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Federer fires coach Lundgren

Aleta4
12-09-2003, 01:33 PM
according to the Neuer Züricher Zeitung and Eurosport.

Roger Federer trennt sich von Coach Lundgren
Eine Disposition, die völlig überrascht
Mutation an der Spitze des Welttennis: Der Schweizer Weltmeister Roger Federer hat sich von seinem schwedischen Coach und Copain Peter Lundgren per sofort getrennt. Wer ab 2004 im Circuit im Januar in Australien den Wimbledongewinner betreuen wird, bleibt offen.




Peter Lundgren - von Federer überraschend entlassen
(Bild foto-net)
Von Jürg Vogel

In Houston (Texas) erspielte Professional Roger Federer vor drei Wochen in royaler Art erstmals den WM-Titel, ohne Niederlage und ohne jeden Makel. «Als Michelangelo des Tennis» etikettiert das Tennis-Magazin «Smash» den Basler in seiner Dezember-Edition. Der im Ranking hinter Andy Roddick als zweitbester Racket- Artist geführte Basler traf abseits des Courts eine der bisher schwierigeren Entscheidungen seiner Karriere. Er trennt sich nach vier Jahren Zusammenarbeit vom schwedischen Coach Peter Lundgren - und zwar per sofort. Für die neue Saison 2004, die im Januar in Melbourne beginnt, wird eine neue Lösung gesucht.

Eine offizielle Verlautbarung für die Mutation liegt nicht vor. Der Weltmeister selber trat am Montagabend, drei Tage nach der Rückkehr aus seinem Urlaub auf Mauritius, im Rahmen eines Benefizanlasses in der Genfer Arena auf, unter anderem mit Marat Safin, Yannick Noah und Pop-Musiker Phil Collins. Möglichkeiten zur Vernehmlassung liess der vom engen Zeitplan gepeinigte Federer verstreichen. Vom Management hielt sich Vater Robert Federer, mit Frau Lynette erst aus den Ferien in Südafrika zurückgekehrt, diplomatisch zurück. Er bezeichnete den Zeitpunkt für jede Kommentierung als «nicht geeignet». Im schwedischen Domizil, dem Ferien-Flecken Honnibostrand, zeigte der betroffene Trainer Peter Lundgren nach dem Verlust seines lukrativen Arbeitsplatzes Format. Im Hinblick auf Abgangsmodalitäten im Zeichen gegenseitigen Respekts verzichtete er auf jegliche Erklärungen, ergänzt mit pauschalem Dank-Memo an die kontinuierliche Fairness der Schweizer Medien im Circuit.

Die Welt des Berufssports ist mitunter eine, die verwirrt - auch in diesem Fall. Federer erzielte in den letzten Jahren Fortschritte beinahe im Taktfahrplan. Der Weltmeister hat in der nächsten Saison die reelle Chance, eher früher als später die erste Position im Computer-Ranking zu erklimmen. Im Advent liegt der Basler noch 160 Punkte hinter dem führenden Amerikaner Roddick zurück. Mit Blick auf die sportlichen «Facts und Figures» besteht also kaum akuter Handlungsbedarf im Umfeld. Am Masters Cup in Texas trat das Duo Federer/Lundgren standesgemäss als kompakte Zweckgemeinschaft auf, obwohl der Weltmeister aus Europa körperlich und mental in stumpfem Zustand angereist war. Der schwedische Coach, der den Arbeitgeber in der nicht immer leichten Phase vom juvenilen Talent zum gestandenen Berufsmann während vieler Sessionen am Game-Boy begleitete, dürfte in Texas den späteren Verlauf der Dinge kaum vorausgesehen haben.

Terminator Federer dagegen, bezüglich mentaler Exekution seit je mit sturem «Grind» und Mut ausgestattet (zum Beispiel offener Widerspruch gegen den Schweizer Gessler Jakob Hlasek im Davis-Cup), traf die Entscheidung nicht ohne gebührende, wochenlange Reflexion. Den Verkehr mit Lundgren hat er nicht mehr als persönliche «Komfort-Zone» empfunden, welche den Basler in die mittelfristige Zukunft hätte tragen können. Dabei gilt im Tennis die bewährte Praxis, dass Stars ihre Mentoren nur gezielt und eher zögerlich auswechseln, keinesfalls beinahe im Rhythmus des täglichen Hemdenwechsels wie im Fussball oder Eishockey. Federers Entscheid haben Faktoren der Abnützung und der sportlichen Perspektive in der Instruktion mitgeprägt.

Ebenso spielte die erste Dame am Federer-Hof, Mirka Vavrinec, eine Rolle. Die frühere Spitzenspielerin, Herrin über die überquellende Agenda des Stars, suchte seit dem US Open nicht mehr in allen Belangen des Alltags den Konsens mit Lundgren. Vavrinec verspürt im Übrigen, wie andere Exponenten im Clan auch, den stählernen Druck der Branche. Dabei gilt die Netzwerkarbeit des persönlich so zugänglichen Wimbledon-Gewinners absolut als steigerungsfähig. Basler Szenekenner bezeichnen Federers Programm abseits des Courts gar unverhohlen als überladen.

Wie geht die Reise im Tennis-Universum weiter? Federer sucht die Übergangslösung, die dem Programm (Exhibitions im Januar in Hongkong, Melbourne, Australian Open, Davis-Cup Anfang Februar in Rumänien) Rechnung trägt. Für Teilzeitlösungen kämen der Schweizer Davis-Cup- Captain Marc Rosset oder Allrounder Severin Lüthi in Frage. Letzterer trennte sich im Herbst von Swiss Tennis in gutem Einvernehmen. Da nun mal die heimische Scholle Federers Management prägt, wird die Familie die internationale Perspektive im Auge behalten und sich kaum verleiten lassen, billige Dukaten zu verschenken.

http://www.nzz.ch/2003/12/09/sp/page-newzzDNZI0BLM-12.html

No reason has been given and he hasn't got a new coach.

Havok
12-09-2003, 01:37 PM
:eek::eek::eek:
um english please:) and he should get a coach that will work with that damn head of his. i'm really shocked by this, but maybe Federer finally realized he needed a coach to work with his psych problems, because he doesn't really have any problems with his game

star
12-09-2003, 01:41 PM
hmmmmm Ebenso spielte die erste Dame am Federer-Hof, Mirka Vavrinec, eine Rolle.

Perhaps she has more steel than does Rogi?

Well, Good luck, Rogi! It worked for Andy.

star
12-09-2003, 01:43 PM
:eek::eek::eek:
um english please:) and he should get a coach that will work with that damn head of his. i'm really shocked by this, but maybe Federer finally realized he needed a coach to work with his psych problems, because he doesn't really have any problems with his game

I always wondered about Lundgren.

But you know people have wondered about Lari too. But, Guga has been remarkably faithful to him through thick and thin.

star
12-09-2003, 01:44 PM
And Aleta! :bigclap:

jtipson
12-09-2003, 01:48 PM
Not sure that this is a such a great idea, actually. Peter has been a fab coach for Roger. Hope it doesn't backfire on him as it did for Lleyton before Wimbledon.

