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Andy vs. Roger

MisterQ
12-26-2003, 03:03 AM
This has been hyped as the "next big rivalry", but Andy obviously needs to get a few more wins before this is really the case.

The question is: What should Andy's strategy be when facing Federer? We all know that Roger is brilliant, but Andy has big weapons --- how can he use them to his best advantage?

J. Corwin
12-26-2003, 03:09 AM
Kick serve to Roger's backhand as much as possible and stay away from a baseline battle.

Deboogle!.
12-26-2003, 03:43 AM
yeah..... and get inside his head somehow LOL

J. Corwin
12-26-2003, 05:00 AM
That's the hard part lol.

Confidence will do the most.

faboozadoo15
12-26-2003, 05:03 AM
he needs to be able to hit good backhand passing shots and returns. he has to challenge federer's serve so he can breathe easy on his own. it's tough to do. that's why his only win against him is in a third set tiebreak.

star
12-26-2003, 05:06 AM
He definitely has to step up his return game.

And more than getting into Roger's head, he has to keep Roger out of his. :)

Deboogle!.
12-26-2003, 05:07 AM
yes star... that too!

J. Corwin
12-26-2003, 06:47 AM
Definitely improve his return game as well. Try to return serves deep. And maybe try to vary his returns...like blocking or slicing some returns.

Deboogle!.
12-26-2003, 03:19 PM
I think he's got to be agressive against Roger. That standing 10 ft behind the baseline won't work against someone with the shot-making capability of Roger. Plus just from a mental standpoint, giving the whole court away like that to someone who makes shots as well as Roger doesn't put Andy in a good place - because when Roger is fully confident he doesn't lose.

But I expect Andy's game to keep improving and when it does, he will be able to beat Roger again - perhaps it won't be easy but I'm sure he'll do it.

Dirk
12-26-2003, 03:27 PM
They will be trading wins and losses with each other for years, but I think Roger will always have the edge. Andy said Roger plays too quick for him. That is cause Roger's strokes are much more compact and smooth than Andy's big swinging big hitting style. Andy takes more time in between shots. Andy's best chance at a Slam victory over Roger is at Oz where the high bounces could bother Roger's backhand. Andy did that to him in Montreal and it worked for awhile till Roger started to get more use to it. Its really all about who plays better on that day like most matches on the ATP tour. Sure the more talented guy can be off a bit and still win but in this case someone its down to the better player. That said Andy never really played badly in the matches with Roger I saw. His stats are wimbly were very good. The Cup match was tight in the 1st set even though Andy fans keep saying Andy was off that day. Both players will get better over time and time will tell who is better.

star
12-26-2003, 05:22 PM
Welcome Dirk! :wavey:

Nice to see that you like Andy enough to visit his forum and read the posts. :)

We like anyone to post here who is respectful of our feelings about Andy. :kiss:

But if you come here often you have to get used to group hugs and lots of:inlove:

Deboogle!.
12-26-2003, 05:30 PM
I think the media is where the yearning for this rivalry is coming from. they need another Sampras-Agassi-esque rivalry and because Andy and Roger are both young and haven't hit their peaks yet (we assume), it seems like a good choice. And I think they like Roddick/Federer again, because their styles are SOOOOOOOOO different. Ferrero, Hewitt, etc.... they're great players but the styles don't contrast nearly as much as between Roger (pure finesse) and Andy (pure power).

It's a loooooooong way to go before they get to a real rivalry, though, and I don't see it really getting to a point like Sampras and Agassi, where they weren't friends with each other but they both consistently talk about their rivalry as one of the most important aspects of their career. Each of them said the other was the best he'd ever played, and that they forced each other to keep playing better. I just don't know if I see a similar thing forming between Andy and Roger.

And I doubt this will happen for looooong periods at a time, but if Andy and Roger keep trading the 1 and 2 spots, then they'll only ever really be able to meet in finals, which would probably keep them from playing each other a whole lot, if that makes sense.

Oh well, all remains to be seen, I guess. I think Andy has a lot more room for improvement (as far as the tennis goes) than Roger, so it's hard to say what will happen when Andy develops a more complete and well-rounded game.

Deboogle!.
12-26-2003, 05:31 PM
lol star... don't mince words.... basically we're just all nuts ;)

:crazy:

Dirk
12-26-2003, 08:34 PM
I am not a fan of Andy's but I don't hate the guy or anything. I just am not into his game, but it sure is effective and as a dominate player his game is more fun to watch than Pete's most of the time. I do hate Brad Gilbert cause the guy is really an arrogant asshole but so far it doesn't seem to have rubbed off on Andy. Andy does give his opponents their due. His antics from time to time annoy me but that is no different than any other player who gets loud and obnoxious out there. At least he doesn't swear across the net at his opponents like Hewitt does. Speaking of Hewitt, I would rather have Andy as number one than him since Andy's game is much more number oneish than Hewitt's. To this day, I believe that hip injury in 01 to Guga was the best thing that happened to Hewitt's career but this is not the place to really dive into that subject. Andy's footwork has already improved and I am sure he will improve more in all areas. Roger will improve but not nearly as much since his game is really almost perfect. His serves might gain some more speed over time and I hope his head and heart will stay as one in big matches. I'm not an fan but I am not one of these fans who say Andy doesn't deserve to be number one. Was I pissed about Roger's Montreal loss, :fiery: yes but that was mostly because Roger was up and fucking lossed it. I can't hold it against Andy that he competes better than my man.

J. Corwin
12-26-2003, 08:56 PM
Nice dissertation, Dirk.

Glad that you don't hold "hate" towards Andy. You're always welcome to post here. I think it's great to have some different non-Andy fan voices in here.

Deboogle!.
12-26-2003, 09:04 PM
I appreciate your point of view, Dirk... the people who don't like Andy's game don't bother me at all. We each have our own tastes and just like things like music, movies, tv, books, colors, clothes, whatever.... it's a good thing there's something for everyone :)

I hear so many things about Brad, but yet he always comes off as a cool guy to me. I guess I haven't experienced him as much as some of you guys have though, so I'm sure that explains it. And no, I don't think he's rubbing off on Andy at all - if anything I think it might be the other way around with the bets and skydiving and practical jokes stuff that Andy does.

And if you want to keep coming here like this and having nice talks about Andy's game or whatever, as hopefully you've seen, we're more than happy to join in :)

I hope Andy will keep improving, for himself and so that more people don't hate his game so much. Considering this is only the end of his third year on the tour, I'd say it's looking pretty good. It seems to be lost in the shuffle that Andy's peers have all been on the tour a couple years longer than him, even though they're about the same age - and that's very important in terms of experience, knowing what to do in certain situations, maturity, poise, etc. Andy will keep coming along in both his game and things like his "antics" - which thankfully he has already improved a lot. But it's not Andy's fault that he's the type that feeds off the crowd, and because of that I think he'll probably always do better at home and places where he has a big crowd behind him. It's just a function of who he is, and it's one of the qualities I like about him :)

As you said, Roger's game is already much more complete than Andy's... he will improve more in the mental/confidence department though, whereas Andy is a little farther ahead in that area at this point. If they both continue to improve on their weaknesses, which I think is fair to expect of them both, it could very well turn into something long-lasting and that will be remembered!

I don't think Andy would ever swear at his opponents across the net. He has too much respect for them (which is sometimes his downfall, and IMO a part of why Andy has trouble with Roger, as I bring this digression full-circle).

