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Predict Andy's Slam Wins

tangerine_dream
12-11-2003, 08:34 PM
Andy made it to the semi-finals at the 2003 AO. How far do you guys think he'll get this year? Do you think he will be able to hold off Hewitt and Agassi to win the title?

Andy has crashed out in the first round of ROLAND GARROS two years in a row! Now that he's working with Brad Gilbert, do you think his luck will change? How far do you think he'll get at the 2004 FO?

He also made it to the semi-finals at WIMBLEDON. Will he make it again? Will Federer successfully defend his title or will Tim Henman finally grab a slam title?

No doubt Andy will be the big favorite at the US OPEN next year. Everybody will be gunning for him and the pressure will be on for him to defend his title. Who do you think will be his biggest competition next year?

Do you think he'll dominate the summer hardcourts again? Will he win back-to-back Master Series titles again? (random question: If he does manage to do that, will that be a new record?)

Does anyone think either Mardy Fish or James Blake will finally beat Andy in one of the other tournaments next year?

Do you think Andy will break his serve speed record in 2004? (149 mph)

Discuss! :banana:

tangerine_dream
12-11-2003, 10:01 PM
Where is everybody? I'm bored and all alone in here. :sad:

Anyways, I forgot to mention that the one thing I hope Andy changes next year is HIS OUTFIT! I am so sick of seeing that white and blue striped Reebok getup. I mean, it looks fine on him but I just wish he'd mix it up and wear a different outfit/color sometimes.

I like the one he wore at his charity event.

MisterQ
12-11-2003, 11:09 PM
First of all, if I were Andy, I would get myself up 5-0 in a set and then go grab a racquet strung a dozen pounds looser than usual and bang out that 150 mph serve everyone's waiting for!

Don't think he'll win back to back Masters Series, but I think he will win at least one.Fish will beat him next year, but not Blake.

I think Andy will do better at RG this year. I think it will be and should be one of his goals. He's mentally more confident now, and I think he will make it to the fourth round or quarterfinals.

At Wimbledon he will make the second week.

In Australia he will make the semis again.

The USO is too far away to predict. But simple odds are that he won't defend the title.

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 12:31 AM
I hate predictions, I can't do it!

and LOL MisterQ, I agree he should go for the 150!!! And I like your predictions. You're gustier than I am lol

Havok
12-12-2003, 12:36 AM
AO- at least the quarters, i predict another semis showing
RG- at least 4th round, possible quarters i think
Wimbledon- at least the second week, possible finals/winner i say:eek:
US- it's a given at least quarters, i think semis but might defend as well
Blake- will NOT beat Andy
Fish- will NOT beat Andy, but take sets off him here and there
150 mph serve- HELL YEAH:rocker2: as MisterQ said, just switch racquets when you're really up and smakc the SHIT out of the ball to take the record away from horseface
TMS- at least one, i think 2 again ( bold prediction, he'll win one of the really big ones Miami or IW)
i predict 4-5 titles next year:banana:

MisterQ
12-12-2003, 01:13 AM
Another prediction from MisterQ:

Andy will lose No. 1 to Roger in Australia. But he will gain it back in the next few months. Then Roger and Andy will be neck-to-neck going into Wimbledon.

This will contribute to a sense of rivalry between the two, even though in their head-to-head it hasn't been much of a contest (YET!).

J. Corwin
12-12-2003, 01:33 AM
My predictions:

Andy will make the 2nd week of every slam next year.
AO: at least the quarters
FO: at least round of 16
Wim: at least the quarters
USO: at least the quarters

His best record will be on hardcourts again, and especially during the summer swing. I think he'll win one TMS title. And no, if he does win another back-to-back Masters Series Titles, it won't be a new record (Andre's done it twice. 1995: Montreal/Cincinnati, 2001: Indian Wells/Miami). If Andy manages it, he and Andre will be the only players to do it twice.

James won't be Andy next year, but Mardy will.

Andy won't break the service speed record but he will tie it again or come very close to it.

I agree with Mr.Q that he should just bang away on a few serves just to try to set a new record. :)

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 02:04 AM
If Andy wins the Olympics I don't really care what happens the rest of the year lol ok that's not true.... but I'd REALLY like to see him win

J. Corwin
12-12-2003, 02:19 AM
Of course. Can't forget the Olympics. :)

Havok
12-12-2003, 03:17 AM
SHIT the Olympics. what dumbasses we are. tnaks for bringing it up bunk;) so ad for the Olympics, i see Andy getting to the semis, and most probably a medal. i mean come on now an outdoor hardcourt venue. baring injury and stuff like that, a medal is clearly in sight

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 03:29 AM
it's not just an outdoor hardcourt, it's the exact same surface and ball as the USO. they're treating it as a warmup event of sorts.

J. Corwin
12-12-2003, 04:56 AM
But you never know. Andy's play during the TMC wasn't very encouraging lol.

And Deb, you don't have to bring up his being tired again. ;) I know that...lol

Mr. Man
12-12-2003, 05:02 AM
AO- semis or winner
FO- RD16 or quaters
Wimby- Semis or winner
USO- Hell, he will defend

..now let's see how I do. ;)

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 05:06 AM
But you never know. Andy's play during the TMC wasn't very encouraging lol.

