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2003 Tennis-X Awards: The Best and Worst in Pro Tennis

Deboogle!.
12-08-2003, 02:12 PM
Some WTA stuff mixed in but it's a good read :)

2003 Tennis-X Awards: The Best and Worst in Pro Tennis

By Richard Vach

It was an amazing year in the world of pro tennis. One year ago would you really have believed that Andy Roddick would finish No. 1? That Venus and Serena would not hit a ball after playing a Wimbledon final? That Lleyton Hewitt would finish outside the Top 15 while Martina Navaratilova would finish Top 10 in doubles? That Anna would be photographed on a park bench with Enrique's hand down her pants? And it goes on and on. It was a year in which the "New(est) Balls," led by Roddick, finally took over as Pete Sampras, Michael Chang and even Martina Hingis officially put the racquets in the bag, and the Belgians asserted immediate control of the women's tour in the Williams' absence. There were new babies, one named Jaz comes to mind, new spliter groups (IMTA), a new Tennis Channel and new leadership in key roles, see WTA and Larry Scott. So it's time to hand out what you have been waiting for: The 2003 Tennis-X Awards, recognizing the best (and the worst) in pro tennis for the year ending two thousand three:

Player of the Year: Andy Roddick
A-Rod, The Kid, Mr. Mandy Moore, the $3.2 million dollar man in 2003, Pay-Rod, whatever you want to call him short of a four-letter word (unless you're Ivan Ljubicic), Andy Roddick was at the forefront of tennis during the second half of the year after catching fire under new coach Brad Gilbert. It began with a grasscourt title at Queen's, and a semifinal effort at Wimbledon (l. to eventual champ Roger Federer). Then a stunning summer hardcourt run, including titles at Indianapolis, the TMS-Canada, TMS-Cincy, and US Open propelled the brash American to the top spot, narrowly edging New Balls foes Federer and Juan Carlos Ferrero. While Ferrero dumped his last six matches of the year to take himself out of the running, Federer almost stole A-Rod's thunder with his first slam title at Wimbledon and a stunning performance at the year-end Masters Cup. But no one in tennis could match the hype and rock-star status granted to Roddick the last five months of the season.
Runners-up: Belgian Justine Henin-Hardenne, the women's No. 1 who was a tooth-brushing away from usurping Roddick for the top honor... Kim Clijsters we considered, until we remembered her choking ways, losing an amazing six finals during the year.

Biggest Surprise: Justine Henin-Hardenne
After finishing last year in the middle of the Top 10, no one tagged the diminutive Belgian as the year-end No. 1 player for 2003. The Williams sisters helped out, sitting out the last few months of the year with injuries, but as Henin-Hardenne showed by upending Serena at the French Open, she has the skills to pay the bills. "I think all these players don't like it I'm not so strong and tall and am not the same looking players as them," H-H said. "They don't like to see me running all over the court and having power, too. Mentally, it's hard for them to compete against me." That backhand is a thing of beauty.
Runners-up: Guillermo Coria, dominating on clay and showing a vastly-improved hardcourt game...the Argentine Army...Andy Roddick, who knew it would come so quickly?

Player to Watch: Rafael Nadal
This kid is the real deal, guaranteed Top 10 (maybe in 2004) with a shot at No. 1. Only 17-years-old and possesing cat-like quickness and tenacious groundstrokes, "The Prodigy" was not even in this year's ATP Media Guide, but burst on the scene reaching four Challenger finals (winning one title) before debuting on tour at the TMS-Monte Carlo event where he ousted defending French Open champion Al Costa en route to the third round. He followed that with a win over Carlos Moya at the TMS-Hamburg, a third round effort at Wimbledon, beat Younes El Aynaoui at Bastad, and reached his first tour semifinal at Umag (l. to Moya). Was hampered late in the year with injuries, but keep an eye in 2004 on the lefty, who like most new-generation Spaniards can perform on all surfaces, and if he builds the serve -- watch out.
Runners-up: Feliciano Lopez, the net-savvy Spanish lefty can do it on all surfaces, and 2004 should be his coming-out party...Taylor Dent, if this kid could stay uninjured for more than a month at a time, he would challenge for the Top 10...Maria Sharapova, the grunt alone should get in her into the Top 8.