Dirk
12-26-2003, 09:13 PM
Andy also did show some concern about the scheduling during the Open after both his semi and final matches. I don't think Andy liked the fact that he had some help due to the last two guys not getting an rest. I will give him that.

J. Corwin
12-26-2003, 09:14 PM
Yes he did. He's a fair player.

star
12-26-2003, 09:51 PM
Well, I like Lleyton too. :)

And of course, Guga is my very favorite player. :)

Havok
12-26-2003, 11:05 PM
attack Roger's backhand with his forehand weapon. also serve to his backhand more often than not

Deboogle!.
12-26-2003, 11:22 PM
Andy also did show some concern about the scheduling during the Open after both his semi and final matches. I don't think Andy liked the fact that he had some help due to the last two guys not getting an rest. I will give him that.

Yes, Andy is totally a fair player. That's why I don't understand how people could accuse him of faking being hurt during that Lapentti match. Andy definitely strikes me as the type who wants to accomplish things by his own doing...

star
12-26-2003, 11:43 PM
Andy and Nico had some words during that match, I think.

However, I think fans put a lot more stock in that than do the players. The players aren't having big feuds all the time.

star
12-26-2003, 11:43 PM
Except for McEnroe and Lendl that is. :)

Dirk
12-27-2003, 12:39 AM
Andy did fake cramps. He was so over the top with it. Nico called him on it and now he doesn't do that. He is young so I will forgive him for that. I will never be an Andy fan. Brad said alot of shit about Roger during Wimbly and has an low opinion of one handers therefore he doesn't have much respect for tennis traditionalists. Roger is the most gifted player on tour despite what the Safin fans think. Roger needs to be off for Andy or anyone else to beat him.

Naldo if Andre can't break Roger's backhand down with his groundstrokes nothing will.

Andy will win serveral more slams for sure. RG never but he can win the other three.

star
12-27-2003, 01:15 AM
See, I'm not a big fan of the "so and so has to be off for anyone to beat him." That's the argument of Williams sisters fans (apologies to Naldo). Sometimes another player simply is more "on" than the other player, or is able to get to his head or whatever. And then there are the bad match ups. I refuse to believe that Nalbandian has simply been lucky all the times he beat Federer and got him on an off day.

Deboogle!.
12-27-2003, 02:31 AM
Andy did fake cramps. He was so over the top with it. Nico called him on it and now he doesn't do that.

Well I don't want to rehash this AGAIN, but as I've said before, everything I read from Andy fans says he was really in pain and everything I've read from non-fans says he was faking.... so, I don't know what to believe since I didn't see it myself. But, I read the post-match press conference and he maintained that he was in pain and took the time-out to make sure nothing was wrong, at an important time during an important match. So again, :shrug: I don't know, but as of yet I haven't been convinced either way. I can dig up the conference if anyone cares. Maybe he doesn't "do that" anymore b/c Lapentti called him on it, OR maybe because he's in MUCH better shape now and doesn't cramp anymore... I see no convincing evidence one way or the other.

People have also said Andy faked his cramps in the Chang RG match and I did see that one for myself and that is just bullshit.

Before TMC, Andre obviously had Roger figured out. Now, I'm sure since the last time they'd played Roger improved, and Andre certainly wasn't his best at TMC (if he hadn't been so stale, it's quite likely he wouldn't have made the mistakes he made to waste the MPs in the first match - and that likely would've changed the whole landscape of the tournament for both of them). So, it's hard to say that Andre "can't" do it - he still has a winning record against Roger after all :) But I agree with your theory - Andre's got one of the best ground games out there and if he has trouble beating Roger that way, so will Andy or anyone else.

and star, I totally agree with you. To me, a win is a win (except perhaps when someone retires, especially if the match was close!) no matter what. Yes there are times when it's quite obvious that one person wasn't playing 100% and I can name several instances recently from many players... but most of the time it's hard to tell - maybe one person wasn't playing well, or maybe their opponent was playing so well that they make the other person play bad? That's pretty much what Dahveed does to Roger most of the time - he plays a way Roger doesn't like and it gets to his head and he starts making errors... so it's not that Roger had 5 off days, it's that Dahveed knows how to play to beat him. I hope that makes sense.

MisterQ
12-27-2003, 03:05 AM
Andre was unable to break down Roger's backhand in their last match, but previously it had sometimes worked, and it could conceivably work again. We'll see.

Roddick lacks Agassi's consistency and precision, but he has crushing power and heavier topspin with his inside-out forehand which could do some damage. I think it's still worth a try to attempt to break down Roger's BH (what other options are there, lol!)

I agree that Andy's back court position is a disadvantage against both Andre and Roger. But that's where he hits the ball the best, when he has time to set up the shot, and it will take time to make the adjustment of taking the ball early. It will be interesting to see whether Andy and Brad decide to attempt to make this adjustment or not.

Deboogle!.
12-27-2003, 03:18 AM
oh god.. I hope so!!

J. Corwin
12-27-2003, 03:33 AM
I certinaly hope he changes court positioning. Andy isn't a great mover so he really shouldn't be forced to cover so much ground.

heya
12-27-2003, 09:29 AM
It's always nice to read condescending
remarks about Roddick.
You know the pattern...
Start out with nice comments, give credit to Andy's "fairness", then make unfair comments.

When facts don't back up the accusations, accusations reveal a lot about the accuser.
I watched that Nic/Andy match...
AR doesn't need to be defended 'cuz that's a waste
of time.
Unbiased tennis fans may have seen the irony because Nicolas@French Open, laid down on the clay & writhed with cramps. You know, Andy
must be in horrible shape to "really" have an injury.
:p

Forbid divine players like Federer from
having injuries because Roddick fans
might lift a finger to type an accusation.

heya
12-27-2003, 10:34 AM
It's unusual for a guy Andy's size to continually
have so much improvements.

Call it pure power if you like, but it's common
for taller guys to have.
The media/commentators are either clueless or don't appreciate non-power winners that bigger guys make. Smaller guys get "wows" for doing the
same things that bigger guys do.
Talent is
what you add despite not having some in-born gifts.
Confidence, commitment, support & brains are important-not just hard work.
Many were born with speed & the right body type
but they don't always have
longevity.

Dirk
12-27-2003, 12:39 PM
Chang match was a different story. Whoever said Nico called him on it and therefore he doesn't do it anymore is probably right. I thought we all knew here that if Roger is on then most players if any don't have a chance. Look at the Montreal match for god's sake. Roger made how many doubles faults and errors when he was up??? It works both ways for sure. Take Andy and Timmy in Mason. Tim won that 3rd set breaker on all of Andy's unforced errors. There are plenty of bad match ups but the Roddick Federer one is not one of those. As for David, I will always assume he will have the edge on Roger till I see Roger using the same tactic on him as he did during the cup. You Andy fans are mad cause I came here and what said Roger is the better player? None of my complements to Andy were condescending. Andy is simply growing older and being more mature therefore why hold some of his actions against him which he did when he was younger. Andy's had some real injuries for sure out there (ankle) but he did fake cramps in that match because Nico had him. As for Federer, well the only really unprofessional on court thing he did was tanking that match in Dubai on purpose. Don't know if anyone here knows what I am talking about or not? That was shameful but he apoloized and made it up to the event by winning it this year.