And Deb, you don't have to bring up his being tired again. ;) I know that...lol

No it wasn't... and I won't bring up his being tired so much as it being a first for him. He'd never played that much tennis before in a year, he'd never been that busy and crazy and all the other stuff that goes along WITH playing so much. He wasn't expecting it to happen so he couldn't plan accordingly. Whereas someone like ferrero knew what all that was like before. he made it to TMS last year, he should've known how to pace himself and he obviously didn't. But Andy just sort of had no clue lol... I expect Andy to learn from that and schedule himself more accordingly throughout the year. Him working on his fitness will help too, and that is enough for me to not be discouraged by his TMS play. He still won a couple tough matches and was able to come back from being down and pull out the wins and everything. I mean the poor Ferrero fans.... they have nothing encouraging to take from it at all lmfao

J. Corwin
12-12-2003, 07:32 AM
And Deb goes on her lil rant...lol

I hear ya tho, I really do. May Andy have an even better 2004. It's only 3 more weeks...lol

star
12-12-2003, 01:31 PM
I think that in retrospect the SNL gig took more out of Andy than he would like to admit. Anyone who has been involved in a live performance knows how draining that can be. Even rehearsals take a lot of energy. The only times I have been like SUPER hungry are after swiming and rehearsals.

Anyway, I hope he learned something from spreading himself a little too thin. I think Andy may have a problem saying no. I hope he's through with that endless round of exhibitions.

Anyway, ................. screw the Olympics. :lol:

Jag
12-12-2003, 02:02 PM
AO - At least the semis
FO - Don't think he'll make the second week
Wimbledon - Potential to take the title but it all depends on the seedings and who plays who and if anyone does him any favours
USO - not sure if he can handle the pressure of his first defence of a title, he hasn't had to face that before but it he can deal with it mentally, he'll go all the way.

One things is almost for sure though, the Federer-Roddick rivalry will DEFINITELY step up a gear.

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 02:53 PM
lol jackson it wasn't a rant... just my opinion :p

and star... maybe so.. but he was down before then too, in Paris, Madrid, etc.

tangerine_dream
12-12-2003, 03:39 PM
How funny would it be if Andy actually won the French Open next year? No one expects it and it would be such an upset. :lol:

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 05:29 PM
How funny would it be if Andy actually won the French Open next year? No one expects it and it would be such an upset. :lol:

LMGDFAO It'd be funny... but no one would even know about it - we'd all have passed out way before he even made it to the finals :p

Mr. Man
12-12-2003, 05:38 PM
How funny would it be if Andy actually won the French Open next year? No one expects it and it would be such an upset. :lol:
I would like it, but then again I wouldn't. You know the haters would be all like "oh please, his win was a fluke" and a little more bullshit after that. *yawn* The haters are predictable. hhahaha

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 06:27 PM
I'm not gonna say I don't want something b/c of the haters lol... but I see what you mean. I'd rather him have a good solid clay season (do well at the TMS events, do well at RG but not necessarily win)... if he has a solid season all around they can't really say a whole damn lot.

tangerine_dream
12-12-2003, 07:07 PM
Pfft. Who cares what the haters think? :rolleyes: Andy's No. 1 whether they like it or not. Hee! :devil:

Hey, how fast do you think tickets would sell out if everyone heard there was another Roddick-El Aynaoui matchup at the AO? :D

BTW, who will be broadcasting the AO next year? CBS or ESPN?

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 07:44 PM
ESPN2 has hours of live coverage EVERY Night during the AO!!

J. Corwin
12-12-2003, 07:52 PM
That's what I love about Grand Slam coverage. They always give you hours of live coverage...yes, even ESPN.

I don't care if the haters make excuses for his wins at all. The more Andy wins, the better. And if it includes the FO, then so be it. Perhaps even better. It's always gonna be hard for him to win it. If he wins it next year it'll be great cuz his win will secure the FO title and that will forever be part of his career resume. (Oh, and it will annoy the haters to no end, and that is a guilty pleasure of mine. :p)

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 09:04 PM
If he wins it next year it'll be great cuz his win will secure the FO title and that will forever be part of his career resume. (Oh, and it will annoy the haters to no end, and that is a guilty pleasure of mine. :p)


All excellent points... and yes... obviously I want Andy to win for himself... but I also want him to win to we can say a big SCREW YOU to the haters lol... we're so bad.

Havok
12-12-2003, 09:30 PM
no we're not bad. hey we Andy fans don't hate on other players, with the exception of tangerine and Daveeeeeed:baby: Nalbandian. but even at that tangerine doesn't create new threads and no devotion is spent on Daveeeeed:baby: like the haters do with Andy.

tangerine_dream
12-12-2003, 09:35 PM
no we're not bad. hey we Andy fans don't hate on other players, with the exception of tangerine and Daveeeeeed:baby: Nalbandian. but even at that tangerine doesn't create new threads and no devotion is spent on Daveeeeed:baby: like the haters do with Andy.

ROTFL! You makin' fun of me? ;)

But you're right, I don't turn my annoyance with Daveeed:baby: into a daily anti-Daveeed:baby: thread in GM. :devil:

Havok
12-12-2003, 09:54 PM
oh no i'm not making fun of you. actually every time you post this " Daveeeeeed:baby: Nalbandian" you make me :haha:

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 10:00 PM
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

J. Corwin
12-12-2003, 10:04 PM
We can show some David love around here. See? We're nice people. ;)

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 10:10 PM
I don't really have a problem with David... he's far from my fave but far from my least fave too.

J. Corwin
12-12-2003, 10:19 PM
I like him especially when he beats Roger.

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 10:21 PM
lol true, especially when Roger's in Andy's half of the draw.