Best Match: Andy Roddick d. Younes El Aynaoui, Australian Open quarterfinal, 4-6, 7-6(5), 4-6, 6-4, 21-19
For those that can remember this far back, January provided a stellar start to the year at the Australian Open. With both players competing at an incredibly high level, Roddick twice came back from a set down, and in the end the two warriors could barely move, embracing in exhaustion at the net in front of a standing ovation. The five-hour match, which featured the longest fifth set (in games) in Slam history, was played at an incredibly high level throughout but took its toll on the winner, as Roddick got worked in the semifinals by Rainer Schuettler.
Runners-up: Justine Henin-Hardenne beating Serena Williams in the French Open semis, featuring compelling play and the controversial "talk to the hand" incident ("(Serena) wasn't very happy, but that is sport...that is tennis," Henin-Hardenne said)...Also an under-the-weather Henin-Hardenne beating a choking Jennifer Capriati at the US Open...Arnaud Clement, out of action for part of 2003 with a wrist injury, played an amateur tournament in the south of France LEFT-HANDED and won the event.

Worst Match: Juan Carlos Ferrero d. Martin Verkerk, French Open final, 6-1, 6-3, 6-2
Martin "Berzerk" Verkerk's freak run ends with a pounding at the hands of clay king Juan Carlos Ferrero. How different would things have been if Guillermo Coria didn't get shaken by his racquet-throwing incident in the semis against Verkerk? Coria wins that match, beats J.C. in the final, and you would have had the little Argentinean as the year-end No. 1. Discuss among yourselves.
Runner-Up: Any loss by Yevgeny Kafelnikov -- need we elaborate?

Best Event: Wimbledon
Great storylines with Roger Federer finally becomes a man, putting on a spectacular display of near-pefect tennis against two of the biggest servers in the game in Andy Roddick in the semifinals and Mark Philippoussis in the final. Lleyton Hewitt was bounced in the first round by Lurch-like Ivo Karlovic, the tallest player to ever compete at The Championships. Even Tim Henman gave the Brits reason to cheer playing quality tennis with a quarterfinal run. On the women's side, Serena Williams turns back Venus in another three-set freaky sister affair, while the tabloids went ga-ga over the leggy Maria Sharapova. Strawberries and cream for everyone. Jolly good.
Runners-up: About 80 other tournaments.

Worst Event: WTA Championships
The lack of big stars (out with injury: both Williams sisters, Lindsay, Monica) and lack of big-match tension (the No. 1 and No. 2 Belgians didn't even meet) in the cavernously-empty STAPLES Center made this event the bust of the year. At least they finally adopted the eight-player round robin format instead of the horrible 16-player draw.

2003 Best Comeback in a Match: Lleyton Hewitt
The ostentatious Aussie is best remembered for skipping all his tournaments after the US Open to prepare for the Davis Cup final, but forgotten was his stunning semifinal win against Roger Federer and Switzerland in the semifinals. Hewitt trailed 5-7, 2-6, 3-5, and all but looked lights-out against the confidently cool Federer, who was riding a remarkable streak of 31 consecutive sets won in Davis Cup play. But with his back against the wall, Hewitt pulled out the third set tiebreak 7-6(5), then rolled the Swiss 7-5, 6-1 in the final two sets. The win clinched the tie 3-1, putting Australia into yet another Davis Cup final, which they would go on to win.
Runner-up: Andy Roddick against David Nalbandian at the US Open, coming back from two sets down and a match point, nice choke Argentine.

Biggest Collapse: Alex Corretja
When the former No. 2-ranked player envisioned his 2003 campaign, it probably didn't include 15 first round losses, including a stretch of seven in a row. The Spaniard lost first round at the Australian Open, the French Open, skipped Wimbledon, and lost first round at the US Open, finishing the year outside the Top 100. Nice effort for a nice guy, we'll mail you the plaque.

Biggest Tank: Marat Safin, Barcelona Final
While Russian Yevgeny Kafelnikov never hesitated to put on the flippers during a match at the slightest provocation, countryman Marat Safin seemed to reverse the trend back in March when, at the TMS-Indian Wells event, he competed against Robby Ginepri (winning only one game) while suffering from the flu: "I didn't feel good, I didn't have any energy, I couldn't concentrate. Two days ago, I was throwing up and had fever. But you have to play until the end, no matter what." One month later in the best-of-five set Barcelona final, Safin retired against Carlos Moya, trailing 7-5, 2-6, 2-6, 0-3 because he was "tired." "I could not finish the match since I was extremely tired," said Safin, who cited no injury, but ATP staff later referred to a "stomach problem." Thanks for trying Marat.

Best Feud: Lleyton Hewitt vs. ATP
Australian favorite son Lleyton Hewitt sued the ATP for $1.5 million for not dropping a $20,000 fine imposed on him in 2002 for failing to do a television interview with host broadcaster ESPN in Cincinnati. "The appeal lodged on behalf of Lleyton was never about money," said father Glynn Hewitt said. "The ATP does not seem to recognize this...it should be understood that the issue is, and always has been, about clearing Lleyton's name." Since we have to guess, uh, Lleyton's name has always stood for, ummm...being such a great guy?
Runners-up: Billie Jean King vs. Jennifer Capriati for their Fed Cup flap...Masters Cup promotor Jim "Mattress Mac" McIngvale vs. the European players at the Masters Cup...Brent Larkham, the brother and coach of Australian player Todd Larkham, threatening to punch John McEnroe after the former No. 1 criticized Todd's performance against Lleyton Hewitt at the Australian Open.