heya
12-27-2003, 01:49 PM
Bunk, don't bother because more
posts are gonna be
similar to the "on-the-rag-24/7 girl's posts." LOL

Dirk
12-27-2003, 01:54 PM
yeah don't bother Bunk, some people here don't like intelligent discussion. you can only come here if your on Andy's bandwagon. Everyone else is considered an hater. :rolleyes:

star
12-27-2003, 02:35 PM
Chang match was a different story. Whoever said Nico called him on it and therefore he doesn't do it anymore is probably right. I thought we all knew here that if Roger is on then most players if any don't have a chance. Look at the Montreal match for god's sake. Roger made how many doubles faults and errors when he was up??? It works both ways for sure. Take Andy and Timmy in Mason. Tim won that 3rd set breaker on all of Andy's unforced errors. There are plenty of bad match ups but the Roddick Federer one is not one of those. As for David, I will always assume he will have the edge on Roger till I see Roger using the same tactic on him as he did during the cup. You Andy fans are mad cause I came here and what said Roger is the better player? None of my complements to Andy were condescending. Andy is simply growing older and being more mature therefore why hold some of his actions against him which he did when he was younger. Andy's had some real injuries for sure out there (ankle) but he did fake cramps in that match because Nico had him. As for Federer, well the only really unprofessional on court thing he did was tanking that match in Dubai on purpose. Don't know if anyone here knows what I am talking about or not? That was shameful but he apoloized and made it up to the event by winning it this year.

I remember Roger's tanking. Roger went through a period where he didn't give his all in matches....... or at least it appeared that he didn't give his all. I watched Guga beat Roger at IW (hardly anyone remembers that match) and Roger looked asleep. Well, he looks asleep even when he wins... lol.

Anyway, Dirk, your opinion is that Andy faked cramps, but you have no way of knowing for sure that he did. Your opinion is no more valid that anyone elses. Andy may have lied in his interview or you may be wrong. I think Nico suspected a fake because already many were saying that Andy faked cramps against Chang. There were a lot of comments from the players after that match about Andy's acting abilities. So, I don't think anyone really knows except Andy and perhaps the trainer.

And, all of us love Heya but Heya is only one voice out of many. However, please realize when you are a non-fan being critical of Andy, you might have to fade some heat on his forum.

And Heya might want to realize that the way fans greet non-fans has an effect on the non-fans opinions of Andy. :) I know it does for me. Sometimes there is a player that I have neutral feelings for but rabid fans just push me over the edge. But then, everyone knows all about my evilness. :devil:

Deboogle!.
12-27-2003, 02:53 PM
I've got no problem with Dirk's posts, heya, so please do not speak for me. I'm enjoying a fair, open, mature discussion about Andy for once, without insults flying and yelling and rolling eye smileys, so I'd like to see it continue.

What bothers me about the Montreal match is that people don't credit Andy with the win, they say Roger lost it. Matches get won and lost by people's double faults and errors all the time, but the winner isn't ever discredited, only Andy. Andy won that match, I don't care what Roger did to help him. Just like Andy won the USO SF no matter what Nalby did, and Hewitt won the DC match against Federer no matter what Federer did, etc.

star
12-27-2003, 03:54 PM
I always liked to listen to what Borg had to say about playing tennis because he was very laconic and to the point. People don't realize that Borg was the king of the five set match. People constantly were amazed that Borg always seemed to turn up his game to another level in these matches.

Some reporter asked him how he turned a match around. Borg responded that he only tried to hang in there mentally and play as well as he could and hope that the other player wasn't able to keep playing at that level. Then the reporter asked, but what if he is able to keep his level? Borg calmly responed, Then, I lose. :)

Dirk
12-27-2003, 03:57 PM
Negative points always help the other player. An win is a win no doubt, Andy never gave up and he won the match where as Roger got lazy and might have just tried to coast on his serve and take it easy on his remaining service games. It cost him dearly and well yet another learning experience. Andy won that match fair and square and he deserved the win. I was just pointing out that had Roger not letdown he would have won, which he would have. Same thing with the Hewitt match and many other matches with Hewitt. If Andy was in the same position I would say "Yes I am glad roger won but man he was lucky Andy let down." Of course Andy never does let down compared to Roger so I don't think that scenario would ever happen. Roger has learned the hard way too often about being more of an closer and not a choker. Next year I hope he will finally get with the program on an big match basis. Its a small but critical dent in his armor. I just don't get these Andy fans who hate it when some says someone else is more gifted. Oh and how come more of these Andy fans are not Federer fans? I only ever seen Jackson in the Federer Forum. If your a tennis fan then you have to love roger's game and since Roger is so nice and classy I can't imagine anyone not liking him.

Oh and bunk your right, just because Roger's backhand held up like steel in one Andre match and one week doesn't mean it will always be reliable. Still its a great sign for the future of that weapon. As a fan of Roger's over the years it has been so great to see his backhand getting better and better and Andre's groundstrokes are the ultimate test to one's side. I still can't believe Roger's backhand not only passed with flying colors in the final but actually put Andre on the defense and in some points pushed him off the court. :eek:

MisterQ
12-27-2003, 03:59 PM
I'm enjoying this discussion, and it seems that the title of the thread has drawn in a few Roger fans, which makes it all the more interesting, imo.

I did not witness the match in which "faking" allegedly occurred, and thus cannot really comment.

star
12-27-2003, 04:02 PM
"since Roger is so nice and classy I can't imagine anyone not liking him."

Really??? Well, you are a real fan then. :lol:

I can see many reasons that people wouldn't like him. :)

I like him ok, and I respect his game, but I just don't get a sweetie vibe from him, and because when I have seen him play live, he has always seemed out of sorts and disinterested.

Dirk
12-27-2003, 04:05 PM
When did you see him play live Star? Oh and on court demeanor and lack of interest in appearance has nothing to do with being nice and classy. I don't see the connection there. List the many reasons people don't like him. I would like to see it.

MisterQ
12-27-2003, 04:07 PM
Oh and how come more of these Andy fans are not Federer fans? I only ever seen Jackson in the Federer Forum. If your a tennis fan then you have to love roger's game and since Roger is so nice and classy I can't imagine anyone not liking him.

I LOVE Roger's game, Dirk! I did post a little congratulations in the Roger forum after his brilliant wins over Andre in Houston. (and this was hard because Andre is my absolute fave).

I like most of the players for their various strengths and personalities, actually. There are few who bother me.

star
12-27-2003, 04:07 PM
No, because I don't like to say nasty things about Roger, because I basically like him. And I know that his on court demeanor have nothing to do with Roger being nice and classy, but that's one of the reasons I've never been able to warm up to him.

Dirk, I go to IW every year. That's the only place I've seen Roger play. I've seen him in doubles too where he seems to have a good time even though he's not been successful.

star
12-27-2003, 04:11 PM
I like most of the players for their various strengths and personalities, actually. There are few who bother me.

I feel the same way. There are only a few players now that irritate me and who I want to see lose.

Vince Spadea tops that list. :)

And that is so terrible because I do admire the way the guy was able to claw his way back, but my god watching him play is a nightmare.

Dirk
12-27-2003, 04:16 PM
oh LOL well hell yeah no wonder you don't like him more. Wells has so far been like a nightmare for Roger. Losing to Guga in a tight two setter wasn't bad but i hope he will at least make the qrts there so you can see him some more. I hope he plays doubles there with Max or someone that can actually go really far there. Still I don't know why you would think that there are many reasons not to like him. Send me an PM about it and I will respond there.