J. Corwin
12-12-2003, 10:26 PM
Now, now...I had no insinuations with my comment. ;)

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 10:29 PM
hahaha noooooo none at alllll Jace=:angel:

J. Corwin
12-12-2003, 10:44 PM
I actually do like Roger.

But sometimes sacrifices have to be made for the greater good. :angel:

Deboogle!.
12-12-2003, 11:08 PM
hahahahaha

heya
12-13-2003, 12:46 AM
I would love for him to win at least 7 titles including Olympics,
but his poor form lately, little practice and progress on
all surfaces will slow him down.

Probably 1-3 titles, no slams if he continues to
have an "I'm inferior, so I'll desperately do low percentage shots" attitude in the middle of matches.
It'll be worse if people won't let him rest but make him believe that he has to do
a lot on/off court or else he's a failure.

If he concentrates and improves, he'll win at least 4-5 titles
AO semis+
FO quarters+
W sem+
USO sem+
Masters Cup Champ

star
12-13-2003, 12:49 AM
lol jackson it wasn't a rant... just my opinion :p

and star... maybe so.. but he was down before then too, in Paris, Madrid, etc.

I don't know if he was or if it was his usualy poor play in Europe, but if you are right, he really oughtn't have done SNL.

heya
12-13-2003, 01:48 AM
On the tricky courts@Madrid, Basel, Paris,
you can't stand 3 feet behind the line,
just get defensive and do
nothing around the net.

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 01:53 AM
From the matches I saw in Europe (all of Madrid and a couple of the Paris matches) Andy was definitely not himself. Even those matches against qualifiers in Basel, against Hanescu in Paris... he had trouble and shouldn't have. The only match he won easily was against one of his biggest pigeons Tommy. Pretty much from the USO on he didn't play up to what he can.

Should he have done SNL? I don't know, we'll never know. Andy maintains he liked being away from the hullaballoo of Houston and just being he and Brad practicing in NYC. Maybe it tired him out but my honest gut instinct feeling? It didn't make a difference. He wouldn't have beaten Roger and he has trouble with Rainer so there is no reason to think he could've won that match had he not done SNL? That seems like an awful stretch.

My feeling the whole time is that the USO happened and then it all happened SO FAST for him, all the attention here, all the press appearances, interviews, articles, demands, people pulling him everywhere. I just think he didn't expect it and didn't know how to deal. Yes I realize that JCF and Roger didn't face the same problem, but they didn't face the US media and I DO think that's a big difference. and everyone's different and Andy obviously dealt with the whole thing differently.

That said, I expect our good old fresh, happy, energetic, winning Andy to show up in Doha and Melbourne. Andy and Brad surely have tapes from the end of the season, starting from Davis Cup, and hopefully they'll watch them and figure out what happened and he'll come back and be the Andy we expect. At this point, I don't see a reason to think that this WON'T happen, until he loses in 1st round of Doha and stinks up the AO lol

Call me the eternal idealist, I guess. I just don't like looking at the past unless it's to make changes for for the better for the future.

edit: Heya, we've talked about the fact that standing so far back was one of Brad's "quick fixes" til they had time to really work on stuff over the off-season. I hope and expect to see MUCH less of that next season once they've had time to work on the stuff. Even all the commentators commented on the fact that it was working for the time being but was just a quick fix.

heya
12-13-2003, 01:56 AM
Brad works a miracle and takes away his little chokes.
yeah right, Dallas Mavericks and Sacramento Kings don't choke
either!

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 01:57 AM
huh?

heya
12-13-2003, 02:04 AM
Seriously, didn't you cringe when he celebrated a
break, then got broken and lost a tiebreak in the 3rd set? This is an all-year focus problem.

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 02:11 AM
I'm sorry.... I really just don't understand what you're trying to say.

Yes Andy has problems on court - when he gets ANGRY. When he's cool, calm, and confident he's almost unbeatable.

Look at the Moya match. He wins the first set pretty easily, then gets a really bum call in the second set, it works him ALL up and he ends up losing the set pretty quickly. It takes until the set changeover pretty much for him to totally calm down to recover enough to win the third set. His problems come when he gets angry. That's my story and I am sticking to it.

J. Corwin
12-13-2003, 02:12 AM
Please don't remind me of that round-robin match against Schuetter. I *knew* he was gonna lose that match even when he broke and took a 3-0 lead in the 3rd.

heya
12-13-2003, 02:17 AM
I don't know how much 1 month's practice could do.
It's questionable if standing near the base line and shortening swings make it easier to win rallies.

heya
12-13-2003, 02:34 AM
He couldn't win in 2 sets against Coria...looked
like it suddenly hit him that wasting energy on
off court stuff hurt him.
How does playing the AO right after
playing an exhibition help him?
Maybe he'll keep saying "I was drained and can't believe I won."

heya
12-13-2003, 02:40 AM
Wouldn't you be happy if he steps up and wins tiebreaks,
so there wouldn't be short, sad matches vs. Roger, whoever else?

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 03:06 AM
it's more than 1 month's practice (it's more like almost 2 months) and also, it's more than practice, it's a BREAK. It's not having to travel (except for charity events that he's so passionate about), it's getting refreshed to do it all over again, it's changing things so that he can do a better job of pacing throughout the whole year. It's working on stuff at HOME, where he is relaxed and comfortable...it's a whole lot more than "just a month practice" - for all the guys, not just Andy of course.