Still there's supposed to be a press conference this afternoon, so we may find out why he made the decision.

star
12-09-2003, 01:51 PM
Who's giving the press conference....... I thought Rogi was off with Mirka to Mauritius.

beckermeister
12-09-2003, 01:54 PM
shocking to say the least if correct :eek:

jtipson
12-09-2003, 01:55 PM
They got back at the end of last week. (Roger was playing charity matches last night in Geneva.)
Have no details about the press conference, although I read it was at 5pm (so about an hour to go).

Shadow
12-09-2003, 01:56 PM
:eek: :eek: never would have thought that

Dirk
12-09-2003, 01:57 PM
Mirka did nothing as an player so for her to have any say in Peter's role is absurd. He is an huge reason why she is able to sponge off of Roger. Roger's head is not bad, just inconsistent and that is something that only he the player can fix the coach cannot. Peter has done incredible by Federer and I hope this won't hurt him next year.

star
12-09-2003, 02:01 PM
They got back at the end of last week. (Roger was playing charity matches last night in Geneva.)
Have no details about the press conference, although I read it was at 5pm (so about an hour to go).


Oh.... I didn't read that right. :)

Thanks for the news on the p.c.

WyverN
12-09-2003, 02:04 PM
Is this 100% confirmed?? I am shocked as I personally thought Peter was doing great things for Roger.

Houston is the reason this would be very surprising as you don't fire a coach after playing so well.

I knew things would backfire though, Mirka is his publicists and you don't put girlfriends/parents into official positions close to the player as it almost always backfires and I wouldn't be surprised if Mirka talked Roger into this.

star
12-09-2003, 02:08 PM
Well, maybe Mirka merely gave Roger the backbone to take action over his dissatisfaction. Lots of mild mannered men like to have strong women who give them strength.

I'm not saying this is the way it is, but sometimes it is the woman who gets the blame unfairly.

WyverN
12-09-2003, 02:09 PM
Well it is on the official site so it must be true.
Unless there has been some conflict I don't see the lgoic behind this. They have been together for years and Roger fires him the year that he achieves some very significant breakthroughs?

Very confusing.

Dirk
12-09-2003, 02:11 PM
I don't think its the parents doing. I am sure they appreciate greatly what Peter has done with Roger and realize that he is half the reason Roger is where he is. Parents have some right to be involved in the business side since its their kid and they don't want someone to harm him, but the girlfriend??????? :eek:

As The Rock would say (Rogi's favorite WWE Star) KNOW YOUR ROLE AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH.


Peter has been with him through thick and thin and had so many bigger plans for his game. He was full of ideas after the Cup. A real shame :sad:

WyverN
12-09-2003, 02:14 PM
Peter has been with him through thick and thin and had so many bigger plans for his game. He was full of ideas after the Cup. A real shame :sad:

I agree, this could not have been a mutual decision or Roger being dissatisfied with how he is progressing (played so well in Houston) so it must have been a conflict.

star
12-09-2003, 02:16 PM
Rogi has been making a lot of changes over a period of time. He got rid of his management company and gave the functions to his relatives and girlfriend. Maybe this is just moving more along that continum.

They all seemed like such a happy unit back in Wimbledon -- living in the same house -- Mirka cooking.

But this just shows that no matter how much we think we know about these players, we haven't really a clue.

Dirk
12-09-2003, 02:19 PM
7 titles this year and the number 2 ranking and Roger is upset with Peter. Roger has nobody to blame but himself for his Open and Oz losses to David and his Rome gift to Felix and his Montreal gift to Andy but himself.

WyverN
12-09-2003, 02:20 PM
Rogi has been making a lot of changes over a period of time. He got rid of his management company and gave the functions to his relatives and girlfriend. Maybe this is just moving more along that continum.

I suppose the next step is appointing Mirka as coach lol

Dirk
12-09-2003, 02:27 PM
I read Rosset is up for the job. If Roger ends up flushing his career down the toliet over an girl it would be not even sad. I wouldn't be able to get pass the word stupid.

Deboogle!.
12-09-2003, 02:30 PM
Wow some of you people are pretty sexist

WyverN
12-09-2003, 02:32 PM
Wow some of you people are pretty sexist

It has got nothing to do with sex, if his brother was responsible I would criticise him as well

Havok
12-09-2003, 02:32 PM
7 titles this year and the number 2 ranking and Roger is upset with Peter. Roger has nobody to blame but himself for his Open and Oz losses to David and his Rome gift to Felix and his Montreal gift to Andy but himself.here we go with the so-called ``gifts``again:rolleyes:

Dirk
12-09-2003, 02:35 PM
4 double faults and 17 unforced errors, what do you call it? Did you even see that match? Your just jealous that Roger can make tennis art and Andy could never do that on his best day. Funny you andy fans all seem to imply that Andy gifted Roger an match in Houston. What about the other 4 times???????????

WyverN
12-09-2003, 02:35 PM
I read Rosset is up for the job.

That would be a bad choice, he is a party animal and wouldn't be a very good coach imo. Plus he was courtside next to Federer in DC v Hewitt and couldn't talk sense into Roger.

Dirk
12-09-2003, 02:38 PM
Tony Roche.......please????

It is so sad. Peter coaches Rios, gets fired, now with Roger. I just hope for the best but I am expecting the worst out of this split.

Havok
12-09-2003, 02:48 PM
4 double faults and 17 unforced errors, what do you call it? Did you even see that match? Your just jealous that Roger can make tennis art and Andy could never do that on his best day. Funny you andy fans all seem to imply that Andy gifted Roger an match in Houston. What about the other 4 times???????????
again PLEASE show me where we didn`t give credit to Roger, and said Andy handed that match over to him. and it`s YOU who keeps on giving excuses about Federer`s loses. and you even broguht in 3 more matches to put under your precious rule of thumb

WyverN
12-09-2003, 02:55 PM
again PLEASE show me where we didn`t give credit to Roger, and said Andy handed that match over to him.

Maybe because it has never happened :rolleyes:

Draper handed a match to Federer at Cinci and Verkerk handed a match to Roger in Paris.

As for Roger v Andy - roger has outplayed him all 6 times they have played, Montreal was a choke whichever way you look at it.

Deboogle!.
12-09-2003, 03:05 PM
Naldo hun it's not worth it.

Havok
12-09-2003, 03:07 PM
yup i know:rocker2:

Lynne
12-09-2003, 03:09 PM
This piece of news really brought me, and I'm sure mostly everybody, by surprise! Federer's splitting up with his coach? I think Lundgren really coached Federer into a more matured player. Anyways, I hope this splitting up won't affect Federer in a bad way....

yanchr
12-09-2003, 03:14 PM
NONONONONO........

Roger,you should know clearly what you are doing!!!
Don't ever get yourself pissed off...

I'm confused...
I'm not sure...
I'm sad...

