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A double for Spain

Hispanica
01-06-2004, 11:04 PM
Now that Alex Corretja has withdrawn from Davis Cup until he plays better, the possibilities for the double are bigger than ever :help: . The Spanish captains even think of including Carlos Moya or Juan Carlos Ferrero if the tie is played on hard court. :banghead:

But which 2 players would you pick??? :scratch:

I'd pick Tommy Robredo and Rafael Nadal because Tommy plays doubles all year long for 2 years now and he plans playing with Rafael this year. Being both young it would also be a possibility for many years. :clap2:

Chloe le Bopper
01-06-2004, 11:08 PM
Playing Ferrero in doubles would be a BAD idea.

Robredo-Nadal is, imo, a very good idea. They are playing this week, next week, and at the Australia Open. If they do well, I say "give them a chance".

Chloe le Bopper
01-06-2004, 11:09 PM
I'd have been interested to see Robredo and Lopez, btw, but seeing as they aren't practicing together, that isn't really an option at the moment.

MisterQ
01-06-2004, 11:11 PM
Having STILL not seen Nadal in action (ugggh) I cannot really comment on him, but he sounds like an excellent player, and Robredo/Nadal would probably be effective AND entertaining!

Chloe le Bopper
01-06-2004, 11:12 PM
Having STILL not seen Nadal in action (ugggh) I cannot really comment on him, but he sounds like an excellent player, and Robredo/Nadal would probably be effective AND entertaining!
He's in a bit of singles slump at the moment. Hopefully he snaps out of it.

michelleg
01-06-2004, 11:28 PM
Having seen Tommy play dubs with Ranier in both Montreal and Bercy, well, uhhhmmm, my personal opinion is that his doubles game could use some refinement to say the very least.

I've never seen Feli play doubles, never seen Nadal play doubles, but know that Vicente plays a far better doubles game than Robredo.

Theres my vote.

WyverN
01-06-2004, 11:35 PM
Lopez should definetly be one of the players due to his serve/volley

Chloe le Bopper
01-06-2004, 11:55 PM
Lopez should definetly be one of the players due to his serve/volley
Yeah... I really don't know why they don't have him playing with another Spaniard during the Australian Season. Robredo-Nadal was encouraged by the Federation, btw... it wasn't their idea, so to speak.

Any combination using those three would be the best, imo.... although I am a tad confused why they didn't try Robredo-Lopez? I say they should use those three, though, because odds are they will be playing Davis Cup singles in the future.

Chloe le Bopper
01-06-2004, 11:57 PM
Having seen Tommy play dubs with Ranier in both Montreal and Bercy, well, uhhhmmm, my personal opinion is that his doubles game could use some refinement to say the very least.

I've never seen Feli play doubles, never seen Nadal play doubles, but know that Vicente plays a far better doubles game than Robredo.

Theres my vote.
I didn't think that Robredo's doubles game was that bad? I've only seen him play once though, and I was guaging this based on the fact that he was up against one of the best doubles teams in the world (Bjorkman and Woodbridge)... and playing with Portas ;)

Regardless... he's a better choice than Ferrero, Moya, or Costa, imo. For doubles, that is. For singles, I'd still go with Costa over him.

Man, Costa. Would you be a bit irked if you got passed over for... Robredo and Nadal?! After getting passed over in the finals last year? Damn. They should have tried Lopez with Costa ;)

Chloe le Bopper
01-07-2004, 12:07 AM
About Vicente... he only won 8 matches in 18 doubles tournaments last year... and doesn't even have a single doubles title.

So I'm not sure that I can see any arguement in playing him... even over Nadal... who I don't really think should be playing yet (not when Lopez-Robredo was an option)

michelleg
01-07-2004, 12:11 AM
Sitting with all five spectators at Ranier and Tommy's match in Bercy, I found myself actually chuckling over some of his shot selections and court movement. Ranier was even laughing a few times.

He played much better in Montreal than in Bercy, maybe it was just the whole coaching change, couldn't tell you, but his mind was just NOT there.