Andy has a great tie-break record, even with him losing the last 6 he played at the end of the season (which doesn't need to be rehashed), and anyway what does him winning TBs have to do with anything that is being discussed in this thread? Obviously we all want him to win every TB he plays. duh.

This thread was started out as positive, what we are fantasizing for Andy for next year. Why are you turning it into all negatives that we've already discussed like 2947029467026 times anyway? Yes, it's great to be constructive about where we'd like to see him improve, what we know he can improve upon, etc. etc, but being negative about it won't get anyone anywhere.

We've talked about the way Andy played at the end of the season many times over. Whatever each of us feels is the reason behind the way he played, and we all probably feel a little differently about it, we all pretty much agree that it wasn't "normal" behavior, not what we're used to seeing from Andy. Maybe it was SNL, maybe everything just caught up to him and he didn't know how to deal, maybe his season wasn't planned out well and he had nothing left, maybe something was going on that we have NO CLUE about, whoooo knows.

Now, I'd rather look forward and be optimistic that his post-USO 2003 season was a one-time thing and that he will come back fresh and ready to go in 2004 with an improved game (both technically and mentally) and a fresh outlook, raring to go and hungry to keep his #1.

And as I've said many times, I don't have any proof yet that leads me to believe anything other than that Andy will come out of the gates and play well.

Havok
12-13-2003, 03:09 AM
i don't think we should be looking at his matches after the US Open. i don't care WHo you are, after going on a 19 match winning streak, winning 3 HUGE titles in a row (Montreal, Cincy, US Open) you're bound to have some sort of a downer no matter what. i mean heck you can even look at Roger and Ferrero who didn't have close to the summer Andy had, and they sucked ass too during the last stretch of the season. and heya yourcelebrating a break, then getting broken and losing in a tb for Andy happend on clay, which is his worst surface, and happend after the US Open. when someone is both physically and mentally drained, it's really tough on you when things are getting hard, and when you enter a tiebreak, if you're mentally wiped out, there's no way you're gonna win that TB easily. anyways, all we have to do is wait another 3-4 weeks and we'll see what Andy and Brad have been working on. and u suspect the return of serve and standing closer to the baseline to be their #1 thing to work on

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 03:13 AM
all good points Naldo - basically what I was trying to say.

As for Andy being up a break 3-0 and then losing the match.... what match was this? and how did I miss it? If it was on clay then it was the DC match, that's the only match on clay he played after the USO... now I'm thoroughly confuzzled.

heya
12-13-2003, 03:13 AM
Of course, dwelling on things he can't control does hurt him, but
playing with no intensity won't help either.
I laughed when he said he got angry and beat Coria,
and lost at DC because he thought being calm
like during the summer was good.

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 03:14 AM
Naldo I tried to send you a PM - you don't accept them? how can I reach you to ask you a question lol

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 03:16 AM
Of course, dwelling on things he can't control does hurt him, but
playing with no intensity won't help either.
I laughed when he said he got angry and beat Coria,
and lost at DC because he thought being calm
like during the summer was good.

If he really beat Coria b/c the anger helped him turn it up and win 4 straight games and play his best 4 games of tennis SINCE the USO pretty much, then that's great, that means he's moving in the right direction and doing exactly what i've been talking about (using the anger to motivate him to play well instead of distract him)

he lost the DC match because he was passive, not because he was calm...HUGE difference there. He was letting the crowd get to him and dictate his rhythm. He didn't let that happen during the second match, and you could tell the difference it made. He played at HIS pace, not theirs.

tangerine_dream
12-13-2003, 03:37 AM
he lost the DC match because he was passive, not because he was calm...HUGE difference there. He was letting the crowd get to him and dictate his rhythm. He didn't let that happen during the second match, and you could tell the difference it made. He played at HIS pace, not theirs.

I agree. The other guy (forgot his name) dominated the match from game one. Andy wasn't his usual "uppity" self and he got creamed. And we all just *know* that he and Brad and the others talked about what went wrong afterwards and how he could change the game next time. Sure enough, going into his second match Andy was back to being Andy: aggressive, pissy, dominating. And he won. :angel:

heya
12-13-2003, 03:37 AM
It's kind of hard to ignore the problems he's facing
when they keep happening. I'm not gonna say he'll
have a a good year since it's still uncertain what he
added to his game.

I'm in a bad mood probably because GM pisses me off LOL...excuse my negativity

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 03:39 AM
the uncertainty goes both ways. I guess it's the is the glass half empty or half full story.... I see it as - we don't know what will happen and therefore have no reason to believe he won't come out and play awesome and be refreshed and back to 100% and you seem to be saying the opposite.

If GM is affecting your mood that much so that you're looking upon Andy negatively, maybe you should stay away from GM? I did that for a little while and it really helped.

Also, no one is ignoring Andy's problems/weaknesses. We just all see different causes for them, which translate to having different opinions on them and it also changes the way we look at the future.

I feel like a broken record :o

heya
12-13-2003, 03:40 AM
YES, he needs to snarl and fight more.

Havok
12-13-2003, 03:42 AM
Naldo I tried to send you a PM - you don't accept them? how can I reach you to ask you a question lol
oops sorry im on it

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 03:44 AM
Sure enough, going into his second match Andy was back to being Andy: aggressive, pissy, dominating. And he won. :angel:

but still cool, calm, level-headed, and confident :)

tangerine_dream
12-13-2003, 03:50 AM
but still cool, calm, level-headed, and confident :)

Yes, that too. You can be angry yet calm. :angel:

I've noticed that the one thing that pisses Andy off the most that he has a real hard time shaking off is when a chair umpire overrules a linecall. When that happens, as it did during the Moya match, he just goes apeshit. Then he ends up losing several games before he regains composure.

