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Athens 2004

oxy
12-07-2003, 05:08 PM
Jus curious....how will players be selected to represent their country in the Olympics....is there like a quota to how many players can represent their country?? are they gonna use the rankings system?? are points included in the final ranking points???

oh yah btw...who has won an olympic tennis medal for their country???

Deboogle!.
12-07-2003, 05:18 PM
I'm pretty sure they worked it out so that now the Olympics ARE worth points - I think I read 80CR points but that could be wrong.

Yonge
12-07-2003, 05:30 PM
You can check them out here at the official website of the Olympic Movement: http://www.olympic.org/uk/athletes/results/search_r_uk.asp

Defending Champs from Sydney 2000:

Men's Singles: Russia: Kafelnikov (2nd- Germany: Haas, 3rd- France: Di Pasquale)

Ladies' Singles: USA: Venus Williams (2nd- Russia: Dementieva, 3rd- USA: Seles)

Men's Doubles: Canada: Lareau/ Nestor (2nd-Australia: Woodforde/ Woodbridge, 3rd- Spain: Corretja/ Costa)

Ladies' Doubles: USA: Venus/ Serena (2nd- Netherlands: Boogert/ Oremans, 3rd- Belgium: Van Roost/ Callens)

Kiara
12-07-2003, 05:31 PM
Kafel... won a gold in 2000 for Russia and Haas the silver for Germany, Agassi won in Atlanta for USA and if im not mistaken Marc Rosset won in Barcelona
my question is is there a bronze medal awarded??

Deboogle!.
12-07-2003, 05:33 PM
yep there's a bronze medal match - it'd be like the losers from the two semifinals would play each other for the bronze.

Yonge
12-07-2003, 05:33 PM
....my question is is there a bronze medal awarded??

yes, there is.

Kiara
12-07-2003, 05:39 PM
and didnt Stefan Edberg have an olympic win in '88?I cant remember

Kiara
12-07-2003, 05:40 PM
yep there's a bronze medal match - it'd be like the losers from the two semifinals would play each other for the bronze.
thanks

jtipson
12-07-2003, 06:01 PM
Yep, 88 gold medal winners were Edberg and Graf (the Golden Slam year).

J. Corwin
12-07-2003, 07:27 PM
Interesting.

star
12-07-2003, 07:28 PM
For the record, and then I will go away. I hate tennis being part of the Olympics. I wish it weren't.

Deboogle!.
12-07-2003, 07:57 PM
lol star... you never explained why

star
12-07-2003, 07:58 PM
It is the whole bastardization of the Olympics. For some sports the Olympics is the biggest event possible. For baskeball, baseball, tennis, soccer, etc. It's not.

Deboogle!.
12-07-2003, 08:08 PM
aha gotcha

Kiara
12-07-2003, 08:11 PM
i like the idea of the golden slam though

J. Corwin
12-07-2003, 08:14 PM
Well it should be a big event. I don't see why not. I think the ATP will give the Olympics a fairly decided amount of points with respect to how big the event is. It won't award it 200 points like a slam, or 150 points possible like a Masters Cup. Like Deb said...maybe 80 points for its size?

I happen to believe that Steffi's '88 "Golden Slam" is overrated. It's a great achievement of course, but winning the extra Olympics medal isn't something that extra special compared to just winning the Grand Slam, IMO.

faboozadoo15
12-07-2003, 08:15 PM
i kind of agree... but for some tennis players, the olympics is HUGE. some would take a gold medal over a slam... just not in the us.

faboozadoo15
12-07-2003, 08:17 PM
plus i think its important to have every international sport at one event every four years... plus some tennis players wouldn't want to miss out... the olympics (if im not mistaken) has also brought more attention to tennis (especially in russia) bc players want to win medals sometimes more than the slams.

J. Corwin
12-07-2003, 08:18 PM
Point taken. The prestige is high, the quality of field is Tier 2-esque for the women, at least that's what I've heard.

Kiara
12-07-2003, 08:22 PM
yeah i think it's the idea of being a medallist that is so appealing

Deboogle!.
12-07-2003, 08:23 PM
All I know is that if I were an athlete, I'd want to win an Olympic medal over anything else.

