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MARAT WON (again)

Vass
01-08-2004, 05:16 AM
6-7 7-6 6-3

Action Jackson
01-08-2004, 05:17 AM
Yes, he hung in there and gained more valuable match practice.

MisterQ
01-08-2004, 05:17 AM
Great work Marat! Down a set and a break and he still pulled it out. Shows he is willing to fight this year! :)

Action Jackson
01-08-2004, 05:19 AM
Mister Q, Safin has it in him, it's a just a question whether he wants to do it consistently. Actually on that 5 set record post I posted a while ago, he has one of the better ones, he can do it. Now he just needs to fight, just like when he had Chesnokov as his coach.

Shadow
01-08-2004, 05:20 AM
:woohoo:

great fight Marat :) this match was a test for him and he pulled it through. Important win! :D

Jessi
01-08-2004, 05:22 AM
:woohoo: Congrats Marat! :bounce:

WyverN
01-08-2004, 06:16 AM
there are two certainties on MTF. A new thread will be made whenever Safin wins or Roddick loses.

Action Jackson
01-08-2004, 06:26 AM
Or when Hewitt loses.

WyverN
01-08-2004, 06:39 AM
I don't think so George. Hewitt loses are to be expected almost anytime.

Action Jackson
01-08-2004, 06:41 AM
Too bad his last major victories were against Federer and Ferrero. Once he starts playing on the main tour, the Potato thread will wake up from its slumber.

WyverN
01-08-2004, 06:44 AM
And pigs will fly.

Action Jackson
01-08-2004, 06:51 AM
What was that in reference to Wyver? I will explain it again once Hewitt starts losing on the tour, the Potato peeler thread equiv to the Duck hunt will become more active.

WyverN
01-08-2004, 06:54 AM
What was that in reference to Wyver? I will explain it again once Hewitt starts losing on the tour, the Potato peeler thread equiv to the Duck hunt will become more active.

As far as I am concerned he hasn't stopped losing for a while. For Hewitt hate threads to surface, Hewitt would actually need to win a major again, and that will happen when pigs fly.

Action Jackson
01-08-2004, 06:59 AM
Thanks for clearing that WyverN. So, you think he needs to win a Slam or TMS for the hate threads to surface?

If he starts performing consistently, and acts on court like he has in the past, it won't take long to surface.

WyverN
01-08-2004, 07:05 AM
Yeah I think a player is more hated when he is close to the top. Many hated Sampras just because he was #1 for so long.

In these forums you have a lot of people sweating on Andys every match, hoping that he will lose. I bet close to the same was happening 12 months ago with Hewitt but now that he has had a very average year his losses are not vscrutinised as much as they were before.

Action Jackson
01-08-2004, 07:13 AM
A bit like a dormant volcano with Hewitt then? You know it's there, it's just waiting to erupt at the right moment.

The Sampras comment is true enough, he was a never fave of mine, but I always had respect for his game and achievements. The whole Rafter thing would be the only occassion where maybe acted not the way it was expected, on court he was a true sportsman.

I think the thing with Hewitt is no matter how many people dislike him, most have a grudging respect for his achievements whether they want to admit it or not. That's something I don't see with Roddick as yet, it may happen in the future but not now.

WyverN
01-08-2004, 07:16 AM
You have to respect achievements as they are already achieved.

You can speculate those achievements will not be repeated in the future, as I am doing with Hewitt.

Action Jackson
01-08-2004, 07:29 AM
I am skeptical about Roddick backing up his excellent 2003 consistently, just as you are convinced that Hewitt won't improve or achieve anything in the future.

FanOfHewitt
01-08-2004, 07:31 AM
As far as I am concerned he hasn't stopped losing for a while. For Hewitt hate threads to surface, Hewitt would actually need to win a major again, and that will happen when pigs fly.

Wyvern, in a day and age where the Albert Costas and Thomas Johanssons of the world can win grand slams and the likes of Verkerk can get to a final, what makes you so sure that Hewitt will never win a grand slam again? That is a HUGE call! Are you just being polemic or are you serious?