Yeah Mister Q I did see your one post there. I was shocked that match wasn't longer and that rain delay killed the quality of the match. I think that rain is the only reason Roger bageled him.

MisterQ
12-27-2003, 04:17 PM
I feel the same way. There are only a few players now that irritate me and who I want to see lose.

Vince Spadea tops that list. :)

And that is so terrible because I do admire the way the guy was able to claw his way back, but my god watching him play is a nightmare.

I can't stand Rusedski.

Of the top players, I just can't warm up to Ferrero.

star
12-27-2003, 04:21 PM
Ferrero. That's interesting. Well, one of the reaons I like him is that he is so handsome. That goes a long way with me. :) My shallowness knows no bounds. And I love his fast feet.

I like all of the players in the top ten except Andre and Nalbandian, but I'm only the fan of a few.

Dirk
12-27-2003, 04:28 PM
JC is one of my favorite baseliners. Guga is my tops. JC is just shy and quiet. I am sure I would like him more personally if I read more about him. I do know he likes hamburgers and Julia Roberts. LOL That is about all. His sisters are cute too. :hearts:

Havok
12-27-2003, 05:24 PM
why did someone apologize to me when they said Williams fans??? :haha: i'm not a Williams fan, but on the other hand i do like to see Venus win, and not Serena :devil:
oh and Dirk the reason why i said to attack Roger's backhand is because, in all seriousness, i think that's his "weakness", as in it can let him down more than his forehand does. and because it's a one handed backhand, if you really attack it full force, it will take even more time away from Roger to produce the big swing to hit the shot. but even at that, Roger's backhand is still excellent. you brought up Agassi who couldn't attack Roger's backhand at TMC, but that was when Roger was playing insane tennis. now you can't play that kinds of tennis all the time, it's impossible. when Roger is playing average, which pretty much beats every single guy out there on the tour, that's when you have more of a chance to attack the backhand. do you understand what i'm trying to say?
i went to the backhand because all his other shots, imo, are better than that shot. that's the simplest reason i can give:wavey: but, once again, the backhand is still good.
oh and for the record, i don't like Roger. i have no reasons really, and it's not that he always beats Andy. i've always not liked Roger. take not, i don't HATE Roger, just don't like him. i just get this feeling about him, i get it with lots of players, and just don't necesarily like them thats all :shrug: but then again, i don't create thread and bash all these players i dont really like, unlike some people :p

star
12-27-2003, 05:41 PM
Me! That was me who apologized. I just remembered you from WTAW as a Williams fan. I'll take it back now, and think of you only as a Venus fan. :)

Deboogle!.
12-27-2003, 06:34 PM
It's not that I dislike Roger... I just don't really like him either. I'm rather indifferent, really. I appreciate his talent and his game, when he's playing well anyway, but there's nothing about him that draws me in and for me it's really a personal connection. My fave players, for various reasons, are just people that I feel like I connect to on some level. I know that's random and weird, but the tennis itself isn't actually all THAT important to me - because the way I see it, anyone who's good enough so that they'd be shown on tv or talked about to the point where I'd know his name, he must be good enough.. LOL

Dirk
12-27-2003, 08:36 PM
I get your points Naldo and I agree that its better to take your chances on the backhand than the forehand. I've never created an thread and bashed another player. I don't go into forums and bash players either and I've yet to see someone here do it in the Federer Forum so its a good sign. By the way I do have to say that Fedex is a bit unhinged. I cringe when I read some of her posts cause its not that I disagree with her by her presentation is very poor. I do agree that these two probably won meet each other all that much because even when their rankings go up and down an notch or two, they will have to make it near the end of the event to play each other. As for the upcoming Oz, if they do meet in the final; I will probably give the edge to Andy since the surface will better suit his kick serve.

Deboogle!.
12-27-2003, 09:10 PM
By the way I do have to say that Fedex is a bit unhinged. I cringe when I read some of her posts cause its not that I disagree with her by her presentation is very poor.

Thank you... I know if there were another Andy fan who couldn't talk about Andy without dissing other players, that'd really piss me off, and Fedex clearly cannot talk about Roger without putting Andy down, and it's really just tiring LOL

J. Corwin
12-27-2003, 10:55 PM
I don't particularly like Roger as a player for some reason. Like Deb (Bunk), I don't feel a connection with him. I do enjoy his tennis when he's on. I would never bash him either...nor would I ever bash any player for that matter.

Fedex gives me incentive to post more. :p

star
12-27-2003, 10:59 PM
I get your points Naldo and I agree that its better to take your chances on the backhand than the forehand. I've never created an thread and bashed another player. I don't go into forums and bash players either and I've yet to see someone here do it in the Federer Forum so its a good sign. By the way I do have to say that Fedex is a bit unhinged. I cringe when I read some of her posts cause its not that I disagree with her by her presentation is very poor. I do agree that these two probably won meet each other all that much because even when their rankings go up and down an notch or two, they will have to make it near the end of the event to play each other. As for the upcoming Oz, if they do meet in the final; I will probably give the edge to Andy since the surface will better suit his kick serve.

lol..... I just assumed Fedex was a man. :lol:

star
12-27-2003, 11:00 PM
I don't particularly like Roger as a player for some reason. Like Deb (Bunk), I don't feel a connection with him. I do enjoy his tennis when he's on. I would never bash him either...nor would I ever bash any player for that matter.

Fedex gives me incentive to post more. :p


You are SO good. :p

I guess I will have to reform my awful ways, but please please please please can't I say something nasty about Sampras and Nalbandian like.... maybe once every two months???????????

Deboogle!.
12-27-2003, 11:08 PM
But star.... I don't know what it is, but you are not offensive. Maybe you think you're doing the same thing, but as a Sampras fan, what you say doesn't bother me. Maybe it's because you don't laugh at those of us who do like him, you just go on your merry Pete-hating way and don't really waste your energy like these people do. I dunno, but to me it is different.

Winston's Human
12-27-2003, 11:11 PM
I too respect Roger as a player, but feel no personal connection like I do with Andy. I don't know if it is because Andy is an American, or that he is so charismatic, or what, since I have never before been a fan of big serve tennis. My past favorites were Wilander & Edberg in the 1980s and Chang & Courier in the 1990s.

Fedex
12-27-2003, 11:14 PM
Oh i have never posted here before, but i feel the need to! (I can find out rather quickly when someone posts about me)
I am a MAN Star, but i guess you just never know! This website is after all called MENS tennis forums! And I assumed you where a lady ,Star. Maybe a little immature though, for a lady!!! I know their are difinitly Andy fans that are guys 2! Not just immature high school girls who want an Andy autograph! :confused:

Deboogle!.
12-27-2003, 11:21 PM
I too respect Roger as a player, but feel no personal connection like I do with Andy. I don't know if it is because Andy is an American, or that he is so charismatic, or what, since I have never before been a fan of big serve tennis. My past favorites were Wilander & Edberg in the 1980s and Chang & Courier in the 1990s.

I didn't know you were an Andy fan! you should chat with us more :)

and fedex... it's called MEN's tennis forums because we're talking about MALE tennis players, not male fans :rolleyes: yes THERE, it's THERE, are several male Andy fans on this board. Plus, star's one of the most ladylike ladies on this board, if you took the time to read what she says.

