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Why do people dislike Andy Roddick?

rassklovn
12-19-2003, 08:09 AM
I am interested in the reasons that people don't like Roddick?

Tingu
12-19-2003, 08:36 AM
I like Andy, do u?

rassklovn
12-19-2003, 08:56 AM
No, far from it. The main reason I chose all of the above was it's a combination of all the choices that I listed in the poll.

The only reason I am jealous, as I am of all the top players, they are in the position where they can get plenty of cash doing something that they love, which only a very small minority can do.

A combination of the first 7 choices on that poll cover pretty much everything that I don't like about Roddick.

Jazzy
12-19-2003, 10:59 AM
he's ok, but i really hate the fans :(
sowwy 2 offend any fans :sad:

jtipson
12-19-2003, 11:09 AM
Isn't this all a bit negative? I'd much rather have a discussion on why people like Andy (or any other player, for that matter).

For the record, I'm not a big fan of his game (usually find myself rooting for the opposition, just like I did when Pete played), but find it hard to dislike Andy himself.

joske
12-19-2003, 01:01 PM
All of the above :rolleyes: Except for the Jealousy thing and maybe the overall game.. he is a good player, why wouldn't I like that? *okay, I'm not that fond of aces all the time either :) *

Experimentee
12-19-2003, 01:22 PM
The main reason is his overall game, I just get bored most of the time I watch his matches. I also dont like his on court behaviour sometimes.

HybridTheory
12-19-2003, 01:30 PM
i dont dislike him, but sometimes he can be a bit annoying

*Ljubica*
12-19-2003, 01:31 PM
I would agree with Experimentee - I get really bored in most of his matches because that big booming serve is just not the tennis style that I like to watch. I also don't like his personality, which is a little too brash for my own personal taste. I wouldn't say I am jealous of him though - good luck to him for earning good money playing the sport he loves - I just wouldn't choose to watch him play if I had a choice of matches/courts at a tournament.

Billabong
12-19-2003, 02:32 PM
I would say the first three choices...

TennisLurker
12-19-2003, 03:07 PM
I dont think he is talented and I dont find him interesting.
He bores me.
His style of tennis is not the one I like to watch.

Deboogle!.
12-19-2003, 03:54 PM
Isn't this all a bit negative? I'd much rather have a discussion on why people like Andy (or any other player, for that matter).

Hatred and negativity seem to be an epidemic on this board, if you haven't noticed already.

:rolleyes:

If you want to know why Andy fans like him, we talk about it all the time on the Andy board, but here are a few of my highlights

~He can't say no to a good cause (which includes double-booking himself in two different states for two different charities)
~He never says anything bad about anyone else (unlike many other players on the tour)
~He has my sense of humor so I find him hilariously funny
~He's willing to use the position that other people have put him in to try to raise the profile of tennis in the US
~He has a fire and a desire to keep improving (as a corollary, he knows what he needs to improve and is willing to work hard)
~He knows that his on-court behavior ends when he leaves the court (as his shown by his extremely mature handlings of both firing Tarik and what Ljubicic said)
~I find watching him play exciting - no his game is not the most fluid and he has plenty of weaknesses, but he draws me in with his heart and emotion

I could go on but I won't, since I imagine you really don't care. I still maintain that it's hard to watch that AO QF against El-Aynaoui and not like him (or Younes for that matter - made me a fan of him for sure!)... that match was not played by a person who only has a one or two-weapon game.

But whatever, you all have fun with your negativity. Aren't people supposed to be joyous and happy this time of year?

MisterQ
12-19-2003, 04:04 PM
bunk, those are good reasons to like Andy.

Like many people, I don't think Andy has the most beautiful game, but his spirit on the court draws you in. Also, when you get someone who can handle his serve well (Nalbandian, Federer, El Aynaoui, Agassi), there is a chance to see other facets of Roddick's game. He has a bludgeoning forehand, but he also increasingly tries to mix his game up with backhand slices and volleys.

I like almost all the top players because they each bring their own personality and particular talents to the table.

MisterQ
12-19-2003, 04:07 PM
he's ok, but i really hate the fans :(
sowwy 2 offend any fans :sad:

Getting offended would be a pretty natural reaction to this comment, don't you think?

It's fine with me personally, though, no big deal.

Deboogle!.
12-19-2003, 04:15 PM
Getting offended would be a pretty natural reaction to this comment, don't you think?

It's fine with me personally, though, no big deal.

yea, I'd say so.... not the best way to make a friend but in a thread about dislike, what's the difference really?

But even if you do dislike Andy fans for whatever reason, why does that reflect upon him? Same with the USTA choice, I mean that's not his fault, he can't do anything about it, he may hate it too. And also same with the hype, we KNOW for a fact that he hates that. But again, whatever. If people want to dislike someone because of stuff out of that person's control, who am I to stop them.

As for faking injuries.... first of all, many many many players have taken very *opportune* time-outs. I have the press conference from after the Lapentti match and he maintains that he was cramping. Why would he lie? Come on now, if you diss Andy for that then you have to diss Ferrero, Henin-Hardenne, and maaaaaaaaaaany maaaaaaaaany more,

Prophetic
12-19-2003, 04:38 PM
he's ok, but i really hate the fans :(
sowwy 2 offend any fans :sad:


wow...that's prejudice if I've ever seen it. If you don't want to offend people then don't say it in the first place. How nice it is to know that someone out there "really hates" me when they don't even know my name. Don't be "sowwy." Be intelligent.

Havok
12-19-2003, 05:55 PM
you know what makes me:shrug: most Andy haters, it seems, spend more time hating on him, creating threads about him, bashing him, creating little jingles making fun of him, instead of cheering on your favorites in the GM, or praising some people for their weapons, incredible shots, matches they've played, what they've accomplished. i mean obviously we can't like everyone, and we don't like a lot of people, but the extent to which you people hate on Andy is insane. i hate loads of people on the ATP tour, wait let me rephrase that. i don't particularly like many people on the ATP tour, but you don't see me crying about it, devoting my time to them, getting all worked up about these people. if you don't really like people, then turn a blind eye and don't pay attention to them. and if an Andy hater needs to create a poll to see why people hate Andy, then something's wrong upstairs:haha:

Deboogle!.
12-19-2003, 06:35 PM
lol Naldo :hug:

Your points are all excellent

faboozadoo15
12-19-2003, 06:38 PM
:lol: now don't take any offense to this... but i HATE ALL OF YOU!!!!

j/k of course
no children were hurt during this rant.

tangerine_dream
12-19-2003, 07:04 PM
You all suck. Nothing personal.


;)

Aurora
12-19-2003, 10:44 PM
I've noticed that I'm pretty ok with watching his matches - from being impressed by his game to amused by his boyish behaviour (although I don't like it when he's overdoing it and playing to much for the crowd). But when I get on this board, a bit of an Andy-dislike (even hate if I spend too much time in certain threads) sparks in my heart.
Also, something that has been overlooked, he's a big player now: I don't like him as much as before because he's winning the big ones - in 2 ways: not the puppy/underdog anymore and threatening the big players I like.