Deboogle!.
12-09-2003, 03:16 PM
how long had Peter been his coach for?

jtipson
12-09-2003, 03:19 PM
3 years officially, but they had been working together since 1998.

star
12-09-2003, 03:21 PM
Cute picture except that Rogi looks like he is wearing a skirt. Shorter shorts, please. Now, that's where Mirka needs to exert her influence. ;)

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20031208/capt.fra12312082123.switzerland_tennis_fra123.jpg

Deboogle!.
12-09-2003, 03:23 PM
3 years officially, but they had been working together since 1998.

Oh ok that's what I thought, that it'd been a really long time. thanks



Well maybe he just felt like he needed a fresh opinion... hopefully for his sake he made the right decision, and it does seem odd to fire him after finishing so strongly, but since we don't know what's going on we can't really judge any more than that I don't think :shrug:

FedFan
12-09-2003, 03:25 PM
Roger, what are you?????? doing. I always thought you were a loyal man. I am sad for Peter. I am sad for Roger. :-((

MisterQ
12-09-2003, 03:31 PM
I am very surprised by this news! Don't know what to think about it yet. Surely we will find out more of Roger's rationale in days to come.

heya
12-09-2003, 03:40 PM
....

jtipson
12-09-2003, 03:56 PM
Is that morse code?

TennisLurker
12-09-2003, 03:56 PM
Probably Roger said, now that I ve defeated Nalbandian, I no longer need you!!!

MWAHAHAHA!!!

star
12-09-2003, 04:08 PM
Darum trennt sich Federer von Lundgren

BOTTMINGEN – Weltmeister Roger Federer hat seine Zusammenarbeit mit Coach Peter Lundgren beendet. Nach vier Jahren wurden die Abnützungserscheinungen zu gross.

Die NZZ berichtete in ihrer heutigen Ausgabe von der Trennung. Darauf wurde auf 17 Uhr eine Pressekonferenz einberufen.

Roger Federer: «Ich habe mich nach dem Masters-Sieg in Houston entschieden. Es war ein langer Prozess und nicht einfach, Lundgren das mitzuteilen. Aber ich brauche eine neue Herausfoderung mit einem neuen Trainer.»

Nach seinem Triumphzug in Houston vor drei Wochen (fünf Siege in Serie gegen Topten-Spieler) erfuhr es der Schwede. Roger: «Er war sehr enttäuscht. Eigentlich wollten wir den Entscheid erst in einer Woche gemeinsam bekannt geben. Der Zeitungsartikel ist uns jetzt dazwischen gekommen.»

Ein Nachfolger ist noch nicht bestimmt. Aber Marc Rosset, wie spekuliert wird, «ist im Moment kein Thema», sagt der Weltranglisten-Zweite. Die Vorbereitung fürs Australian Open bestreitet Federer in der Schweiz – noch ohne Coach. «Ich fliege erst am 5. Januar nach Australien.»

Der Schwede Lundgren (38) coachte Roger Federer die letzten vier Saisons und begleitete ihn beim Aufstieg bis auf Weltranglistenplatz 2 hinter Andy Roddick (USA).

jtipson
12-09-2003, 04:10 PM
Thanks star. Still doesn't shed much light on WHY he needs a new coach though. Hope he can clear that up in the press conference.

TheBoiledEgg
12-09-2003, 04:10 PM
shocked and really suprised at this but then again nothing really is suprising in tennis. good luck Roger in 2004, gonna need it

star
12-09-2003, 04:12 PM
I have decided after the Master's Cup victory. It was a long process and it was not easy to inform Lundgren. However I need a new challenge with a new coach.

star
12-09-2003, 04:16 PM
oh my gosh. I didn't notice this. Did Lundgren find out through the press?

«Er war sehr enttäuscht. Eigentlich wollten wir den Entscheid erst in einer Woche gemeinsam bekannt geben. Der Zeitungsartikel ist uns jetzt dazwischen gekommen.»

He was very disappointed. Realy we wanted to first to announce the decision together in a week. The newspaper article has interfered with us. (come between us)

jtipson
12-09-2003, 04:25 PM
No, I don't think so star, I think he told him after Houston, and they were going to announce it next week (presumably after all the sports awards etc).

NZZ have an updated article with some more quotes from the press conference. http://www.nzz.ch/2003/12/09/sp/tic/page-nzzam-sport-20031209_brz005.html

Doris Loeffel
12-09-2003, 04:59 PM
All right here's the translation to this article:

Roger Federer splits with his coach Peter Lundgren:

(si) Roger Federer and his successcoach (is that a word??) Peter Lundgren are seperating immediateli. The Baselbieter is on the surchf for a replacement, but can also imagine, to play the Australian Open without a coach.

An article in the "Neuen Zürcher zeitung" from Thuesday caused the early announcement of the spliting who was actually planned to be released Dez. 15. together with Lundgren. "It's sbeen a longer process and the decision was a though one" said Federer at the especially made pressconference in Basel. "We end at the absolute peak, and that made the decision even harder."

Federer, who told Lundgren his decision after the Master-Ritle, had since April 2000 and his decision to split with Swiss Tennis at the end of October (00) been fully working with the swede. Lundgren was alongside at all big success' of Federer and also realised the smal path between sugarbread and whip. Despite it, it seamed for Federer that the time has arrived for a new orientation. "Our relationship became common. I have the feeling that I need a new impulse."

With the selections of a new coach Federer doesn't want to precipitape anything. His preparing time for the Australian Open wil be held at Biel as planned there he'll be training with young swiss players and from the 15th (Dezember) on also together with his friend Max Mirnyi. (end of article)



Well it shows once again what power the press has - one article upsetting everybody - guess Roger will be even more carefully now when he talks to the press. And NZZ should stick to politics and economics. Sure they were right with what they wrote - but all this wouldn't have been necessary if they just could have waited one more week. But then again they want to sell the paper...

...Anyways thanks Peter for what you did. Guess it wasn't always easy with Roger but you brought him to where he is now. And for that you deserve a big TAKK!! On the otherhand I somehow can understand Roger.
So good luck to both.

MisterQ
12-09-2003, 05:22 PM
So. any speculation on who Federer might pick as a new coach? Who do you think would be good?

I'm not really up on the "coaching scene", so I can't say, but I know some of you are...

Doris Loeffel
12-09-2003, 05:26 PM
well I wouldn't mind if he pairs with Heinz Günthardt.

Lady
12-09-2003, 05:50 PM
OMG :eek: I'm so shoked!!
I just can't believe it :eek:

star
12-09-2003, 06:43 PM
I'm sure Federer will have his pick of pretty much whoever he wants.

J. Corwin
12-09-2003, 07:07 PM
This is some pretty shocking news. I did not anticipate this at all after the amazing year Roger had. Could this be like the Hewitt/Stoltenberg relationship? Altho of course Lleyton didn't end up nearly as high a note as Roger. Look what happened to him after he dropped Jason...

What I gather from all those articles and translations is that they had already planned on separating ways after the Masters Cup, when Roger told Peter about his decision....but the NZZ came in and caused an unwanted early announcement of their break of ties. It's a shame it had to be this way.

I'm very curious as to who the new coach will be. Hopefully the press conference will shed some more light on all of this.

star
12-09-2003, 07:47 PM
He said he made his decision after the Masters Cup.

