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WTA players' ATP rankings

joske
12-29-2003, 03:01 PM
Hey all, after seeing an exhibition match (Henin-Hardenne vs Noah) I was just wondering: what ranking would -say- the top 10 WTA players have on the ATP? I know it's probably a VERY low ranking simply bc of the power factor, but I couldn't say if I'm honest... Anyone happen to know this? Thx a bunch! :)

star
12-29-2003, 03:06 PM
I'm thinking if the tours merged, the women would be fighting for a place in the challengers.

TheBoiledEgg
12-29-2003, 03:10 PM
more like the futures

TennisLurker
12-29-2003, 03:14 PM
I think near 800 or even lower.

I think Enquist is not in the top 100 currently and he would beat 6060 the William sisters or the belgians, and Giovanni Lappenti is ranked 200 something and he would completely trash any top female player.

The guys the william sisters use as sparrings to practice say that if they play their best tennis they beat the sisters easily.

joske
12-29-2003, 03:15 PM
Probably star.. Really, 800 or lower?? Oh... I think *not sure about it* that I heard some1 say the (present) top 5 women's players would be around 500 in the (present) men's tour.. Could that be about right? But ye, you could be right about that 800-thing.. Don't know :)

Ma. Estefania
12-29-2003, 03:24 PM
Hmm....interesting topic.

I think that top WTA players would be around 600-700, it's sort of relative, but anyway I think they couldn't be higher than that....

Shy
12-29-2003, 03:28 PM
around 800 probably
600 as best

star
12-29-2003, 03:34 PM
more like the futures

I was going to say the futures, but I thought that was limited by some other criteria. :)

star
12-29-2003, 03:38 PM
Probably star.. Really, 800 or lower?? Oh... I think *not sure about it* that I heard some1 say the (present) top 5 women's players would be around 500 in the (present) men's tour.. Could that be about right? But ye, you could be right about that 800-thing.. Don't know :)

The other thing is that the men who play on the challenger circuit play relentlessly trying to get their rankings up. Some of the top women can't even hold up playing less than 20 tournaments a year. Not only do the men play at a much higher level, they play a LOT of tournaments compared to the women. Look, Lleyton is thought to be semi-retired and he played 17 tournaments this year.

maratski
12-29-2003, 03:43 PM
I've seen the match too and it was very clear that Noah wasn't playing at full force to keep the match in balance and to entertain the crowd. I have no idea where women would be ranked, but I heard Patty Schyder beat a guy once and I guess he was top 300 (if I remember correctly) so what does that say? Patty isn't even as powerful as the Williams sisters and Clijsters.
Maybe the girls could give guys a hard time once and a while, but not on a regular basis.

Deboogle!.
12-29-2003, 04:05 PM
Maybe the girls could give guys a hard time once and a while, but not on a regular basis.

I think this is the key right there. On a given day, some of the top women could probably beat a decent man, but day in and day out, highly doubtful.

Ma. Estefania
12-29-2003, 04:08 PM
Just wondering (is my fantasy btw...je je) : wouldn't be a Hingis (at her best ----> something difficult :sad: ) vs. Coria (at his best too) match be interesting?

I mean....Coria should be the winner, but it would be very fun, many rallies, drop shots, not hard serves, some fantasy plays....

Deboogle!.
12-29-2003, 04:09 PM
lol yes that would be interesting. Hingis was one of the few women's players I really liked to watch :)

Ma. Estefania
12-29-2003, 04:13 PM
Yes....and what about a Safin or Roddick vs. Serena? Interesting too.

Though the man would finish winning too probably.

Deboogle!.
12-29-2003, 04:22 PM
I'm not a fan of the Williams sisters so I wouldn't really like that as much as Coria/Hingis... that would work b/c they are more finesse players, shot-makers, whatever. A power matchup wouldn't work because Andy or Safin or people like Flip, El-Aynaoui, or even down to Dent, Ljubicic, etc., would just blow any female off the court I think, even Serena. Whereas the male players have all played each other so they know what the power is like, I'm sure Serena's never played anyone with the power of these guys so she wouldn't be able to handle it at all.

MisterQ
12-29-2003, 04:27 PM
Hingis vs. Santoro

I wanna see it!

star
12-29-2003, 04:31 PM
:lol:

Yeah, that would be a fun match. Santoro would be the winner........ but they would be about the same height. :)

star
12-29-2003, 04:32 PM
Plus it isn't just the power of the men, it is the very heavy balls that they hit. And it's speed.

Put the fastest woman up against Hewitt....... no contest.

TennisLurker
12-29-2003, 04:38 PM
Hingis vs Santoro would be good, a lot of fun, santoro doesnt really have a forehand, he has a slice forehand, he just cant blow hingis out of the court.
Almost all his winners are volleys, drop shots, or lobs.
And he has a soft serve, of course he would win but It would be a lot of fun.