Lady
12-19-2003, 11:12 PM
I actually like Andy, but I chose the help from USTA as the reason I could dislike him, but I'm not ;)

Lady
12-19-2003, 11:21 PM
I've noticed that I'm pretty ok with watching his matches - from being impressed by his game to amused by his boyish behaviour (although I don't like it when he's overdoing it and playing to much for the crowd). But when I get on this board, a bit of an Andy-dislike (even hate if I spend too much time in certain threads) sparks in my heart.
Also, something that has been overlooked, he's a big player now: I don't like him as much as before because he's winning the big ones - in 2 ways: not the puppy/underdog anymore and threatening the big players I like.

I kinda feel the same way... I like Andy & like watching him playing, but I can't cheer for him now the way I cheered for him in that AusOpen QF... I remember I was really really nervous that Andy might lose, and the I was sad that one of the 2 will lose.
But I was hoping Andy will win the AusOpen, but it didnt happen

Deboogle!.
12-19-2003, 11:26 PM
Also, something that has been overlooked, he's a big player now: I don't like him as much as before because he's winning the big ones - in 2 ways: not the puppy/underdog anymore and threatening the big players I like.

This is something I've never understood... I understand cheering for the underdog, that's always fun. but there's a huge difference between that and cheering AGAINST the favorite. Maybe it's my optimism again, but I just don't see anything productive in feeling negatively about an athlete whom I've never even met. I always loved Michael Jordan and people always said to me "but why, he always wins?" and I got the same things from being a fan of Pete. If I like someone, I like them whether they win or lose and if I dislike them I really just ignore them. sorry swirlingblacklilly I don't mean to pick on you.. it's just something I don't understand lol

As for him being a thread to other people's faves. I mean, I could sit here and say I hate Andre and Federer and Hewitt and Henman because they almost always beat Andy, but I don't (in fact, Andre and Hewitt are definitely two of my other faves and I love Tim too). I mean it's just a whole lot easier to support my faves than hope for their opponents to lose. I know that if my faves play their best, then that's all that's important, regardless of who's on the other side of the court. Wouldn't you guys be a lot happier if you spent more time cheering for your fave than discussing why you don't like someone else? I mean there are a few players I could really do without but I don't go starting threads here to talk about it, who cares? Why use brain cells on it? It's so counter-productive and it's opposite of everything that a gracious sport like tennis stands for anyhow.

Sorry, I should've stayed out of this thread. The negativity is so far out of my realm of comprehension that I'll never see eye to eye with any of you on the topic of discussing dislike for someone.

Devotee
12-20-2003, 12:11 AM
I am interested in the reasons that people don't like Roddick?


Rassklovn, you should have constructed the poll to allow for
multiple choices.

JeLuliA88
12-20-2003, 03:31 AM
It's pretty much a love/hate thing with me, sometimes i like him, and sometimes i don't... can't really explain it. But i do dislike 'roddick groupies', they can be abit annoying at times.

Action Jackson
12-20-2003, 03:39 AM
Originally Posted by Naldo

but the extent to which you people hate on Andy is insane.

Great overreaction Naldo, it made me laugh. I will create another jingle for you very soon since you like them so much.

How do you know people that don't like Roddick aren't cheering on their particular favourites? You don't know that for sure.

Roddick does polarise many fans and it was interesting to read people's thoughts on why. If you don't like them, then that's bad luck.

Originally Posted by bunk18bsb
Why use brain cells on it?

I have never used brain cells in here and I am not going to start it now.

WyverN
12-20-2003, 07:20 AM
I have never used brain cells in here and I am not going to start it now.

Using brain cells is not a option for many in here.

Action Jackson
12-20-2003, 07:29 AM
Originally Posted by WyverN
Using brain cells is not a option for many in here.

This is horrible the Christmas spirit must have got me at a weak moment, we are in agreement here:hatoff: . Don't worry it won't take long for that to change.

Aurora
12-20-2003, 10:17 AM
Well, I don't use the term "hating" in the actual sense cause I'm not capable in doing that over something that in the end doesn't affect me or the much of the actual life of anyone at all and has no importance except to the people involved (well, perhaps the exorbitant amounts of money involved could affect more people). "hating Andy Roddick" or any player of sports is just hyperboling a slight miscontentement (does that word exist?) that another one I really like didn't win. hey, I cried too when Andy won USOpen. but that's the fun thing about watching sport, you create all sorts of feelings about something trivial! My friends and I elaborated this theory with an experiment and for about a year we had this competition with races and other games between hamsters. with rankings and h2h's and all, it was great fun and we went just as mad as with other sports.

And Bunk, I don't really "cheer against the favorite": not like I want Andy to lose in an early round against an unknown or not worthy opponent (only when Juanqui could get nr 1 haha, no just kidding: it is indeed way better when your fave wins something on his own merits and not cause someone else loses)
Don't let them get to you, it's all just a bit of fun! - something we forget sometimes when we're on these boards...

Deboogle!.
12-20-2003, 03:34 PM
And Bunk, I don't really "cheer against the favorite": not like I want Andy to lose in an early round against an unknown or not worthy opponent (only when Juanqui could get nr 1 haha, no just kidding: it is indeed way better when your fave wins something on his own merits and not cause someone else loses)
Don't let them get to you, it's all just a bit of fun! - something we forget sometimes when we're on these boards...

I totally agree with you - that's why I never wish for anyone to lose and I only wish for Andy to win. (Though I was happy he ended at #1 of course, I really wanted him to do it by winning a match, not by Juan Carlos losing.) And I wasn't suggesting that everyone here at MTF or even in this thread did that, but it does seem to be quite rampant here as far as Andy goes - unfortunately not everyone here is as reasonable as you are lol (take a look at the duck season thread - while amusing, its sole purpose was to cheer on Andy's opponents, no matter how "unknown" or "not worthy" the opponent was)

what's funny is that it's not the fact that people dislike Andy that bothers me in the least. I really could care less, I'm used to having less popular opinions and having to stand up for them lol it doesn't bother me. It's more the way it's done at MTF by starting threads about disliking him and often being as mean as possible that has a feeling of complete disregard for the opinions of those of us who might like him.

croat123
12-20-2003, 04:49 PM
All of the above (minus jealousy)

Aurora
12-20-2003, 08:19 PM
what's funny is that it's not the fact that people dislike Andy that bothers me in the least. I really could care less, I'm used to having less popular opinions and having to stand up for them lol it doesn't bother me. It's more the way it's done at MTF by starting threads about disliking him and often being as mean as possible that has a feeling of complete disregard for the opinions of those of us who might like him.

mmm, it's probably cause it's done by so many and it can get quite contagious... (still don't like reading your sig though ;) )
But it ís certainly nicer to talk about it in a decent way and not start accusing other people's faves of all sorts of things - I've been hanging 'round at wtaworld again :o

Ma. Estefania
12-20-2003, 10:07 PM
I don't dislike him all the time, just for certain periods.