J. Corwin
12-09-2003, 07:50 PM
Yea that's what I meant but I wasn't writing fully coherently.

Sjengster
12-09-2003, 08:47 PM
All I can say is, he'd better know what he's doing. I was the one who made a parallel to Hewitt last year in terms of his results this year (winning Wimbledon and the TMC in the same season), but honestly - considering Hewitt's drop this year, firing his coach as well is too much of a similarity to be funny. Pity, I rather enjoyed the jolly bucolic presence of Lundgren in the player's box. And to think, all those quotes from people at Federer's home town saying that success hadn't gone to his head, how he'd remained the same normal, regular guy... could this be the first sign that they're wrong? All those players who get a new coach "to try and take their game to the next level" usually end up dropping like a stone, it seems to me.

Deboogle!.
12-09-2003, 09:02 PM
All those players who get a new coach "to try and take their game to the next level" usually end up dropping like a stone, it seems to me.

I think the problem is the players who perhaps don't do it at the right time. Obviously Andy did it at the right time and it helped. It didn't seem to hurt Andre to get rid of Brad. And there are a few players that need to be informed that it IS the right time lol (Blake comes to mind). Then you have Dent who ditched his coach right after the USO and went on to win back-to-back titles and beat Ferrero and other good players in the process, and Henman who got rid of his coach and had the best tennis week of his life....

so, it's hard to say.

Goonergal
12-09-2003, 09:52 PM
Wow, I'm really shocked. I thought they were one of the most solid partnerships. I guess you never can tell.

Deboogle!.
12-09-2003, 09:56 PM
Federer Splits With Coach Lundgren

By Tennis Week
12/11/2003

Seeking to set himself up for a strong start in the future, Roger Federer made a break with the past today. The second-ranked Swiss announced today he has parted company with long-time coach Peter Lundgren. The split comes a month after Federer produced a brilliant performance in winning the year-end Tennis Masters Cup crown without dropping a set.

The Wimbledon winner made the announcement in a press conference held in his hometown of Basel. Federer informed Lundgren of his decision shortly after he raised the Masters Cup trophy in Houston.
The 22-year-old Federer will work with Severin Luethi — his assistant coach on the Swiss Davis Cup team — during his December training sessions while he continues his search for a new full-time coach. Federer suggested he may have a new coach in place in time for the Australian Open or he may take the trip Down Under without a new coach.

Monotony seems to be one of the primary reasons for the split. Federer felt his working relationship with Lundgren had grown stale and he's seeking a fresh approach before beginning the 2004 season. Federer said his partnership with Lundgren felt like "a daily routine" in an old relationship.

"I was thinking about doing it for the last few months," Federer said. "I am very thankful for all that Peter has done for me and I hope we will remain friends."

Deboogle!.
12-09-2003, 09:57 PM
Wimbledon Champion Federer Splits from His Coach
Tue Dec 9, 2:21 PM ET Add Sports - Reuters to My Yahoo!



ZURICH (Reuters) - Wimbledon (news - web sites) champion Roger Federer has split with his coach Peter Lundgren after the most successful year of his career.


The 22-year-old has been working with the Swedish coach, a close friend, since 1998 and Tuesday's announcement came just three weeks after Federer won the season-ending Masters Cup, thrashing Andre Agassi (news) in the final.


"I just had the feeling I should look for something new. I would like new impetus, and after thinking it over carefully I saw this as a solution for next year," Federer said on Swiss television.


"We both had a bit of a similar feeling at the end of the season that it was not the same as before and this led me to the decision."


No successor has been chosen yet, he said, adding that he wanted to have a trial period with his new coach.


"Peter Lundgren and Roger Federer have gone a lot further than the goals they had set," a statement on Federer's personal Web Site said.


"With the success and the skills that Roger has worked on with Peter Lundgren, Roger Federer is very well equipped for the challenges yet to come. But this also meant the desire for re-orientation in his environment in terms of sport." Federer won more prize money in 2003 than any other player -- $4 million -- and finished second in the rankings behind American Andy Roddick.


He won the Wimbledon title in July, beating Mark Philippoussis (news) in the final after crushing Roddick 7-6, 6-3, 6-3, in the semi-final in one of the year's great performances.


The shaggy-haired, stocky Lundgren was a familiar sight in the stands at major tournaments and the two men were considered inseparable.

Shy
12-09-2003, 10:28 PM
I hope he know what he does and that he chose his coach wisely. I bet many coches are willing to coach him. Any speculation who the coach would or you would like to be.

azza
12-09-2003, 10:31 PM
:woohoo: :banana:

azza
12-09-2003, 10:31 PM
Federer splits with coach

BASEL, Dec 9 DPA - World No.2 tennis player Roger Federer confirmed today that he had split from his Swedish coach Peter Lundgren.
The 22-year-old Wimbledon and Masters Cup champion cited the "need for a new sporting direction" for his decision to separate from his coach of three years, during which time he had moved from a world ranking of 30th to second.
Switzerland's Davis Cup captain Marc Rosset and Severin Luethi have been named as possible successors.

Billabong
12-10-2003, 12:23 AM
I hope Federer continues to play great and even better! Maybe that's a good change for him, if he feels it was the good decision and he's ready to go to another stage in his career! Now it's time to get to #1 and win a lot of Grand Slams, and maybe that's what he needed!
GO ROGI! Keep up the great play!:) I wish you the best with your new coach and the years to come!

faboozadoo15
12-10-2003, 12:25 AM
hey billabong :wavey: where have u been? i've been trying to find out where u got that shirt... lol

Leo
12-10-2003, 12:42 AM
Wow, really shocking. We'll just have to wait and see if this was a smart move or not.

Why are so many people here blaming this decision on Mirka and/or Roger's parents? You know, believe it or not, I think Roger can make decisions for himself. This was not some great plot by Roger's girlfriend. :rolleyes:

Billabong
12-10-2003, 12:55 AM
Hi faboozadoo,
lol are you talking about Federer's Wimbledon shirt in blue?? I got it in a Nike store in Myrtle Beach for 30$ I think!

faboozadoo15
12-10-2003, 01:08 AM
yea thats the one... i cant find those anywhere... and the one i had is beginning to fade
u know the name of the store?

Billabong
12-10-2003, 01:49 AM
Oh it's a Nike factory store I think...

Action Jackson
12-10-2003, 03:54 AM
Hopefully Roger knows what he is doing and he hasn't been poorly advised.

Lundgren took him from #30 to 2 and all the success he had this year. Though if he feels stale with Peter, it's better to end the partnership.

I read a comment in one of the papers translated Federer says " We both had the same feelings at the end of the season, that it wasn't the same as before, so I decided to make this decision".

Lundgren was an excellent coach for Federer, but he can't be blamed for all of the matches Federer lost as ultimately Federer is the one who has to get the job done on the court.

As for alternative coaches well saying Rosset is a party boy and is no good for him is rubbish, as Lundgren never backed away from a party and it didn't affect his work with Roger.

Hopefully his tennis won't be affected too much early in the season, and he gets the coach thing sorted out very soon.