Maybe if you typed like a "man" people would think you were a man and treat you like one. I've only ever seen teenage girls write the way you do online - and I really do not mean that as an insult, but an observation.

star
12-27-2003, 11:23 PM
I don't actually understand your point there, Fedex.

I was laughing at myself because Dirk called you a "she" I just thought I had been wrong about your sex. You might notice that I never said a bad word about you, but very nice to come into this forum and make a personal remark about me. :)

Fedex
12-27-2003, 11:25 PM
Oh, and please dont bash me in an Andy forum, becuase I rarely visit here! If you want to do that do it in GM, So atleast i'll know whats happening!! I would never EVER, bash an Andy fan, so i ask to not do it to me!! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: . I have nothing personal against Andy fans OR Andy, as some of you may believe!! It absolutly shows no CLASS to bash someone based on their opinions!!

star
12-27-2003, 11:28 PM
Wow.

As I said. I never said a single bad thing about you. You were the one who said something mean about me.

star
12-27-2003, 11:37 PM
I'm thinking that a blinking in disbelief smiley could come in handy. :)

J. Corwin
12-28-2003, 12:22 AM
Oh, and please dont bash me in an Andy forum, becuase I rarely visit here! If you want to do that do it in GM, So atleast i'll know whats happening!! I would never EVER, bash an Andy fan, so i ask to not do it to me!! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: . I have nothing personal against Andy fans OR Andy, as some of you may believe!! It absolutly shows no CLASS to bash someone based on their opinions!!

No one was bashing you. You were the one who came into this thread and started attacking star.

You're always welcome here of course.

Deboogle!.
12-28-2003, 12:45 AM
whoa dude.... calm down.... no one bashed anyone LOL!

and yea, as Jace said, you're always welcome as long as you want to discuss maturely.

tangerine_dream
12-30-2003, 02:37 AM
I'm still holding out for a Roddick-Hewitt rivalry to finally take shape. ;)

Dirk, I'm a Fed fan too, and I think he's a classy dude most of the time but I also sense a darker side to him. I don't mean that in a bad way at all, either. All top athletes have a dark side to them otherwise they wouldn't be one of the best! I love reading all those stories about what a hellion on the court Fed was when he was a kid. Turns out Andy's not the only one who knows how to throw a tandrum. LOL. :lol: Also, I didn't like how Fed kinda dissed the US Open fans and complained loudly about the TMC Houston court (meanwhile, he was the only one to play near perfectly on it. LOL!). But it's no big deal to me. Personally, I still don't get how some people can "hate" Andy for throwing his racket, as if he were the first to do that, but whatever. :shrug:

Oh, hi Fedex, nice to see you know how to use the board search engine for "Federer". LOL.

Deboogle!.
12-30-2003, 02:44 AM
lol tangy!!!!!!! :worship:

Iza
12-30-2003, 10:29 AM
U ppl are BLIND if u can't see that there's NOTHING that your darling Andy-PANDY can do against SUCH a player like Rogi! He can only beat him if he's in a shitty day! The same with Marat! And u know y Pandy won USO? Bcoz the linesmen called off a good ball David had on match point and poor him got lost! And in the final poor lil Juanqui made such a bad match that even I could have beat him!

Iza
12-30-2003, 10:32 AM
U can pick on me if u want to but I'm a real Pandy HATER altho I used to be a fan b4 he dumped Tarik Benhabilles but since he is coached by Gilbert I can't stand him!!! I have to admit he CAN serve but that's about it! Power shots and violent serves aren't all! They're for one-hit wonders! :devil:

Dirk
12-30-2003, 11:01 AM
Roger's comments regarding the Open fans is pretty much true. Compared to the other slam events the USA fans are really rowdy. Its just his opinion. He wasn't disrespectful about it. As for the Cup court, its is ironic that the guy who complains about it wins the event. All he said was that the court felt a little uneven. Its not his fault Mattress Mac rushed to get the thing finished in time. Roger sometimes does blow a fuse but his rare outbursts are not center stage and really over the top as others.

Deboogle!.
12-30-2003, 01:42 PM
Iza, if you're gonna come to the Andy board and turn a mature discussion immature, you might as well get your facts right.

Match point in the David match at the USO was a 138mph ace. not a questionable line call.

Havok
12-30-2003, 04:36 PM
ok now the Roddick haters are almost eclipsing the Williams sisters haters. hatred in his own forum, well that's new
ok Iza, if you were a fan of someone before, but are now not a fan anymore, then you= not a true fan!
how can you drop one of your favorites? that's the stupidest things i've ever heard.
second of all, like bunk mentioned, there was no bad call on matchpoint, just a nice clean ace:rocker2:
and all this crap about Federer/Marat having to play an absolutely shit match for Andy to win, well that's a bunch of bullshit. first of all you can't bring Marat into the equation because they've only played eachother once, way back in 2001. that was Andy's 1st year on tour, and if i remember correctly the score was something like 6-3 6-4. wasn't such a whitewashing now was it
and if you watch the US open finals match and stop nitpicking at it because Andy won it and you can't stand the fact of it, you would notice that Ferrero wasn't playing like shit. he was hitting more winners than errors, didn't really hit that many stupid errors, maybe like 2-3. he just got outplayed, but of course you will deny that till you're in your grave.
what i dont understand is that Andy fans never start threads, go into other player forums, and bring up people in threads not even talking about them and bash certain players while pretty much all you Andy haters do what we don't. man i would love to see what kind of life you live, and if you act the same in real life, i'm surprised you haven't received the beatings of your lives

tangerine_dream
12-30-2003, 06:01 PM
How much you guys wanna bet that Iza ("Hi, I'm 12") and Fedex went running back to their Federer forums and announced that the Andy fans were "bashing" Fed and they must all come back here to defend their Rogi! :haha:

Now watch all the hysterical idiot Fed fans who can't hold a mature discussion show up here. :rolleyes: And we were having such a good discussion about two great players, too!

star
12-30-2003, 07:02 PM
Iza, if you're gonna come to the Andy board and turn a mature discussion immature, you might as well get your facts right.

Match point in the David match at the USO was a 13mph ace. not a questionable line call.


Didja wanna edit that post? :lol:

Deboogle!.
12-30-2003, 07:44 PM
haha guess so

J. Corwin
12-31-2003, 02:38 AM
Just keep bringing on the hate Iza. I like to dish out some nice verbal thrashing once in awhile. :)
If you couldn't see that we were having a mature discussion about Andy and Roger (no bashing of Fed involved), then YOU are the one that is blind.

MisterQ
12-31-2003, 05:01 AM
Hey, I was just going through my parent's videotapes (they sometimes tape matches if they think I'll be interested -- gotta love 'em!) and I found that they taped the Andy/Roger Wimbledon semi! I never got to see this match -- so I'm watching it now. :cool: :yippee:

star
12-31-2003, 05:22 AM
Let us know how it turns out. ;)

MisterQ
12-31-2003, 05:25 AM
Let us know how it turns out. ;)

:lol:

You sure you wanna know? ;)

MisterQ
12-31-2003, 05:38 AM
Andy just lost the first set. :sad:

But boy, it was close!

If Andy hadn't missed that forehand on his set point... :mad:

J. Corwin
12-31-2003, 09:10 AM
yea...that much talked about missed set point in the 1st set.

who knows what would've happened.

