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I miss Guillermo Coria - who do you miss (in top form)?

Rogiman
03-20-2006, 10:00 AM
I know this kind of discussion fits better in GM, but I prefer to stay in this forum, 'cause I find the folks nicer.

Now, someone in GM (dylan24 I think) started a thread about a few high-caliber players that once were thought of as the future of the game,but seem to be of little relevance to what's going on in tennis right now, Ferrero, Hewitt, Roddick and Coria.

I used to like Ferrero quite a bit, but in a hindsight I don't think it was for his tennis (although on clay he was very impressive) as much as for his quiet and calm personality.
Anyways, Juan Carlos has pretty much faded away at the end of 2003 and has never been his old self again, perhaps he's content with what he has achieved as a young player, and can't find the motivation to put in the hard work to go back to the top.

Roddick and Hewitt have never been my cup of tea, but even I must admit I'm surprised with how fast the prophecy about Roddick both losing power and being figured out came true, and Hewitt - well, I'm kind of happy to see how Roger dominates him after Hewitt had given him so much shit earlier in their careers, with that DC loss standing out of course.

The one I really miss (in top form) and can't help feeling sorry for is Guillermo Coria.
True, like Nadal, Coria's tennis has always been mainly about defense, the difference being Coria is not a muscular 6'2, and has never been a ball basher.

Watching Coria play (mainly on clay) is like watching a tennis professor in action: great hands, great tactics, great brains, that way a slim guy like him could handle a huge server like Ljubicic 6:4 6:4 in the semis of Basel, for instance, or make it (twice) to the quarters of the USO, losing 5:7 i the 5th to a red-hot Ginepri, in a match he hit around 20(!!!) double faults.

But the real story is surely Roland Garros.
People often say: "it's just a tennis match", but that day against Gaudio was the most important day of Coria's life, more important than his wedding day, more important than the day his first child will be born - for us it's just a tennis match - for them it's their whole life.

Seriously, if I were Gaudio I would hand the title over to Coria.
That day the first couple of sets (6:3 6:0) were much more indicative about the respective levels of both players than what followed, and through great pain Coria still managed to earn two match points in the 5th - which he couldn't convert - and must still be living through those moments every night in his bed, like they say: from hero to zero.

Frankly, I don't think I would have gotten over such a trauma, that year was supposed to be Coria's year, but wasn't to be.
Last year we where watching a shadow of Coria, and that was still good enough to make 2 TMS finals, pushing Nadal in both (that day in Rome he played awesome tennis, too), and make it to his 3rd TMC in a row.

I hope Coria will be back soon, and strong.
He is coached by Higuerras, a world class coach, and hopefully gets all the support he needs from the people surrounding him, because for a young guy he's already been through an awful lot (let's not forget his suspension).

Be strong, Guillermo! ;)

Dirk
03-20-2006, 10:04 AM
I agree. Coria is a very smart player who has the hottest Wife/Girlfriend on the tour. I hope he comes back because he can give Piggy trouble.

Puschkin
03-20-2006, 10:09 AM
I used to like Ferrero quite a bit, but in a hindsight I don't think it was for his tennis (although on clay he was very impressive) as much as for his quiet and calm personality.
Anyways, Juan Carlos has pretty much faded away at the end of 2003 and has never been his old self again, perhaps he's content with what he has achieved as a young player, and can't find the motivation to put in the hard work to go back to the top.
:topic:

I also liked JCF and I still do. However, my perception is totally different from yours. I never considered him a genious on court, but a very hard worker, who demonstrated that you can live your dream (and winning RG was his dream) by perserverance and hard work.

I think he still works hard, maybe even too hard, and that's why he is too tense and things don't work out anymore. Just a thought.....

Sjengster
03-20-2006, 03:14 PM
The result of the RG final was one of my happiest moments of 2004, outside all of Federer's accomplishments, so I can't say I agree Rogiman. I don't miss Coria at all, but on the other hand, I do recognise that without him in top form there is one less challenger for Nadal on clay, as if there weren't few enough already. I mean he had him in the Rome final, and coped surprisingly well with the Nadal forehand to his two-hander considering he's only a little fella, but somehow managed to blow it, and if they were to meet now on clay there is no way Coria would be pushing Nadal to 5 hours and 14 minutes.

SUKTUEN
03-20-2006, 04:24 PM
???

stebs
03-20-2006, 04:45 PM
I don't really like Coria but I am with you for his tennis. Really beautiful to watch and I love that tennis mind because it kind of reminds me of the way I would like to be able to play. I am not strong so can't outhit people I have to manoever them and play drops shots etc...

Unfortunately for me, I suck. Coria does things with such a level of intelligence that has never really been seen by a player who isn't a serve volleyer.

World Beater
03-20-2006, 05:10 PM
i miss having kuerten and rios on tour. I think they would have really created some of the best matches on tour. Rios-federer, wow that would be great!

I hope federer and safin can meet on clay in the final, so we can see a repeat of hamburg a few years ago where federer imo, played his best clay match ever.

ExpectedWinner
03-20-2006, 06:52 PM
A good s&v on tour. Not a player like Pete with unreturnable serves, but someone like Edberg/Rafter would be nice to have.