Kiara
12-07-2003, 08:23 PM
plus, it's a chance to play for your country and you only get to do it once every 4 years

Kiara
12-07-2003, 08:29 PM
Tour points for Olympics agreed



Tour points are likely to pull in big name players


Medals and tour points will be up for grabs in the Sydney 2000 Olympics men's tennis under a new deal which could extend to the women's event.
The agreement between the International Tennis Federation and the Association of Tennis Professionals, with the consent of the International Olympic Committee, was sealed following months of negotiations.


ITF president Francesco Ricci Bitti said: "This agreement is a major breakthrough for Olympic tennis and highlights that the Olympic tennis event has an important position on the tennis calendar."
Talks are still in progress to strike a similar deal with the women's tour.

The number of men permitted to compete in the singles for each nation will now be raised from three to four to accomodate big names like American Pete Sampras, who says he wants to concentrate on regaining his world number one slot.

ATP chief executive Mark Miles said additional points for the Olympics will be particularly valuable at the end of the season when the Champions' Race - the name for the new ranking system - is coming to a head.

The gold medal will earn a player 80 points - 20 less than allocated for winning a Tennis Master Series tournament. Silver wins 56 points and bronze 41.

The top-48 direct acceptances for the Olympics' 64-man draw will be based on ATP rankings. Eight of the 16 remaining wild card places will also be based on rankings as they stand after Wimbledon in July.

Countries will be able to enter a doubles team if it is ranked in the top 20.

jtipson
12-07-2003, 08:31 PM
I think in tennis you're remembered for Grand Slams most of all, rather than Olympic medals, so if it were me, I'd prefer a GS win. But tennis has only been back in the Olympics for 20 years, so it may change.

The ITF have some info on the Athens Olympics, though it doesn't say how many CR/Entry points can be earned. The link in the ATP calendar fails though :-(

...I see you got to it quicker than I did, carrot :-)

joske
12-07-2003, 08:31 PM
Yeah I don't know... I wouldn't mind and I agree on the opportunity for some countries too.. But the tennis season being as tiring as it is already, I don't know if many players even want to participate... But yeah, I see your point, it definitely makes sense. It being the OLYMPICS and all... That's like the holiest period for MOST sports (but not necessarily tennis I think, although it should be that way bc tennis is a BIG sport *becoming even bigger in some parts of the world eg Asia (or so I've heard.. I couldn't know :) *

J. Corwin
12-07-2003, 08:32 PM
Thanks for the article.

star
12-07-2003, 08:34 PM
All I know is that if I were an athlete, I'd want to win an Olympic medal over anything else.

I think if you were a baseball player you'd want a World Series ring a lot more. And you will never convince me that winning a gold medal at the Olympics is anything comparable to winning any of the Slams.

Plus, I think all of these professional athletes compete more for themselves than for their countries. They don't live at the olympic village....... you know... basically they are slumming at the olympics.

Kiara
12-07-2003, 08:39 PM
you're right jtipson here is the itf link:
http://www.tennisireland.ie/olympic.pdf

undomiele
12-07-2003, 08:56 PM
I think if you were a baseball player you'd want a World Series ring a lot more. And you will never convince me that winning a gold medal at the Olympics is anything comparable to winning any of the Slams.

I agree. There isn't a single soccer player in the world who would prefer winning at the Olympics over the World Cup I think. ;)

Kiara
12-07-2003, 09:18 PM
i agree that a grandslam victory would probably take precedence over an olympic gold in a sport like tennis unlike in a something like athletics where winning a gold would be the utmost triumph both for you in terms of your accomplishments as an individual athlete and for your country.....i dont know where im going with this so ill stop now :)

Deboogle!.
12-07-2003, 09:41 PM
team sports are way different from individual sports. I guess I meant that if I were an athlete who did something like tennis, skating, gymnastics, diving, swimming, whatever.... I'd want an Olympic medal. But that's ME and it's a good thing everyone doesn't think like me ;)

WyverN
12-07-2003, 10:17 PM
So are all the big guns participating?