Biggest Tease Andre Agassi and wife Steffi Graf playing mixed doubles together
Everyone thought that Andre had convinced the Mrs. to come out of retirement and play mixed doubles at either the French or Wimbledon, but that idea was nixed after it was revealed that Steffi would be producing another genetically perfect tennis prodigy.
Runners-up: Roger Federer, After winning Wimbledon, everyone thought the Swiss was a shoe-in for the year-end top spot...The Andy Roddick reality show "The Tour," which was on for 2004, then A-Rod says it is a no-go, then the Associated Press reports it is on again. Who knows?

Best Quote: Bruna Colosio
Who? The little-known Brazilian who beat up on the struggling Anna Kournikova while Anna was slumming it earlier in the year on the minor-league USTA Circuit. Colosio said Kournikova's serve was so weak, "I could almost hit an overhead off of it." Sweet.
Runners-up: Martina Navratilova branded two-time major golf champion Vijay Singh a "wuss" for criticizing Annika Sorenstam's participation on the men's PGA Tour...Bob Bryan focusing on Yevgeny Kafelnikov in the French Open doubles final: "Yevgeny is a great player but he's not the most positive towards his partner, that's the bottom line. We thought if we went to Paul (Haarhuis) and he started missing a few, that Yevgeny would shake his head, roll his eyes and the team would just go down."...James Blake on getting the hang of moving on the red dirt: "I still do that American slide -- slide, hit the ball, slide a little more and then almost lose my balance."...Vince Spadea at the TMS-Miami, where court temperatures were over 100 degrees: "It was very hot. And I'm from Florida, so what I say counts."

2003 Worst Quote: Kim Clijsters
Kim Clijsters on the state of women's tennis: "You know, I know that in a lot of Grand Slams I think, you know, women's tennis, you know, I mean if you watch -- you know, I'm in the committee of the WTA and, you know, we get a lot of the results back from the Grand Slams and stuff. And, you know, women's tennis, at the moment, I think is a little bit more popular I think, if you compare them to, you know, whatever, TV ratings and stuff like that." We didn't make that up.
Runners-up: Serena "Junk in the Trunk" Williams: "I haven't been to the gym in about four weeks. I think my trainer's upset about that. And I had a Snickers the other day. I don't know how I stay so fit."...Kim's dad Leo Clijsters, insinuating that Justine Henin-Hardenne is illegally bulking up: "You want me to tell you why Justine is beating Kim regularly? Because her muscle mass has doubled and she now has an arm like Serena's." Huh?

Most Embarrassing: The American Tennis Masters Cup
Is it any mystery why Americans can't understand why other countries' citizens find them so offensive, case in point, millionaire Masters Cup promoter Jim "Mattress Mac" McIngvale? At the international event celebrating the best in men's tennis, McIngvale drapes the place with American flags, dons an American flag shirt, and openly roots against the non-American players. Money can buy you ATP tournaments, but apparently not class.
Runners-up: That JP Morgan Chase suit calling Justine Henin-Hardenne "Christine" during the trophy presentation at the US Open (thanks for being a fan of the game)...Jennifer Capriati requesting the profane 1999 Outkast song "Bombs Over Baghdad" to be played during her match warm-up at the Nasdaq-100 Open: "I like the song, and I wanted to support the troops."...The ATP, realizing it has been playing dope dealer, announcing that player Bohdan Ulihrach's two-year suspension, fine and loss of ranking points were dismissed, and giving Ulihrach a big back-room settlement...ATP CEO Mark Miles pissing off the ITF and the management companies with boycott talk, and players getting pressure from all sides, including their own clothing companies, to stop a boycott...Michael Chang Farewell Tour...Anna Kournikova's horrible stint as a roving reporter for USA Network at the US Open, quitting after saying she didn't like quizzing fellow players, and was eating too much while roaming around the US Open grounds...Jimmy Connors' name spelled "Jimmy Conners" on the big screen just before a video tribute to him at the US Open (Go USTA!).

Biggest Tour Screw-Up: ATP Drug Scandal
The ATP unknowingly hands out illegal substances to players through the ATP trainers, who believe they are giving players untainted "supplements." The ATP then reverses their ban on player Bohdan Ulihrach, and then pay him a likely seven-figure settlement so he won't sue them. Nice drug policy.
Runners-up: Larry Scott -- The new WTA Tour CEO announces, during another heinous WTA Championships at the STAPLES Center in L.A., that the event will be hightailing it out of there after 2004. Problem was, this was news to the big tournament sponsors, who were not amused to be hearing it second-hand. Screw-up, or calculated announcement, as some contend? We lean toward the former...The ATP publicly approaching the ITF with a request for $50 million to help defray tour costs, only to be laughed at.

