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APAT (Another Pointless Andy Thread)

Deboogle!.
12-22-2003, 04:03 AM
As I said in another thread I watched set 5 of the 2001 USO QF against Hewitt... anyone who doesn't think that anger doesn't get the best of Andy and brings down his level of play needs to see the last game. GAH! It's a shame to see such an amazingly high-quality fifth set (I wish the match was on VHS and not DVD or I'd make vids of some of the amazing points Andy played lol) and then for it to end the way it did. He probably has, but Andy needs to watch that one game over and over and over...... and over. and make sure he never does it again lol

And yet it also showed so much about Andy and the kind of person he is, especially considering he had just turned 19. It ends on such a horrible note and they talk to Andy right after the match, his voice all shaky and it looks like he's gonna cry and he's STILL visibly really mad about the bad call and the first thing he does is thank the fans and the second congratulate Lleyton. Yea, Andy's such a stuck-up ass :rolleyes:

but man, I cannot WAIT to see them play again! Their contrasting styles really do make it exciting, plus I love how they both play at such high intensity.

and tangie, as much as you prepared me for these matches it didn't work LOL

OK I told you this was sort of pointless.... don't mind me!

star
12-22-2003, 04:07 AM
:wavey:

I'm sure it felt good to get it all out. :)

But......... nighty night. Time for the old lady to go to bed.

Deboogle!.
12-22-2003, 04:08 AM
heeeeeeey missed ya around here lately!

LOL Yes I did need to get it all out plus I'm tired so I had to get it out even more

sleep tight :) and don't call yourself "the old lady" - we will have none of that talk here :p

J. Corwin
12-22-2003, 04:44 AM
lol. I enjoyed your rant. And I agree wholeheartedly.

Deboogle!.
12-22-2003, 04:46 AM
lol was that really a rant? haha guess so. If I hadn't already known about his meltdown, I probably would've gotten really mad at him about it lmao. When he gets angry like that and lets it distract his game - those are the only times I hate him LOL!

J. Corwin
12-22-2003, 05:25 AM
Hate is such a strong word. You can't really hate Andy now can you. ;)

Deboogle!.
12-22-2003, 01:38 PM
when he gets mad and then plays like shit? Yep ;) But it's temporary...unless he loses because of it :p

tangerine_dream
12-22-2003, 03:03 PM
Since that match, Andy hasn't had a meltdown as bad as that one, so at least he learned his lesson. He had several bad calls in the AO but he did manage to shake them off. He is learning.

And I agree, I absolutely cannot wait for Andy and Lleyton to meet up again. Watch the fireworks explode! :aparty:

And bunk, did you catch that part where Andy looked like he was about to stiff the chair ump and not shake his hand after the game? It seemed like at the last second, he decided against it and went back to shake the guy's hand. That's how angry Andy was. Hoo boy! :scared:

Maybe you should rename this thread "Pointless Thread"? :lol:

Deboogle!.
12-22-2003, 03:23 PM
Since that match, Andy hasn't had a meltdown as bad as that one, so at least he learned his lesson. He had several bad calls in the AO but he did manage to shake them off. He is learning.

totally, that was something I thought about - thank goodness! LOL! Actually that AO match was one of the best I've seen from him where he got angry and didn't let it get to him. But then again that match was just special from all accounts lol... he's gotten a lot better for SURE, and especially under Brad, but he did have a couple minor meltdowns that weren't too pretty (I heard the Henman match over the summer that he lost was pretty bad and he should've won)

And bunk, did you catch that part where Andy looked like he was about to stiff the chair ump and not shake his hand after the game? It seemed like at the last second, he decided against it and went back to shake the guy's hand. That's how angry Andy was. Hoo boy! :scared:

YES Lol I did notice that, I was like "Whoa Andy" and then he went over and I wanted to pat his head *good boy* LOL!

The other thing I noticed was whenever they went into the stands to talk to PMac.... I didn't realize his lips have been attached to Andy's ass THAT long! LMAO!!!!!!!!


Maybe you should rename this thread "Pointless Thread"? :lol:

hhmmph.... talking about Andy can't be pointless!!! :p

tangerine_dream
12-22-2003, 03:37 PM
(I heard the Henman match over the summer that he lost was pretty bad and he should've won)

Which Henman match was this? Did he have another tandrum? :p

The other thing I noticed was whenever they went into the stands to talk to PMac.... I didn't realize his lips have been attached to Andy's ass THAT long! LMAO!!!!!!!!

