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Suggestions?

bad gambler
03-21-2006, 11:36 PM
I had the admins of the site ban a few members from accessing this forum with the view of trying restore some civility around here and simply cut the BS that has been an ongoing problem in here for the past 6 months. Unfortunately this problem had previously turned off several people from posting their plays here.

I have received a couple of PM's asking me why this forum does not work like others in terms of posting rules i.e. you state your pick, odds, bookmaker, confidence level and a writeup. Now personally I am not a fan of the writeup, mostly because I am a superstitious prick and I also feel what we do now is more relaxed in that we all post picks and have a discussion of around certain matchups. What do you all think?

Further, the issue of posting your record has come up to provide some transparency amongst us all. Again personally I don't post units or my record because I prefer a certain level of confidentiality but others may see it differently. We are not here to determine who the best capper here is, purpose is to help each other with respect to our picks because at the end of the day we are all here with the same objective. Thoughts?

This is hands down the best tennis forum on the internet, in terms of info on players, live scores and general discussion on mens tennis, don't even bother arguing the point with me and to have a gambling forum associated with it gives us the opportunity to tap into the minds of people who know a great deal about the game, matchups etc etc. I think this place has some very very talented cappers, some of the best I have seen in my long time of frrequenting other boards on the net. Ultimately the more traffic we get in here the better it will be for MTF (and for those non gamblers who are lurking in here while reading this, yes there are plenty who fall into this category ;) , I don't take responsibility of those who hurl abuse at players in the livescoring threads as you will find that 99% of them are not regulars in the gamblers forum).

Also, I notice that a lot of people seem to like to view the forum on a daily basis but never post their picks. I was just curious as to why that is the case? lol is it because you are shy? don't worry we won't bite :p

The Gucci One came up with a fantastic idea with respect to the tennis resources thread, if you have anymore suggestions on how we can improve the tennis area of the gamblers forum, let me know.


:wavey:

Anders
05-02-2006, 03:59 AM
My 2 cents...

Write-ups - would post them if I had time, but simply I don't - too busy chasing the best prices, watching line movement and doing homework. If people can post them, great.

Posting to your record - personally, something I always do. An ego boost - maybe, but I won't always be up so it'll be there for ridicule too. My chief reason is that it gives people reading my posts/plays an indication of how I work - largely underdogs, my money management and my profitability over a long season or more.
When I first began in this game, I was as fresh as a daisy, and pretty gullible. It would have been easy for me to start coat-tailing any internet poster who was "8-1 this week". It took me a short while to realise that figure meant nothing.
I caused a small flame war recently by mentioning this, which wasn't the objective.
Your record should give fellow posters and readers a solid indication of your handicapping ability.

Having said that, I read most posts here - while I won't play heavy chalk, I will read the write-ups of those that do if I feel they are offering insight on the matchup. It may put me off my dog play, it may encourage me to fade the heavily backed fave play. If a post has decent info.
So I don't think it should be compulsory - I enjoy the tennis knowledge on this forum and appreciate those posts.
I do think a posted record will help other posters however, especially new ones. If you aren't keeping your own record imo, then you are really hurting your handicapping.

TheFedExpress
08-12-2006, 09:46 AM
Bad Gambler, reading your interesting post above I must admit that this tennis forum is by far the best around in respect of interesting topics about tennis, the seperate gambling lounge element and interaction between different members, the forum has a good spirit and the numbers are excellent.

I like to post my picks but I am supersticious also in the fact that once i have tipped on the website, its more likely to lose and try to refrain myself from tipping purely as someone else knows who you've picked, so they look out for it and it just tends to lose, call me crazy! Anyways nevertheless i still like to give my footy picks out as i have been successful!

I agree about confidentiality bit but could be good to have a record

bad gambler
08-12-2006, 01:16 PM
Bad Gambler, reading your interesting post above I must admit that this tennis forum is by far the best around in respect of interesting topics about tennis, the seperate gambling lounge element and interaction between different members, the forum has a good spirit and the numbers are excellent.