WyverN
12-10-2003, 04:06 AM
As for alternative coaches well saying Rosset is a party boy and is no good for him is rubbish, as Lundgren never backed away from a party and it didn't affect his work with Roger.


How about the fact that Rosset still plays on the tour? They played each other a few months ago

Action Jackson
12-10-2003, 04:16 AM
Rosset will retire very soon, and he has said he would like to be involved in tennis after he finishes and that would be a good job.

Also Safin's coach Denis is still officially playing on tour (yes he played in Russia in the indoor season), and that hasn't stoppped him from coaching Safin.

It was various media agencies that suggested he was a candidate and not myself.

Deboogle!.
12-10-2003, 04:35 AM
I'd say a better argument against Rosset is that he was there and able to talk to Roger during the Hewitt DC match and from what everyone says it didn't help much...

Action Jackson
12-10-2003, 04:47 AM
Rosset didn't lose the match. It was Federer who didn't close it out when he had the chance to do so in the 3rd.

In the 5th set Federer didn't have much left in the tank, the doubles the day before didn't help and no
amount of talking would have changed the result otherwise.

WyverN
12-10-2003, 04:58 AM
Rosset didn't lose the match. It was Federer who didn't close it out when he had the chance to do so in the 3rd.

In the 5th set Federer didn't have much left in the tank, the doubles the day before didn't help and no
amount of talking would have changed the result otherwise.

In the 4th set they were going pretty even. Obviously Hewitt was reading the Federer game pretty well by now, I saw no change in Federer's gamestyle that the coach could have suggested. Federer is certainly capable of a gameplan change and it would probably put Hewitt on the backfoot again.

Action Jackson
12-10-2003, 05:13 AM
Very good points WyverN for sure, and it was only when it reached the 5th set that Federer was outgunned. How Hewitt won that match was typical of him though.

Roger has so much talent and he is very capable of changing the game plans, he missed the shots that he wasn't missing earlier. With Hewitt it's obvious what kind of game he is going to play, so yes it was a test that Roger failed unfortunately.

At that time I don't think serve/volleying would have been a better tactic to use, and he wasn't patient enough to move him around the court for long enough, he had his chances but unfortunately blew them.

shaoyu
12-10-2003, 07:06 AM
BASEL, Switzerland : Wimbledon champion Roger Federer announced he was splitting with his coach Peter Lundgren in order to give his career "new impetus".

"This decision comes after a lot of hard thinking," said the Swiss player who finished the year as world number two.

"I felt as if I'd fallen into sort of the same old routine. And over the last few months our relationship has become more strained."

Federer told the Swede of his decision last week.

"It wasn't easy and of course Peter was very disappointed," said Federer.

The two had worked together since 2000 when Federer quit the coach who had developed his early career, Peter Carter.

Under Lundgren's guidance, Federer won 11 titles, including this year's Wimbledon title and the ATP Masters Cup in Texas last month.

Federer dismissed press reports in Switzerland that he was set to work with former Olympic singles champion Marc Rosset.

"I've never even considered that option," he said, adding that he was unconcerned about playing next month's Australian Open without a coach.

"I haven't had any other contacts," said Federer. "I am hoping to find a coach capable of introducing me to new ideas. We will have to have the same approach to the game."

- AFP

Doris Loeffel
12-10-2003, 07:49 AM
Well well I'm as shocked about this as all of us. But isn't it funny that only a few month ago some ppl even suggested that he should get a new coach - and now he gets a new coach and he's blamed again.

Well Roger you know allen Leuten recht getan ist eine Kunst die Niemand kann...
...hope you'll find again a matching coach who suits your game and character!!

Good luck in whatever you do!!

Action Jackson
12-10-2003, 08:35 AM
You never know he could rehire Lundgren again. It wouldn't be the first time that a player has rehired a coach that they used to work with.

He has his best year on the circuit and sacks his coach, there is probably more going on that we have seen so far in the media.

If he is not happy with himself, then his results will suffer and hopefully that doesn't happen.

tennischick
12-10-2003, 09:01 AM
i am truly shocked by this development. i hope the speculations about the interfering girlfriend are wrong because that would be disastrous.

Experimentee
12-10-2003, 11:37 AM
I'm shocked by this. Peter has been his coach for so long, and done great things for his game. Roger's come so far in the last few years and I dont understand why he would fire Peter when hes at the peak of his career. I dont think it was a good decision, but I hope it was totally their own decision and no one else was influencing.

star
12-10-2003, 11:50 AM
Maybe the reason he played so freely at the Masters Cup was because he knew that he would soon no longer have Lundgren as a coach.

Who knows? Roger is the only one who knows how he feels and what he needs and wants.

It's stuff like this that keeps tennis interesting. Maybe this is just what Roger needs to rise to the level everyone thinks he can attain. He says he wants a new challenge, and that sounds hopeful. :)

star
12-10-2003, 12:13 PM
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Roger Federer: «Entscheid ist mir schwer gefallen»
Abruptes Ende einer Erfolgsgeschichte

Überraschender Entscheid im Umfeld Roger Federers: Der Tennis-Crack und Coach Peter Lundgren trennen sich. Der Entscheid hätte eigentlich erst am 15. Dezember bekannt gegeben werden sollen, ein Artikel in der NZZ vom Dienstag sorgte aber dafür, dass sich die Ereignisse überstürzten. «Es war ein längerer Prozess, und der Entscheid ist mir schwer gefallen», sagte Federer an in Basel an einer Pressekonferenz.




Roger Federer rechtfertig in Basel die sofortige Trennung von Coach Lundgren.
(Bild reu)

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zz. «Wir beenden unsere Zusammenarbeit auf dem absoluten Höhepunkt, das hat den Entscheid noch schwerer gemacht», bemerkte Roger Federer am Dienstag in Basel vor versammelter Presse. Obwohl Federer in diesem Jahr mit sieben Turniersiegen, darunter dem Gewinn der Kronjuwelen von Wimbledon und dem Masters in Houston, das bei weitem erfolgreichste Jahr seiner Karriere hinter sich hat, in dem er den Weltranglisten-Thron nur um einen Hauch verpasste, sah der Baselbieter die Zeit für eine Neuorientierung gekommen: «Unsere Beziehung ist alltäglich geworden. Ich habe das Gefühl, dass ich einen neuen Impuls brauche.»

Die Trennung, so Federer, habe er sich über mehrere Monate reiflich überlegt, und dem «sehr enttäuschten» Lundgren dann nach dem Saison-Finale in Texas mitgeteilt, einem Turnier, in dem die beiden weit von jeglichen Dissonanzen entfernt schienen. Das war allerdings gemäss Federer nicht immer so: «Es hat vielleicht Mitte Jahr, im Ansatz auch schon Anfang Jahr, erste Zeichen von Problemen gegeben. Es war einfach nicht mehr so wie früher. Ich bin überzeugt, dass ich richtig gehandelt habe.»