Biggest Disappearance: Tommy Haas
Everyone thought shoulder surgery would have done the trick, but the German, scheduled to be back in March, was slow to recover and ended up not making an appearance on tour in 2003. From former No. 2 to only hitting balls underwater in Pacific Life commercials. Expected to return in January 2004.
Runners-up: Thomas Johansson, the 2002 Australian Open winner didn't hit a ball in 2003 with shoulder problems; Tommy the J. is expected to be back in January 2004...The International Men's Tennis Association (IMTA) movement, designed to represent players' interests separate from the ATP but has been off the radar since Wimbledon...The quality level at the Tennis Masters Series events, which the top players skip out on regularly now since there is no longer a year-end bonus money penalty...The WTA Tour's "Get In Touch With Your Feminine Side" marketing campaign...Williams sisters decided the season ended after Wimbledon.

Biggest Genius: Brad Gilbert
This hurts to admit, Brad Gilbert back on the scene (as opposed to his garden), taking Andy Roddick under his wing midway through 2003. Now he's like Mastercard, everywhere you don't want him to be, and a coaching legend in guiding Andre Agassi and now Roddick to No. 1.
Runner-up: Roger Federer -- while other players have a few weapons in their arsenal, the Swiss has every tool in the toolbox at his disposal.

Best Press Conference: Ivan Ljubicic, US Open
The Croatian loses to Andy Roddick, then unleashes his fury on the American in the post-match conference: "I mean, generally, I don't like him. I mean, not me, nobody in the locker room like his acting on the court...He doesn't respect the others, that's all what I can say." The ATP subsequently goes into Furious Spin Mode, Ljubicic gives Andy some late-night phone calls in an attempt to patch things up, Ljubicic speaks at a press conference on the issue the next day, and now they're the best of friends. Well, not really.

Most Missed: Venus Williams
Going from No. 1 to "perpetual second banana" behind Serena to "hampered by injury" then "off the tour" was a quick downward spiral for the once-dominating older sister. Stop taking it easy on little sis and get that killer instinct back. As Serena has morphed from likable to annoyingly stuck on herself, Venus morphed from hard-nosed world-beater to philosophical dress-designing softie. You've let Serena have her moment -- come back Venus.
Runners-up: Martina Hingis -- that bitchy little Swiss with the exacting chess-like game would be a nice addition to the current WTA mix...Richard Krajicek -- another exciting serve-and-volley game goes by the wayside...Pete Sampras -- with his personality you may not know that he's gone, but you have to give it up for arguably the greatest player the game has seen, the "Michael Jordan" of tennis...Anna Kournikova -- with all the press she still gets you may not know she is not playing tournaments with the bad back, but the WTA needs the veteran cheesecake back on court to guide the up-and-coming Russian hotties in the ways of Internet branding.

Most Full-of-Self: Serena Williams
Before injury cut short the American's year, Serena was atop the WTA Rankings, and revealed that the only person that could beat her was...well, herself. "Yeah, I think that's definitely a hundred percent accurate. I mean, all the matches I've lost I've pretty much beaten myself. It's not like I went out and did everything I could have done and played great, was just amazing. Whenever I lose, it's not because the girl I lost to just played an outstanding match; it's normally because I'm making 80 errors, just not doing the things I need to do. So I think that's a very accurate statement." Serena also commented on women's tennis with her and sister Venus being injured: "Without us, it's a little dry."

Congratulations to all our winners, the plaques are in the mail, or stop by the main office. See you in 2004.

Yonge
12-08-2003, 02:29 PM
Thanks for the article, Bunk18bsb. I enjoyed it thoroughly.
Just one thing: I think Richard Vach has forgotten about Albert Costa's run at Roland Garros when he awards Hewiit with "Best Comeback in a Match". I could have easily picked any comebacks Costa did from 2 sets down. The Hewitt-Federer match was still good however. :)

Deboogle!.
12-08-2003, 04:31 PM
well Henman's win in Paris wasn't a comeback the way they were talking I think. I think they meant one single match (like Hewitt was down 2-0 sets against Fed and came back to win - same with Andy)... I don't think they meant comeback in terms of someone who was gone and then reappeared in 2003.

joske
12-08-2003, 04:53 PM
LOOOOOL That article is great!
I've laughed my a** off with some parts of it hehe, but yeah I agree with most statements.. Pooor Kim :rolleyes: But best match, sorry to the ATP-only fans, but the JuJu vs. Jennie From The Block in the US Open semis was my match of the year... Seeing Jen choke was.. nice :devil: (even though I'm not the biggest of all Henin fans.. I'm a Kim-boy ;) ) *sorry Jen fans*

MisterQ
12-08-2003, 05:04 PM
LOL at Kim's quote! haha She out-capriatied Capriati there!