I find if funny that you back the likes of Roddick and Federer who have had one good year each and you totally discard Hewitt who spent 2 years on top (together with another top ten finish. If he wanted to play a full schedule he would have been in the top ten again this year for the 4th year.) WTF?

Anyway, I give you credit for being so bold in your claim given the amount of shit you would cop if Hewitt won another major.

esther
01-08-2004, 07:32 AM
Was a very very entertaining match
Well done marat!

Jessi
01-08-2004, 07:40 AM
*ahem* back to the thread topic :p Here's a nice article about Marat's win.

Safin leads Russians to Hopman victory
Thu 8 January, 2004 07:29


By Ossian Shine

PERTH, Australia, Jan 8 (Reuters) - Marat Safin muscled his way past Jiri Novak 6-7 7-6 6-3 on Thursday to give his Russian side a Hopman Cup victory over the Czech Republic.

Earlier at the A$1 million ITF mixed team competition Anastasia Myskina did enough to silence surprise package Barbora Strycova 6-3 7-6.

The victories put Russia into a semi-final shootout with the U.S. team of Lindsay Davenport and James Blake to decide who meets Australia in Saturday's final.

Safin's world ranking of 77 -- caused by missing the best part of 2003 with a wrist injury -- is in no way a reflection of his abilities.

The mighty Russian, a former world number one and grand slam champion, belongs in the most rarefied of company on the tour.

On Thursday his pedigree was laid bare for all to see as he stood toe-to-toe with the world number 13 and absorbed all the Czech could throw at him.

Whipping his forehand crosscourt for winners and pummelling backhands onto the lines, Safin slowly took command of the contest on Burswood Dome's indoor court.

His serve kept Novak guessing throughout and the Russian sealed victory with the 21st and 22nd aces.

"I was fighting well," Safin smiled. "He had chances but I would not give up… I think it was a great match."

Safin's sometimes hot-headed antics seem to be a thing of the past.

"I am trying to stay calm out there and it is working for me," he said.

The pair said they were looking forward to taking on the U.S. on Friday. "Anastasia has a great chance of beating Lindsay," Safin said. "She is playing great tennis."

WyverN
01-08-2004, 07:41 AM
Wyvern, in a day and age where the Albert Costas and Thomas Johanssons of the world can win grand slams and the likes of Verkerk can get to a final, what makes you so sure that Hewitt will never win a grand slam again? That is a HUGE call! Are you just being polemic or are you serious?


Totally serious. Trust me, I am not saying these things about Hewitt to annoy his fans or anything like that.

Verkerk and Johansson got their luck and so has Hewitt at Wimbledon 2002 and USO 01. He is a steady #10 type player who has massively overachieved due to his superior mental strength and should be falling around the 4th round of slams.


I find if funny that you back the likes of Roddick and Federer who have had one good year each and you totally discard Hewitt who spent 2 years on top (together with another top ten finish. If he wanted to play a full schedule he would have been in the top ten again this year for the 4th year.) WTF?


Roddick and Federer have the game to dominate, Hewitt doesn't. It is that simple really.


Anyway, I give you credit for being so bold in your claim given the amount of shit you would cop if Hewitt won another major.

A lot of people will be agreeing with me this time next year.

KCVH
01-08-2004, 09:05 AM
Wow, Great Marat

Jazzy
01-08-2004, 09:10 AM
congrats marat, great win!!

lsy
01-08-2004, 09:29 AM
Stupid me for having to on my computer before the TV. Anyway still enjoyed the match as much though knowing the outcome. Great match from both players!!! Marat did look much calm and cool on court as he claimed.

Lady
01-08-2004, 09:46 AM
:woohoo: Great fighting Marat!!

heya
01-08-2004, 10:47 AM
One thing's for sure...it's a big mistake to dismiss a young player-from his early teens to his early 20s.

maratski
01-08-2004, 10:51 AM
:woohoo:

Care to explain that Heya?