WyverN
01-07-2004, 12:11 AM
Any combination using those three would be the best, imo.... although I am a tad confused why they didn't try Robredo-Lopez? I

They are probably scared to use Lopez again after he got thrashed in the DC doubles in Australia so badly. They probably don't realise he has the game to be a great doubles player.

michelleg
01-07-2004, 12:14 AM
No title, but he and Ferrer were in the finals at Acapulco last year.

Fernando's problem with tennis is waking up and deciding if he feels like playing on any given day. He is exceptionally talented, but not exceptionally motivated. I am sure his federation is well aware of that, just threw out his name because he happens to be one of my favorites.

Chloe le Bopper
01-07-2004, 12:31 AM
They are probably scared to use Lopez again after he got thrashed in the DC doubles in Australia so badly. They probably don't realise he has the game to be a great doubles player.
That's too bad... I'm sure they'll consider him in the future. Heck, they might even end up using him this time around. I would hope that they would, since he'd be a better backup singles player indoors than either Nadal or Robredo would be.

Michelle... I have to be honest, and say that I've only seen Vicente play once. That was at the USO against Nadal, where Nadal kicked his butt rather soundly. Granted, this could have been one of the days he wasn't motivated to play. Though I find it surprising that he'd "let" himself get kicked by a 17 year old... but stranger things have happened.

TennisLurker
01-07-2004, 12:32 AM
I would go with Lopez Costa

michelleg
01-07-2004, 12:38 AM
Yep, that was this past year. I think he was a little miffed about not being able to come hang in Miami inbetween Cincy and the USO....just my uneducated guess and all...

That very same tournament Verdasco took out Robredo in the first round as well. AND Scotty Draper made Moya work hard for a win...

Feli has a beautiful game for dubs, and the doubles would most certainly clean up his volleys as well. I still have no clue about Nadal's game, hope to catch him play in IW and Miami...

Chloe le Bopper
01-07-2004, 12:44 AM
Yep, that was this past year. I think he was a little miffed about not being able to come hang in Miami inbetween Cincy and the USO....just my uneducated guess and all...

That very same tournament Verdasco took out Robredo in the first round as well. AND Scotty Draper made Moya work hard for a win...

Feli has a beautiful game for dubs, and the doubles would most certainly clean up his volleys as well. I still have no clue about Nadal's game, hope to catch him play in IW and Miami...
I was at Verdasco-Robredo. Erm. Robredo got his butt kicked ;)

Leo
01-07-2004, 12:59 AM
I would go with Lopez Costa

Agreed. This is probably the best choice at the moment. Lopez has a natural lefty serve and volley game while Costa has great potential for doubles. I saw him play some singles last year and his network was quite handy, a very under-rated part of his game.

If Costa's not up for Davis Cup and is struggling to win matches again, I'd pick Robredo to play with Lopez. Nadal is still too young, unexperienced, and probably doesn't have the physical endurance yet to successfully compete in best of 5 set matches.

Leo
01-07-2004, 01:01 AM
Oh, Verdasco's another interesting option. He's also got a lefty serve and is supposed to be good friends with Lopez. Their chemistry would come in handy together in doubles. But I'm not sure he's ready yet. We'll have to see how far he progresses over these next few months.

Lots of young Spanish talent, eh?

Hispanica
01-07-2004, 01:05 AM
Yeah as you say lots of young spanish talents and IMO they should choose among those players.

Chloe le Bopper
01-07-2004, 08:38 PM
The more I think about it, the more I'm confused with them throwing Nadal and Robredo together when they had so many other options to go on... ie; Lopez-Robredo... Lopez, btw, is playing doubles in Australia with Mirnyi... :confused:

Leo
01-08-2004, 12:02 AM
The more I think about it, the more I'm confused with them throwing Nadal and Robredo together when they had so many other options to go on... ie; Lopez-Robredo... Lopez, btw, is playing doubles in Australia with Mirnyi... :confused:

Max always seems to have some strange partners for Australia. Last year it was Jeff Morrison in Sydney and Vladimir Voltchkov for Melbourne - although I guess that made sense with Davis Cup coming up. They didn't do well at all. I'm sure he'll pair up again with Mahesh Bhupathi later this year.

JeLuliA88
01-08-2004, 01:04 AM
Choosing moya and ferrero would be a bad idea... they should give lopez and costa a chance.