I know Kim is good friends with Jen, but maybe they have been chatting too often.

Sjengster
12-08-2003, 07:06 PM
I still maintain that the AO final was worse than the RG final, but then I suppose they couldn't have the best and worst matches of the year from the same tournament. Verkerk was actually up a break on Ferrero at one stage, which is closer than Schuettler ever came to winning a set off Agassi. And I am the only one who thinks that Coria in the final wouldn't necessarily have been a much better match? Sure, he wouldn't have got waxed 1, 3 and 2, but to envisage him beating Ferrero and ending the year no. 1 is a little far-fetched.

Allez-H˛
12-08-2003, 07:30 PM
I think,you know,that this atricle is,like,you know,I mean,it's like,I think,really great and stuff.

BTW:you know

Sjengster
12-08-2003, 07:32 PM
I think,you know,that this atricle is,like,you know,I mean,it's like,I think,really great and stuff.

BTW:you know

Meanwhile, I fervently believe that the article has maintained a good physical and mental level that has allowed it to express itself fully on court.

Just redressing the balance in terms of Belgian mockery. ;)

Allez-H˛
12-08-2003, 07:41 PM
Meanwhile, I fervently believe that the article has maintained a good physical and mental level that has allowed it to express itself fully on court.

Just redressing the balance in terms of Belgian mockery. ;)
Are you by any chance Dutch ;)

J. Corwin
12-08-2003, 07:50 PM
LOL! at, you know, that Kimmy quote

WyverN
12-08-2003, 09:32 PM
That guy really doesnt like Kafelnikov lol

Deboogle!.
12-08-2003, 09:47 PM
tennis-x doesn't like a lot of people lol

Chloe le Bopper
12-09-2003, 01:03 AM
That Kim quote is rather unfortunate. She's not a stupid girl, but jeez... she's not winning herself any IQ points with that one ;)

Action Jackson
12-09-2003, 05:10 AM
Thanks for the tennis-x article, and I think they were being too kind overall.

You know the winners of the awards were you know very deserved winners, but you know to say that Coria would have beaten Ferrero and become number 1 you know, wasn't the best opinion that they came up with, maybe you know Coria has friends at that tennis-x and you know they decided to give him some more positive spin you know.

Chloe le Bopper
12-09-2003, 05:30 AM
I think that he threw the Coria bit in to be edgy. Sort of a "let's throw this one out there and let people have fun with it" type of comment.

J. Corwin
12-09-2003, 07:08 AM
Ok I doubted myself so I went to the ATP site to check out the final race points of the year. How in the world would Coria be year end #1 had he won RG?

He has semifinalist points (90 points), which means had he won RG he would he would have gained 110 points. But Roddick is much farther ahead in CR points than that difference. And Roddick flamed out the 1st round so he wouldn't be affected by Coria going from SF to Win.

So what is this writer on? Or am I misunderstanding his point?

Tricky_Forehand
12-09-2003, 07:35 AM
:haha: That article was hilarious for the most part. That Kim quote made me severely cringe though :p . I've avoided listening to Jen's interviews because of that you know constant you know. :rolleyes:

And that comment about Yevgeny. Poor guy. :sad:

Deboogle!.
12-09-2003, 02:47 PM
Ok I doubted myself so I went to the ATP site to check out the final race points of the year. How in the world would Coria be year end #1 had he won RG?

He has semifinalist points (90 points), which means had he won RG he would he would have gained 110 points. But Roddick is much farther ahead in CR points than that difference. And Roddick flamed out the 1st round so he wouldn't be affected by Coria going from SF to Win.

So what is this writer on? Or am I misunderstanding his point?

Jace I took it as more of a "if he'd won the whole year would've been different for Coria" type thing... like if he'd won RG maybe he'd have had other better results other places, that type of thing. :shrug: dunno

Sjengster
12-09-2003, 05:49 PM
Ah, but that's only the WTA players - Henman is the ATP King of the "you knows." Read any transcript of his interview and every single sentence, every breath, is punctuated by those two magic words. And it sounds much funnier in his bland estuary English voice than Clijsters' jaunty Flemish tone does, because he's taking himself so seriously. "I think, you know, definitely I want to maintain the level of my performance, you know, and continue serving well, you know, because I've always maintained, you know, that one day I will win this tournament. Yeah, definitely, you know."