It'll be interesting to see how he handles such calls like that next year. I'm sure that's one of the things Brad is working with him on.

MisterQ
12-13-2003, 03:53 AM
How to handle his strong emotional, spontaneous side ---- that is a question that Andy will be dealing with his entire life. He will slowly but surely figure out when getting pumped up or vocal will boost his circumstances, and when it will just waste energy and concentration.

John McEnroe had this issue most famously. He is one of the few players who got raving MAD, threw a tantrum, and then usually played BETTER! lol But most players don't work this way, and a few deep breaths and a look at your strings can be the best idea.

Interestingly, McEnroe was known as a superbrat, but when he faced Bjorn Borg in those two Wimbledon finals, he was extremely contained and acted with great decorum. I think he had too much respect for Borg, that's what it was. He could make a scene against anyone else, but not Borg. He talks about that stuff in his book. I wonder if there is a rival like that for Andy, someone who he respect too much to misbehave. Federer, maybe? Or Agassi.

Jimmy Connors used to create embarassing, even downright offensive scenes. But he's one of the great players. It worked for him.

In contrast, Borg was like ice. He wouldn't let a single emotion show, and THAT unnerved his opponents, like he wasn't human! Sampras was like this too sometimes.

Agassi used to rant and rave, but over the years he has become much more controlled, almost TOO much sometimes! I LOVED it when he got pissed off when he was losing in the second set of the Masters Cup match against Ferrero this year, BROKE his racquet, and then promptly turned the whole match around.
We haven't seen that in a while. It rocked.

Andy is someone who will not naturally be "cool" like the "ice cold" Borg. He will have to figure out the best way to harness his own temperment. I think he is already starting to figure it out (huge improvement over 2002!), but the "finished product" will take time.

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 03:57 AM
Yes, that too. You can be angry yet calm. :angel:

I've noticed that the one thing that pisses Andy off the most that he has a real hard time shaking off is when a chair umpire overrules a linecall. When that happens, as it did during the Moya match, he just goes apeshit. Then he ends up losing several games before he regains composure.

It'll be interesting to see how he handles such calls like that next year. I'm sure that's one of the things Brad is working with him on.


Yep definitely. The Moya match is the perfect example of how bad Andy deals with getting angry right now lol. But yes he is already improving a lot and I'm confident he'll keep doing so!

and MisterQ..... AMEN!

tangerine_dream
12-13-2003, 03:57 AM
Agassi used to rant and rave, but over the years he has become much more controlled, almost TOO much sometimes! I LOVED it when he got pissed off when he was losing in the second set of the Masters Cup match against Ferrero this year, BROKE his racquet, and then promptly turned the whole match around.
We haven't seen that in a while. It rocked.

YES!! Wasn't that awesome? It was kinda shocking to see him get mad like that but it worked very well for him! Andre :worship:

Andy is someone who will not naturally be "cool" like the "ice cold" Borg. He will have to figure out the best way to harness his own temperment. I think he is already starting to figure it out (huge improvement over 2002!), but the "finished product" will take time.

Agreed again, MisterQ. :worship:

But I'm secretly hoping that Andy doesn't completely lose his fire. It's what made me a fan of his to begin with. :D

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 04:06 AM
But I'm secretly hoping that Andy doesn't completely lose his fire. It's what made me a fan of his to begin with. :D

He won't, for no other reason than he can't... I'm sure as he grows up, he'll change and mature anyway, just as all of us do at this age. And it's just all about him learning how to funnel the fire in a different, more positive way :) 3rd set of the Coria match is a great example and hopefully it's a harbinger of things to come!

MisterQ
12-13-2003, 04:06 AM
But I'm secretly hoping that Andy doesn't completely lose his fire. It's what made me a fan of his to begin with. :D

Yeah, me too! That's part of what makes him entertaining.

J. Corwin
12-13-2003, 07:03 AM
Oh I loved it when Andre smashed the racket against his foot too! I was like...go Andre! lmao
I haven't seen him do that before really, so that was fun and amusing for me.

And I like Andy for his fire and determination too. It's what got me into him.

J. Corwin
12-13-2003, 07:06 AM
As for Andy being up a break 3-0 and then losing the match.... what match was this? and how did I miss it? If it was on clay then it was the DC match, that's the only match on clay he played after the USO... now I'm thoroughly confuzzled.

Masters Cup Round Robin against Rainer, if I remember correctly. When was I talking about DC??

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 02:37 PM
Masters Cup Round Robin against Rainer, if I remember correctly. When was I talking about DC??

You didn't.... Naldo did


and heya yourcelebrating a break, then getting broken and losing in a tb for Andy happend on clay, which is his worst surface, and happend after the US Open.

The only match he played on clay was DC and I don't remember him being up a break but whatever, I didn't pay good enough attention to that match since I'd already known he lost lol

As for the Schuettler match.... I didn't know he was up 3-0 in the last set and then lost :o I don't even wanna know what happened :mad:

MisterQ
12-13-2003, 05:56 PM
from Andre's interview after smashing that racquet:

Q. Do you remember, when was the last time you had broken a racquet like that on the court?
ANDRE AGASSI: It was on my foot; it wasn't on the court. I have a lot of respect for that court. That court cost $10 million (laughter).
It was in practice, I think, a few days ago (laughter).
No, I don't remember. It has happened. In Washington it happened once. I mean, I have the ability to self-inflict. I hit the racquet on myself without thinking twice sometimes, which isn't good.