Jazzy
01-08-2004, 10:24 AM
sowwy, i disagree, i think lopez & robredo!

michelleg
01-08-2004, 01:08 PM
Rebecca, I wonder if that pairing with Max isn't a sign that Lopez will indeed be playing doubles in DC...Feli couldn't have a better person to teach him how a great serve-volley singles game translates into a doubles game (ok well maybe Pat Rafter...) but still, Max has a very similar game, and stylistically, Feli could really learn tons from Max.

JonBcn
01-08-2004, 02:43 PM
I wish Balcells could get some singles form together; he's easily the best doubles player from Spain when he's on form :(

Hispanica
01-08-2004, 02:54 PM
I agree with you Jon, Balcells is the best double player from Spain but unfortunatly, he is not playing that well at the moment and I don't think the captains will take him back... of all the articles I read in spanish, they didn't talk about him at all...

Experimentee
01-08-2004, 04:38 PM
The best choice is Robredo partnered with Lopez. I've seen Robredo play many doubles matches (7 i think) over two years at the Hopman Cup, and also at the AO and he is just so good, he's all over the net like a rash, so aggressive and proactive. His volleys are the best I've seen from a Spaniard recently, though granted I havent seen Lopez or Nadal play a lot. Robredo definitely has great potential for doubles, he didnt win the Hopman Cup when ASV was playing crap for nothing. Whoever said he hasnt got a doubles game obviously hasnt seen him when he's in good form.

I saw Lopez play doubles at the DC final, and he has potential although he didnt play well then. I'd pick him over Nadal bc of his big serve, i've heard Nadal's serve isnt too good. I havent actually seen any notable doubles results from Nadal so i wouldnt pick him till he proves himself.

I'd definitely leave out Costa and Corretja, they suck at doubles. They were even beaten by an Aussie WC pair last year, they looked pathetic in that, and also Corretja's been losing in the first round of doubles challengers late last year.

Chloe le Bopper
01-08-2004, 08:16 PM
I havent actually seen any notable doubles results from Nadal so i wouldnt pick him till he proves himself.

That's because - outside of some mickey mouse title with Alex Lopez Moron - he hasn't had any ;)

Him and Robredo are doing well in the Mickey Mouse field in Tata so far this week...

I'm still confused why they would ahve Robredo practice with Nadal as opposed to other options... but if Lopez and he weren't playing the same tournaments, I suppose that it would be difficult to play doubles together ;)

Chloe le Bopper
01-08-2004, 08:19 PM
Rebecca, I wonder if that pairing with Max isn't a sign that Lopez will indeed be playing doubles in DC...Feli couldn't have a better person to teach him how a great serve-volley singles game translates into a doubles game (ok well maybe Pat Rafter...) but still, Max has a very similar game, and stylistically, Feli could really learn tons from Max.
It's entirely possible. I would hope that he isn't just going to be overlooked - because, as I said, he'd make a better backup singles player than any of he other options at the moment, imo. If it was on clay, I'd say that Robredo would be a better option than him, but if i'm not mistaken, they'll be playing indoors.

Although I don't understand why they would plan on using him, yet not find him a potential partner to practice with? That just doesn't make any sense to me. It's no good for him to get used to Max, just to run off and play in Davis Cup with Robredo (or Costa, or whoever) who has a totally different style of game.

michelleg
01-08-2004, 10:10 PM
As a doubles player, I can tell you that partnering with a stronger partner, even when it is for a single tourney, offers far more valuable match experience (and better odds for a greater amount of actual match play) rather than teaming with a weaker, less experienced one. My guess is that the aim is to get Feli quality match experience...

Hispanica
01-11-2004, 03:39 AM
Hey, I just had a look at the double draw for Sidney. Albert costa and Feliciano Lopez play together!!!

Surtenly a try out for Davis Cup!!!!

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2004, 07:08 AM
Hey, I just had a look at the double draw for Sidney. Albert costa and Feliciano Lopez play together!!!

Surtenly a try out for Davis Cup!!!!
Good good. Hopefully they do well.