Lady
12-09-2003, 06:05 PM
I think,you know,that this atricle is,like,you know,I mean,it's like,I think,really great and stuff.

BTW:you know

Hello, AllezJuju!! :wavey: :kiss:
Nice to see you here!! ;)

That Kim's quote is just :haha:

And I didn't understand about Coria being #1 as well :confused:

Plus I think to be Player Of The Year Justine deserve more!! :D But I'm biased :angel:

J. Corwin
12-09-2003, 07:33 PM
Jace I took it as more of a "if he'd won the whole year would've been different for Coria" type thing... like if he'd won RG maybe he'd have had other better results other places, that type of thing. :shrug: dunno

Yea I suppose. But that's ignorant way of thinking. But whatever...meh.

J. Corwin
12-09-2003, 07:36 PM
Ah, but that's only the WTA players - Henman is the ATP King of the "you knows." Read any transcript of his interview and every single sentence, every breath, is punctuated by those two magic words. And it sounds much funnier in his bland estuary English voice than Clijsters' jaunty Flemish tone does, because he's taking himself so seriously. "I think, you know, definitely I want to maintain the level of my performance, you know, and continue serving well, you know, because I've always maintained, you know, that one day I will win this tournament. Yeah, definitely, you know."

Timmy? Surely a classy, educated Brit can do better than that (or at least that's what I've expect of him). I haven't really paid attention to his interviews.

I speak with tongue-in-cheek lest you jump on me.

Sjengster
12-09-2003, 08:44 PM
You must be joking - Tim "Nah, I don't like reading, it's boring" Henman? (Although in fairness he's hardly the only one, sportsmen of all kinds have a famed dislike of overly intellectual pursuits.) Anyway 1jackson, you'd better, you know, read some of his interviews, you know, because definitely, you know, they're there. All over the place, you know. I should point out that he also has quite an entertaining dry sense of humour (which is why he's such good mates with Todd Martin, they're similar in that department) which is also apparent in his interviews.

Deboogle!.
12-09-2003, 09:05 PM
OK I just found Tim's press conference archives... lol you guys are right lolol

Perhaps not quite as bad as Kim.....

Q. Can you comment on the finesse part of his game, the kick serves?

TIM HENMAN: I wouldn't quite call that finesse. You know, he used his game very well tonight. You know, he did make some changes from the match in Washington. I don't know what his first-serve percentage was, but he served very, very well. When you've got a weapon like that, and you're backing it up with a big forehand, it's very tough to play against. You know, I had my chance. I needed to get something out of the second set. You know, when he came through that second set, it was going to be an uphill struggle.
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Q. How close do you think you were tonight, in your own mind?

TIM HENMAN: The second set, yeah, is key. You know, the first set, I certainly was finding my feet a little bit. You know, I felt like my game was very close to making life awkward for him. You know, that's why it was going to be so critical. At one set all, I think it's anyone's match. At two sets to love, Andy's confidence is only going in one direction. You know, I had very few opportunities on his serve. His service games were going quicker and quicker. But if it had been a set all, then perhaps he starts to feel a little bit more pressure.
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Q. The actual level of participation from the crowd and the expectation, is it getting bigger every year?

TIM HENMAN: I think, you know, the crowd support has always been pretty incredible here. But, you know, they choose their moments, as well. You know, getting pretty late there. Everyone's eager to finish the match off. You know, they gave me such a lift. You know, it's a pleasure to play in an atmosphere like that. But, you know, with regards to expectations, I don't think they've changed.
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Ok that's enough. lol

J. Corwin
12-09-2003, 11:06 PM
Evidence. Good solid evidence. Thanks detective Deb. (ooo..nice ring to it)

Deboogle!.
12-09-2003, 11:28 PM
Evidence. Good solid evidence. Thanks detective Deb. (ooo..nice ring to it)

lol I live to serve ;)

Chloe le Bopper
12-09-2003, 11:59 PM
Yea I suppose. But that's ignorant way of thinking. But whatever...meh.
How is it an ignorant way of thinking to suggest that had a player won a slam, the rest of their results might have improved as well? Winning a slam will do wonders for the confidence, one woudl think, thus such an assumption makes perfect sense.

And I repeat what I said before - I don't believe he intended to be taken dead serious on that comment. He just threw it out there so that people would blah blah blah over it, just like you guys are.

Leo
12-10-2003, 12:49 AM
Oh, that's right, Roddick had a better year than Henin. Silly me, here I was thinking that 2 Slams are greater than 1, 8 tournament wins are greater than 6, and that never losing in a tournament before the quarterfinals is some great achievement. Thankfully this tennis writer has set me straight.

WyverN
12-10-2003, 01:05 AM
Oh, that's right, Roddick had a better year than Henin. Silly me, here I was thinking that 2 Slams are greater than 1, 8 tournament wins are greater than 6, and that never losing in a tournament before the quarterfinals is some great achievement. Thankfully this tennis writer has set me straight.

The depth on the men's tour is far higher then on the women's. Once Williams X 2 pulled out of the US Open it was almost obvious Henin would win.

Leo
12-10-2003, 01:26 AM
The depth on the men's tour is far higher then on the women's. Once Williams X 2 pulled out of the US Open it was almost obvious Henin would win.

So? Henin still won the French with a full field - Williams Sisters included. And the fact that some other top players were injured still don't tarnish her achievements or over all consistency, imo.

Whatever, it's not worth arguing because this writer is clearly biased.

Shy
12-10-2003, 01:31 AM
With the Williams or not, Justine probably had the best year,better year than anybody else. So,I consider her the best.

WyverN
12-10-2003, 04:19 AM
So? Henin still won the French with a full field - Williams Sisters included. And the fact that some other top players were injured still don't tarnish her achievements or over all consistency, imo.

Whatever, it's not worth arguing because this writer is clearly biased.

All I am saying is the writer of the article is stupid for choosing the best player out of both female and male players instead of the best female player and the best male player. Tennis achievements between males and females can not be compared.

Deboogle!.
12-10-2003, 04:33 AM
guys, it's tennis-x.com have you ever read anything they write? For the record they usually diss Andy a lot so it's not like they love him like PMac or something.

Deboogle!.
12-10-2003, 04:36 AM
Achievements between males and females can not be compared.


As for this comment... I am just speechless. And that doesn't happen very often.

WyverN
12-10-2003, 04:54 AM
As for this comment... I am just speechless. And that doesn't happen very often.

And why is that?

Obviously you can not compare tennis achievements of males and females due to the greater depth in men's tennis.

In women's tennis you have a huge drop off after around #15 while in men's tennis even #150 is competetive.

Geez how about thinking about the context I said it in before jumping to sexist conclusions. Although thinking doesn't happen much around here.

JeLuliA88
12-10-2003, 07:36 AM
Hewitt - Best comeback of the year????
*cough* *cough*

oh and kim's quote was hilarious, but it must have been really embarrassing for her. What's up with some of the European players anyway??? Saying 'you know' after every 3 words, ferrero and federer are great examples, just take a read at their press conferences. it's funny thou.

J. Corwin
12-10-2003, 09:13 AM
Obviously you can not compare tennis achievements of males and females due to the greater depth in men's tennis.

In women's tennis you have a huge drop off after around #15 while in men's tennis even #150 is competetive.

I agree with that. You just can't compare mens and womens tennis in terms of achievements. Notice how all the men's legends on average have only won half the amount of slams the women have won. Pete's 14 slams is considered by many to be a greater achievement than Steffi's 22 or Martina N's 18.

No sexist insinuation implied.

Experimentee
12-10-2003, 11:23 AM
I still maintain that the AO final was worse than the RG final, but then I suppose they couldn't have the best and worst matches of the year from the same tournament. Verkerk was actually up a break on Ferrero at one stage, which is closer than Schuettler ever came to winning a set off Agassi. And I am the only one who thinks that Coria in the final wouldn't necessarily have been a much better match? Sure, he wouldn't have got waxed 1, 3 and 2, but to envisage him beating Ferrero and ending the year no. 1 is a little far-fetched.

I agree. That bit was just full of shit. Even if the racquet throwing incident was the reason Coria lost, which I dont believe it was for a second, Coria would not have put up a better fight than Verkerk. He's never even taken more than 3 games in a set off Ferrero before, and considering he isnt the best in big occasions like a Grand Slam final I'm willing to bet he would have done even worse than Verkerk did.

joske
12-10-2003, 11:54 AM
oh and kim's quote was hilarious, but it must have been really embarrassing for her. What's up with some of the European players anyway??? Saying 'you know' after every 3 words, ferrero and federer are great examples, just take a read at their press conferences. it's funny thou.

lol so true...
But you know, even if English is the modern lingua franca (like Latin has been for a long time) I think it's strange that players that aren't very fluent in English are "laughed at" -okay it's a bit exaggerated, but still- more easily than eg. native speakers of English who don't speak a word of French or Spanish (which are world languages as well..)

-not criticizing Aussies, Brits or Americans of course.. but worth thinking abou imo-

Deboogle!.
12-10-2003, 01:40 PM
Geez how about thinking about the context I said it in before jumping to sexist conclusions. Although thinking doesn't happen much around here.

How about explaining what you mean clearly on an issue that might get some people riled up?

You edited your post, it did not originally say "Tennis achievements" it only said "Achievements".... nice one though.