I miss Martina... :sad:

TheBoiledEgg
12-29-2003, 05:16 PM
I've seen the match too and it was very clear that Noah wasn't playing at full force to keep the match in balance and to entertain the crowd. I have no idea where women would be ranked, but I heard Patty Schyder beat a guy once and I guess he was top 300 (if I remember correctly) so what does that say? Patty isn't even as powerful as the Williams sisters and Clijsters.
Maybe the girls could give guys a hard time once and a while, but not on a regular basis.
that guy was ranked 1100 or so and was 18/19 yrs old and fell under the spotlight even though it was only an Exhibition, pressure got to him.

Ma. Estefania
12-29-2003, 05:25 PM
I'm not a fan of the Williams sisters so I wouldn't really like that as much as Coria/Hingis... that would work b/c they are more finesse players, shot-makers, whatever.

I'm not a fan of the Williams either, I just said that thinking it would be interesting, but after all the explanations, well....men would win at last. :o

I miss Marti too :sad: all of her.....that tricky smile that irritated so many, but that I loved it ;) , she'll be unforgettable for me. :sad:

joske
12-29-2003, 05:31 PM
I'm not a fan of the Williams sisters so I wouldn't really like that as much as Coria/Hingis... that would work b/c they are more finesse players, shot-makers, whatever. A power matchup wouldn't work because Andy or Safin or people like Flip, El-Aynaoui, or even down to Dent, Ljubicic, etc., would just blow any female off the court I think, even Serena. Whereas the male players have all played each other so they know what the power is like, I'm sure Serena's never played anyone with the power of these guys so she wouldn't be able to handle it at all.

Totally true... those women who are strong bc of their finesse instead of their power *Williams sisters* could prove a much bigger challenge for men. But ye, Coria vs Hingis would be VERY nice to check out! I haven't been following tennis long enough to have really watched Hingis (and I really regret that, bc I've seen one of her matches *wasn't evben the whole match :(* and I absolutely loved her game...) I like her a lot as a person as well tho :)

croat123
12-29-2003, 05:43 PM
yeah schnyder beat a guy ranked 1000-1200 7-6 7-5 in an exhibition and that guy was apparently really nervous... :o

so lets assume patty would be ranked about 1100. serena might be around 850, but not better than that

J. Corwin
12-29-2003, 08:53 PM
Other than a few of the top women, the rest would be ranked below 1000 on the ATP.

And yes, Patty beat someone ranked lower than 1000 on the ATP...and she still barely beat him.

Ma. Estefania
12-29-2003, 09:49 PM
I haven't been following tennis long enough to have really watched Hingis (and I really regret that, bc I've seen one of her matches *wasn't evben the whole match :(* and I absolutely loved her game...) I like her a lot as a person as well tho :)

Yeah....I regret too to have just "discovered" her at the final od the Ericsson Open 2000 at Miami :sad: ..... and not before, when she was at her "BEST".

She was, is, and always will be great for me in every sense. :worship: :angel:

Buddy
12-29-2003, 11:42 PM
Well...we can only make assumptions... but we'll really never know for sure rite?

Of course the men would have more power in their shots and so on...But some of the top female players are really quick too....

Perhaps it's a rumour but I heard that Clijster is that quick cos she plays with Hewitt often and I as for the men's powerful serves... in a match of Australia versus Thailand... I think Mark Philippoussis's serves was returned by Tanasugarn and in fact the Thais broke serve and we do know how fast Mark serves...

So I feel it's the timing and feel of the game...rather than speed... I mean most of the time tennis player have to decide to go left or right in anticipation of the opponent's shots rite?

But seriously, even if the ladies do climb their way up...I think it would be only a small number cos I feel the standard of the top female players and those below them(out of top 20) is very far apart... Cos most of the time only in the semis of most matches do we see a 3 setter .... the top female players are just too good....

star
12-30-2003, 12:02 AM
Let's see the women start playing five setters in the Slams and an arduous schedule, i.e. something similar to the Masters Series, before we start thinking of putting them up against men.

MisterQ
12-30-2003, 12:06 AM
two random bit of info:

I remember Clijsters saying that she can hit almost no winners against Hewitt when they play seriously. he's just too fast. sorry I dont' remember where I saw that...

I also remember that Ivanisevic was really impressed with Hingis when she returned his serves easily in a mixed doubles match. Now returning serve in singles would probably be more difficult, but this does show that with her talent she could handle serves which are faster than those of any WTA player.

ktwtennis
12-30-2003, 01:31 AM
I think this is the key right there. On a given day, some of the top women could probably beat a decent man, but day in and day out, highly doubtful.Great point...this is where women's lack of strength comes in...

Action Jackson
12-30-2003, 02:36 AM
All the voices sing Karsten Braasch took the piss out of the Williams sisters, and he was out injured for months before he played them.

Just recently Patty Schynder played a match against an Austrian guy Daniel Koellerer who is around # 180 and lost 2-6 4-6 in less than an hour.

I agree anywhere between 700 and 900 is about where they would be ranked. It's not just a power issue, there is fitness the players on WTA tour are nowhere near as they are on the mens tour.

The top women wouldn't get close to beating a guy likes Yves Allegro a Swiss doubles specialist on their best days.