Hispanica
01-11-2004, 05:08 PM
Well, Tommy and Rafael have won their first double title and beating seed 1 in the final.
Next week they won't play together ecause they attend different tournaments...

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2004, 08:40 PM
They'll play together again in Australia - Robredo and Nadal, that is. This was their second tournament together. They lost in the first round of Basel last year.

Springy
01-11-2004, 08:47 PM
albert and feli will play Bjorkman and Woodbridge ....so no chance I think :(

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2004, 08:51 PM
albert and feli will play Bjorkman and Woodbridge ....so no chance I think :(
Tough draw :(

Regardless... I still find it hard to believe that they wouldn't bring Lopez. So I wouldn't lose sleep over it if I were you ;)

star
01-11-2004, 08:53 PM
Yep, that was this past year. I think he was a little miffed about not being able to come hang in Miami inbetween Cincy and the USO....just my uneducated guess and all...

That very same tournament Verdasco took out Robredo in the first round as well. AND Scotty Draper made Moya work hard for a win...

Feli has a beautiful game for dubs, and the doubles would most certainly clean up his volleys as well. I still have no clue about Nadal's game, hope to catch him play in IW and Miami...

Are you going to IW?

I'll wave at you if I see you. ;)

michelleg
01-11-2004, 10:17 PM
Yep, qualies through opening weekend. Will you be there??? So you know who I am?!?

star
01-11-2004, 10:28 PM
No, I was kidding.

But I'll be there for qualies too from the first Monday through the last Sunday.

~EMiLiTA~
01-12-2004, 08:37 AM
Yes, Tommy/Rafael seem a good pairing, especially in view of their performance in Chennai. I've seen Tommy play doubles many times with Portas and Balcells and he is pretty good. Nadal I've only ever seen playing singles and that was on clay...but I'm going to go and watch their doubles matches at the Aus Open next week so we'll see...

Hispanica
01-13-2004, 02:43 AM
Well, for their first appeatence together Albert Costa and Feliciano Lopez weren't very lucky as they had to play aaginst seed2...

They unfornutntly lost 6-3 6-2... lets hope they'll have a better draw next time.

Chloe le Bopper
01-17-2004, 12:01 AM
Bonus points for the win over Novak?

Regarding the "why not Robredo and Lopez" question... apparently, so I read on another site, they had some sort of falling out, and aren't exactly on the best terms these days. :confused:

Hispanica
01-17-2004, 12:34 AM
Really, id din't know about that... where did you read it?

Chloe le Bopper
01-17-2004, 01:30 AM
I found an article on vamosrafael.com. It was translated from Spanish... I'll link to it later. I'm following the match at the moment and have too much open ;)

Hispanica
01-17-2004, 01:38 AM
What's the result of the match at the moment?

Chloe le Bopper
01-17-2004, 02:44 AM
Nadal lost 7-5 in the third. Shit happens.

Hispanica
01-21-2004, 05:08 AM
Rafa and Tommy won their first game against the 11 seed in three sets 6-4 4-6 6-1... Go on like that

Feliciano also won with Ancic and Jc and Guillermo are 6-2 4-4

Hispanica
01-23-2004, 02:45 PM
Well, looks like this pair is getting better... Know they have to try to win in 2 sets...

Chloe le Bopper
01-23-2004, 03:40 PM
The team they beat yesterday is a pretty decent team. That's three good wins in a row for the "average" pair :p

RogiFan88
01-23-2004, 05:44 PM
The team they beat yesterday is a pretty decent team. That's three good wins in a row for the "average" pair :p

you mean Rafa and Tommy beat Coetzee/Haggard??

WOW! Fab! DC, here we come!! :D :worship:

Chloe le Bopper
01-23-2004, 06:37 PM
vamosrafael.com is reporting that a Majorcan (sp?) newspaper has printed that after yesterdays win, Robredo and Nadal were selected.

So I guess this ends that debate, huh?

Scotso
01-23-2004, 07:10 PM
Rafa/Tommy :D

Chloe le Bopper
01-23-2004, 07:12 PM
Looks like Nadal will have to carry Tommy's ass for a little while longer ;)

(I kid... I kid...)

propi
01-23-2004, 07:28 PM
the best is they're young so can help Spain for a long time:banana: