular, and that he's had his run-ins with Cash, but Cash is being a blantant opputunistic A-hole by using Greg's current situation as a means to get some "payback" in the media. Is he really that petty?

Sjengster
01-12-2004, 08:07 PM
I'm not sure about Woodbridge (though the lack of support suggestion does seem a little dubious), but Cash has been an A-hole through and through for as long as I can remember. He's constantly shooting his mouth off and making glib, ill-informed and foolish comments not just about individial players but about tennis in general, such as when he suggested after the Karlovic upset at Wimbledon that players of his ilk would dominate the game in the future - you know, the theory about big-serving giants that was first advanced about ten years ago and then subsequently disproved? His repeated insistence that Philippoussis is the most talented player he's ever seen is also a little bizarre, granted he's coached the man closely but from the way he describes him you'd think he was another McEnroe in the making.

Kiara
01-12-2004, 08:23 PM
This was in the Guardian yesterday :
It was probably the shortest press conference Greg Rusedski has ever given and undoubtedly the least informative, but the fact that the British No2 was speaking at all yesterday was newsworthy enough to pack an interview room on the eve of the week-long Adidas International tournament.

After spending the previous day trying to ignore the increasingly hot and irritated journalists and photographers trailing him around the Sydney Tennis Centre, Rusedski broke his silence to rebuff suggestions that his colleagues in the locker room have turned against him following his positive drug test for nandrolone.

"I just wanted to say a few words," a rather drawn-looking and pale Rusedski began. "I have just been very encouraged by the reaction from people. I have had nothing but support from people. Even in the locker room I have been particularly pleased by the players' reaction - they have been very positive and sympathetic towards me.

"At this stage I have nothing further to add. If you have any questions please feel free to direct them to my lawyer because I just want to concentrate on my tennis right now. That's what I do for a living, that's what I love to do and that's why I'm here in Australia." Some hope.

Each stroke of his practice sessions has been followed by television cameras and photographers. He has taken to having minders with him on court and anyone watching Rusedski and his security marching about might be forgiven for thinking they had spotted a rogue boy-band member and his entourage. Certainly his new fame has been noted by fellow players.

He arrived in Sydney wearing a black polo neck and Aviator sunglasses, as though dressed to audition for a Milk Tray advert. Another player - ranked considerably higher than Rusedski - who was on the same flight from Adelaide was unimpressed to see him ushered on to the aircraft at the last minute and taken through security before anyone else. "It was a bit much," he said. "No one is even sure why he's playing here with everything else going on. I wouldn't be surprised if he was just here for the attention. Greg's done some funny things in his time."

Lleyton Hewitt took a more generous view and said that he, for one, would not be ostracising the Briton despite his positive test. "I'd say hello to him," said Hewitt. "I'm not really that close to Greg but I wouldn't ignore him or anything, that's for sure. You can't find a guy guilty until he's actually proven guilty."

It is not surprising that Rusedski has found a tentative ally in Hewitt, who is no friend to the Association of Tennis Professionals. The Australian said the high number of positive tests between August 2002 and May 2003, which went unpunished after the ATP blamed contaminated electrolyte supplements handed out by its own trainers, called into doubt the organisation's drug-testing procedures.

"I think you are always wary, the whole time, about what goes into your body. It's a tough situation because there have been problems in the whole testing of it," said Hewitt. "I guess it does worry everybody."

It says something about the way Rusedski's presence is eclipsing everything else that far fewer people turned out to hear Hewitt talking about his preparations for his home grand slam later this month than jostled to hear Rusedski.

The world No119 was due to play his first match in this warm-up event this morning against Juan Ignacio Chela, the Argentinian banned for three months and thrown out of the world's top 500 in April 2001 after testing positive for the steroid methyltestosterone.

The notoriety of Rusedski's positive test may have done little for his reputation in Britain but it has given him a certain celebrity cachet here. Along with the tape recorders and cameras thrust at him after practice yesterday were a number of autograph books, which he duly signed.

When Rusedski made the decision to play here after going public with the news of his positive test, he must have known he would be bait for a media feeding frenzy. Even more bizarrely, for all that he is being smuggled through back doors by security men, he has opted to stay at the same hotel as many of the press - hardly the way to keep a low profile.

Amélie Mauresmo made a valiant attempt to grab some of Rusedski's limelight yesterday by criticising the Australian Open's decision to seed Venus Williams at No3 despite the fact that the American has not played since Wimbledon and is currently ranked 11th in the world. "I feel like I have been penalised because she is injured," said Mauresmo, who would have been seeded third but for Williams's elevation.

Who's taking whose side in the blame game:

"Greg is responsible for what's in his body, as no one forced him to take anything. Everyone will appreciate that saying 'I don't know how it got there' is not an acceptable excuse."

Deborah Jevans , International Tennis Federation general secretary

"Our drugs testing programme is stellar and comprehensive and internationally recognised as one of the top testing programmes. We would have to determine whether Rusedski's case occurred before May 2003 [when ATP trainers officially stopped giving out supplements]. Assuming he was able to demonstrate he took them during that period [when seven tested positive but were cleared] he could be declared innocent."

David Higdon , ATP spokesman

"If you use the rule where you're responsible for what's in your body, everyone must be treated equally. If we're saying you're guilty if something is found in your system, that means the guys last year were guilty - but they were let off. You can't have one situation for one and one for the other."

David Lloyd , former Davis Cup captain

"I want to concentrate on my game of tennis right now, that is what I do for a living and that is why I am in Australia."

Greg Rusedski

Advantage
01-12-2004, 09:06 PM
It is Rusedski who deserves to be shunned by the other players.

He's the one who made this public.

His attitude from the start is basically "if I'm going down, I'm taking you all with me".

Pointing fingers at others is a shitty thing to do.

It's no different than someone getting busted for coke and instead of just quietly taking his lumps he turns in everyone else he ever partied with. Shitty imo.

Darran
01-12-2004, 09:26 PM
It is Rusedski who deserves to be shunned by the other players.

He's the one who made this public.

His attitude from the start is basically "if I'm going down, I'm taking you all with me".

Pointing fingers at others is a shitty thing to do.

It's no different than someone getting busted for coke and instead of just quietly taking his lumps he turns in everyone else he ever partied with. Shitty imo.

Absolute nonsense. You are innocent til proven guilty!

If you were accused of being a drug cheat, I am assuming you would just sit there, take 3 months off tennis til the appeal, keep quiet and let everyone talk about you behind your back and disappear into the darkness would you?

Here is a man who whether accidently(which i believe) or on purpose took a banned substance. He believes he is innocent and wants to state his case... why the hell shouldnt he tell the world the similarities in his case with the others which were let off.

For all we know the people who tested positive the last time round could have included Agassi, Roddick, Federer and the likes, so anyones favourite is not "wholly innocent" coz we will never know. I'm damn sure if one of those players had been in Greg's situation they would have done the exact same thing as he is doing now.

star
01-12-2004, 10:42 PM
Here's the deal. You are not innocent until proven guilty. That is balderdash. Either you did it or you didn't do it. It may be that it can't be proven that you did it, but that doesn't mean you are innocent.

It's like some teenager denying that he did something because his parents can't "prove" it.

Even under the law it does not say that someone is innocent until proven guilty. It only says (and this is in the U.S. and not necessiarily other countries) that there is a "presumption" of innocence at the trial of a criminal matter. There is no presumption of innocence in non criminal matters.

Sjengster
01-12-2004, 10:51 PM
Yes, but proof happens to be a rather important thing in our legal system star, thankfully. What the above poster really meant was that he should be treated as innocent until proven guilty, which is an entirely acceptable proposition. That means treated as innocent of knowingly taking the drug, not taking it full stop - that has already been proved.

star
01-12-2004, 11:09 PM
I don't know what you mean by "treated."

He is being treated as innocent. He's still playing tennis.

People are always going to speculate about these things and that can't be stopped. I don't know whether he took drugs or not. I don't have an opinion, but if others do, that's ok with me.

J. Corwin
01-12-2004, 11:10 PM
I'm quite surprised at some of the comments Todd made.

WyverN
01-12-2004, 11:19 PM
I think Todd wanted a slice of attention

star
01-12-2004, 11:26 PM
It's actually been proven that he had the drug in his system. Now Greg has an opportunity to show that he didn't ingest it purposfully.

The Olympics has a strict no fault rule on this, so it's not unusual. Even if someone takes a substance unknowingly (and the USOC isn't involved) they are penalized.

michelleg
01-12-2004, 11:39 PM
Todd's comments come as a shock to me, as I had always figured him to be a level headed and fair minded person. I believe that his comments reflect his position on the ATP Player Council and the official "legal" ATP position.

However, his choice of words (he's no spin doctor, thats for sure) also indicated that the ATP is indeed absolute, arbitrary and authoritarian in its dealings with the players. To not permit a player the freedom of speech and ability to publicly defend one's person is RIDICULOUS. To intimidate OTHER players and dictate their behaviour is absurd.

I highly suggest that everyone and anyone peruse the data concerning drug testing results of tennis players in 2002. I know what I extrapolated from it, I'd like to hear others' inferences.

Deboogle!.
01-13-2004, 05:41 AM
Didn't know where else to put this... in the Kooyong press conference the players talk a lot about this, especially andy and Andre but I think they say a lot of great things. Basically just to focus on the positive things about tennis.

http://www.commbankinternational.com/pr/Jan132004.htm

Experimentee
01-13-2004, 03:35 PM
I disagree with Todd on this, why should Rusedski not attempt to defend himself if he knows that he was badly done by? Everyone would assume he was guilty of knowingly taking the drugs if he did not speak up at all. He has a good point in his statement, and he should be allowed to go public with it or his reputation will be further tainted.

Sjengster
01-13-2004, 03:43 PM
What this shows above all else is that there are wildly conflicting opinions and voices in the ATP, you'll hear one thing from a tour official and something completely different from a player on the same issue. There's no co-ordination at all, they really do need to unify the sport and get better communication.

RebelNYC
01-13-2004, 03:52 PM
I am such a cynic, but I think Greg LOVES the attention - he loves
getting his name in print! Scuse me, I gotta go barf!

michelleg
01-13-2004, 03:52 PM
Sjengster, you are absolutely correct. If the ATP had proper management, there would have been a professionally written public statement issued by a legal and public relations team that would have issued an initial response to Rusedski's public claims. It would have been posted on the official website and made available in press release as well. Silence, in combination with Woodbridge's off the cuff remarks, doesn't bode well for the ATP's public image.

Where is Wayne Ferreira when we need him???

Leo
01-13-2004, 09:50 PM
I may not agree with what Greg did but I'm amazed by what Woodbridge said. If he followed his advice, he should talk to Greg in locker rooms instead announcing this to the media. And when the VP in ATP player's council said players should not rely on his fellow professionals for support, I was absolutely speechless. Well, what's the purpose of having a union like ATP then?

Well said. Woodbridge is a major hypocrite.

And why should Rusedski make this a private matter? He has a legitimate case against the ATP if he is, in fact, innocent. Plus this explanation is only fair to his world-wide supporters. Woodrbidge seems to want to protect the ATP from bad publicity - not working.

Leo
01-13-2004, 10:01 PM
I don't know what you mean by "treated."

He is being treated as innocent. He's still playing tennis.

People are always going to speculate about these things and that can't be stopped. I don't know whether he took drugs or not. I don't have an opinion, but if others do, that's ok with me.

We have to assume that Rusedski is innocent until the trial when he will be proven either guilty or not guilty. But that's what the expression "innocent until proven guity" means. He may be guilty, true, but, to be fair, we have to give him the benefit of the doubt as of now.