MisterQ
12-10-2003, 02:00 PM
lol so true...
But you know, even if English is the modern lingua franca (like Latin has been for a long time) I think it's strange that players that aren't very fluent in English are "laughed at" -okay it's a bit exaggerated, but still- more easily than eg. native speakers of English who don't speak a word of French or Spanish (which are world languages as well..)

-not criticizing Aussies, Brits or Americans of course.. but worth thinking abou imo-

Don't worry, joske, some of our American players cannot speak English much better than the Belgians!

I don't think there's anything malicious in the laughing, personally. Kim's statement was pretty poorly constructed even if you take out the "you knows!" It was stream-of-consciousness --- almost cubist! lol

star
12-10-2003, 02:06 PM
Probalby Kim hangs out with sloppy English speakers too much. Didn't she go to a basketball game with Jen??

I don't know how Kim sounds in her native language but in English she speaks like a freight train careening down the tracks. It's sooooo fast I have trouble keeping up. :)

It's just one of the many lovely things about her.

Deboogle!.
12-10-2003, 02:14 PM
Probalby Kim hangs out with sloppy English speakers too much. Didn't she go to a basketball game with Jen??

I don't know how Kim sounds in her native language but in English she speaks like a freight train careening down the tracks. It's sooooo fast I have trouble keeping up. :)

It's just one of the many lovely things about her.

lol star, yea they've both said they're friendly. And omg she DOES talk really fast? And it's sorta high-pitchy and stuff, very cute lol

Allez-H˛
12-10-2003, 02:33 PM
Probalby Kim hangs out with sloppy English speakers too much. Didn't she go to a basketball game with Jen??

I don't know how Kim sounds in her native language but in English she speaks like a freight train careening down the tracks. It's sooooo fast I have trouble keeping up. :)

It's just one of the many lovely things about her.
She talks really fast in Dutch too,you know.But the funny thing is:she comes from the provence of Limburg and the people down there are known for there really sloooooow way of talking.Guess that doesn't count for Kim.

MisterQ
12-10-2003, 03:00 PM
I would love to see Kim on speed, or crack, or 5 shots of espresso! Woooooeeee!

Allez-H˛
12-10-2003, 03:27 PM
I would love to see Kim on speed, or crack, or 5 shots of espresso! Woooooeeee!
I don't think she would survive.I mean look what's happening to her when she perfectly healthy and not taking anything.

Kiara
12-10-2003, 03:40 PM
she might explode!!

heya
12-10-2003, 04:17 PM
yeaaaah There's helium and hydrogen!
lalala *boom*

joske
12-10-2003, 04:24 PM
She talks really fast in Dutch too,you know.But the funny thing is:she comes from the provence of Limburg and the people down there are known for there really sloooooow way of talking.Guess that doesn't count for Kim.

It's funny isn't it? I've thought about that too...
And yeah, her English is AT LEAST as fast as her Dutch.. lol
People from her home-province sometimes talk so slow that they are frequently portraited as enormously stupid people by the rest of the country.. But I think they're the nicest folk Belgium has to offer... :) LIMBURG ROCKS

Allez-H˛
12-10-2003, 05:13 PM
LIMBURG ROCKS
YEAH, LIMBURG ON TOP OF THE WORLD WOOOHOOO

J. Corwin
12-10-2003, 06:17 PM
The Williams sisters have always been very composed and fluent in their interviews.

Kiara
12-10-2003, 06:34 PM
ditto Agassi, always to the point

WyverN
12-11-2003, 05:53 AM
How about explaining what you mean clearly on an issue that might get some people riled up?

You edited your post, it did not originally say "Tennis achievements" it only said "Achievements".... nice one though.

Oh sorry for forgetting the need to spell everything out.

So silly of me to not realise that "achievements between males and females can not be compared" can be interpreted as some sexist statement even though it was posted on a tennis forum in a thread where the achievements of Roddick and Henin were being compared. :rolleyes:

Deboogle!.
12-11-2003, 01:35 PM
Yes and sorry that females (at least this one) are more senstitive to comments like that, WHATEVER the context might be.

joske
12-11-2003, 02:46 PM
wowwwwwww battle of the sexes !!! :D :D :D

if there's war between the sexes, then there'd be no people left.. ~ Tori Amos :cool:

MisterQ
12-11-2003, 02:49 PM
LOL, great Tori Amos quote!

joske
12-11-2003, 03:05 PM
Ye Tori rocks... Hmmmmm :scratch: I wonder what it would look like if she and JC had kids **although she's like half a generation older than him :rolleyes: **..... Those lil' fellas would kick ass if you ask me tho :lick: :lol:

hahaha, they'd be like Andy & Mandy, but with class :p