In many instances the men wouldn't need to use all their power, just very high kicking serves to the women and put them out of position, this in combination with the other factors, would make it impossible for them to compete consistently with any man in the top 600.

Ma. Estefania
12-30-2003, 03:58 AM
I also remember that Ivanisevic was really impressed with Hingis when she returned his serves easily in a mixed doubles match. Now returning serve in singles would probably be more difficult, but this does show that with her talent she could handle serves which are faster than those of any WTA player.

That was Marti.....the last Princess of Tennis... :worship:

Experimentee
12-30-2003, 12:25 PM
I'm not a fan of the Williams sisters so I wouldn't really like that as much as Coria/Hingis... that would work b/c they are more finesse players, shot-makers, whatever. A power matchup wouldn't work because Andy or Safin or people like Flip, El-Aynaoui, or even down to Dent, Ljubicic, etc., would just blow any female off the court I think, even Serena. Whereas the male players have all played each other so they know what the power is like, I'm sure Serena's never played anyone with the power of these guys so she wouldn't be able to handle it at all.

Hingis declined because she was continually being overpowered by the stronger women on tour, so what makes you think she wouldnt be overpowered by the men too? I think even someone like Coria could overpower her if Capriati could.
However I think it is useless to speculate until we actually see a match between a top female player and an ATP player. We cant really judge how they'll do just by looking at them play members of the same sex, or looking at how non top 10 women play against male players.

star
12-30-2003, 01:41 PM
Which means, I guess, that you hold out hopes for at least two players from the top ten could hold their own with some of the male players?

The reason I think this is a false hope, is that the thread question is where WTA players would be ranked vis a vis the men. That means women would have to play the same schedule as the men for the entire year. While there may be a match or two where your top players could hold their own, they would not be able to do that day in and day out playing 20 plus tournaments a year and back to back TMSs.

But I flatly disagree that you can't judge just by looking at them play members of the same sex. :)

star
12-30-2003, 01:42 PM
two random bit of info:

I remember Clijsters saying that she can hit almost no winners against Hewitt when they play seriously. he's just too fast. sorry I dont' remember where I saw that...

I also remember that Ivanisevic was really impressed with Hingis when she returned his serves easily in a mixed doubles match. Now returning serve in singles would probably be more difficult, but this does show that with her talent she could handle serves which are faster than those of any WTA player.

I think Hingis would be toast along with all the other top WTA players.

Deboogle!.
12-30-2003, 02:01 PM
I think Hingis would be toast along with all the other top WTA players.

I agree. but I still think it'd be interesting :)

Chloe le Bopper
12-31-2003, 01:16 AM
Hingis declined because she was continually being overpowered by the stronger women on tour, so what makes you think she wouldnt be overpowered by the men too? I think even someone like Coria could overpower her if Capriati could.
However I think it is useless to speculate until we actually see a match between a top female player and an ATP player. We cant really judge how they'll do just by looking at them play members of the same sex, or looking at how non top 10 women play against male players.
Sure we can... go to a mixed tournament, stand inbetween a mens match and a womens match, and look back and forth a few times. (I did just that at the USO this year). It doesn't make a difference that you have women vs women and men vs men... the differences are still evident.

TennisLurker
12-31-2003, 01:37 AM
What she was trying to say is that it would have been a fun match because they are not players who rely so much in power to beat their opponents, you would have drop shots, lobs, slices, that kind of things.
She was not trying to say that Hingis would be able to beat Coria.

Serena, the belgians, Martina, they would not have a chance against any top male player.

I think Martina would fare better than Serena against a male player, they would both lose 6060 to any male player, but Martina would win more points I think.

Serena cant overpower any male player, she would struggle to win a single point, but a perfectly executed drop shot is as lethal in woman tennis as in men tennis,

Leo
12-31-2003, 02:52 AM
Martina once faced a junior male player and lost horribly, so I don't think she would do any better than the Williams Sisters or Belgians. Returning Ivo's serve in a mixed dubs match is much different than in singles.

Angele
12-31-2003, 03:18 AM
I really can't answer the question that this thread asks because I don't know the ability of the players ranked around the 1000's, which is where the top women would definetly be ranked, and that might even be generous.

Any wta player would simply be over powered by an atp player, regardless of who the two players are. And it's not just power, it's speed as well. Some people are talking about Martina Hingis, she wouldn't fare any better than any of the other female players. Yeah, her dropshots might be good but to play a good dropshot, she'd have to be in position to play a good dropshot and she'd have to work the point first, that wouldn't be happening vs. an atp player. It's really just impossible to compare men and women in terms of tennis because there is such a big difference.

shaoyu
12-31-2003, 06:26 AM
I think Martina would fare better than Serena against a male player, they would both lose 6060 to any male player, but Martina would win more points I think.

Serena cant overpower any male player, she would struggle to win a single point, but a perfectly executed drop shot is as lethal in woman tennis as in men tennis,

Not too sure about that, I thought Serena might still be capable of hitting a couple of aces.