Anyway my main reasons for that are: Overhyped by the media, and too much help from the USTA at the US Open.

undomiele
12-20-2003, 10:35 PM
Truth is I save most of my "hatred" for the real evildoer: George Dubya. :) That is a man that makes me see red... But i think ive mellowed out in terms of roddick. I used to really really hate him but now that federer whipped his ass --well, whipped everybody's ass-- at TMC Ive since realized, due to some of his statements, that Roddick deep down really does know that Federer is a much better, more complete player than he is and always will be. And I think that really bothers him. That has somehow made me feel better regarding Roddick. I don't hate him as much as much as I used to... although if the USTA keeps rigging games for him im sure Ill hate him as intensely as I used to again. Lol


Im more excited about how the injured guys who are coming back in will do. I hear Rios thrashed El Aynaoui at a Thailand Exhibition game.... isn't that interesting ??? What a year 2004 will (hopefully) be!!!

Shadow
12-20-2003, 11:49 PM
everything above expect jealousy

J. Corwin
12-20-2003, 11:56 PM
I voted for all of the above. I know people, collectively, dislike Andy for all those reasons

Deboogle!.
12-21-2003, 12:25 AM
El-Aynaoui hurt his heel and has pulled out of the rest of the Paradorn tour or whatever it is.... so it may not be as cut and dried as that lol

As for Dubya, he makes plenty of Americans see red :) As for Andy's view of Federer, sure he knows that Federer is a naturally more talented player - I'd hope most of the rest of the guys on tour realize that, because it's true lol. That's not to say Fed is unbeatable though, at least not yet anyway.

as for the USTA... even if you buy into the US Open stuff, that's one tournament. And even then, it was the scheduling, not his draw (his draw was pretty tough). So that doesn't explain the other places he did well in 2003 (Montreal, Queens, Wimby, AO, etc. and the USTA had nothing to do with TMC either)

why am I bothering :bolt:

Pea
12-23-2003, 09:23 PM
Everything above jealousy.:haha:

Dirk
12-23-2003, 09:28 PM
Andy deserved his Open win. Its just an shame JC didn't get another day's rest. I do think that David might have gotten him if he wasn't drained as well. Andy would have won the Open at some point in his career so it doesn't really matter. Andy I think will at least finish another year at number one. Who knows when but I think he will.

tangerine_dream
12-23-2003, 10:05 PM
Whether they admit it to themselves or not, I think part of it is jealousy too, because I've noticed that many Andy-haters here just can't accept the fact that he's No. 1 in the world, and he got there because he's a great player and not because:

1) the USTA cuts backroom deals for him;
2) the chair umpires all gave the other players a bad call while Andy gets a free pass (*snicker* yeah, right);
3) everything in America is biased to favor Andy (even the rain was coordinated with Mother Nature to fall on the same days Andy was scheduled played :rolleyes: )
4) Roger was sick that day;
5) JC was injured that day;
6) God personally answers the phone when Andy calls and ignores all others, etc., etc.

Just read any of these posts from the past few years: with the haters, any time Andy wins, it was clearly an accident and only because somebody else got a bad break and not because Andy outplayed, outserved, outgunned or outclassed them. They just can't give him any credit for anything. IMO, that's not reason talking. That's just jealousy. :)

Fedex
12-23-2003, 10:17 PM
All of the above! I especially hate all of the hype.

Deboogle!.
12-23-2003, 10:22 PM
tangy.... :worship:

Pea
12-23-2003, 10:46 PM
tangy:rolleyes: you forgot his serve....the only thing that got him to number one and the only thing helping stay in the top 50.

Havok
12-24-2003, 02:14 AM
shit Pea, its just too bad your faves don't have thebest serve in tennis:rolleyes: if your faves had the kind of serve that Andy posseses, would you be bitching about it? no, so get the hell over it already. saying Andy's serve keeps him in the top 50 and got him to the top of the game, well no shit Sherlock, it's his freakin weapon. you can pick anyone and say oh they got to the top because of this shot or that shot
Agassi- returns
Coria- speed
Schuettler- speed
Philippoussis- serve
Ferrero- forehand/speed
Federer- volleys/mixes things up
etc.........

Pea
12-24-2003, 03:41 AM
My favs actually got to the top without depending on such a boring aspect of the game.:eek:

Deboogle!.
12-24-2003, 03:44 AM
such a boring aspect of the game

Well that's awfully subjective. I happen to love watching players serve... it's cool to compare how each one does it and uses it to their advantage, etc.

tripthemighty
12-24-2003, 04:00 AM
I'm just curious if people felt the same way about Sampras back in 1993, when he ended the season as number 1 for the first time in his career. Because, if you look at his activity from the year he turned pro up until the mid-1990's, it's very similar to Andy's. I'm not trying to stir up anything, but it seems to me that Andy's made it to the top pretty close to the way Pete did.

Deboogle!.
12-24-2003, 04:02 AM
But Pete's a good player and Andy's not. Plus he only won stuff because the USTA fixed it all for him, so you really can't compare

:p

heya
12-24-2003, 04:43 AM
I guess the tennis academy realized he was good enough to enroll because of HIS serve-when he was 14.

Wait...he couldn't serve well at that age!

How come, out of nowhere, he won so many
matches this year?!

Too freaking boring for you to watch him
entertain millions of people who like him! At least he won 1 title in his home country. :p

star
12-24-2003, 05:14 AM
I'm just curious if people felt the same way about Sampras back in 1993, when he ended the season as number 1 for the first time in his career. Because, if you look at his activity from the year he turned pro up until the mid-1990's, it's very similar to Andy's. I'm not trying to stir up anything, but it seems to me that Andy's made it to the top pretty close to the way Pete did.

There weren't tennis boards back then. ;)

But, I do remember that tennis commentators were drooling over him as the best thing since Rod Laver right after he won his first USO. He was seen as the next great tennis player at least from that time on and I'm sure that he was noticed by the insiders long before that. Sampras got a lot of ballyhoo at the beginning of his career. It wasn't as much as Agassi because nothing and I mean NOTHING could top that. For as much as people think Andy is hyped, it is extraordinarily minor compared to Agassi.

Action Jackson
12-24-2003, 05:31 AM
It's still too much hype star irrespective of the hype that Scumbagassi, or Image is everything with a shocking mullet Agassi recieved.

Well the way Sampras won and destroyed very good opposition to win the 90 USO of course was going to get him noticed. Apart from the 1st round, all the rest of the players were not muppets.

R128 Dan*Goldie*(USA) W 6-1 7-5 6-1
R64 Peter*Lundgren*(SWE) W 6-4 6-3 6-3
R32 Jakob*Hlasek*(SUI) W 6-3 6-4 6-1
R16 Thomas*Muster*(AUT) W 6-7 7-6 6-4 6-3
QF Ivan*Lendl*(USA) W 6-4 7-6 3-6 4-6 6-2
SF John*McEnroe*(USA) W 6-2 6-4 3-6 6-3
F Andre*Agassi*(USA) W 6-4 6-3 6-2

Obviously his style of game was going to win over the commentators and have them drooling, that much is obvious. Then again he was a tennis player, and not someone who interested in the media side of things.

Trips, if there were any doubts I think Pete might have banished all of them.