J. Corwin
12-13-2003, 08:03 PM
I remember reading that interview. He never fails to be a showman.

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 09:06 PM
gotta love Andre... and he knows how to use the anger to pump himself up!

Havok
12-13-2003, 09:15 PM
i think Andy'll come around in this department. he knows how to get fired up, he's learned how to be calm, cool, and collective, and now he has to learn how to put them all together. he'll manage:yeah:

Deboogle!.
12-13-2003, 11:18 PM
yes I think he will too, if because of nothing else than getting older and more mature!

J. Corwin
12-14-2003, 01:35 AM
Mental maturity does not necessarily grow with age.

Deboogle!.
12-14-2003, 01:56 AM
no but for him, it seems to be.

tangerine_dream
12-15-2003, 05:01 PM
I never made my own predictions, did I? :p

For the AO, I think Andy will make it to the semis (he plays so well there and he feeds off the crowd) but Agassi will be guy to beat. He practically owns the AO and when Agassi plays like a Zen master (as Barbra Streisand once said---oh, gawd, remember those days??), he's impossible to beat.

For Wimbledon, I can see him in the QFs but I don't see him winning the title just yet.

The French Open will be his biggest test. If he actually makes it to the QFs or semis he will have done incredibly well, considering he hasn't even made it past the first round the last few years. Unfortunately, Brad Gilbert's head will swell even bigger if that happens. :rolleyes:

I'm thinking that Andy will dominate the US Open, but I can't quite figure out if he's the kind of player who's complacent with his wins, or craves winning more. (in other words, is he greedy like Pete Sampras in that he wants to win as many titles as possible? Or is he more like, Hey I won the US Open last year, there's no need for me to win it again so soon. ....?)

But by this time next year, Marat Safin and Taylor Dent will have crashed out with injuries so he won't have to worry about either one of them. It's his home turf, on his favorite surface, with a decidedly pro-Andy crowd. If he doesn't make it to the semis, it would be shocking.

In any case, I can't wait to see how Andy has changed or improved his game next year. :yeah:

andylover_16
12-15-2003, 05:24 PM
hello:bigwave:..how is everyone..i have missed you all:sad:

Deboogle!.
12-15-2003, 05:30 PM
Sam..... stop getting put on restriction!!

and tangerine, interesting analysis. If Andy keeps improving at the net, he will be really dangerous on grass!

The thing with Andy and how he'll do in these tourneys, and I know this sounds sorta esoteric yet at the same time self-evident, it will depend on the draws. There are certain people that Andy has a bigger problem with than others.

For example if Agassi is in his half of the AO draw or Henman in his half of the FO draw or Schuettler in his half of anything lol... this will make a huge difference, I think

As for Andy being hungry..... I think he is. I don't think he'll get complacent, at least goodness I would HOPE not!!!!

star
12-15-2003, 05:32 PM
hello:bigwave:..how is everyone..i have missed you all:sad:

:hug:

heya
12-15-2003, 07:11 PM
http://www.tennis-x.com/story/2003-12-15/c.php

I know what you mean about Brad, tangerine

Pat Mc wets himself when he compares
Fed to Sampras and continually bites his tongue off
yapping about Andy

heya
12-15-2003, 07:12 PM
That's why it's hilarious to see Andy beat Pat in doubles

heya
12-15-2003, 07:14 PM
Brad claimed that Safin wasn't really injured. LOL

Deboogle!.
12-15-2003, 07:16 PM
I dunno.... say what you want about Brad but the look on his face when Andy won the USO was very much an "I am so fucking proud of that kid" look...

heya
12-15-2003, 10:12 PM
During USO semi, he told a commentator that he
was very disappointed in Andy. I mean, Brad couldn't wait till the match was over to say that.
Then, Andy won the whole thing, woooo :D

Deboogle!.
12-15-2003, 10:14 PM
I saw that match and don't remember that. Why would the commentators talk to brad in the MIDDLE of the match?

Wait, I have it on DVD now... I'll watch for that when I watch the match (dunno when that'll be)

J. Corwin
12-15-2003, 10:17 PM
Brad spoke too soon. ;)
Pam was giddy that she retrieved that comment from him. (or was it Mary?).
Meh...

Deboogle!.
12-15-2003, 10:19 PM
really? geez... I thought coaches were supposed to give positive reinforcement? He shouldn't have been talking to a commentator during a match.

But I still like him and you can't deny what he's done for Andy!

J. Corwin
12-15-2003, 10:23 PM
For sure. He's still a great coach for Andy for sure (not trying to sound like Justine here ;)).

I agree that comment was unwarranted however. JMac and Mary were saying how that comment was surprising to them. Of course they started to agree a lil bit as Andy progressively dug himself a bigger hole.