Yeah, Patty Mac is quite enamored with Andy, isn't he? And who can blame him? ;)

hhmmph.... talking about Andy can't be pointless!!! :p

Another Pointless Andy Thread. :lol:

Deboogle!.
12-22-2003, 03:59 PM
Which Henman match was this? Did he have another tandrum? :p

Yeah, Patty Mac is quite enamored with Andy, isn't he? And who can blame him? ;)

Another Pointless Andy Thread. :lol:

It was the Legg Mason one in DC... I didn't see it but I read about it. Andy had at least one if not two MPs and I just remember reading about a meltdown.... wish I could remember where :( It wasn't a post-match press conference b/c that tournament's too small for ASAP to cover it.. so I dunno lol

LOL so it's an APAT ;)

Havok
12-22-2003, 04:29 PM
the other Andy "metldown" was washington semis vs henman. yup he had matchpoint, but it was on henman's serve, and we all know how well Andy returns now do we:lol: the metldown happened in the 2nd set, which is why he had lost it, not the 3rd set. he lost the 3rd set because he played utter crao in the tiebreak, but better for us because i think had he won that match, he wouldnt have won Montreal, Cincy, and then the US Open. oh and you can forgive Andy, i mean the kid was only just that, a kid at 19 years old:hug: i mean that was probably the biggest match of his career right there, and when it was only your 1st year on tour and to be in such a huge match like that, he had no experience to draw from. oh and if Hewitt and Andy meet up again, expect Andy to win:rocker2: im dead serious. Hewitt plays crappy, oops i mean scrappy tennis, and Andy doesn't give away so many points as he used to, and he'll pick apart that hoprrible Hewitt serve like there's no tomorrow:banana:

Deboogle!.
12-22-2003, 04:43 PM
thanks for clearing up the Henman stuff... whatever I read made it absolutely sound like Andy would've won the match if it weren't for the meltdown lol..

oh and I do forgive him for the Hewitt match meltdown! :)

Havok
12-22-2003, 04:51 PM
no no, if i remember correctly, and i think i do, his outurst only cost him that 2nd set. the 3rd set was lost by erros from Andy in the tie break

Deboogle!.
12-22-2003, 04:55 PM
check out the article tangy posted in the article thread. the quotes from Brad clearly suggest that it was the little meltdown that ruined his concentration throughout the whole match. Well whatever, it's still something he has to work on and it's definitely getting better, but he still has a ways to go :)

J. Corwin
12-22-2003, 08:13 PM
Even IF Andy had won that semifinal match against Henman, I doubt he would have beaten Gonzales in the finals. But that's just me.

I don't want to see anymore meltdown episodes from Andy for the rest of his career, LOL.

tangerine_dream
12-22-2003, 08:25 PM
Bunk! :haha:

I can't believe you actually renamed this thread Another Pointless Andy Thread. LOL!

J. Corwin
12-22-2003, 08:35 PM
lol...I don't see why not.

Deboogle!.
12-22-2003, 08:44 PM
Bunk! :haha:

I can't believe you actually renamed this thread Another Pointless Andy Thread. LOL!

lol you love me and you know it ;)

and yea... obviously the way the summer turned out it was really good and if he'd won that match who knows what would've happened. the loss to Henman made him extra careful to get a win at the USO when it really mattered.

J. Corwin
12-22-2003, 08:48 PM
Just like a lot of the past greats have "won matches when it really mattered" (at big events), I hope Andy can do that to Tim too.

Deboogle!.
12-22-2003, 08:54 PM
yep totally!! :D

tangerine_dream
12-22-2003, 09:34 PM
lol you love me and you know it ;)

Yup! :hug:

J. Corwin
12-22-2003, 09:35 PM
Aww. I can feel the love in here. :)

Deboogle!.
12-22-2003, 09:36 PM
woohoo it's turned into a love thread

:hug:

J. Corwin
12-22-2003, 09:54 PM
*loves both Deb and Tangy*
:D

star
12-22-2003, 10:25 PM
*loves deb, tangy, and jacky*

:hearts:

J. Corwin
12-22-2003, 10:33 PM
*loves deb, tangy, and jacky*


Of course I also love my mom. :hearts:

Deboogle!.
12-22-2003, 10:35 PM
:hug: star

haha I love my parents too... I got a crystal piggy tonight LOL!

tangerine_dream
12-23-2003, 02:36 AM
*loves deb, jackson, star, and everyone!* :hug:

Hey star! Check out the Lleyton Hewitt article I posted in his forum and also in GM. :bounce:

Havok
12-23-2003, 02:57 AM
*wants some love as well*
love eveyone of ya!:rocker2:

tangerine_dream
12-23-2003, 03:00 AM
*givin' lots of love to Naldo* :) :hug:

star
12-23-2003, 03:03 AM
:kiss: Naldo :hearts:

Deboogle!.
12-23-2003, 03:16 AM
:hug: all andy fans!! :)