Havok
12-24-2003, 05:46 PM
imo, the reason Roddick got even more hype than he deserved, and yes he deserved at least half of the hype he was getting, was because look at what was gonna happen to american tennis! Courier, McEnroe, Connors were all gone, Sapmras, Chang, Agassi were getting old and were gonna retire soon. and if tennis doesn't flourish in the US, it wouldn't be as big as it is now, or as popular, as many fans, etc. so they saw Andy and threw stuff on him, why? because he was good, and he was an American who was gonna replace the other great American tennis players who were all leaving. could you imagine if it was James who was gonna be "the next big thing in American tennis"? :haha::haha:

oh and Pea, if your faves just don't happen to have big serves and got there by other means, i can sure as hell knock them for that "one" weapon they each had and do the exact same thing you do to Roddick. if you're gonna have one awesome weapon, might as well make it be an awesome serve, since it's probably the most important shot in tennis, don't be jealous
:p

ctompkins
12-25-2003, 03:22 AM
I dislike (more like completely abhor) him for all of those reasons except jealousy. I also would add: he seems quite dumb and I find his girlfriend one of the most annoying people on the planet. His success is ruining tennis for me; however, I am confident that his arm will fall off on one of those serves some day soon and he will be out of the game for quite awhile. :devil:

Deboogle!.
12-25-2003, 04:11 AM
his success is ruining tennis for you? wow.... that's just really sad.

WyverN
12-25-2003, 05:10 AM
imo, the reason Roddick got even more hype than he deserved, and yes he deserved at least half of the hype he was getting, was because look at what was gonna happen to american tennis! Courier, McEnroe, Connors were all gone, Sapmras, Chang, Agassi were getting old and were gonna retire soon. and if tennis doesn't flourish in the US, it wouldn't be as big as it is now, or as popular, as many fans, etc. so they saw Andy and threw stuff on him, why? because he was good, and he was an American who was gonna replace the other great American tennis players who were all leaving.
:p

Spare the melodrama. Tennis would not become any less popular if there were no American stars.

Graf, Sanchez and Hingis dominated women's tennis for the best part of a decade and women's tennis has only gotten more popular in those years.

Roddick's presence is good not because he is saving American tennis but because he is a elite player and the more elite players the better the quality of tennis overall.

Deboogle!.
12-25-2003, 05:12 AM
Spare the melodrama. Tennis would not become any less popular if there were no American stars.


Uh.... in America, it would.

J. Corwin
12-25-2003, 05:34 AM
The general American public *only* care about American players. It's unfortunate.

WyverN
12-25-2003, 05:43 AM
Yes but who cares?

Lack of American interest will not effect tennis.

WyverN
12-25-2003, 05:43 AM
America wasn't interested during the Graf/Sanchez/Sabatini era yet women's tennis did not suffer

J. Corwin
12-25-2003, 05:47 AM
I see you point. But the U.S. does have a lot of the $, and we as tennis fans want to see tennis grow.

Action Jackson
12-25-2003, 02:50 PM
Yes, it would be good if the US media actually embraces non-Americans, but that would be almost impossible for them to overcome their insularity to do so.

Sure it would be good if tennis was successful in all markets, but the game will go on and prosper whether there are American stars or not. It's the media and fair weather fans that will try and denigrate the game, if there aren't top American players.

Money isn't everything, the US isn't the only tennis market on this planet. Too bad not many people have realised that it's truly a global sport and not just dominated by Americans and the Australians.

*Ljubica*
12-25-2003, 04:09 PM
Yes but who cares?

Lack of American interest will not effect tennis.

I agree totally, - tennis is a worldwide sport - always has been and always will be. The game is flourishing in Europe, the Far East, South America and Australia - and the presence or not of players from the States does not affect ticket sales at Wimbledon, Roland Garros or any of the major European events.

Shy
12-25-2003, 04:12 PM
Soccer / football was not affected by the lack of interest from American. Why tennis would?

Action Jackson
12-25-2003, 04:18 PM
Totally agree Shy.

Deboogle!.
12-25-2003, 04:21 PM
You can't really compare tennis to soccer IMO. American tennis has always played a big role in the world of tennis, whereas soccer started and grew in other countries and then spread to the US, where it's now pretty popular, especially among young kids with youth soccer leagues. It's a lot harder to find a public tennis court than a soccer field, at least where I live.

The money of tennis IS important, and denying that would be ignorant. The point is that some of the most lucrative (lucrative for the ATP) tournaments are in the US. If they don't sell out, people lose money, if they don't get expensive TV contracts, people lose money... and it's the culture of this country for everything to be based on money so it IS important. No, maybe worldwide tennis wouldn't be adversely affected without American interest, but I believe it can be helped. Just because something doesn't hurt a cause doesn't mean it can't help a cause.

If the press around the world is hailing Andy as the great savior of tennis, then you all should complain to your local press or something. I mean no one made SkySports in the UK run a 2-hour special about Andy, they obviously chose to put it on because they thought people would watch - that's all any media outlet does - stuff that will make them money. Andy is a charismatic person with a good personality on and off the court, and he has the potential to bring new tennis fans in all countries to the sport. You guys don't like him so obviously you don't agree, but he does have fans all over the world and he does have the potential to cross cultures and nationailities. He also is someone who makes himself available to press requests, and as it's been commented on many times over, many of the other top players aren't as open and available. So tennis reporters will take what they can get, and if they can get an interview with Andy they'll take it over an interview with no one. If you guys weren't so colored by your dislike for the guy you might see how someone with a personality and dedication like his might be good for the sport, wherever in the world you are.

Shy
12-25-2003, 04:30 PM
Many top players are as open to the media and charismatic as Andy. Have you seen any interviews with Federer or Safin? During the tennis master in Montreal, I think that Federer was a lots more press friendly than Andy.Then again, he spoke french, so that doesn<t count. Why are people seeing europeans and Latin american as uncharismatric and boring?

Deboogle!.
12-25-2003, 04:37 PM
I never said anyone was uncharismatic or boring... but it's not Andy's fault that he somehow attracts fans all over the world. If the press sees Andy as more available or more open or more charismatic than someone else, then that's no one's fault, surely not Andy's. Or maybe Andy has a better agent (which wouldn't be a surprise since he has one of the better sports agencies around). The attention makes him very uncomfortable and he doesn't really hide it that much. But to blame ANDY for it all seems unfair.

All of the top players are great, which is what makes tennis so interesting right now. But many of you here seem to think that Andy is BAD for the sport, not good for it. And I just don't see how that's possible.

*Ljubica*
12-25-2003, 04:37 PM
Sky Sports 2-hour " tennis special" happens every year and is usually about the player who ends that year as Number 1 whether it is Hewitt, Roddick or whoever. It is also a good opportunity for Sky to show re-runs of matches they have shown throughout the year ( a cheap option for them!), so I don't think it is fair to say that it was shown here purely because they thought Roddick per se might attract viewers. In fact most of the people I know just recorded it so they could "fast forward" the Roddick interviews and just watch the clips of matches/players they particularly wanted to see again......sorry!!!

And I know this is a purely personal opinion but I don't think he is charismatic either - not in the same way as someone like an Agassi or a Marat Safin. In fact it is true to say that what some people call his good "personality" others see as simply brash and unattractive.