I like to post my picks but I am supersticious also in the fact that once i have tipped on the website, its more likely to lose and try to refrain myself from tipping purely as someone else knows who you've picked, so they look out for it and it just tends to lose, call me crazy! Anyways nevertheless i still like to give my footy picks out as i have been successful!

I agree about confidentiality bit but could be good to have a record


I alluded to the fact that since this board has a wealth of knowledge in it, makes the betting forum ideally placed to leverage off that. Also if you are here long enough you know there are people here that know their tennis (and other sports for that matter) inside out.

Good to see you and rich posting your thoughts in the soccer forum, you will find if you continue to drive the discussion, more and more people will join in.

Doctor Dance
08-14-2006, 08:12 PM
BG :wavey:

I think writeups should be compulsory, even if it is a few words explaining a selection. Just saying player A to beat player B is useless and I think everyone here will have more respect for those that at least peovide some words even if they dont win the bet. Mistaflava is one that comes to mind - even though he doesnt win all the time at least he provides reasoning for his picks.

Record keeping for purposes of MTF - who cares. People know who wins more than they lose so no big deal. For me priority is discussion of ideas and you can only do that by giving some words in your picks.

Thoughts?

andrew057
08-14-2006, 08:19 PM
BG :wavey:

I think writeups should be compulsory, even if it is a few words explaining a selection. Just saying player A to beat player B is useless and I think everyone here will have more respect for those that at least peovide some words even if they dont win the bet. Mistaflava is one that comes to mind - even though he doesnt win all the time at least he provides reasoning for his picks.

Record keeping for purposes of MTF - who cares. People know who wins more than they lose so no big deal. For me priority is discussion of ideas and you can only do that by giving some words in your picks.

Thoughts?


Solid post :)

Doctor Dance
08-14-2006, 08:21 PM
My 2 cents...

Write-ups - would post them if I had time, but simply I dont - too busy chasing the best prices, watching line movement and doing homework. If people can post them, great.

:bs:

That is such a poor excuse in my opinion. If you are betting on something clearly you have a reason for doing so. If English is your first language is should take you no more than 5 min to do. For me English is not even my second language but I try my best in my broken english to write some words of games I bet, even if it is nowhere near the same quality like BG or Mistaflava

To me those who dont post some words are simply lazy, nothing more.




Posting to your record - personally, something I always do. An ego boost - maybe, but I wont always be up so itll be there for ridicule too. My chief reason is that it gives people reading my posts/plays an indication of how I work - largely underdogs, my money management and my profitability over a long season or more.
When I first began in this game, I was as fresh as a daisy, and pretty gullible. It would have been easy for me to start coat-tailing any internet poster who was 8-1 this week. It took me a short while to realise that figure meant nothing.
I caused a small flame war recently by mentioning this, which wasnt the objective.
Your record should give fellow posters and readers a solid indication of your handicapping ability.


Who cares? Its just a number. I agree that everyone MUST keep their own records but there is no need to post it on this forum. To me comments is far more important than a number saying you are up +10 units for the year etc.


Having said that, I read most posts here - while I wont play heavy chalk, I will read the write-ups of those that do if I feel they are offering insight on the matchup. It may put me off my dog play, it may encourage me to fade the heavily backed fave play. If a post has decent info.
So I dont think it should be compulsory - I enjoy the tennis knowledge on this forum and appreciate those posts.
I do think a posted record will help other posters however, especially new ones. If you arent keeping your own record imo, then you are really hurting your handicapping.

You seem to be caught up with this posting records business yet you dismiss probably the most important thing for purposes of running a betting forum, writeups. No one cares about records on a forum - for a new poster it would be more benefit to see explanations to picks than a posted record.

Anders
08-14-2006, 08:51 PM
That is such a poor excuse in my opinion. If you are betting on something clearly you have a reason for doing so. If English is your first language is should take you no more than 5 min to do. For me English is not even my second language but I try my best in my broken english to write some words of games I bet, even if it is nowhere near the same quality like BG or Mistaflava

To me those who dont post some words are simply lazy, nothing more.

