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Will Henman Ever Win Wimbledon?

guganumberone
01-01-2004, 08:53 PM
Hopefully he'll win it this year because this might be his last chance

Deboogle!.
01-01-2004, 09:01 PM
hmmmmmmm WILL he? I don't know. CAN he? I think so. He's just never been able to put it together and he always seems to succomb to the pressure of the home crowd and his country and stuff. I hope he can though, if for no other reason so that we don't have to hear about it anymore :p

jumi
01-01-2004, 09:40 PM
I think that the pressure is killing him- he can do it, but he won't...and actually the draw is not helping him at all- Nalbandian and Grosjean in 2003, Ferreira and Hewitt in 2002, Schalken, T.Martin, Federer and Ivanisevic in 2001...

maratski
01-01-2004, 09:58 PM
He can and he will. If he wins it I think we need to have another poll on who's the strongest mentally ;), cause I think it's not easy to satisfy the expectations of a nation that easily. For two weeks he needs to focus on his opponent and the entire country that has such high expectations.

Fedex
01-01-2004, 10:14 PM
He will win it!! I think theres just so much pressure on him because he's practiclly the only Brit that can win it right now!! Without Henman or Rusedski, I think right now the would look pretty pathetic!! Hopefully they have some young, talented players in the juniors that will succeed Henman! He may win it next year but If he runs into Federer, I dont think he'll be able to beat him!! Kind of like when Henman used to run into Sampras ;)

*Ljubica*
01-01-2004, 10:34 PM
I think he can definitely win it. If he plays Wimbledon like he did TMS Paris, he can do it. I think the biggest problem for him is the crowd and the enormous pressure. Good thing he hired Sampras' coach; hopefully he'll be able to show Henman how to block out the pressure and concentrate on the game.

Couldn't agree more! Now that's a bit worrying - we're agreeing again tangy! :)

jtipson
01-01-2004, 10:38 PM
He's got a good chance this year. There are some people he might have to avoid though, particularly Lleyton Hewitt, and possibly David Nalbandian (even though Tim won their 2003 encounter at Wimbledon). Unlike Fedex, I'd give Tim good odds against Roger Federer given their match history; although I'd like to hope Roger will soon figure out how to beat him.

*Ljubica*
01-01-2004, 10:44 PM
It's not so bad, is it! :lol:

BTW, happy birthday to your Daveeed! :banana: He's only 22! Still a :baby: ! ;)

:haha: LOL! You've made me laugh again! And do you realise that's the second time you've wished him HAPPY BIRTHDAY?! Yes 22 is very young - but then I've always wanted a "toy boy" :)

Havok
01-01-2004, 10:46 PM
can he- no:banana:
will he-no:banana:
:banana::banana:

Deboogle!.
01-01-2004, 10:49 PM
awww Naldo that's not nice! lol

Havok
01-01-2004, 11:03 PM
lol bunk, hence my :banana: it shouldnt be taken seriously!

Fedex
01-01-2004, 11:03 PM
Yes, Feds history with Tim is terrible!! BUT i think he is one of the only players that could beat him on grass! Since he is a great grass court player himself!! I think from now on he wont have to worry about Hewitt on this surface!! I mean he's a much better grass player than Hewitt!!! David could still give him trouble on this surface however! Because David is a more complete player than Hewitt, with no real weaknessess! I doubt Hewitt will EVER win Wimbledon again!!

Deboogle!.
01-01-2004, 11:48 PM
There are a lot of players good on grass who could potentially give Tim, or even Roger, problems. Taylor Dent could be LETHAL on grass if he could put it all together and stay healthy. I think if he's really on, especially serving well, he could beat anyone on a fast surface like grass. Dahveed too (a previous finalist can't ever be counted out), Andy showed he can be quite a grass player esp. with improved volleying which he's doing, Mardy Fish for sure, since he managed a set from Roger and has only improved leaps and bounds since last June, plus others like Grosjean, Flip, Lopez, Myrnyi, Agassi, Hewitt, etc... lots of people could potentially pose problems!

Kiara
01-02-2004, 12:27 AM
Not if he runs into Hewitt on the way

Ma. Estefania
01-02-2004, 03:43 AM
I've never been a fan of him, but definitely it would be nice to see him winning it FINALLY.

Honest answer?...No.

guganumberone
01-02-2004, 03:48 AM
does henman have a bad record against hewitt or something?

TennisLurker
01-02-2004, 03:52 AM
He has never beaten Hewitt, Tim has a bad record against consistent baseliners with great returns like Hewitt or Nalbandian.

For Henman, a serve volleyer like Federer or a big server like roddick is better than a counterpuncher with a great return of serve like Hewitt.

I think Henman could have beaten Sampras in Wimbledon, but I dont blame Tim for losing to Hewitt.
It is a very bad match up for him.

MisterQ
01-02-2004, 03:59 AM
I don't think he will. But I would love him to prove me wrong. If he did, it would be one of the most memorable moments in tennis!

He's an excellent grass court player, so he can never be ruled out. We'll see.

Mr. Man
01-02-2004, 05:18 AM
Surprisingly I voted yes. Last year he made what RD16? Quaters? or something? Or am I thinking incorrectly? If I am not... I defintely didn't think he would make it that far last year, so I give him a chance. Let's just see, the Wimby crowd will most likely shit in their pants if he does win (:p).

Leo
01-02-2004, 06:21 AM
I'm not sure if he can (nor do I care), but I know that he won't.

Fedex
01-02-2004, 06:38 AM
Other Serve-volleyers could cause Tim problems,yes. Which is why i said regardless of his record vs. Tim Federer could definitly beat Tim on Grass!!! But if guys like Hewitt win this grand slam consistantly than i will be angry, beacuse Serve-Volley is the only proper style for grass!! I will then occuse wimbledon of making the surface to slow!! Hewitts only chance of beating Federer would be on Hard court!! And even then Federer has to choke, like DC!! If Federer plays the way he did last year he would kill Hewitt on grass!! I also like Taylor Dents chances of potientally winning here!! He needs to put it all together!!

Leo
01-02-2004, 06:50 AM
But if guys like Hewitt win this grand slam consistantly than i will be angry, beacuse Serve-Volley is the only proper style for grass!! I will then occuse wimbledon of making the surface to slow!!

Serve-and-volley is the only proper way to win Wimbledon? Says who? I think players such as Agassi and Hewitt would have to disagree. And I wouldn't classify Federer as solely a serve-and-volleyer either. Anyway, it doesn't matter how fast you make the surface, players such as Hewitt, Nalbandian, and Agassi still have fast enough reactions from the baseline to achieve good results on grass.

Hewitts only chance of beating Federer would be on Hard court!!

Except that Hewitt has beaten Federer on grass in the past. Routined him, actually. Kinda ruins your theory, doesn't it?

If Federer plays the way he did last year he would kill Hewitt on grass!!

Now you can't possibly say that since Federer never played anyone with a style like Hewitt's during his title run at Wimbledon. I'm pretty confident in saying that Lleyton would have fared much better than Roddick or Philippoussis because of his return and passing game - he probably would have won.

MisterQ
01-02-2004, 07:02 AM
Other Serve-volleyers could cause Tim problems,yes. Which is why i said regardless of his record vs. Tim Federer could definitly beat Tim on Grass!!! But if guys like Hewitt win this grand slam consistantly than i will be angry, beacuse Serve-Volley is the only proper style for grass!! I will then occuse wimbledon of making the surface to slow!! Hewitts only chance of beating Federer would be on Hard court!! And even then Federer has to choke, like DC!! If Federer plays the way he did last year he would kill Hewitt on grass!! I also like Taylor Dents chances of potientally winning here!! He needs to put it all together!!


It's true that they have been slowing the surface down a bit at Wimby, and this benefits the baseliners. Grass and serve-volley have traditionally been associated. But even in the "classic" old days, it was possible for a baseliner to do damage at Wimby. One of the greatest Wimbledon champs of all time was Bjorn Borg, a baseliner. Jimmy Connors won there, and as mentioned previously, so did Hewitt. Agassi won there beating some of the best servers and volleyers around (Becker, McEnroe, and Ivanisevic). So I guess I'm it's not quite that straightforward, that only serve-volleyers should be winning there.

Fedex
01-02-2004, 07:20 AM
Well, you should know Leo that Federer may choke against players he has bad head 2 heads! Federer is a more proper grass player than Hewitt by far, & if they meet I'm sure Federer would win definitly on grass!! I'm sure Agassi could tell you he wouldent want to come across Federer on grass! And he plays some-what simialar to Hewitt!! Only he has much harder ground strokes and is a better player overall ;). Oh i do remmber when Andre beat all those great grass players in a row -simply spectaular for Andre to achieve that!! But when Hewitt won he didn't have to play any grass court specialists, cept Henman!! And once again Henman came up short!! Expectations were mounting on him!! I've always considererd Tim a "B" class Serve-Volleyer" anyway!! He couldnt beat Pete on his day on grass even if Tim was playing his best because overall Pete was better, & played Tims game better than He did! Hewitt could never beat a Sampras, Becker, McEnroe on grass! But Agassi beat all of em on grass(except Sampras) during his feat at Wimbledon, & their what I would call "A" Class Serve-Volleyers!!

Devotee
01-02-2004, 08:12 AM
I don't think Henman has any more chances to win Wimbledon.
However, Boris Becker says Henman will win there.
That's probably because Becker works as a commentator for
the BBC and wishes to curry favor with them.

maratski
01-02-2004, 09:46 AM
Becker just goes with the flow when commentating so I wouldn't take his words too seriously ;)

Fedex
01-02-2004, 09:52 AM
I'll put it into 1 simple sentence Leo. If Federer dosnt CHOKE & plays the way he did last year Hewitt wont beat him!! I must say Hewitt's probably 1 of the least talented guys to win there but also one of the most tough mentally

WyverN
01-02-2004, 12:02 PM
Now you can't possibly say that since Federer never played anyone with a style like Hewitt's during his title run at Wimbledon. I'm pretty confident in saying that Lleyton would have fared much better than Roddick or Philippoussis because of his return and passing game - he probably would have won.

Do you seriously think that the Wimbledon Hewitt of 2002 (who needed 9-7 in the 5th to beat Schalken) would beat the Wimbledon Federer of 2003?

Experimentee
01-02-2004, 01:45 PM
I dont think he'll ever win it. He's got the ability to sometimes beat top players in TMS and IS events, but not in Grand Slams, he doesnt have a good enough mentality for that. His game isnt good enough either. His volleys are better than most, but his groundstrokes and serve are very average.

There is pressure on him to win Wimbledon, but also overwhelming crowd support, and that helps him more than anything, and overrules the pressure. Note that he's never gone past the 4th rd in any Slam apart from Wimbledon, so obviously the pressure and support at Wimbledon must be helping him rather than going against him. And still he can't win it.

tennischick
01-02-2004, 03:33 PM
no. if he ever makes it to the finals, he will choke it away.

jbud
01-02-2004, 03:39 PM
I don't think so, but he's certainly given himself a good opportunity in hiring Paul Annacone. I suspect the 2001 semi-final rain delay will forever haunt him

tennischick
01-02-2004, 03:54 PM
so Paul is working with BOTH jen and Henman? what ever happened to his big ATP job? did he quit? :confused:

Kiara
01-02-2004, 04:23 PM
no. if he ever makes it to the finals, he will choke it away.

TC thats cruel :lol:

Leo
01-03-2004, 03:57 AM
so Paul is working with BOTH jen and Henman? what ever happened to his big ATP job? did he quit? :confused:

I don't think he's seriously going to work with Jennifer. Not full time, anyway.

Leo
01-03-2004, 04:02 AM
Well, you should know Leo that Federer may choke against players he has bad head 2 heads! Federer is a more proper grass player than Hewitt by far, & if they meet I'm sure Federer would win definitly on grass!! I'm sure Agassi could tell you he wouldent want to come across Federer on grass! And he plays some-what simialar to Hewitt!! Only he has much harder ground strokes and is a better player overall ;). Oh i do remmber when Andre beat all those great grass players in a row -simply spectaular for Andre to achieve that!! But when Hewitt won he didn't have to play any grass court specialists, cept Henman!! And once again Henman came up short!! Expectations were mounting on him!! I've always considererd Tim a "B" class Serve-Volleyer" anyway!! He couldnt beat Pete on his day on grass even if Tim was playing his best because overall Pete was better, & played Tims game better than He did! Hewitt could never beat a Sampras, Becker, McEnroe on grass! But Agassi beat all of em on grass(except Sampras) during his feat at Wimbledon, & their what I would call "A" Class Serve-Volleyers!!

True, Agassi would probably not want to face Federer on grass but Agassi is a much different challenge for Roger than Hewitt is. With his steadier returns (esp. off of 1st serves), more consistent passing shots, and second-to-none foot speed, Hewitt fares a better shot against Federer on grass than Agassi does. Not to mention that Hewitt is still in Fed's head.

True, Hewitt did not face the most difficult opposition at Wimbledon in 2002, but he's proven on numerous occassions that he's perfectly qualified to beat the best serve-and-volleyers on any surface. In case you didn't notice, Lleyton twice beat Sampras on grass.

Leo
01-03-2004, 04:04 AM
Do you seriously think that the Wimbledon Hewitt of 2002 (who needed 9-7 in the 5th to beat Schalken) would beat the Wimbledon Federer of 2003?

First of all, it was 7-5 in the 5th against Schalken. And second of all, I think that's a definite possibility considering the mental aspect and the H2H record. Federer has played some great tennis against Hewitt before and has still come up short most of the time.

WyverN
01-03-2004, 04:53 AM
First of all, it was 7-5 in the 5th against Schalken. And second of all, I think that's a definite possibility considering the mental aspect and the H2H record. Federer has played some great tennis against Hewitt before and has still come up short most of the time.


he has never displayed Wimbledon or TMC form against Hewitt, the closest was in DC where he was 2 points from completing a 3 set demolition before managing to fall apart and then run out of steam

The fact that you consider it a possibility is alarming but don't worry Leo, eventually you will learn

Fedex
01-03-2004, 10:53 AM
Dont you understand Leo?? There's no way Hewitt could beat a mentally tough Federer!! His volleys will improve(there already great) and so will his serve. Hewitts groundies and passes dont even compare with Federers! And obviously he's got a FAR better net game than Hewitt! The Federer of 2003 Wimbly would dominate hewitt! No offence but Hewitt's game just puts me to sleep! All's he does is run balls down. And unfortunatly for Hewitt, he couldent keep up with Federer

Fedex
01-03-2004, 10:58 AM
When did Lleyton beat Sampras on grass?? :confused: Must of been the Sampras of 01-02! That Sampras is not the same Sampras as 93-99!! He would simply crush Hewitt on grass in his dominating days!! Please dont brag that Hewitt beat Sampras of 01-02!! Sampras was the best grass player ever, so lil Lleyton wouldent even compare

Action Jackson
01-03-2004, 11:00 AM
No, Henman will never win Wimbledon.

If he wasn´t British, no-one would pay any attention to him. His mentality falters on big occasions and there is only one grass Slam.

He is the British version of Alex Corretja, too nice to win Slams, but the essential difference is that Corretja has won 3 TMS all on different surfaces, been in 2 Slam finals and won a DC, something Henman hasn't come close to achieving.

WyverN
01-03-2004, 11:12 AM
When did Lleyton beat Sampras on grass??

he beat him at Queens but Sampras would often lose there and then dominate at Wimby. Pete had a habit of turning it up at the big events.