Deboogle!.
12-25-2003, 04:41 PM
And I know this is a purely personal opinion but I don't think he is charismatic either - not in the same way as someone like an Agassi or a Marat Safin. In fact it is true to say that what some people call his good "personality" others see as simply brash and unattractive.

Well, considering that Agassi was FAR worse than Andy at Andy's age, that's an interesting comment. And Andy's sarcastic and self-depracating sense of humor is really American, that's the only way I can describe it. I should clarify that I am not talking about his on-court demeanor (which I think he'll keep growing out of as he matures). I'm talking about his laid-back humor, joking around in press conferences, making fun of himself, pulling practical jokes, etc. that's very appealing to a lot of people.

Action Jackson
12-25-2003, 04:47 PM
Well the football thing well it's only in the US where they seem to be targetting white middle class families, instead of utilising a huge untapped market of Hispanic/ Black players. Anywhere else it's the game of the people, which something tennis could never be accused of, but to its credit it's trying to make it more accessible.

Originally Posted by bunk18bsb
The money of tennis IS important, and denying that would be ignorant. The point is that some of the most lucrative (lucrative for the ATP) tournaments are in the US. If they don't sell out, people lose money, if they don't get expensive TV contracts, people lose money... and it's the culture of this country for everything to be based on money so it IS important.

Of course the money is important, but not the most important thing. The game of tennis has to be successful globally and not just in the US . There seems to be a prevailing patronising attitude to the non-English speaking tennis world when it comes to the way that these players are represented in the media, which is very irritating.

I don't like Andy at all and we will never agree that he is charismatic. In spite of this he does have a certain appeal to a younger audience, also the media will go to him first as he is a native English speaker and high profile.

Then again the tennis media aren't the brightest, so it's up to the journalist to get the players to talk more openly, ask intelligent questions and do their research.

*Ljubica*
12-25-2003, 04:57 PM
Well, considering that Agassi was FAR worse than Andy at Andy's age, that's an interesting comment. And Andy's sarcastic and self-depracating sense of humor is really American, that's the only way I can describe it. I should clarify that I am not talking about his on-court demeanor (which I think he'll keep growing out of as he matures). I'm talking about his laid-back humor, joking around in press conferences, making fun of himself, pulling practical jokes, etc. that's very appealing to a lot of people.

Well personally I am not an Agassi fan at all (I don't particularly like him either as it happens!), but I do think he has a "certain something" about him which is difficult to quantify but which I suppose can only be described as a certain "charisma".

And as to Andy attracting fans all over the world - well I travel to many, many tennis tournaments each year, and certainly here in Europe he doesn't have that strong a fan base. Obviously when you go to tournaments you start talking to people outside of your own group of friends (in a bar, a queue or whatever), and most people usually seem to be wanting to see Hewitt, Guga, or Marat Safin, plus there is also a surprisingly large European fan-base for the Argentine players such as Coria and Nalbandian, of which I freely admit I am a fully-paid-up member!!! Agassi too attracts a huge amount of fans (especially at Wimbledon), but whereas I have seen many people queuing overnight there purely to get front-row seats to watch him, I have never met anyone doing it for Andy. So I think perhaps the Roddick "hype" and popularity is nowhere near as worldwide as people in the States may think.

Shy
12-25-2003, 05:03 PM
.

. In spite of this he does have a certain appeal to a younger audience, also the media will go to him first as he is a native English speaker and high profile.

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You know all my sisters friends are all in love with Andy. They started to watch every singles matches he play. They might not know any other players or understand the game, but they all have decided that he is the best tennis player.

Action Jackson
12-25-2003, 05:17 PM
Rosie when I go to the AO, I will try and find out how many Roddick lovers there are over 20 in the audience.

*Ljubica*
12-25-2003, 05:23 PM
Rosie when I go to the AO, I will try and find out how many Roddick lovers there are over 20 in the audience.

Don't think you'll find that many!! I envy you going to the Aussie Open though - somewhere I have never been - hopefully one day, but it comes at an inconvenient time for me to take time off from work:-(( Hope you have fun though, - who do you think will win?

Deboogle!.
12-25-2003, 05:26 PM
I hope you're not assuming every Andy fan is under 20. All but one or two of us here are over 20, and in some cases well over 20 and happily married. Some are even, gasp, male. Plus it's not like Andy is the only player we like.

Action Jackson
12-25-2003, 05:39 PM
Took the bait bunkie didn't you. Well of course there are exceptions, but it seems that his fan base is of the younger audience, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Rosie, the answer is no clue.

Havok
12-25-2003, 05:57 PM
:yawn: Andy doesn't have large fan bases outside America :yawn:
watch any Andy match and fans are cheering him on, i've never heard people boo him. also during the BNP Paribas, he was cheered on despite bombing out of RG for the past 2 years. go to Ao and you're definitely find a pretty large Roddick fanbase, as well as a Younes fan base because of that memorable match they played. go to England and he was cheered on by many, and he is well liked. read some articles about when he played at St.Poelten is Austria and there was indeed a large Roddick fan base :yawn: everyone has fans all over the world, so to say a certain player doesnt, it could be any player, is obsurd

Action Jackson
12-25-2003, 06:12 PM
Why would Roddick get booed Naldo? Could you please overreact again Naldo?

If he did something that deserved to get booed, he would get booed. He can't be booed just for existing, boo hoo.

Ok, well guys like Ferrero or Nalbandian don't have large amounts of fans in the US, whereas a guy like Roddick is exposed more and is more than likely to have a wider fan base outside North America than the above would have in North Am.

The thing is the US media, don't make it easy for Americans to follow non-American players, whereas that is less of a problem in the other countries, who are familiar with a wider variety of players.

Havok
12-25-2003, 06:20 PM
:yanw: didn't someone bring up that Andy doesn't have fan bases in other areas besides North America? and someone said good luck finding an Andy fan 20+ yrs at the AO? :yawn: that's what i was talking about. nowhere did i bring up the Norht American media, Federer, or Nalbandian. go ahead and put words in my mouth why don't you:wavey:

Deboogle!.
12-25-2003, 06:48 PM
Naldo hun it ain't worth it. :hug:

*Ljubica*
12-25-2003, 09:42 PM
:yawn: Andy doesn't have large fan bases outside America :yawn:
watch any Andy match and fans are cheering him on, i've never heard people boo him. also during the BNP Paribas, he was cheered on despite bombing out of RG for the past 2 years. go to Ao and you're definitely find a pretty large Roddick fanbase, as well as a Younes fan base because of that memorable match they played. go to England and he was cheered on by many, and he is well liked. read some articles about when he played at St.Poelten is Austria and there was indeed a large Roddick fan base :yawn: everyone has fans all over the world, so to say a certain player doesnt, it could be any player, is obsurd

Naldo - have you ever actually been to Roland Garros, Paris Bercy, St. Poelten or any tournament in England? I have been to all these tournaments you mention except for the Aussie Open and I stand by what I said about Andy not having a LARGE fan base. I never said no fans at all - that would be ridiculous - every player has a few fans everywhere that's just human nature - but certainly he doesn't have such a large amount of fans here as say Agassi or Guga. And of course his main fan base is in North Amercia - same as Tim Henman's main body of "henmaniacs" are in England (and I'm not actually one of them by the way!) As for booing, just because you don't support a particular player doesn't mean you boo them - does it? :confused:

star
12-25-2003, 09:45 PM
Rosie, were you at St. Poelten last year?