TheBoiledEgg
01-08-2004, 11:02 AM
well done Marat :D :)
a great idea to play here where he's got 3 matches for sure and its working out well.

Marat, good fighting and even better the wins :)

Now if only he can draw Shuettler in rd1 and then make up for lost 2003 ;)

heya
01-08-2004, 12:24 PM
Some folks said it took too long
for a player to succeed in junior and pro competition.
For others, it's out of the blue that he reached #1 before their imaginary, assigned schedule. lmao
:haha:

Billabong
01-08-2004, 01:18 PM
Great to see Marat back:)!

tangerine_dream
01-08-2004, 03:34 PM
Can't wait to see how Safin performs in the slams. ;)

maratski
01-08-2004, 04:03 PM
Marat has always been very lucky ;) and I've got this feeling he draws a top 8 seed in AO.

Lady
01-08-2004, 04:09 PM
I believe this Top 8 seed will be really thankful ;)

Ma. Estefania
01-08-2004, 04:33 PM
Great! :bounce:

I hope he can keep that level during the whole year, or at least at the biggest tournaments. :)

Go Marat!

Tennis Fool
01-08-2004, 11:16 PM
Yeah I think a player is more hated when he is close to the top.
Safin and Rafter were never hated. Agassi got more popular when he began to reign at the top.

Many hated Sampras just because he was #1 for so long.

That and because of his serve/serve/browflick tennis.

Chloe le Bopper
01-08-2004, 11:32 PM
Yeah I think a player is more hated when he is close to the top.

If this is fact, where is the Federer hate? Federer haters? Are you out there? Hellloooooo? *echo*

Chloe le Bopper
01-08-2004, 11:34 PM
By the way, the original Quack thread is something like 2 years old. So give me a break with the "they are hated on because they are doing well". Players like Roddick and Hewitt were "hated on" long before they "made it". Although it certainly got worse once they did, I'll give you that :)

Erm.. woohoo Safin!

Just don't draw Ferrero in Australia. Grar. That would be maddening. Don't draw anybody else I like, for that matter.

WyverN
01-08-2004, 11:37 PM
If this is fact, where is the Federer hate? Federer haters? Are you out there? Hellloooooo? *echo*

Federer has never even been #1.

If Federer begins to dominate for the next 5 years you don't think he will get plenty of haters?

Chloe le Bopper
01-09-2004, 12:07 AM
Federer has never even been #1.

If Federer begins to dominate for the next 5 years you don't think he will get plenty of haters?
You said: "Yeah I think a player is more hated when he is close to the top. "

Therefore, I'm not really sure what being number 1 has to do with anything.

That said, yes, I'm sure if he dominates ala Sampras, people will get sick of him and want him to crawl into a hole and die.

For the time being, he's had roughly the same success as Roddick, and you don't see too many people praying for him to lose every match.

Being at the top is definately a factor in being "hated" on a lot... but so is personality.

I don't recall seeing a lot of negativity when it was Safin in Roddick's position, or Federer being close to that position.

Chloe le Bopper
01-09-2004, 12:07 AM
I should have said "personality and exposure", btw.

Fedex
01-09-2004, 02:30 AM
Sorry for the stupid question(im to lazy to find out myself) but who did safin play against. This sounds like good news for Safin.(It certainly took mental strength and interest in the match to come back like he did/

Fedex
01-09-2004, 02:31 AM
Oh and I would LOVE to see Federer dominate the way Pete did.

Action Jackson
01-09-2004, 02:38 AM
He played Novak.

Action Jackson
01-09-2004, 02:44 AM
Actually Guga when he was near the top of the ranking was far from hated, ditto for Safin and Federer.

As her regalness has said it's more about personality, disposition and for some people the type of game that a particular player has that contribute to whether they are loathed/disliked or not.

Yes, that goes without saying if someone dominates for years on end, they are going to sick of the domination and want people to knock them off the top.