Während auch spekuliert wurde, Miroslava Vavrinec sei zumindest mitbeteiligt an der Absetzung gewesen, wollte Federer von einer eventuellen «Mitschuld» seiner Freundin, die den randvollen Terminkalender Federers koordiniert, nichts wissen: «Wir haben im Team darüber diskutiert, aber den Beschluss habe ich ganz allein gefasst. Ich muss schliesslich zufrieden sein.»

Federer hatte seit April 2000 und seinem Entschluss, sich per Ende Oktober jener Saison von Swiss Tennis (und damit von seinem Jugendcoach Peter Carter) zu trennen, voll und ganz mit dem sympathischen Schweden mit der etwas altmodischen Frisur zusammen gearbeitet. Lundgren war bei allen grossen Erfolgen Federers mit dabei, begleitete ihn zu elf Turniersiegen, dem Sprung von Platz 51 auf 2 im Ranking sowie - noch wichtiger - zur Reifung vom einst impulsiven Youngster mit vorzüglichen Anlagen zum hart arbeitenden Weltstar, der sich jederzeit unter Kontrolle hat. Zudem war der ehemalige Top-30-Spieler, der den schmalen Grat zwischen Zuckerbrot und Peitsche ausgezeichnet beherrschte, stets umgänglich und ein auch von den Medien gern kontaktierter Ansprechpartner.

Der Baselbieter ist auf der Suche nach einem Ersatz, will aber bei dem für einen Tennisspieler unzweifelhaft diffizilsten Entscheid nichts überstürzen. Dies muss er auch nicht, denn sein ausnehmend hoher technisch-taktischer Level sollte es ihm erlauben, eine gewisse Phase ohne Übungsleiter ohne allzu grossen Substanzverlust zu überstehen. Seine Vorbereitungsphase auf den ersten Saisonhöhepunkt absolviert Federer wie geplant in Biel und wird dabei nebst den physischen Einheiten mit Pierre Paganini mit jungen Schweizern (Ivo Heuberger, Yves Allegro, Stanislas Wawrinka, Michael Lammer) sowie ab dem 15. Dezember auch mit seinem Freund Max Mirnyi trainieren.

Am 5. Januar erfolgt dann die Abreise in Richtung Melbourne, wo nach Exhibitions in Hongkong und Melbourne am 19. Januar das erste Grand-Slam-Turnier 2004 beginnt. «Ich kann mir aber gut vorstellen, in Melbourne ohne Coach anzutreten», so Federer, der noch kein genaues Anforderungsprofil erstellt hat: «Ich muss aber sicher mit ihm auskommen können und das Potenzial sehen, mit ihm vorwärts zu kommen.» Allfällige Namen, die in den nächsten Tagen aufgeworfen werden, sind definitiv nicht mehr als Spekulationen, denn Federer sagt: «Ich bin noch am Schauen.»

Deboogle!.
12-10-2003, 04:16 PM
Here's another article (in English! lol). He says he's not going to consider Rosset

Federer to Take Time Selecting New Coach
Wed Dec 10, 4:47 AM ET

ZURICH (Reuters) - Wimbledon (news - web sites) champion Roger Federer will take his time in choosing a new coach to replace Peter Lundgren, who helped the 22-year-old Swiss to the most successful year of his career.

"First, I wanted to get this thing with Peter over and then search for a new coach. Anything else would have been unfair," he told Wednesday's edition of the Swiss newspaper Blick.

"I can conceive of going to Australia without a coach. My goal would still be the same," Federer said.

The 2004 season starts with the Australian Open (news - web sites) in January.

The Swiss has been working with Lundgren, a close friend, since 1998.

The shaggy-haired, stocky Swede was a familiar sight in the stands at major tournaments and the two men were considered inseparable. Federer said he had come as far as he could with Lundgren and it was time for a change.

Federer won the 2003 season-ending Masters Cup, thrashing Andre Agassi (news) in the final, and he finishes the year ranked second in the world behind Andy Roddick.

Marc Rosset and Severin Luethi have been touted as possible coaches but Federer dismissed the first as a possibility.

"I would certainly not consider Marc as a coach. He still plays and is also (Swiss) Davis Cup captain. I will be training regularly with Severin in the next few weeks...but I am also training with (others)," he said.

"I must get on with (any new coach). We have to speak the same language and I have to have the feeling that I can develop further with him," he said, adding there was no short list. Federer won more prize money than any other player -- $4 million -- in 2003.

He won the Wimbledon title in July by beating Australian Mark Philippoussis (news) 7-6, 6-2, 7-6 in the final and Roddick 7-6, 6-3, 6-3 in the semifinal in one of the year's great performances.

The Swiss daily Tages-Anzeiger said the Swiss player was breaking the cardinal "never change a winning team" sports rule. Lundgren guided Federer from being ranked number 51 four years ago to near the pinnacle of his profession.

J. Corwin
12-10-2003, 06:12 PM
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Deboogle!.
12-10-2003, 07:07 PM
well maybe it was broke behind the scenes LOL

heya
12-10-2003, 08:45 PM
Yoko, coach...Yoko!

Havok
12-10-2003, 08:50 PM
:eek: he's gonna play the AO without a coach:eek:

Deboogle!.
12-10-2003, 08:51 PM
looks like that could be a possibility....

MisterQ
12-10-2003, 08:58 PM
Sometimes it's not really "broke", but just a little stale. You might have a great relationship with your coach or teacher, but at some point you start to feel that they have given you most of what they have to give. And in this case it's surely a hard decision to make a break, because it's emotionally and professionally easier to just keep it going, and hard to break the news. It probably took Roger a lot of time and thought to come to this decision.

MisterQ
12-10-2003, 09:00 PM
:eek: he's gonna play the AO without a coach:eek:

He'll probably win.

talented bastard
;)

Kiara
12-10-2003, 09:54 PM
poor Lundgren...wonder who he'll coach next? Maybe when Marat Safin dumps DG he'll designate him as coach no 175684#######..I always thought that they had a good thing going....shame really..well this just makes for an even more interesting AO and 2004!

faboozadoo15
12-10-2003, 10:05 PM
roger will be a lot of things, but i doubt he'll be coachless...
monica will help him out, of course ;)
lol, i just find it a litt;e interesting that both of my favorite players don't have a coach right now... kinda odd. monica can do without a coach, but i think roger is too young to give that a try-- and i really really doubt he'd play more than a few events without a coach.

WyverN
12-10-2003, 10:58 PM
It would be pretty silly for him to play AO without a coach as he still lacks experience.
Part of the reason for his success against Nalbandian in Houston was due to new tactics that I am sure Peter had a part in.

J. Corwin
12-11-2003, 01:24 AM
He's trying to get a taste of what it's like to be without a coach probably. I don't know if there's much to figure out now that he's already beaten Daveed.

faboozadoo15
12-11-2003, 01:43 AM
but still.. just about every player needs a coach... granted, some players follow intructions more from their fitness trainer than from their coach. players really benefit from good caoching (roddick, williams sisters, pete, monica, jim courier, and ummm federer). i can't think of any successful players who didn't have a coach... so i think roger needs one. i think he did this bc he wants something fresh.. not to be completely independent, that would be a mistake.