Gee, you make me jealous. I wish I could afford enough time off to go to as many tournaments as you do. :)

Deboogle!.
12-25-2003, 09:47 PM
there's not tons of booing in tennis in general is there? I mean... it just seems mean lol. I mean except for some random various moments when players usually deserve it anyway, I don't remember hearing a whole lot of booing anywhere.

*Ljubica*
12-25-2003, 10:06 PM
Rosie, were you at St. Poelten last year?

Gee, you make me jealous. I wish I could afford enough time off to go to as many tournaments as you do. :)

Yes Star but only for a couple of days. Often I only go to a tournament for a week-end - just take a Friday off work and go on Thursday night so I can have 3 days tennis and don't use up too much annual leave. Most places in Europe are easily accessible from here in a couple of hours' flight from London. I usually only go for the whole week at Monte Carlo, the first week of Roland Garros and Paris Bercy.

star
12-25-2003, 10:10 PM
Nice. The closest tournament to me is a 12 hour nonstop drive. :)

That's one disadvantage to living out in the wide open spaces, but the advantage is being able to venture out into the wilderness and be completely alone. So, I guess I wouldn't trade it.

I'm going to two tournaments next year, but don't like to go just for the last weekend of tournaments. I like to see them from beginning to end because I like so many of the "lesser" players.

star
12-25-2003, 10:11 PM
there's not tons of booing in tennis in general is there? I mean... it just seems mean lol. I mean except for some random various moments when players usually deserve it anyway, I don't remember hearing a whole lot of booing anywhere.

Only if you go to RG or IW. ;)

J. Corwin
12-25-2003, 10:11 PM
The only "recent" booing I remember is during the Serena v. Justine SF at RG.

star
12-25-2003, 10:14 PM
:lol:

I'll show you my belly if you show me yours! ;)

*Ljubica*
12-25-2003, 10:15 PM
Nice. The closest tournament to me is a 12 hour nonstop drive. :)

That's one disadvantage to living out in the wide open spaces, but the advantage is being able to venture out into the wilderness and be completely alone. So, I guess I wouldn't trade it.

I'm going to two tournaments next year, but don't like to go just for the last weekend of tournaments. I like to see them from beginning to end because I like so many of the "lesser" players.

I know what you mean Star - I obviously prefer to go for the whole week (I quite enjoy the first qualifying week-ends too), but I just can't afford the time off to do that all the time, so at least the last week-end gives me the quarters, semis and finals, and David and Guille usually get to this stage.

Shy
12-25-2003, 10:18 PM
I think that I'm going to try to be a volunteer for this year Rogers At&T and the master next year. Then, I wouldn't have to pay for the week.

star
12-25-2003, 10:20 PM
Fortunately, I think I will be able to avoid seeing Dahveed this year. :)

But I'm hoping to see as many Coria:hearts: matches as I can. It's very hard when most of my favorites aren't shown on TV. I'm so happy now that I've found a U.S. player I can support, because it's been a long long time for me without my favorites getting to be on TV unless they get to the final rounds.

I am afraid Coria isn't going to be at Houston this year, so I won't get to see him. Do you know his schedule yet? You seem to be the first to know these things.

*Ljubica*
12-25-2003, 10:29 PM
Fortunately, I think I will be able to avoid seeing Dahveed this year. :)

But I'm hoping to see as many Coria:hearts: matches as I can. It's very hard when most of my favorites aren't shown on TV. I'm so happy now that I've found a U.S. player I can support, because it's been a long long time for me without my favorites getting to be on TV unless they get to the final rounds.

I am afraid Coria isn't going to be at Houston this year, so I won't get to see him. Do you know his schedule yet? You seem to be the first to know these things.

I don't know Guille's full schedule yet, apart from the fact that he is starting in Doha and Auckland and will obviously play the Grand Slams and nine Masters' Series events. I don't know exactly when some of the American tournaments you have been talking about are taking place, but I know that both Guille and my lovely Daveed :inlove: (sorry - couldn't resist that!) have already been chosen for the Argentine Davis Cup team and that is their priority for next year, so they won't play in anything that clashes with Davis Cup dates. They are both also desparate to play in the Olympics - hope that helps!! I'll let you know more as and when I know anything.

star
12-25-2003, 10:35 PM
IW is in March and is a Masters Series tournament, but some people skip it. Looks like Lleyton is not planning to defend his title next year. I think Coria will play there.

Houston is the second week in April. I don't think there are any tournaments being held that conflict with the first two rounds of DC.

star
12-25-2003, 10:36 PM
and p.s.

hehehe at the even BIGGER hearts for Dahveed

*Ljubica*
12-25-2003, 10:52 PM
IW is in March and is a Masters Series tournament, but some people skip it. Looks like Lleyton is not planning to defend his title next year. I think Coria will play there.

Houston is the second week in April. I don't think there are any tournaments being held that conflict with the first two rounds of DC.

I would think it's a pretty safe bet that Guille will play in Indian Wells but I personally doubt that he'll go to Houston. The DC second round is something like 8th April (they will either be in Russia or Belarus), and Monte Carlo starts on 17th April, so I can't him crossing time zones to play in Houston when he has points to defend as last year's finalist in Monte Carlo. I hope you get to see him at IW though - quite a few of my friends from England are going over to that - they go every year.

Glad you liked my big hearts for Daveed by the way :) Poor darling, there is still a very strong chance he will be having surgery at the beginning of January and that will put him out for maybe 5-6 months :( , so I'm feeling very loving and protective of him at the moment - hence the even bigger hearts :inlove:

TennisLurker
12-25-2003, 10:53 PM
I will go to the buenos aires tournament his year, If it isnt very expensive.

TennisLurker
12-25-2003, 11:04 PM
Coria will not go to Houston, probably he will play (if he decides to play that week, I think it is very close to the davis cup matches) in Estoril or Valencia.
David won Estoril two years ago, it was his first title (he defeated Moya and Ferrero).
Almost all the european and south american clay courters go there.


The calendar of events for next year

http://www.atptennis.com/en/tournaments/fullcalendar/

undomiele
12-25-2003, 11:09 PM
whens the tournament tennislurker?

Deboogle!.
12-25-2003, 11:12 PM
Houston's a wacky tournament b/c isn't MonteCarlo right immediately after it? when there are other tournaments that are also on clay the same week and a lot closer to Monte Carlo it's only normal that not many would want to go to the one that's farther away lol.... the only people on the Houston site that it says are returning are Andy, James and Mardy. and I'd imagine Agassi would go since he won the title and is so buddybuddy with Mac. These are the people listed on the Player Profiles link on the site but it doesn't specify whether those were 2003 players or those expected for 2004

Andre Agassi
James Blake
Kenneth Carlsen
Taylor Dent
Thomas Enqvist
Mardy Fish
Jan-Michael Gambill
Justin Gimelstob
Robby Ginepri
Luis Horna
Nicolas Kiefer
Hyung-Taik Lee
Todd Martin
Jurgen Melzer
Olivier Mutis
Kristian Piess
Andy Roddick
Andre Sa
Pete Sampras
Flavio Saretta
Attila Savolt
Vincent Spadea
Brian Vahaly

I suppose someone could check the 2003 draw if they really wanted to lol

star
12-25-2003, 11:14 PM
Coria did go to Houston last year so it's not like it has never been on his schedule. But I do think that he will stay in Europe for the clay season there.