J. Corwin
12-23-2003, 10:30 AM
This has turned into such a lovefest! :D

star
12-23-2003, 01:57 PM
Andy's fans are all about LOVE!! :hearts:



Well, Love and :rocker2:

MisterQ
12-24-2003, 02:52 AM
I LOVE Y'ALL TOO! HAPPY HOLIDAYS! :bounce: :hearts: :smooch: :hug: :music: :aparty:

*big slurbert!*

Deboogle!.
12-24-2003, 02:56 AM
aw how nice Q

but... WHAT is a "slurbert"????? LOL

MisterQ
12-24-2003, 03:17 AM
aw how nice Q

but... WHAT is a "slurbert"????? LOL

LOL! I had no idea this was such an obscure word! I couldn't even find a definition online! But I know people who have used this word, and I think I saw it used on the Cosby show once.

I will try to define it myself:

slurbert: n. A goofy and affectionate kiss, usually on the neck or belly, in which the kisser blows to make a flatulent sound, resulting in hilarity for all involved.

:lol:

Deboogle!.
12-24-2003, 03:30 AM
oh!

A razz!

a butterfly kiss!

gotcha ;)

J. Corwin
12-24-2003, 03:35 AM
Perfect definition Mr.Q ;)

tangerine_dream
01-04-2004, 12:22 AM
I wasn't quite sure where to post this so I'll put it here for now (NALDO! It's up to you to create a snappy title for the eventual AO thread we'll have, dear!).

I found these on a sports betting site. It looks like, according to the bookies at least, that Federer is the favorite to win the AO this year. But I assume these odds change daily and might even change drastically when the draw is out.

One favor to ask of anyone in the know: how the heck does oddsmaking work?? :retard:

Mens Australian Open Betting Odds

Roger Federer 10/3

Andy Roddick 4/1

Andre Agassi 8/1

Lleyton Hewitt 8/1

Juan Carlos Ferrero 16/1

David Nalbandian 18/1

Guillermo Coria 18/1

Carlos Moya 28/1

Tim Henman 33/1

Mark Philippoussis 33/1

Taylor Dent 40/1

Marat Safin 40/1

Deboogle!.
01-04-2004, 01:31 AM
people bet. that's about all it is. As Rebecca rightly said in the AO finalists thread, it's purely financial and many of the people probably don't know jackshit about tennis, so it's really not particularly predictive (sort of like odds on the Oscars which are about as equally as irrelevant to the results lol).

That said, based on Andre's past results I'm really surprised he isn't given better odds by these people.

But anyway, they pretty much mean nothing - so putting them in the pointless thread was a good call ;)

tangerine_dream
01-04-2004, 01:54 AM
people bet. that's about all it is. As Rebecca rightly said in the AO finalists thread, it's purely financial and many of the people probably don't know jackshit about tennis, so it's really not particularly predictive (sort of like odds on the Oscars which are about as equally as irrelevant to the results lol).

But anyway, they pretty much mean nothing - so putting them in the pointless thread was a good call ;)

Haha! :dance:

OK, if these betting places are just to make money, why would people keep betting with them if their predictions aren't any good? I mean, if they keep saying that best bets are for Federer in whatever tournament -- but then Federer doesn't win ANY of them -- wouldn't you stop betting with them after losing so much of your money and find a more reliable bookie??

Also: what do the numbers mean exactly (eg, "Federer 10/3, Andy 4/1", etc)? :scratch: See, I told you, I'm clueless about betting and oddsmaking! :lol:

BTW, the site I got it from had a rundown of the players for AO and they seem to know their stuff. They take into consideration a player's physical and mental readiness when they make their predictions, as well as past performance, etc.. And their calls from last year were nearly spot-on, too.

J. Corwin
01-04-2004, 01:55 AM
I wasn't quite sure where to post this so I'll put it here for now (NALDO! It's up to you to create a snappy title for the eventual AO thread we'll have, dear!).

I found these on a sports betting site. It looks like, according to the bookies at least, that Federer is the favorite to win the AO this year. But I assume these odds change daily and might even change drastically when the draw is out.

One favor to ask of anyone in the know: how the heck does oddsmaking work?? :retard:

Mens Australian Open Betting Odds

Roger Federer 10/3

Andy Roddick 4/1

Andre Agassi 8/1

Lleyton Hewitt 8/1

Juan Carlos Ferrero 16/1

David Nalbandian 18/1

Guillermo Coria 18/1

Carlos Moya 28/1

Tim Henman 33/1

Mark Philippoussis 33/1

Taylor Dent 40/1

Marat Safin 40/1

I know nothing about these betting stuff. But I'd venture a guess that betting for Roger to win (and if he does), then you win on a 10 to 3 ratio. Meaning, make a profit at a rate of 3 and a third.

If you pick Andy to win (and if he does), and let's say you put in $100, you get $400 in return.