Havok
12-07-2003, 10:23 PM
you would have to think that all the big guns will participtae, unless they have good reasons (injury, things like that) and not an excuse ala Clijsters:rolleyes:

Deboogle!.
12-07-2003, 10:25 PM
gosh I hope so...

heya
12-07-2003, 10:27 PM
I'd want a gold medal more than a Davis Cup trophy.
A slam is equal in importance for me 'cuz it's
also an individual thing.
In DC, it seems like too much stress because 1 loss
is a burden for the team.

Chloe le Bopper
12-07-2003, 11:09 PM
So are all the big guns participating?
I would assume so? The timing of it is iffy though... it will be interesting to see how the Toronto and Cincy fields are effected by this, and who shows up to the USO fresh. Take somebody like Roddick, for example, who is likely to go far in all three tournaments (Fed too). Didn't seem to bother him that much this year, mind you, but this is like adding another Masters Series on top of that.

I assume that the top Spaniards will play, as will the top Argies... Coria has mentioned the Olympics as one of his main goals, on several occasions.

What is the deal for selection, though? Does it go strictly by the rankings?

WyverN
12-07-2003, 11:41 PM
Yes, top 2 from each country and I think they must have made themselves available for Davis Cup the year before (unless they changed the rules).
So Andre for example will not be able to play but he probably wouldnt want to as he already has a gold medal.

Action Jackson
12-08-2003, 05:18 AM
Actually Stefan Edberg won in 84 when it was a demonstration event and not in 88.Miloslav Mecir won in 88.

Last time in Sydney if a country had more than 2 players in the top 50, then they were able to send more players.

Example in Sydney 2000 Alex Corretja,
Albert Costa, Juan Carlos Ferrero and Fernando Vicente played singles for Spain. Sweden had Johansson, Tillstrom, Norman and Vinci in the singles I assume it might be the same this time around.

As it's being played on clay many of the claycourt players will show up given the opportunity. I am not sure that it should be in the Games, though I have seen some very good matches in the tournament and there were some great reactions from people winning medals. Also it gives them an excuse to check out the other events as well while they are there.

Chloe le Bopper
12-08-2003, 05:35 AM
It's actually being played on hardcourts. Apparently they initially planned to do it on clay, but there was some protest due to the time of year..?

Action Jackson
12-08-2003, 05:44 AM
Thanks for that correction Rebecca.

I wonder which bunch of whiners protested about it? Actually Barcelona was the only recent one to be played on clay.

Playing hardcourt in Athens at that time of the year with the smog, heat and humidity should lead to some interesting results. Yes, it's consistently hotter in Athens than the other places they would be playing at this time of the year.

Chloe le Bopper
12-08-2003, 06:15 AM
I'm not sure who made the protest. If I'm not mistaken, the Olympics fall between the two MS (perhaps even during Cincy?) and the USO. So I can understand the complaints, whoever was making.

It will be on clay again if Madrid gets 2012 :p

Action Jackson
12-08-2003, 06:31 AM
It starts on Aug 9 after Cincy, it's a 64 man draw and they are playing in Sopot at the same time. After the Olympics then it's Washington, Long Island then the US Open.

Even though there was a lot of dodgy dealings with Madrid it would be better to have it there than NY or London. Then again the IOC aren't known as the most ethical organisation.

P.S I have come aboard the tenniscult

Chloe le Bopper
12-08-2003, 06:55 AM
It starts on Aug 9 after Cincy, it's a 64 man draw and they are playing in Sopot at the same time. After the Olympics then it's Washington, Long Island then the US Open.

Even though there was a lot of dodgy dealings with Madrid it would be better to have it there than NY or London. Then again the IOC aren't known as the most ethical organisation.

P.S I have come aboard the tenniscult
Glad to hear it (re: the cult). We're a bit dead during the offseason, so bear with us :p

Deboogle!.
12-08-2003, 02:25 PM
Does anyone know how the Olympics rankings points will be counted? Will it be a 19th bonus like TMC or just factored into the best 5?

Anyway... there's a whole article about why they're putting Athens on Decoturf, since it's right before the USO they want to have the same conditions so it's like a warm-up event

oxy
12-08-2003, 03:20 PM
thanx for u guys enlightment on the olympics...im sure it will be very interesting....imo i think winning an olympic gold is just as prestigious and honourable like the slams...taking part in the oldest sporting competition in the world...isn't that great.....i sure would love to do that but maybe in my next life....;)