Unless someone can get word to him that I already have my ticket? Then, I'm sure he will return to the U.S. ;)

TennisLurker
12-25-2003, 11:14 PM
It starts two weeks after the Australian open, the date is 16/2/04.

Deboogle!.
12-25-2003, 11:15 PM
Unless someone can get word to him that I already have my ticket? Then, I'm sure he will return to the U.S. ;)

Oh I will get RIGHT on that ;)

star
12-25-2003, 11:16 PM
Houston's a wacky tournament b/c isn't MonteCarlo right immediately after it? when there are other tournaments that are also on clay the same week and a lot closer to Monte Carlo it's only normal that not many would want to go to the one that's farther away lol.... the only people on the Houston site that it says are returning are Andy, James and Mardy. and I'd imagine Agassi would go since he won the title and is so buddybuddy with Mac. These are the people listed on the Player Profiles link on the site but it doesn't specify whether those were 2003 players or those expected for 2004

Andre Agassi
James Blake
Kenneth Carlsen
Taylor Dent
Thomas Enqvist
Mardy Fish
Jan-Michael Gambill
Justin Gimelstob
Robby Ginepri
Luis Horna
Nicolas Kiefer
Hyung-Taik Lee
Todd Martin
Jurgen Melzer
Olivier Mutis
Kristian Piess
Andy Roddick
Andre Sa
Pete Sampras
Flavio Saretta
Attila Savolt
Vincent Spadea
Brian Vahaly

I suppose someone could check the 2003 draw if they really wanted to lol


Those are the people who played there this year, 2003. (note Sampras)

TennisLurker
12-25-2003, 11:20 PM
But Coria played this year in Barcelona (This year Barcelona and Houston were in ther same week), he retired against Hrbaty.

Deboogle!.
12-25-2003, 11:21 PM
Those are the people who played there this year, 2003. (note Sampras)

Right.... duhhhhhh :cuckoo: I'm nuts! :crazy:

star
12-25-2003, 11:22 PM
But Coria played this year in Barcelona (This year Barcelona and Houston were in ther same week), he retired against Hrbaty.

Right. Last year (2002) he played in Houston.

J. Corwin
12-29-2003, 04:28 AM
Very observant, as always, star. :)

jbud
12-29-2003, 10:07 AM
Before hooking up with Brad Gilbert he had an aura of brash arrogance, a very dodgey backhand and not much to talk about. Now, Gilbert's worked wonders and Roddick rightly derserved the media's attention from that point on. But I doubt he'll stay number one for long. Federer is coming...

heya
12-29-2003, 01:23 PM
:bs: :armed:

Action Jackson
12-30-2003, 04:42 AM
Jbud, I agree with you about his tenure at No.1 won't be for very long. Actually the break has made his stay #1 a lot longer than it should be.

Hopefully for Roddick and his deciples he can win titles on all four surfaces during the year, and actually have good results in tournaments on European clay against the big boys ( yes, Coria won't go anywhere the US when the clay season is happening) and start winning tournaments outside the US ( not joke ones like St Pölten).

The backhand is still ordinary and the arrogance is still there, though to be fair Gilbert has done an excellent job with him so far. Time to back it up Roddick, you are the hunted not the hunter now.

J. Corwin
01-01-2004, 06:08 AM
I think Roddick happens to like being the hunted.

And on the contrary, he does deserve to be racking up the weeks at #1 during "the break". That's what year-end #1's get. And Andy is the year-end #1. It's nothing new.

Action Jackson
01-01-2004, 06:49 AM
It's much harder to stay at the top, than on the way up. This in addition to the very good crop of players challenging him, will make it even more difficult for him.

If he plays all the hardcourt tournaments, the US clay events, the grass events then he will do very well more than likely.

He is #1 at the moment, and that's fine as I don't expect it to be a long reign, it's just his weeks at #1 will surpass better players who have held the ranking, due to the current break.

J. Corwin
01-01-2004, 10:16 PM
I know what you mean. Becker had a far superior career than Roddick so far, and Roddick will pass him up with weeks at #1. But that's how the break go. To get #1 was tougher back then (IMO).

Rod Laver has 0 weeks at #1 and yet he's considered one of the greatest of all time. But that's how the breaks go...the ranking system just wasn't invented at the time.

Iza
01-02-2004, 08:33 PM
i think most of them are reasons for why i strongly dislike him, maybe not the way he fakes injuries. bunk was right, there are many that do it and it's for sure not a reason y i don't like him. i don't like the arrogance and the fact that he is given waaaaay to much attention from the press and i dunno y else, maybe the lack of variety in his game. strong serves and powerful shots that's about it. i personally find it kinda boring.

WyverN
01-03-2004, 01:04 PM
I don't see why the break is counted as weeks at #1

star
01-03-2004, 03:09 PM
Because it does!! :banana:

Chloe le Bopper
01-03-2004, 04:29 PM
Why are people using this as a chat thread? :confused:

Erm, not that I'm complaining. It's just a tad ironic that some of the people who bitch about Roddick hate threads keep bumping up what could be classified as one.

Meh.

Carry on. I doubt I'll read this again.

LubiG
01-04-2004, 04:18 PM
All of those are the reasons why i dislike Roddick. Don't get me wrong, i'm not a stupid girl who doesn't like Roddick because he's upper in the ranking thatn my favorite ones... I just dislike his atitude and the fact that he acts more as a movie star than as a tennis player. All that media and fans arround him... I just don't think tennis should be SO comercial.
And as for the fact that he asked the judges to make the Nalbandian and Coria fans don't shout (in Houston)... COME ON! The OWNER of the tournament danced when he won a match!

Pea
01-05-2004, 05:05 AM
Can we ask why people like him? What does he have to offer?

Action Jackson
01-05-2004, 05:07 AM
Ok, Pea it would be a good idea to find out the other side, why don't you start a thread with this burning question?

Deboogle!.
01-05-2004, 05:21 AM
I'd be glad to say why I like Andy. If I actually thought anyone would listen seriously and give it a fair shake :rolleyes:

star
01-05-2004, 05:24 AM
Anyway, isn't there a whole long list of reasons on the Andy forum? No need to reproduce it here. :)

Deboogle!.
01-05-2004, 05:26 AM
well yes, that too :) Though, I don't necessary agree with all 600 something reasons listed there, hehe

Action Jackson
01-05-2004, 05:54 AM
I thought it was 601 bunk?

tangerine_dream
01-05-2004, 05:34 PM
Can we ask why people like him? What does he have to offer?