Rogiman
03-20-2006, 06:59 PM
A good s&v on tour. Not a player like Pete with unreturnable serves, but someone like Edberg/Rafter would be nice to have.
I'm afraid this kind of player would not have the same success Rafter and Edberg enjoyed, seeing as most surfaces nowadays play practically as slow as clay.

If s&v was still possible I'm convinced it would've been Roger's natural choice...

I mean, you've got Mirnyi - how far does he get...?

ExpectedWinner
03-20-2006, 07:10 PM
I'm afraid this kind of player would not have the same success Rafter and Edberg enjoyed, seeing as most surfaces nowadays play practically as slow as clay.




You are probably right. I was surprised to read in Fed's interview that IW courts were slower than in Australia, and according to Hewitt courts there were as slow as at RG.

Dirk
03-20-2006, 07:35 PM
:topic:

I also liked JCF and I still do. However, my perception is totally different from yours. I never considered him a genious on court, but a very hard worker, who demonstrated that you can live your dream (and winning RG was his dream) by perserverance and hard work.

I think he still works hard, maybe even too hard, and that's why he is too tense and things don't work out anymore. Just a thought.....

JC is too silky to be a grinder. He was very talented and had more promise but he let his injuries get to him mentally and he doesn't really want it anymore.

RogiFan88
03-21-2006, 02:45 AM
Re: RG04, I agree with Sjengster. Rogiman, put the violins away--PLEASE! (Clearly Rogiman would not appreciate my lyrical tribute to that final... RG04F (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=1444026&postcount=434). ;) )

Although I'm not a Coria fan, I can appreciate his tennis 'in top form'. But I don't think he's necessarily the one to challenge Nadal...I think challengers will come from his peer group, like Gasquet (when he ever grows up) or Baggy or someone we haven't even considered yet. I do however miss the entertainment value of Coria's matches v Hewitt, Agassi, and Roddick. Oh and the tennis too sometimes. :p

I also miss S&Vers like Rafter, and geniuses like Rios.

(Puschkin, I'm with you on the JCF issue.)

SUKTUEN
03-21-2006, 04:02 PM
I miss Andy Roddick, I want to watch the final of him and Roger~~

Fedex
03-25-2006, 10:14 AM
I miss Ferrero. When this guy was at the top of the game, he could hold his own against anyone. Sadly injurys have slowed him down, and he doesn't seem to have the desire or will to get back to where he was in 2003.

Rogiman
03-26-2006, 12:28 AM
Coria won on his comeback match vs. Djokovic (another hyped youngster) 7:5 6:1 :D

Way to go! :yeah:

makro120
03-26-2006, 01:46 AM
Obviously for me the answer would be Kuerten. He faded away too early in his career and not because of mental problems or beeing bored or figured out or anything like that, but because of one unlucky injury. 24 years old he was 3 times RG champion, world nr1 and had half his career ahead of him. For me Kuerten was the reason I started watching tennis. He was such an amazing character in the tennis court and did really create art on clay. He was a shining star among the horde of spanish and argentinan ballbashers, will someone ever make such a connection with the audiance as Guga did with the french and really did all over the world? Will anyone draw an ugly hearth on the dirt of roland garros ever again?

If anyone would do that, it would surely be Guga in somekind of miracolous comeback! Guga was like a goodguy version of Safin, I dont know if anyone could dislake Guga.

RogiFan88
03-26-2006, 04:02 AM
an ugly heart, makro?? [I remember AA saying that he wished HE had thought of that... :rolleyes:.]

makro120
03-26-2006, 02:06 PM
Sure, Agassi wishes he and his marketing crew would have thought about it.

Seriously, Guga was always himself out there, never trying to invent some personality for marketing or do crazy stuff for his image. He had drawn a heart to really show his appreciation to the crowd for their support all these years and to show his love for the tournament which made him a star. It was not to market himself or anything like that.

SUKTUEN
03-26-2006, 04:01 PM
Nadal is out, I hope Andy can go to final this time!

PaulieM
03-26-2006, 06:38 PM
i miss seeing coria, tim and seb play really really well, it doesn't happen quite as often anymore.:sad: although right now things seem like they might be looking up for them, hope it lasts. :unsure: you can put me on the "sad that s&v is dead" train as well. :(

NaDALiTa
03-26-2006, 06:41 PM
i already miss Rafa and Marat ................... :sad: :sad:

Skyward
03-26-2006, 07:08 PM
Nadal is out, I hope Andy can go to final this time!

It means Roger will not reach the final. :devil: They are in the same half.

SUKTUEN
03-27-2006, 03:43 PM
It means Roger will not reach the final. :devil: They are in the same half.
Really?????????? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

RogiFan88
03-27-2006, 05:25 PM
i already miss Rafa and Marat ................... :sad: :sad:


Rafa perhaps, Marat no... :p

SUKTUEN
03-28-2006, 04:51 PM
I cannot watch Andy 's match tonight

Rogiman
03-28-2006, 05:18 PM
Guillermo was thrashed by Ollie :sad: :tape:

RogiFan88
03-28-2006, 08:05 PM
...but at least he's back... ;)

SUKTUEN
03-29-2006, 03:55 PM
Hope Andy can play semi final with Roger this time!!!