Action Jackson
12-31-2003, 09:59 AM
Victory to Federer jackson.

Dirk
12-31-2003, 01:34 PM
Roger would have won anyway. He was wearing Andy down. Did you see how Andy was drenched in sweat half way through the 2nd set? Also Roger made the same mistake Andy made on his 1st service point in the tiebreaker so I guess you can say Andy evened it out.

star
12-31-2003, 02:25 PM
:lol:

I knew that would be your opinion, Dirk. :)

Deboogle!.
12-31-2003, 02:34 PM
Oh I agree, Roger likely would've won but you never know. It would've made it more interesting at least. Roger probably would've won but it wouldn't have been such a steamrolling.

But you can't make every forehand, so c'est la vie. The one on MP down during the AO QF was pretty darn special :)

tangerine_dream
12-31-2003, 02:46 PM
Just keep bringing on the hate Iza. I like to dish out some nice verbal thrashing once in awhile. :)
If you couldn't see that we were having a mature discussion about Andy and Roger (no bashing of Fed involved), then YOU are the one that is blind.

:yeah: jackson! You said it. :bigclap:

MisterQ
12-31-2003, 03:23 PM
OK, I finished watching the match. What they say is true --- Federer was walking on water the last two sets! Andy didn't actually play all that badly, though he was clearly getting frustrated.

Regarding the question of the first set, who knows. Would Federer have swung away so freely if he hadn't pulled ahead then? Maybe not.

Anyway, it was an entertaining match-up. Looking forward to seeing them play in 2004! :)

Deboogle!.
12-31-2003, 03:27 PM
Regarding the question of the first set, who knows. Would Federer have swung away so freely if he hadn't pulled ahead then? Maybe not.


I doubt it... most people play better when they're confident and in the lead. Like I said, he likely still would've won but it wouldn't have been the same sort of victory.

Dirk
12-31-2003, 03:43 PM
Oh Star so you knew I would point out the facts. Well it's a good thing I am here since some can't think on their own. I do wish in fact Andy did win that set point. I would have liked to see at least a 4 setter.

star
12-31-2003, 03:48 PM
"Facts" :lol:

But I do think that Andy was very nervous in that match for some reason. Maybe it was because he was facing Federer.

Dirk
12-31-2003, 04:02 PM
Also Roger made the same mistake Andy made on his 1st service point in the tiebreaker so I guess you can say Andy evened it out.

That is a fact, but naturally you don't want to consider it since Roger wasn't born in Nebraska. That is really the only fact you care about. Both guys were nervous but probably Roger more so since it was his first semi in a slam. I am sure Roger went into the match with a lot of confidence because of his record with Roddick and the fact that he beat the greatest grasscourt player in history in a classic 5 set thriller a few years back.

star
12-31-2003, 04:09 PM
:eek:

Deboogle!.
12-31-2003, 04:51 PM
Dirk, considering every single other player star likes is not from America, that's a pretty, no wait, EXTREMELY, shady accusation.

I'm sure Andy was nervous - he knew how well Federer had been playing throughout the whole tournament, on top of the fact that Federer is in his head anyway.

However, it is subjective that a mistake on the first point and the mistake on a SET point is "even" - Roger could come back from his mistake but set point is set point and it's over. That creates a big difference, so I disagree with you saying that's a "fact."

tangerine_dream
12-31-2003, 05:08 PM
That is a fact, but naturally you don't want to consider it since Roger wasn't born in Nebraska. That is really the only fact you care about.

This small-minded accusation you made against star, of all people, negates your otherwise intelligent arguments, Dirk. Come back to the voice of reason! We like you better that way.

MisterQ
12-31-2003, 05:22 PM
Star does have "positive feelings about Nebraska."

We have that on file! ;)

Deboogle!.
12-31-2003, 05:26 PM
Nebraska's sort of a harmless state - I can't think of any reasons to be hostile towards it LOL!!

star
12-31-2003, 05:30 PM
I did notice Andy at first because he was from Nebraska. I started following him in the juniors. I didn't know anything about him at all, but I think there has never been a tennis player from Nebraska. I learned that he hadn't lived there since he was a little kid, but that was one of the first things that piqued my interest in him. I gave Dirk that bit of information when I was telling him how I became a fan.

I guess it is weird for some people, but I do get interested in players depending where they are from, but that's not my sole criteria. I like Swedish players, but the Swedish guys are great guys to follow and my two or three of my all time favorites came from Sweden. I also tend to get interested in Latin American Players. I don't know why. I used to love Vilas. But I pay attention to the young South American guys.

I also always root for Netherlands in Davis Cup. I just love them. Maybe it is because the fans throw oranges on the court. :)

I also have had some fondness for Swiss players since one of my all time favorites was from Switzerland.

But sometimes I just like somebody for random reasons.

I also like to laugh and make fun and don't take tennis completely seriously, unless one of my sweeties is getting trounced and booed. So, maybe I laugh too much or am not influenced by what others see as facts.

Anyway, I seem to have pissed Dirk off and I'm sorry about that, but I thought it was just good natured razzing. Guess I was too irreverent.

star
12-31-2003, 05:31 PM
Star does have "positive feelings about Nebraska."

We have that on file! ;)

Darn tootin' :)

But I don't wear red exclusively.

Dirk
12-31-2003, 05:35 PM
Bunk you also seem to forget that Roger followed up Andy's unforced error with an great forehand winner on Andy's other service point. Andy then fell into a hole and Roger wrapped it up with an ace. It wasn't over after that set point. I just wish people would be more logical when it comes to their posts. Had Roger never made that same mistake Andy made on his 1st service point then there would be no set point for Andy to begin with. Because I chose to cancel both of those errors out which is what happened; everyone seems to think that I'm being way too subjective.

Dirk
12-31-2003, 05:37 PM
oh well from now on tell me when your fucking with me Star. :angel:

Deboogle!.
12-31-2003, 05:39 PM
I'm not saying you're subjective overall, just that the judgement of them equalling each other out is not a hard and fast "fact."

And considering all my friends accuse me of being TOO logical, I don't know how to take what you say. All I am trying to say is that if that forehand had gone in, it probably would've been a winner, Andy probably would've won the set, and it would've changed the makeup of the match even if it still ended the same way. I'm not saying anything DEFINITELY would have happened.

star
12-31-2003, 05:43 PM
Bunk you also seem to forget that Roger followed up Andy's unforced error with an great forehand winner on Andy's other service point. Andy then fell into a hole and Roger wrapped it up with an ace. It wasn't over after that set point. I just wish people would be more logical when it comes to their posts. Had Roger never made that same mistake Andy made on his 1st service point then there would be no set point for Andy to begin with. Because I chose to cancel both of those errors out which is what happened; everyone seems to think that I'm being way too subjective.

All I am saying....... other than "give peace a chance".... is that sometimes what you see as "facts" with no other possible interpretation are actually "facts" with other possible interpretations, and that is subjective. You want people to be logical, but please, this is also logic: People love with their hearts as well as their minds. Because we love Andy, we might see your "facts" a little differently. And because this is the Andy forum, I think we're entitled to do that without chastisement. :)

J. Corwin
01-01-2004, 01:52 AM
Well said, star. :)

And seeing new posters in here just shows how popular Andy is.

heya
01-01-2004, 02:20 AM
popular= unique, sarcastic, charming, humorous, underestimated, genuine, hot-looking, has 6 pack belly, makes mean guys mad;)

Mm huh, false info about any player
...is bad, no matter who you like.

Action Jackson
01-01-2004, 03:28 AM
I actually came in here to read what the Roddick lovers have to say, and be mildly entertained.

Well, the great what if question when it comes to the Wimbledon semi final, if Roddick had won the 1st set it might have been different. Well not the way Roger was playing that day, he never looked like losing that particular match.

Yes, Montreal it was more of a case of Roger losing that match than Andy winning it. Roger was serving like a dog in the later parts of that third set, and Andy kept hanging in there and when his chance came he took full advantage.

That's definitely been one of Roddick's strengths last season, was he took advantage of his opportunities, whether it was through scheduling, draws opening up, opponents not finishing him off, Ferrero and Federer not playing well enough at times when the #1 ranking was there to be taken.

Kudos to Andy, he made the most of his chances during the last season, but now a new season begins and for the Roddick fans out there, you better hope he handles the role of the hunted and not the hunter.

Deboogle!.
01-01-2004, 03:39 AM
wow GWH, that must've hurt a lot

heya
01-01-2004, 03:45 AM
:lol: :lol:

J. Corwin
01-01-2004, 04:59 AM
GWH, glad to see you find the thread amusing. Andy just attracts people's attention. :)

Action Jackson
01-01-2004, 05:02 AM
Thank you jackson for your insightful comments.

No, bunkie you just hurt me all round that's all.

J. Corwin
01-01-2004, 05:18 AM
You're welcome.

And glad to see you utilize the edit function often.

Action Jackson
01-01-2004, 06:14 AM
Thank you for your insincerity jackson, it was appreciated.

The edit and the mute button are my friends, and they need to be looked after.

I am almost surprised that no one has had a go at the comments I made earlier, since I am such a hater.

heya
01-01-2004, 06:16 AM
:lol:

J. Corwin
01-01-2004, 06:50 AM
Would you like people to have a go at your comments, GWH?

I'm just to lazy to deal with them at the moment.

heya
01-01-2004, 07:01 AM
LMAO!!!

Prophetic
01-01-2004, 10:11 AM
I'm just to lazy to deal with them at the moment.

I'm guessing that it helps that you give less than half a shit. ;)

star
01-01-2004, 01:29 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha:

My sides hurt from laughing. :lol:

star
01-01-2004, 01:29 PM
:bigclap: Andy fans.

Deboogle!.
01-01-2004, 02:14 PM
I'm so sorry to hurt you so much GWH, you must be a poor sensitive fascist...

but you had to have known I posted here so I guess you're just a masochist for coming

and star..... :kiss:

Deboogle!.
01-01-2004, 02:34 PM
as for your comments, what exactly would you like us to say? I mean you basically just rehashed what we've said many times in this thread and throughout the board.

I'm not having the Montreal discussion again because that's not how I look at things. People don't lose matches, people win them. Andy won the match at the USO against Nalbandian, he won the match against Roger in Montreal, the match against Coria at TMC, against El-Aynaoui at the AO, etc. And the reverse is true. Andy was up against Massu in Madrid, and Massu won. He was up against Rainer at TMC and Rainer won. No player plays the exact same level every day, if Roger served like crap in the 3rd set to blow a lead, that's his problem but the fact that, as you said, Andy hung around, means he won, because any player could, and many do, give up when they're down a break in the final set.

So whatever, GWH, if you have to believe that Roger threw the match just to be able to comprehend the horror of him losing to Andy, then go and be on your merry way and and wallow in sorrow somewhere else, cuz we're really tired of hearing it here.

As for Andy making the best of what comes to him, of course. He made the best of drawing the only person to beat him all summer 1st round at the USO. He made the best when he and Xavier chose to continue playing when it was raining and everyone else stopped. He made the best when he was MP down and found the guts to bomb a 138mph ace. He made the best when a fellow player publicly trashed him and he came out looking like the mature gentleman. He made the best when the pressure of the entire country was on him and he served 4 service winners to win the USO. And it's not his fault that Ferrero crashed during his last 6 matches. It was Ferrero's to keep and he lost.

You all should be so angry at Ferrero, for it's his fault he lost the #1 right? I mean that's your logic with Federer losing to him so it must translate to the logic of Andy getting number 1 too, that was handed to him on a silver platter too, I suppose.

as for him being the 'hunted' and not the 'hunter' well thank you Captain Obvious. If you think we're so stupid that you had to come here and tell us that, then you shouldn't have even bothered. No one here has unrealistic expectations about Andy, you just think we do and want us to so that you can keep making fun of us.

Havok
01-01-2004, 04:18 PM
weeeeeeeee, geaux thread geaux :rocker2:
the extent these Roddick haters go to is beyond me :o

Deboogle!.
01-01-2004, 04:21 PM
lol a little franglais, eh?

anyway whatever, I'm done. If more haters want to come in and make themselves look like asses, be my guest :p

Havok
01-01-2004, 04:34 PM
oh you want me to introduce you to some of my pattented franglaise? i'de be more than happy to, but i could fill up a whole page with them :o
and geaux just sounds funnier :p

Deboogle!.
01-01-2004, 04:37 PM
hehehehe one of my friends studied in France for a semester and he is the king of franglais. j'adore it ;)

Havok
01-01-2004, 07:13 PM
oh no bunk, i clearly outshine your friend. i've been "studying" french for um........ 13 years of my life, and i'm only 18, so thats a lot of time. and to top it all off it's Quebec french, it doesnt get any funnier than the Quebec slang french.

Deboogle!.
01-01-2004, 07:55 PM
where u looking in the mirror?

Nope she was looking at her husband :) (sorry tangy I couldn't resist)

and Naldo I was only kidding! LOL!!

J. Corwin
01-01-2004, 08:53 PM
I'm still waiting for GWH to come back. :)

J. Corwin
01-01-2004, 08:54 PM
I'm guessing that it helps that you give less than half a shit. ;)

yeah. ;) I reply when I'm bored.

Action Jackson
01-02-2004, 05:36 AM
riginally Posted by 1jackson2001
I'm still waiting for GWH to come back

Ah, jackson one of my favourite people on MTF. This is almost like one of those incredibly trashy shows. Once I have seen it, I should move on, but nah the gripping enjoyment of the environment around me has lead to me almost to read this section daily to make sure that nothing has been missed in this mysterious galaxy.

MisterQ
01-02-2004, 05:43 AM
Jackson ---- the next Jerry Springer?! ;)

Tingu
01-02-2004, 05:56 AM
yeh

Action Jackson
01-02-2004, 09:01 AM
originally Posted by MisterQ
Jackson ---- the next Jerry Springer?!


Just remember jackson. Take care of yourself and each other.

star
01-02-2004, 12:03 PM
I'm having some trouble seeing Jackson as Jerry Springer, but I'm sure there are he has depths I haven't yet seen. :)

Deboogle!.
01-02-2004, 03:27 PM
hahaha Jace as Jerry Springer LOL!!

and Tingu, glad you've started to post down here :)

J. Corwin
01-02-2004, 08:12 PM
Whoa...I come in here and what do I read? I've been anointed as the next Jerry Springer.

And GWH, you're one of my fave people here too. ;)

Prophetic
01-02-2004, 11:53 PM
Whoa...I come in here and what do I read? I've been anointed as the next Jerry Springer.