Havok
12-15-2003, 10:30 PM
:haha: not trying to sound like Justine for sure! it was Pamela Shriver who went to interview Brad. well not interview, just get a word or two about the match. and Brad was right anyways, for the first 2 1/2 sets, Andy wasn't in a good frame of mind, but then he changed it and ended up winning:yeah:

heya
12-15-2003, 10:57 PM
FOR SURE, Brad can look like a fool, like calling
Federer a headcase on TV.

heya
12-15-2003, 11:05 PM
*makes it more painful everytime his anguished face is on camera during Andy's losses. :P*

Deboogle!.
12-15-2003, 11:17 PM
uh..... Federer IS a headcase, at least sometimes lol

I guess I like Brad b/c he's like me, we say what we think when we think it. Unfortunately what he says gets put on tv and what I say does not lol

heya
12-16-2003, 12:06 AM
Well, I'm not a Fed fan, but Brad, don't embarrass
Andy.
Andy can get ticked off...we know what happened to Tarik!!!!!! nyuk nyuk nyuk

Deboogle!.
12-16-2003, 12:50 AM
well he can't control what Brad says just as much as he couldn't control what Tarik said. Andy never says anything bad about anyone and that's all he can do - he can't control his coaches.

Havok
12-16-2003, 01:30 AM
um Heya, Federer is one of the best headcases out there. if he wasnt such a headcase, he would be winning soooo much, and he would have good results in the big events. and why are we ragging on Gilbert for. hes arguably the best coach out there. lets get back to the topic please.

heya
12-16-2003, 02:09 AM
We're getting to the topic.
Have other threads
been on topic much? :p

Andy could be a headcase at times.
He did lose leads vs. players he'd beaten before &
let opponents come back to beat him during clay court early rds., Nasdaq 3rd rd. and Legg Mason semi, for example.
Practicing with a good
partner might help--do they have grass/clay courts
where Andy lives?

heya
12-16-2003, 02:31 AM
Last year, Andy didn't do much. Pretty much, haters wrote him off.

He had some injuries in '01-'02, played with
no scouting and subpar fitness.
His serve was fast but not as effective as it is now...
he wins with a balanced, overall game.
Andy became more mature with an improved game plan. Starting with AO quarters, I was impressed
and knew he'd go up the ranking.

Deboogle!.
12-16-2003, 02:46 AM
I doubt Andy's practicing on particular surfaces.. but maybe some clay if he's really serious about doing better - isn't there only red clay one place in the country? LOL

We've had this discussion before but my opinion hasn't changed. Andy is not a headcase. Yes he's lost after having a lead or a match point or whatever but EVERY player has done that. in an individual (and many team sports too!) sport, that is inevitable. But Andy is not known for doing it and he is neither a choker nor a headcase.

As for practicing, well he practiced with Vahaly at least for a few days it sounds like, and I'm sure Brad found good hitting partners, that always happens.

I'm used to be the worrier, and now I'm telling people not to worry lol....

Havok
12-16-2003, 03:05 AM
i taged headcase to Federer because other than 4 big tournaments (Wimbledon, Masters Cup, Montreal, the clay event forgot which one), he hasn't shown up anywhere else. and to be a headcase i think you have to lose MAJOR leads, which is something Andy has yet to do, i think. like serving for the match and losing the match. has Andy ever done that? im not just talking about having matchpoint on the other dude's serve, but actually serving for matches.

J. Corwin
12-16-2003, 03:13 AM
I can't recall that at the moment, Naldo. But I'm sure he's done that at least once in his career. Every player would have. That does not make him a choker of course.

Deboogle!.
12-16-2003, 03:20 AM
I can't recall that at the moment, Naldo. But I'm sure he's done that at least once in his career. Every player would have. That does not make him a choker of course.

Right....and the other important thing is that he doesn't do it in big important moments, which is a good sign of a choker. Andy tends to deal with pressure pretty well. It's highly uncommon that Andy has trouble serving out a set/match, I mean sure it happens and it happens to everyone but far too randomly and seldomly that would lead me to believe Andy is a headcase or a choker. Hell, even a lot of the haters admit that he's among the mentally strongest of the guys at the top.

heya
12-16-2003, 05:12 AM
FO 02
6-4 6-7(14) 6-4 5-7 3-6
lost 2nd set, serving for it

Stuttgart 01 3-6 7-6(6) 6-7(5)
Basel 01 6-3 3-6 6-7(5)

He hasn't played many years to know.
Andy did choke some matches away, but
that doesn't mean I label him a "choker."

Maybe Fed lost some events cuz he got outplayed...vs. better clay players than he is,
and rebound ace, other hardcourts aren't his favorites

Deboogle!.
12-16-2003, 05:30 AM
So that's 3 matches.... and it's not like Andy was up 2-0 sets serving for the match and lost that's what a choke is.. like what Federer did at Davis Cup.

Whatever, it's not worth arguing about. Andy's not a choker and i'm confident he won't start turning into one. We can sit here and pick apart the few matches Andy should've won and didn't, but there are many more matches that Andy probably should've lost and ended up winning (I can name about 5 right off the top of my head without even thinking about it)... so whatever.

J. Corwin
12-16-2003, 09:07 AM
Well at least Heya agrees that Andy isn't a choker.

heya
12-16-2003, 09:59 AM
Just because I'm in the mood to type doesn't mean
I'm asking for a debate. An argument is like the
one between bunk & GeorgeWhitler. I didn't agree
with some things that were said, but I didn't go in
to say, "Enough!"

Anyone of us
could be wrong about something.
Some opinions
don't need to lead to changing others' minds.
It could be a casual remark, but then someone
takes that as the start of a debate.
I'm not nitpicking matches just because I typed
some info.
I thought you can casually post whatever.
Someone can't stand it- fine. Don't assume that I think Andy's
going to choke.
I'm not concerned about him...there's more important things to worry about.