Thanks for listening to my reasons. Yeah. I'm really lazy... I post at at least 4 other places and send out a stack of emails detailing plays, that I don't really have time for but I like to try and help out people who also help me out.
Usually, I'm doing this as a solo dad trying to get my 2 kids ready for school each day, so thatnks heaps for calling me lazy...
Btw, my write-up would be the same every time - "I don't think the price truly represents the value on the wagered player". That's my reason for doing so in a nutshell.


Who cares? Its just a number. I agree that everyone MUST keep their own records but there is no need to post it on this forum. To me comments is far more important than a number saying you are up +10 units for the year etc.

Really? So you'd rather read comments from a guy who can't win money to buy a hamburger than follow plays by somebody who can make money?
It's not "just a number" - it's profit or loss.


You seem to be caught up with this posting records business yet you dismiss probably the most important thing for purposes of running a betting forum, writeups. No one cares about records on a forum - for a new poster it would be more benefit to see explanations to picks than a posted record.

I really don't think you read my 1st post all that well ya know. I said one of the reasons I post here is because I enjoy the knowledge it shares. Let's take flava as an example. I will read his previews, and see what info I can glean from it. But does it mean I will back the same plays? No. Personally I think he plays too much chalk and has money management weaknesses. Do I appreciate him posting? Yes. Btw, this is no knock on flava, just an example of someone who does post sizeable previews.
If you can't see the value of someone who constantly posts their record and shows some ability to make some money then I fear I'm wasting my time trying to explain once again. I know my tennis knowledge isn't at the level of some posters, but I also know that in the long-run I have a reasonable record of making money wagering on tennis - surely that's the key point of a GAMBLING forum?
Also, not trying to blow my own trumpet here, just giving my approach as asked for. I know there are no guarantees in this game and all I do is try to work as hard as possible to maximise my chances of beating the books.

Lebowski
08-14-2006, 09:53 PM
Btw, my write-up would be the same every time - "I don't think the price truly represents the value on the wagered player". That's my reason for doing so in a nutshell.



agree

andrew057
08-14-2006, 10:03 PM
Btw, my write-up would be the same every time - "I don't think the price truly represents the value on the wagered player". That's my reason for doing so in a nutshell.

Whilst I agree with many points youve said Anders and respect your opinion. This is a cop out and doesnt answer the original question.

You dont think the price truely represents the value on the wagered player? Yeah thats great, but WHY dont you think the price represents that? Thats the purpose of a write-up, to explain this.

Anders
08-14-2006, 11:12 PM
Like I said Andrew, chief reason is simply I don't have time. When I'm posting plays, I'm usually wagering on them at the same time trying to get the best price before moves, or trying to get away to pick my kids up from school, or cook tea, yadda yadda.
I have more time during the day, but that's when I'm usually doing some homework.

andrew057
08-14-2006, 11:15 PM
Thats fair enough mate.

Anders
08-14-2006, 11:32 PM
cheers....
Lastly, prob just to clarify a little, I'm sure you wouldn't find many fascinating insights into my write-ups; no detailed examination of how Wawrinka's backhand service return may trouble Chucho, who .... blah blah blah. With 90% of games I play, I actually think the guy I'm backing against will even win - it's just that I think the oddsmaker has undervalued the winning chances of his opponent. So a write-up on that may read a little funny to most. I don't have any magical formulas either, just handicap them like most - current form, fitness, motivation, tactical/ability matchups, strengths and weaknesses, past record, court surface, all that jazz.
GL

Doctor Dance
08-15-2006, 12:29 PM
Thanks for listening to my reasons. Yeah. Im really lazy... I post at at least 4 other places and send out a stack of emails detailing plays, that I dont really have time for but I like to try and help out people who also help me out.
Usually, Im doing this as a solo dad trying to get my 2 kids ready for school each day, so thatnks heaps for calling me lazy...
Btw, my write-up would be the same every time - I dont think the price truly represents the value on the wagered player. Thats my reason for doing so in a nutshell.