"What does a world No. 1 player have to offer?" ????

pfffft! :rolleyes:

Havok
01-05-2004, 06:07 PM
Can we ask why people like him? What does he have to offer?
this has got to be one of the most stupidest things i've ever read here:lol:

Chloe le Bopper
01-05-2004, 06:11 PM
this has got to be one of the most stupidest things i've ever read here:lol:
We should make a list :devil:

Pea
01-05-2004, 11:51 PM
this has got to be one of the most stupidest things i've ever read here:lol:

:confused: It is indeed a stupid question, for the fact it there isn't a reason to like him at all. :worship: You're right naldo.

J. Corwin
01-05-2004, 11:57 PM
Why does any fan like any player? For those same reasons, one can like Andy because he/she sees that in him (which is subjective of course).

Havok
01-06-2004, 02:16 AM
:confused: It is indeed a stupid question, for the fact it there isn't a reason to like him at all. :worship: You're right naldo.
oh no i'm sorry, THIS post takes the cake as the dumbest thing i've ever read on this board

tangerine_dream
01-06-2004, 02:21 AM
oh no i'm sorry, THIS post takes the cake as the dumbest thing i've ever read on this board

LOL. Naldo :rocker2:

Gonzo Hates Me!
01-06-2004, 03:33 AM
Yeah, I don't want to get in any fights or anything, 'cause that's so old now. This is just my opinion. I always find when people pose the question, "why do you like _______" It's just immature and classless. Nobody should have to justify what personally satisfies them. But I assume the poster was 50% joking, 50% serious.

Action Jackson
01-06-2004, 04:10 AM
Mrs. Guga never assume anything in the sordid world of MTF?

LubiG
01-06-2004, 06:47 PM
We should make a list :devil:

I have one i have one!! 'Coria is a one-surface player' (said by WyverN)

WyverN
01-07-2004, 12:05 AM
I have one i have one!! 'Coria is a one-surface player' (said by WyverN)

i think it should be off the list until Coria makes a semi final of a hard court slam or beats some decent hard court competition (Federer, Roddick, Ferrero, Nalbandian, Agassi)

when he does either of the above feel free to laugh at me

jbone_14
01-07-2004, 12:26 AM
i just hate him. Hes sooo cocky and can be a real bitch and an ass.

tangerine_dream
01-07-2004, 01:37 AM
i just hate him. Hes sooo cocky and can be a real bitch and an ass.

Shut up, Mardy, and get back to practice !!

undomiele
01-07-2004, 06:05 AM
Keep bitchin' all you want jbone.

Considering there's a pro-Andy forum out there with ppl who can love him all they want, it can't be all that bad to have a venue of discontent for Mr. Roddick somewhere in MTF. ;) Especially for those moments when Andy beats a favorite player...but all and all this thread won't really die (which has been a wish of mine for a long time) until Roddick loses #1 and I think that'll definitely be sooner than most ppl think. :devil:

Marc Rosset is Tall
07-30-2004, 01:23 AM
Bump

Marc Rosset is Tall
07-30-2004, 01:27 AM
the question should be HOW CAN YOU LIKE ANDY RODDICK AND WHY? i mean, there is no reason to like him! but many for disliking

No need for the caps lock, but I can see you don't like Duckboy, so which one did you vote for?

Corey Feldman
07-30-2004, 01:28 AM
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sign/1/sign15.gif :lol:

Marc Rosset is Tall
07-30-2004, 01:30 AM
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sign/1/sign15.gif :lol:

The avatar king strikes again.

Corey Feldman
07-30-2004, 01:36 AM
The avatar king strikes again.
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sign/2/sign30.gif http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sign/2/sign20.gif

papasmurf11
07-30-2004, 01:50 AM
Well said Bunk I completly agree with you! Also about some people saying you hate the andy fans! Well just like every player there are the ones that like the players for there looks,talent,personality so dont go judging a group of fans.

Hatred and negativity seem to be an epidemic on this board, if you haven't noticed already.

:rolleyes:

If you want to know why Andy fans like him, we talk about it all the time on the Andy board, but here are a few of my highlights

~He can't say no to a good cause (which includes double-booking himself in two different states for two different charities)
~He never says anything bad about anyone else (unlike many other players on the tour)
~He has my sense of humor so I find him hilariously funny
~He's willing to use the position that other people have put him in to try to raise the profile of tennis in the US
~He has a fire and a desire to keep improving (as a corollary, he knows what he needs to improve and is willing to work hard)
~He knows that his on-court behavior ends when he leaves the court (as his shown by his extremely mature handlings of both firing Tarik and what Ljubicic said)
~I find watching him play exciting - no his game is not the most fluid and he has plenty of weaknesses, but he draws me in with his heart and emotion

I could go on but I won't, since I imagine you really don't care. I still maintain that it's hard to watch that AO QF against El-Aynaoui and not like him (or Younes for that matter - made me a fan of him for sure!)... that match was not played by a person who only has a one or two-weapon game.

But whatever, you all have fun with your negativity. Aren't people supposed to be joyous and happy this time of year?

sigmagirl91
07-30-2004, 03:14 AM
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sign/2/sign30.gif http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sign/2/sign20.gif

Quite an honor, isn't it?

sigmagirl91
07-30-2004, 03:20 AM
Hatred and negativity seem to be an epidemic on this board, if you haven't noticed already.

:rolleyes:

If you want to know why Andy fans like him, we talk about it all the time on the Andy board, but here are a few of my highlights

~He can't say no to a good cause (which includes double-booking himself in two different states for two different charities)
~He never says anything bad about anyone else (unlike many other players on the tour)
~He has my sense of humor so I find him hilariously funny
~He's willing to use the position that other people have put him in to try to raise the profile of tennis in the US
~He has a fire and a desire to keep improving (as a corollary, he knows what he needs to improve and is willing to work hard)
~He knows that his on-court behavior ends when he leaves the court (as his shown by his extremely mature handlings of both firing Tarik and what Ljubicic said)
~I find watching him play exciting - no his game is not the most fluid and he has plenty of weaknesses, but he draws me in with his heart and emotion

I could go on but I won't, since I imagine you really don't care. I still maintain that it's hard to watch that AO QF against El-Aynaoui and not like him (or Younes for that matter - made me a fan of him for sure!)... that match was not played by a person who only has a one or two-weapon game.

But whatever, you all have fun with your negativity. Aren't people supposed to be joyous and happy this time of year?

Must be fun trying to sell the Brooklyn bridge, but no I'm not buying.

Corey Feldman
07-30-2004, 03:27 AM
Quite an honor, isn't it?
yes, im really excited to be given this honor http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/happy/1/happy45.gif

sigmagirl91
07-30-2004, 12:11 PM
Wow...geez, Escude. You are becoming quite popular. Shall I call you "Mr. Taz" for now on?

Corey Feldman
07-30-2004, 03:21 PM
yes, i love that idea ! Mr http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/character/1/character29.gif

I_Love_Hot_Guys
07-31-2004, 06:37 PM
Jealousy? of what exactly?

Tennis Fool
08-01-2004, 04:05 AM
bump

star
08-01-2004, 04:36 AM
How many is that now????

Ten????

abraxas21
05-28-2012, 07:42 AM
jealousy of his all court classic game style, imho