J. Corwin
12-11-2003, 02:18 AM
Oh I don't disagree on that. He definitely needs a good coach to do the most with his potential.

Action Jackson
12-11-2003, 04:12 AM
originally Posted by faboozadoo15
i can't think of any successful players who didn't have a coach...

There was one successful player that didn't have a coach for most of his career his name Miloslav Mecir. Then again he was a very unique individual and he made 2 Slam finals, and semis in the other 2 Slams and that isn't shabby. Though he had some guy called Lendl who used to get his way more often than not.

At this stage of his career, I don't think he could go without a coach for too long, as I said before if he isn't happy with himself and his environment then his performances will suffer.

Deboogle!.
12-11-2003, 05:07 AM
It doesn't sound like he's going to go without a coach for too long, it sounds to me more like he'll wait til the right person comes around and that's probably a good idea - even if it means playing the AO without a coach.

WyverN
12-11-2003, 05:38 AM
There was one successful player that didn't have a coach for most of his career his name Miloslav Mecir. Then again he was a very unique individual and he made 2 Slam finals, and semis in the other 2 Slams and that isn't shabby. Though he had some guy called Lendl who used to get his way more often than not.


Mecir was considered a very talented player yet where are the achievements (that is slam wins). He would definetly do better with a coach.

Action Jackson
12-11-2003, 06:18 AM
Originally Posted by WyverN

Mecir was considered a very talented player yet where are the achievements (that is slam wins). He would definetly do better with a coach.


Did you ever see him play? If you actually remember around that time at the top there were certain guys like Lendl, Becker, Edberg, Wilander who were dominating the Slams and to win one around that time he was playing was very difficult.

In your eyes he was a failure cause he won no Slams, but that is your opinion. You probably forget that Lendl was the one guy who consistently dominated him and knew how to play him, and he eliminated him in most of those big matches.

He was tactically very sharp, and it wasn't tactically where he fell down, he had problems with choking in big matches and he did that on numerous occassions. That plus he wasn't prepared to put in the work like Lendl, Becker, Edberg and Connors were at the time. A psychologist he might have needed, but a coach wouldn't have made much difference to him.

Back to the topic as long as Federer finds the coach and right balance he needs to successful, I wish all the best for him and Lundgren. Hopefully they will stay on friendly terms.

rogicomel
12-11-2003, 08:13 AM
Exactly George! That's what I wish for the two of them!

This is really really sad but Rogi has taken his decision after a very hard thinking. So, he might have considered what his career direction's gonna be after hiring a new coach.

star
12-11-2003, 01:55 PM
Mecir was considered a very talented player yet where are the achievements (that is slam wins). He would definetly do better with a coach.

Perhaps. But Mecir was hampered by a bad back. This plagued him his entire career. It was difficult for him to hold up playing match after match.

Plus, it would have helped him a lot if more Swedes had been playing. ;)

But, I agree. Mecir is not a player Roger should look to as a role model for conducting his career.

jtipson
12-11-2003, 02:07 PM
From what I can gather, Peter has said very little apart from that he's probably going to take a 6 month break now, or until he gets restless. Most of the other quotes in the article are from Roger's press conference / release.

http://www.dagensnyheter.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=672&a=213137&previousRenderType=6

tennischick
12-11-2003, 10:32 PM
Yoko, coach...Yoko!
ha ha...;)

Action Jackson
12-12-2003, 03:48 AM
Tusen takk for lenken jtipson, synes eg Peter skal har mang treneretilbuder i fremtida.

LCeh
04-13-2004, 09:03 PM
*bump*

Certainly surprised to see how much Federer improved on his own.

Just wondering what everyone thinks after 4 months now. Do you think he will continue without a coach for another few months? Or will he find a coach after clay court season?

vene
04-13-2004, 09:27 PM
Does he need a coach?

LCeh
04-13-2004, 09:46 PM
Yup, I think so. In the long run, it's still better to have someone more experienced giving you advice. But of course it also depends who the coach is. I just hope he will find a good one soon.

ys
04-13-2004, 10:38 PM
Certainly surprised to see how much Federer improved on his own.

Jesus doesn't need to improve. He is perfect by its nature.

RonE
02-08-2006, 10:47 PM
BUMP

Interesting to see this thread in hindsight. These two posts dating December 2003:

Tony Roche.......please????


poor Lundgren...wonder who he'll coach next? Maybe when Marat Safin dumps DG he'll designate him as coach no 175684#######

Dirk and Kiara, very well spotted! Your 8-ball was right on cue :yeah:

Amazing when you think all that has happened in the last two years. And yet it seems like only yesterday. I guess parting ways with Lundgren in the end turned out to be the right decision after all. I believe going coachless for a year, having all the success he had and learning everything by himself for himself has really made Roger a better and stronger player, mentally more than anything else. I do wonder if stagnation would have set in blocking progress had Lundgren remained in the Federer camp.

rofe
02-08-2006, 11:07 PM
Amazing when you think all that has happened in the last two years. And yet it seems like only yesterday. I guess parting ways with Lundgren in the end turned out to be the right decision after all. I believe going coachless for a year, having all the success he had and learning everything by himself for himself has really made Roger a better and stronger player, mentally more than anything else. I do wonder if stagnation would have set in blocking progress had Lundgren remained in the Federer camp.

Who knows - with Lundgren Fed may have won the French for the last two years... :p ;)

SwissMister1
02-09-2006, 02:53 AM
I miss Coach Lundgren :sad:

TenHound
02-09-2006, 03:02 AM
It's unfair & incorrect to say that Roger "fired" Peter. Peter told Roger that he had no more to teach him.

celia
02-09-2006, 04:02 AM
It's unfair & incorrect to say that Roger "fired" Peter. Peter told Roger that he had no more to teach him.
my point exactly about 'spin'. ;)

NYCtennisfan
02-09-2006, 06:06 AM
Perhaps Fed and his coach just outgrew each other (like Agassi and Gilbert did)? There's only so much one can teach and when you're done learning that, how do you grow? Everyone at some point has to find another coach with a different style who can help take their game to another level. If you stick with the same coach too long, you'll stagnate.

This was a very insightful post by tangerine_dream. At the time, it looked like a very risky move, a move that most people thought would not work out for Federer. But Federer knew something. I think he found faith in his game and he needed to try it out and it led to one of the greatest runs if not THE greatest run in the Open Era.

Dirk
02-09-2006, 09:25 AM
Roger and Peter always had one year contracts. Roger just thought it was getting stale and Peter agreed too. Roger has the best situation with Roche right now.

Corey Feldman
02-09-2006, 11:13 AM
Id always thought Mirka fired Lundgren since she wears the pants :p
anyway: The legend hasnt done that badly since the split i guess ... 6 slams, 25 titles, 172-10 win/loss

thankyou very much.

MariaV
02-09-2006, 01:08 PM
Gee Mikey, it's only gossip gossip gossip about Mirka vs Lundgren! ;)
I'm so happy the merry Swede hooked up with Marat. :p

Himura
02-09-2006, 01:13 PM
interting turn of events

Corey Feldman
02-09-2006, 02:01 PM
:lol: read this thread from page1 back in 2003...
comments at that time..
and he should get a coach that will work with that damn head of his. i'm really shocked by this, but maybe Federer finally realized he needed a coach to work with his psych problems, because he doesn't really have any problems with his game
Perhaps she has more steel than does Rogi?