Jazzy
01-03-2004, 12:14 PM
no, i don't think i'll b seeing tim win wimbledon, + he only has a couple of yrs 2 do that if u look @ his age!

Leo
01-04-2004, 01:28 AM
When did Lleyton beat Sampras on grass?? :confused: Must of been the Sampras of 01-02! That Sampras is not the same Sampras as 93-99!! He would simply crush Hewitt on grass in his dominating days!! Please dont brag that Hewitt beat Sampras of 01-02!! Sampras was the best grass player ever, so lil Lleyton wouldent even compare

Hewitt beat Sampras in the Queens Club event in 2000 (a year Sampras won Wimbledon) and 2001. Not to mention he barely lost to Sampras at the same tournament in 1999 - came down to a third set breaker. If Hewitt can not only hang with Sampras on grass, but also defeat him, he can beat anybody on the stuff, I don't care how well the other person is playing.

Fedex
01-04-2004, 01:41 AM
When will you learn?? Did you not see Wimbledon this year?? :confused: If you did you would know that Hewitt CANT beat Federer on grass!! The asshole will not! Hewitt wont beat Federer next year youll see!! I hope they play in Wimbledon, just to show you the genius of Federer!! He CANNOT contend! He wont be able to beat Federer on ANY surface next year! even the slowest hardcourt! Federer has already proven to be a far more gifted player than Hewitt! Like WyverN said Pete usually didnt play well in the warm up tourneys then would go on to dominate Wimbly

Deboogle!.
01-04-2004, 02:55 AM
uh.... Fedex... you are seriously delusional. Unless you've got ESP, and since I don't believe in that anyway, you can't know what Federer and Hewitt will or will not do. Federer could go out there, without a coach, and have a HORRIBLE year. OR he could out there and win all 4 slams. Same with Hewitt. How can you know?? You CAN'T.

natural gift doesn't translate to winning, especially with a head like Federer currently has. And considering they're about the same age and Hewitt's ended the year #1 twice (and won TWO TMCs), won 2 slams, won Davis Cup, won 19 titles, earned over 11 million in prize money, and they turned pro the same year so you can't use that as an excuse for Hewitt doing more.

I'm really sick of the natural talent/gifted argument. There's a whole lot more to the story. If only the very most talented people won all the time, tennis would be damn boring. Hewitt works his ass off, has great mentality, is in great shape, and has a will to win that's unmatched amongst the New Balls. That surely makes up for a discrepancy in "natural talent" - whatever that really means anyway.

I mean yea, it's entirely likely that Fed will win all of their matches this year (if they even meet), but, and especially considering their head-to-head, it's also ENTIRELY likely that Hewitt will win (at least) one - again, IF they even meet.

Plus, this thread's about Tim Henman anyway, and I still think he can win Wimby :)

Leo
01-04-2004, 02:59 AM
When will you learn?? Did you not see Wimbledon this year?? :confused: If you did you would know that Hewitt CANT beat Federer on grass!! The asshole will not! Hewitt wont beat Federer next year youll see!! I hope they play in Wimbledon, just to show you the genius of Federer!! He CANNOT contend! He wont be able to beat Federer on ANY surface next year! even the slowest hardcourt! Federer has already proven to be a far more gifted player than Hewitt! Like WyverN said Pete usually didnt play well in the warm up tourneys then would go on to dominate Wimbly

Federer may be considered "more gifted" than Hewitt, but that doesn't mean he'll beat the Boy from Oz everytime they play.

Let's just drop it. Agree to disagree. Time will answer our questions.

Fedex
01-04-2004, 03:32 AM
No, youre right i cannot! But I can tell you IF Federer plays the way he did last year, he'll win Wimbly again next year! He's a mental headcase, & thats why he loses their matches. Compared to Hewitt who is a mental Giant! But while Hewitt has done more so far, there's a good chance he'll "peak young" & not win many more majors. Remember Sampras didnt peak young. But win he got on his magical roll, he was virtually unstopable. Anyway back to Tim Henman. I believe he'll win Wimbledon atleast once