If you pick Andre to win (and if he does), and you put in $500, then you get $4000 in return.

Just a guess.

Deboogle!.
01-04-2004, 02:03 AM
yes Jace exactly. The better the odds are for a person, the less you win if that person wins. It's a ratio so you just divide the top by the bottom and that's the return.

Shame on my horse-racing loving family for teaching me this stuff ;)

star
01-04-2004, 03:08 AM
Math!
ewwwwwwww

:lol:

star
01-04-2004, 03:12 AM
Just tell me what I get if I pick Ferrero or Coria. :)

Deboogle!.
01-04-2004, 03:35 AM
if you pick Ferrero you get $16 for every dollar you bet, Coria you get $18 :)

MisterQ
01-04-2004, 06:39 AM
Mens Australian Open Betting Odds

Roger Federer 10/3

Andy Roddick 4/1

Andre Agassi 8/1

Lleyton Hewitt 8/1

Juan Carlos Ferrero 16/1

David Nalbandian 18/1

Guillermo Coria 18/1

Carlos Moya 28/1

Tim Henman 33/1

Mark Philippoussis 33/1

Taylor Dent 40/1

Marat Safin 40/1

I never pay attention to betting odds either, so forgive me if I make erroneous conclusions here....

If your man makes the final, do you get any $$, or does only a win pay?

Regarding the odds:

First thing I notice is that Roger and Andy are close up there at the top -- far ahead of Andre and Lleyton as the favorites. Then I am amazed that Lleyton is tied with Andre, considering Hewitt's current ranking and GS results of the past year.

Interesting also that someone with Safin's ability has such low odds. He could make some people some serious money if he were to win it.

MisterQ
01-04-2004, 06:41 AM
Another random thought: What were Ivanisevic's odds at Wimbledon 2001?!!!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

J. Corwin
01-04-2004, 08:00 AM
That's why the risk-taking is the way to go. ;)

Or you could always play it safe...like I do. :)

I'm a man of paradoxes.

star
01-04-2004, 02:38 PM
Do you bet, Jackson?

I guess I wouldn't mind betting $5-20, but other than that, I'm not too much for betting. :)

Deboogle!.
01-04-2004, 03:54 PM
lol I'm sure whoever bet on Goran at Wimby made A LOT OF MONEY.

J. Corwin
01-04-2004, 08:22 PM
Do you bet, Jackson?

I guess I wouldn't mind betting $5-20, but other than that, I'm not too much for betting. :)

No I don't. I'm not much up for gambling. :)

Prophetic
01-04-2004, 09:33 PM
That's why the risk-taking is the way to go. ;)

Or you could always play it safe...like I do. :)

I'm a man of paradoxes.


AMEN!!!

lmfao...That is prolly the most accurate description of yourself I've ever seen you express.

J. Corwin
01-04-2004, 11:13 PM
lol really? I was halfway joking.

Wow.

Deboogle!.
01-05-2004, 04:37 AM
figured this as good a place as any to bitch..

tennis-x has started their daily dish again for the 2004 season:

"Few tennis tournaments have a billion dollar oil company as its sponsor, which is why you see world No. 1 Andy "Thanks for the Bank" Roddick in the Middle East this week accepting a monstrous appearance fee at the Qatar Exxon Mobil Open in Doha. Problem is, the American could end up looking bad taking the money and running, with a tough first round match-up against Russian Nikolay Davydenko, who last year won two titles. Roddick is joined in the strong money-laden field by fellow Top 10-ranked residents Rainer Schuettler, Mark Philippoussis and Sebastien Grosjean, in addition to seeds Nicolas Massu, Younes El Aynaoui, Tim Henman, and Agustin Calleri."

first of all tennis-x makes it clear they don't like Andy so that's fine... but why accuse him of being money-hungry but not the others. What about Flip who went specifically from Australia TO Doha and will go back again... grr double standards piss me off. Anyway.... they make it sound like he's gonna lose. Sure, Davydenko could be tough but Andy's beaten him on straights twice, once even on *gasp* red European clay lmfao.... I mean sure he could lose but whatever.

ok I'm done bitching. Back to your regularly scheduled pointless Andy programming :)

Prophetic
01-05-2004, 04:38 AM
lol really? I was halfway joking.

Wow.


Yep...paradoxes for sure, lmfao

I love every single one of them. I could happily spend years upon years trying to figure you out.

J. Corwin
01-05-2004, 08:57 AM
I agree Deb. The dislike is so for Andy is so direct that it almost seems unprofessional. lol

J. Corwin
01-05-2004, 08:58 AM
Yep...paradoxes for sure, lmfao

I love every single one of them. I could happily spend years upon years trying to figure you out.

Well I'm gonna as you about them. :)