Well, Good luck, Rogi! It worked for Andy.
my how the tables did turn :)

Corey Feldman
02-09-2006, 02:08 PM
Tony Roche.......please????

It is so sad. Peter coaches Rios, gets fired, now with Roger. I just hope for the best but I am expecting the worst out of this split.

I read Rosset is up for the job. If Roger ends up flushing his career down the toliet over an girl it would be not even sad. I wouldn't be able to get pass the word stupid.
More entertainment from 2003 :p

Dirk
02-10-2006, 10:13 AM
More entertainment from 2003 :p

:lol: Many of us expected bad things as nobody could have predicated his 04 year at the start of it. To my credit I am on record as posting that Roger could win Oz without Peter since he knew what to do against everyone because he beat them all before.

nobama
02-10-2006, 11:34 AM
:lol: Many of us expected bad things as nobody could have predicated his 04 year at the start of it. To my credit I am on record as posting that Roger could win Oz without Peter since he knew what to do against everyone because he beat them all before.Yeah, but you also blamed this on his gf (or bought the theory she was somehow behind it). Do you still think she's sponging off Roger? :lol:

Mirka did nothing as an player so for her to have any say in Peter's role is absurd. He is an huge reason why she is able to sponge off of Roger.
I don't think its the parents doing. I am sure they appreciate greatly what Peter has done with Roger and realize that he is half the reason Roger is where he is. Parents have some right to be involved in the business side since its their kid and they don't want someone to harm him, but the girlfriend???????

As The Rock would say (Rogi's favorite WWE Star) KNOW YOUR ROLE AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH.
I read Rosset is up for the job. If Roger ends up flushing his career down the toliet over an girl it would be not even sad. I wouldn't be able to get pass the word stupid.

R.Federer
02-10-2006, 01:21 PM
Yeah, but you also blamed this on his gf (or bought the theory she was somehow behind it). Do you still think she's sponging off Roger? :lol:

Maybe Dirk is/was correct. We did never find out what Famille Federer 's reason is for dumping lundgren
And for the other prediction (Roche) and wining the A.O., dirk was correct

Fedex
02-11-2006, 12:51 AM
:lol: read this thread from page1 back in 2003...
comments at that time..


my how the tables did turn :)
A lot can change in 2 years, obviously. :)

Fedex
02-11-2006, 01:00 AM
:lol: Many of us expected bad things as nobody could have predicated his 04 year at the start of it. To my credit I am on record as posting that Roger could win Oz without Peter since he knew what to do against everyone because he beat them all before.
I have to admit, those old quotes from you are pretty funny, Dirk. :lol:
But then again, everybody was writing off Roger back then, and everyone was on the Roddick bandwagon.

Dirk
02-11-2006, 04:03 AM
I have to admit, those old quotes from you are pretty funny, Dirk. :lol:
But then again, everybody was writing off Roger back then, and everyone was on the Roddick bandwagon.

I wasn't writing Roger off but since he had mental issues back then I was worried about him until he got a coach. I love when Ninja surprises me :)

Dirk
02-11-2006, 04:05 AM
Yeah, but you also blamed this on his gf (or bought the theory she was somehow behind it). Do you still think she's sponging off Roger? :lol:

Let's not forget what Peter did for Roger. He really helped build up the foundation after Carter left. He is responsible for a lot of Roger's weapons, so yes I do stand by that quote.

Fedex
02-11-2006, 05:04 PM
I wasn't writing Roger off but since he had mental issues back then I was worried about him until he got a coach. I love when Ninja surprises me :)
I love the Rock quote, btw. ;)

Dirk
02-11-2006, 05:46 PM
Rock quote Fedex?

prima donna
02-11-2006, 05:59 PM
Genius words coming from a certain person here and that's to be completely expected, supporting a player is one thing, but obsession is completely and utterly separate.

Always great to see threads bumped that existed before I was "mtf born" and atleast idiocy and stupidity is consistent here.

Fedex
02-11-2006, 06:18 PM
Rock quote Fedex?
As The Rock would say (Rogi's favorite WWE Star) KNOW YOUR ROLE AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

Dirk
02-11-2006, 07:04 PM
ah yes. Thank you. :)

Dirk
02-11-2006, 07:05 PM
As The Rock would say (Rogi's favorite WWE Star) KNOW YOUR ROLE AND SHUT YOUR MOUTH.

I thought you were talking about my siggy but I am sure you like that too. :) :devil:

Eden
12-10-2007, 09:00 PM
Some words from Roger about Peter Lundgren and their breakup:

Go to 3:30 in this clip

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xo4GHGI9Vss

Sunset of Age
12-10-2007, 09:05 PM
Nice bump, Eden... an entertaining read at least! :lol:

Corey Feldman
12-10-2007, 09:21 PM
good read indeed :D

but i always liked Lundgren, he is a character.

DrJules
12-10-2007, 10:04 PM
:eek: he's gonna play the AO without a coach:eek:

And it was going to become a regular feature.:lol: :lol:

DrJules
12-10-2007, 10:10 PM
but still.. just about every player needs a coach... granted, some players follow intructions more from their fitness trainer than from their coach. players really benefit from good caoching (roddick, williams sisters, pete, monica, jim courier, and ummm federer). i can't think of any successful players who didn't have a coach... so i think roger needs one. i think he did this bc he wants something fresh.. not to be completely independent, that would be a mistake.

Oh I don't disagree on that. He definitely needs a good coach to do the most with his potential.

There was one successful player that didn't have a coach for most of his career his name Miloslav Mecir. Then again he was a very unique individual and he made 2 Slam finals, and semis in the other 2 Slams and that isn't shabby. Though he had some guy called Lendl who used to get his way more often than not.

At this stage of his career, I don't think he could go without a coach for too long, as I said before if he isn't happy with himself and his environment then his performances will suffer.

Only coach since Lungren was Roche on a part time basis.

DrJules
12-10-2007, 10:15 PM
Question.

Will Federer have another coach?

Action Jackson
12-11-2007, 08:37 AM
Only coach since Lungren was Roche on a part time basis.

Read the second part of my original quote, puts into context.

FilipeMB
12-11-2007, 09:08 AM
Question.

Will Federer have another coach?

He needs one, IMHO.

Action Jackson
12-11-2007, 09:09 AM
Good interview there with Federer.

didadida
12-11-2007, 10:19 PM
i think he needs a coach

Sunset of Age
12-12-2007, 01:34 AM
I happen to think that Roger does pretty well WITHOUT a coach, recently. :angel:

Happy to hear his very positive remarks on Lundgren nevertheless - not unlike his remarks on Roche, BTW. Roger knows pretty well what's best for him, I think. Only time willl time if he is right about that or not.

helgagonzalez
12-12-2007, 02:45 AM
i think roger needs a coach but he's too full of himself right now that having a coach actually won't work for him...