Words are only pixels on the screen, right, jackson? :p

heya
12-16-2003, 10:03 AM
Don't take what I said the wrong way. I understand
what you've said. I just like to post a lot. :)

J. Corwin
12-16-2003, 10:20 AM
Yep, you got that right. :) Only pixels on the screen.

Havok
12-16-2003, 07:51 PM
well imo, a choker is when you lose big leads, lose matches when serving for them in BIG events. so far i don't think Andy has done that. the FO 2002 serving for the 2nd set ok, but even at that it was only serving for a set, not secesarily for the match.

J. Corwin
12-20-2003, 10:50 AM
I can't think of any of the top of my head, but I'm sure that Andy has lost a match before while serving for the match.

Havok
12-20-2003, 05:40 PM
but Jace i dont think it was in a BIG match was it?

Deboogle!.
12-20-2003, 06:06 PM
I'm sure every player has done it... they're only humans.

J. Corwin
12-20-2003, 11:18 PM
Depends on what you define as "BIG" match. If you only mean slams, then it's easy to think back and figure out if Andy's choked any of them away, as he only has played relatively few slams so far (13).

Havok
12-21-2003, 02:56 AM
well big matches= slams, TMS events, and semis/finals of smaller events

J. Corwin
12-21-2003, 09:00 AM
Yea, that's what I thought, lol. I'm pretty sure he has "choked" before. He isn't a choker though, that's for sure

Havok
12-21-2003, 05:32 PM
oh, ok then. wel no "choked" matches are really popping up in my head, which signifies he isn't a choker, since you can name at least one match if someone is a real choker

J. Corwin
12-21-2003, 08:14 PM
Well "choking" is subjective. To someone else, choking may be losing a match after leading 5-2 in a set (which Andy has done before).

Again, I'm not saying Andy is a choker...far from it.

heya
12-21-2003, 10:16 PM
Let's say: Andy leads 6-4 6-3 5-3, then loses the match--
IMO if he's healthy/not very tired, he doesn't deserve to win it because it's
stupid to lose a 2 set, break lead

For me, a choke is when he's playing well, but then he takes it for granted, up 5-2, 40-15,
then loses within an hour.
Maybe higher expectations by others and by himself are needed. Andyway, I'm not saying anymore.

Deboogle!.
12-21-2003, 10:27 PM
yes heya, I agree, if someone is leading 2 sets and a break and they lose, that is most likely a choke. HOWEVER, one choke here and there does not make someone a chokER, as in, they are know for doing it like Gaudio, Federer, Clijsters, JCap, etc. HUGE Difference. I think you'd be real hard-pressed to find someone on the tour who HASN'T choked at least once in a while. If Andy chokes once or twice a year, that doesn't mean he's a choker - it means he's a human.

heya
01-01-2005, 11:25 PM
How many slams do you think he'll win now? Just curious.

Deboogle!.
01-01-2005, 11:29 PM
the way he played 2004. 1. The way I know he's capable of playing...4 or 5.

Thanks for bumping this, heya!

AO- at least the quarters, i predict another semis showing
RG- at least 4th round, possible quarters i think
Wimbledon- at least the second week, possible finals/winner i say:eek:
US- it's a given at least quarters, i think semis but might defend as well
Blake- will NOT beat Andy
Fish- will NOT beat Andy, but take sets off him here and there
150 mph serve- HELL YEAH:rocker2: as MisterQ said, just switch racquets when you're really up and smakc the SHIT out of the ball to take the record away from horseface
TMS- at least one, i think 2 again ( bold prediction, he'll win one of the really big ones Miami or IW)
i predict 4-5 titles next year:banana:

Not Too Shabby. :rocker2:

Golfnduck
01-01-2005, 11:33 PM
Very good predictions!!

heya
01-01-2005, 11:39 PM
With Tarik and Brad, he'd have no more slams. We've seen the bad fitness, excessive speed and bad topspin that caused him to lose when he shouldn't have.
With slower serves, technical changes, weight loss, discipline and time to practice/play a lot, he'll have 6-10.

Deboogle!.
01-01-2005, 11:40 PM
so, do you think he will do all of those things to make that possible?

heya
01-02-2005, 01:03 AM
I would love for him to win at least 7 titles including Olympics,
but his poor form lately, little practice and progress on
all surfaces will slow him down.

Probably 1-3 titles, no slams if he continues
to have an "I'm inferior, so I'll desperately do low percentage shots" attitude in the middle of matches.
It'll be worse if people won't let him rest but make him believe that he has to do
a lot on/off court or else he's a failure.

If he concentrates and improves, he'll win at least 4-5 titles
AO semis+
FO quarters+
W sem+
USO sem+
Masters Cup Champ
I was pretty close because he barely won Miami and RCA.
I knew he wouldn't take care of his body (was tired and gained pizza weight).
He was lazy with the serves in matches, injured himself + did a bunch of exhibitions at the wrong times. *trying to forget this year's 6-0, 6-2 sets

I REALLY want him to be aware of his talent, and he should stop saying
(no one else seems to have a clue) that he's just a BALL-BASHER.
I can't believe how many things he avoided doing in practice.
All the great players adapted to their environments.
He + Goldfine should know about his problems by now.

His career's success comes from changing now, not in 1 year.
Why were a lot of people so satisfied with Andy's bad coaching and poor ATP scheduling?