And GWH, you're one of my fave people here too. ;)

As long as you never ask me to be on your own show baby...it's all good

J. Corwin
01-03-2004, 08:04 AM
ok :)

Action Jackson
01-03-2004, 09:03 AM
Come on jackson I think you have the qualities like Jerry to laugh at your own show for having some of the more interesting creatures on your show.

You could use JacksonCam following Gilbert around to find out the actual moment, when he doesn't say a word.

star
01-03-2004, 02:11 PM
Tingu!!

I didn't welcome you. :wavey: Welcome!

J. Corwin
01-03-2004, 10:25 PM
Welcome Tingu. :)

tangerine_dream
01-04-2004, 05:12 AM
Federer takes aim at Roddick
BY CHARLES BRICKER
South Florida Sun-Sentinel

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. - (KRT) - It's one day before the start of the 2004 tennis season, and Roger Federer is in no hurry to whack that first serve.

For the first time since his first full pro season in 2000, he is not scheduled to play a warmup tournament before the Australian Open. He's neither scheduled into Doha, Qatar, which begins Monday, nor into Sydney, which starts its seven-day run a week later, ending a day before the start of the tour's first Grand Slam.

In addition, Federer still is without a coach, having jettisoned happy-go-lucky Peter Lundgren late last season, though he still has not satisfactorily explained why. About all he has confessed to is that, "I've been thinking about it some time."

Federer, who won the Masters and finished the year at No. 2, is not the first player to dump a coach after hitting or nearly hitting the top. Marcelo Rios once excused Larry Stefanki, who had helped him get to No. 1, and Lleyton Hewitt two years ago fired fellow Aussie Darren Cahill after reaching No. 1.

Despite his best year, in which he won his first Slam (Wimbledon) and the Masters and recorded a 78-17 record, Federer could be searching for someone to drive him harder physically. The corpulent Lundgren is an excellent teacher of the game, but he's never left people with the impression that a high fitness level is No. 1 on his agenda.

Certainly, Federer looks fit and has an excellent record in three-set matches (33-8 in 2003). But since he beat Pete Sampras at Wimbledon in 2001 in a five-set gripper, he has lost his past four five-set matches, including three in 2003 (Aussie Open to David Nalbandian; Gstaad to Jiri Novak; Davis Cup to Hewitt).

No one who has met Lundgren wanted to see him fired. He's affable, knowledgeable and a great tour character. But this may be yet another signal that Federer is determined to push Andy Roddick out of the No. 1 spot, and Roddick vs. Federer has the stuff to become a great, long-lasting rivalry.

They met three times last season, all in semifinals, with Federer winning at Wimbledon, Roddick at the Masters event in Montreal and Federer again at the Masters Championships at Houston. Federer leads overall 5-1.

Federer isn't scheduled to play until the Aussie Open (Jan. 19-Feb. 1), but he could take a wild card into Sydney if he changes his mind.

The rest of the top 10:

No. 1 Roddick, of Boca Raton, opens this week at Doha; No. 3 Juan Carlos Ferrero will start at the Aussie Open; No. 4 Andre Agassi will start at the Open, though he'll play some exhibitions before the Slam; No. 5 Guillermo Coria was to start at Doha but has pulled an abductor muscle in his leg and is out for a couple of weeks; No. 6 Rainer Schuettler plays Doha; No. 7 Carlos Moya goes to Chennai, India, which begins this week; No. 8 Nalbandian plays Adelaide, which also begins this week; No. 9 Mark Philippoussis and No. 10 Sebastien Grosjean of Boca play Doha.

On the men's side:

_Two players coming back from injury have exceptional games. One is Tommy Haas, who has been off with shoulder problems more than a year. The other is Guillermo Canas, the gritty Argentine whose wrist injury finished him early in 2003. Haas is 3-0 against Roddick.

_Tim Henman began to recover his lost game late last season, has split with Stefanki and now is working part-time with former Pete Sampras coach Paul Annacone. He's one of the last of the serve-and-volley players.

_Philippoussis' runner-up finish at Wimbledon showed he has found a fitness formula that will keep him out of rehab for a long stretch of time. With his big game, he still has Grand Slam title potential.

_Young Americans to watch: No. 20 Mardy Fish of Tampa, No. 30 Robby Ginepri of Marietta, Ga., and No. 33 Taylor Dent of Newport Beach, Calif.

J. Corwin
01-04-2004, 07:57 AM
cool article

star
01-04-2004, 02:48 PM
Good article. But it seems weird to me to think that the reason for getting rid of Lundgren was because Lundgren wasn't pushing him physically. If that were the case, he would only need to hire a trainer or just consult with one, if money is an issue. (And I'm thinking Federer likes to watch his pockebook.) Somehow, I don't think that is the reason for dumping Lundgren.

Deboogle!.
01-04-2004, 03:54 PM
yea I agree star, that wouldn't make sense - many players have a coach and a trainer.

J. Corwin
01-04-2004, 08:23 PM
Roger never did have a trainer, did he?

star
01-04-2004, 09:04 PM
I think he did have a trainer.......... but that's a question for Federer fans.

tangerine_dream
01-14-2004, 05:48 PM
I just posted this in the AO thread and just had to post it in this wonderful Andy vs. Roger thread. ;)

Comparing the two side-by-side, it's quite fascinating to see two such different style players have such a similar record. Not only that, but they both crashed out in the first round of RG in the last two years! How weird is that? Perhaps they really do have some kind of symbiotic relationship. :eek:

Roddick's 2003 Record:

Hardcourt Record: 47-11
Carpet Record: 3-1
Clay Record: 12-6
Grass Record: 10-1
Overall Record (including non-ATP events): 72-19
ATP rank: 1


Federer's 2003 Record:

Hardcourt Record: 48-12
Carpet Record: 3-1
Clay Record: 15-4
Grass Record: 12-0
Overall Record (including non-ATP events): 78-17
ATP rank: 2

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 06:31 PM
wow that really is quite similar.

Havok
01-14-2004, 08:57 PM
andy's carpet record is all wrong. he should have 3 more wins and one more loss. Basel is played on carpet and he got to the semis. and roger should have one more loss for carpet. im doing this off the top of my head, but im pretty sure im right

Deboogle!.
01-14-2004, 09:05 PM
that's true, Naldo, he would've had 2 losses on carpet - one Basel and one Paris and he made the semis of both.... so yea, those aren't really right lol

J. Corwin
01-15-2004, 02:06 AM
You've made some mistakes, Tangy. Very comparable records of course.

tangerine_dream
01-15-2004, 02:57 AM
I got the stats from ESPN. Here's an updated version from another site. Better? ;)

RODDICK
Titles Year: 2003
W-L Hard: 44-10
W-L Clay: 12-6
W-L Grass: 10-1
W-L Carpet: 6-2

FEDERER
Titles Year: 2003
W-L Hard: 46-11
W-L Clay: 15-4
W-L Grass: 12-0
W-L Carpet: 5-2

Deboogle!.
01-15-2004, 03:13 AM
yep, that matches what tenniscorner says :)

J. Corwin
01-15-2004, 07:31 AM
a lot better now

Havok
01-15-2004, 02:56 PM
um does federer's carpet record look right? it should be 3-2, but they counted davis cup matches :rolleyes: in actual matches roger is 3-2 on carpet.

J. Corwin
01-16-2004, 01:00 AM
I'm sure you're right, Naldo.