Ok firstly I did not intend a personal attack on you - if you re read what I wrote I made a general comment that I believe those who dont provide writeups are lazy. If this is what you thought than I apologize but again read what I wrote.

Yes we are all busy, you have kids to look after others study and work full time :shrug: And as to a potential writeup you say all it will be is just that it represents value. Well I know this type of style, it is based on some estimation of a players chance to win whether it is 60%, 65%, 70%. Question is why do you believe his chances are such? Surely you have a reason backing such an estimation?



Really? So youd rather read comments from a guy who cant win money to buy a hamburger than follow plays by somebody who can make money?
Its not just a number - its profit or loss.

Well i guess i did not explain what I meant. If given a choice I would rather see someone provides reasoning for their picks. Yes they could be losing ones but sometimes you have to take two steps back to go forward. A lot of people here are pretty new to tennis betting and so still understanding players, matchups, how they play on different surfaces etc. We can than all this type of info to make predictions in the future. This was my response to you just dismissing the notion of making comments and rather see a record with numbers.





I really dont think you read my 1st post all that well ya know. I said one of the reasons I post here is because I enjoy the knowledge it shares. Lets take flava as an example. I will read his previews, and see what info I can glean from it. But does it mean I will back the same plays? No. Personally I think he plays too much chalk and has money management weaknesses. Do I appreciate him posting? Yes. Btw, this is no knock on flava, just an example of someone who does post sizeable previews.
If you cant see the value of someone who constantly posts their record and shows some ability to make some money then I fear Im wasting my time trying to explain once again. I know my tennis knowledge isnt at the level of some posters, but I also know that in the long-run I have a reasonable record of making money wagering on tennis - surely thats the key point of a GAMBLING forum?
Also, not trying to blow my own trumpet here, just giving my approach as asked for. I know there are no guarantees in this game and all I do is try to work as hard as possible to maximise my chances of beating the books.


So you say you like to use this forum because you can see if you can get some info that you may not have considered? So going back to something you wrote earlier:

I post at at least 4 other places and send out a stack of emails detailing plays , that I dont really have time for but I like to try and help out people who also help me out.

Any reason why you dont share this to this forum then? :confused: I thought this was a two way street where you give and take, not just take :shrug: If you mean just sending picks with no explanation than ignore what I just wrote.

Look Anders, BG has asked for a suggestion and I shared my suggestion - what he wants to do with it is up to him since he is running the show here. Again if my posts came like it was an attack on you personally than I apologize but it just that you seem to contradict yourself with that last point. You want to read what others write but not willing to share your own knowledge in the form of some words, which must be pretty good since you have a positive record and said you have done well in your career. And reason why I am caught about comments like you are about posting records is because I thought the purpose of establishing this gambling forum was to generate discussion of matches and brainstorm ideas and for people to go away and form their own bets based on that discussion. Well that was what I read from the admins 18 months ago when this forum was created.

Also just a note to you BG - you will find a lot of people not bothering to post their thoughts because others dont, simple as that and find that there are other places to post picks with proper discussion of selections. I think a couple of people pretty much said the same thing in another thread you created about contributing.

bad gambler
08-15-2006, 03:01 PM
lol WTF, I created this thread 6 months ago and now only people decide to respond :silly:

Off to bed but will respond in time to all

Anders
08-15-2006, 08:23 PM
DD - apology accepted, wasn't asking for one but nice of u to say so.
When I say detailing plays, I simply mean listing them as I so here - apologies for any confusion.
I understand what u r saying too, simple thing is I just don't have the time, at the right time of day. If people are unhappy about that, ah well, it's a forum, no one's forcing anyone to do anything.
GL mate

bad gambler
09-03-2006, 02:25 AM
Sorry I was meaning to respond here but completely forgot.

I posed the question few months ago with respect to writeups and apart from a handful of people, 1 who hadn't even posted here previously, the general consensus was to leave it the way it is.