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Rogiman
03-04-2006, 05:30 PM
Today's match should have been decided in the second set, instead the better player choked and the mentally tougher player won.

Well done, Rafa, you've now joined Nalbandian in the ownership of Roger Federer, and soon you'll get the top spot too.

I totally admire what Roger has achieved, but to be honest - right now I would give away a Slam or two if that could turn their record on its head.

Luckily, I'm not Roger.

NYCtennisfan
03-04-2006, 05:33 PM
That's a little harsh. You're speaking from emotion.

It is true though that Rafa is in his head. Fed has beaten Nalbandian 4 out of the last 5 times and destoryed him the last slam they played. It's Rafa that he can't get over.

Skyward
03-04-2006, 05:35 PM
right now I would give away a Slam or two if that could turn their record on its head.


Never. You and tourmalante are twins. ;)

Rogiman
03-04-2006, 05:42 PM
Never. You and tourmalante are twins. ;)
No, because I haven't lost my love to his tennis one bit, just disappointed.

I don't mind him losing, really, just not to Nadal.

Mechlan
03-04-2006, 05:43 PM
Nah. Don't make the loss a bigger deal than it is. I have faith that Roger will figure out a way to beat him eventually.

Doris Loeffel
03-04-2006, 05:48 PM
Well even though he lost today I myself would never treat any GS for a win today...

...and yes I still have faith in Roger too - he will figure out how to play that leftie!!

nobama
03-04-2006, 06:07 PM
Congrats for creating a really stupid thread. :retard:

landoud
03-04-2006, 06:39 PM
why are u making a big deal of it?
rafa played well and deserved the win... roger was great too but rafa was better
it is just a match and roger still amazing and we r still his fans who will never give up on him

Brianna
03-04-2006, 06:53 PM
I really think that statement is really harsh. Roger has lost a match - it happens. We have been spoilt as fans with Roger winning all the time. All the greats lose sometimes - the year is young there is alot of tennis to be played. Show some faith in Roger.

World Beater
03-04-2006, 07:30 PM
Congrats for creating a really stupid thread. :retard:

cut him some slack. He wants roger to win just as much as you do. I was also on the edge and felt disappointed when roger lost.

World Beater
03-04-2006, 07:31 PM
oh btw. rafa does hold the upper hand on roger. That is clear now.

bokehlicious
03-04-2006, 07:38 PM
I don't mind him losing, really, just not to Nadal.

Ditto :sad:

mangoes
03-04-2006, 07:49 PM
I don't mind him losing, really, just not to Nadal.

Same here :sad:

World Beater
03-04-2006, 07:50 PM
Same here :sad:

arent you a nadal fan? :confused:

mangoes
03-04-2006, 08:23 PM
arent you a nadal fan? :confused:

I do like Rafa, but Roger is my favorite player. I support Rafa against any other player but Roger. I support Roger against every other player. :D And this may be a bit crazy to admit, but I feel very sad.

World Beater
03-04-2006, 08:38 PM
I do like Rafa, but Roger is my favorite player. I support Rafa against any other player but Roger. I support Roger against every other player. :D And this may be a bit crazy to admit, but I feel very sad.

i feel angry and sad at the same time :sad: :wavey:

mangoes
03-04-2006, 08:46 PM
i feel angry and sad at the same time :sad: :wavey:

:hug:

tangerine_dream
03-04-2006, 09:09 PM
Such bitter words. :lol:

Daniel
03-04-2006, 09:10 PM
I am so angry, but at the end of the day Roger is still much bette than that leftie. Imjust dont like when Roger chokes in a match after taking the first set so easily.

Aynways, I guess we will have to pray for Roger not to play Nadal for the rest of the year :p

lucashg
03-04-2006, 09:29 PM
That's a harsh statement, but I understand you. I'll give Roger another chance before saying his ass is Nadal's property. Hope he proves many of us and the hatas wrong in IW or Miami.

I know he has such a tough time playing Nadal, but he won't be losing to him as often as people think/wish.

And yes, I don't mind him losing, really, but not to Nadal, Hewitt, Roddick, Nalbandian and Soderling. :p

Minnie
03-04-2006, 10:11 PM
I don't mind him losing, really, just not to Nadal.

I'll add my voice (or words) to this sentiment. But Nadal expresses such liking + respect for Rogi as a player and a person that its hard to stay mad + sad for long.

RogiFan88
03-04-2006, 10:50 PM
He isn't yet...

Minnie
03-04-2006, 10:51 PM
He isn't yet...

??

Rogiman
03-04-2006, 10:52 PM
I really think that statement is really harsh. Roger has lost a match - it happens. We have been spoilt as fans with Roger winning all the time. All the greats lose sometimes - the year is young there is alot of tennis to be played. Show some faith in Roger.
Again, my problem isn't with Roger losing, it's about losing to Nadal, consistently.

DONADANG
03-04-2006, 11:25 PM
Again, my problem isn't with Roger losing, it's about losing to Nadal, consistently.

Although I'm not thrilled with the heading of this thread, I agree wholeheartedly with your comment here.

It pains me to see him lose to Nadal on HARD COURT!!!!

Fedex
03-04-2006, 11:28 PM
Today's match should have been decided in the second set, instead the better player choked and the mentally tougher player won.

Well done, Rafa, you've now joined Nalbandian in the ownership of Roger Federer, and soon you'll get the top spot too.

I totally admire what Roger has achieved, but to be honest - right now I would give away a Slam or two if that could turn their record on its head.

Luckily, I'm not Roger.
1-3 is not ownership. Federer started 1-6 against Henman(and that one win was a retirement by Henman too.), 0-5 against Nalbandian, and 2-7 against Hewitt. Surely he will turn this one around too? :confused: Its more mental, than anything against Nadal.

Fedex
03-04-2006, 11:30 PM
I totally admire what Roger has achieved, but to be honest - right now I would give away a Slam or two if that could turn their record on its head.

Luckily, I'm not Roger.
I would never trade in a slam, just so Roger could have a couple wins against Nadal. Federer will have plenty of oppurtunites to beat Nadal, so I'm hardly worried.

Daniel
03-04-2006, 11:32 PM
1-3 is not ownership. Federer started 1-6 against Henman(and that one win was a retirement by Henman too.), 0-5 against Nalbandian, and 2-7 against Hewitt. Surely he will turn this one around too? :confused: Its more mental, than anything against Nadal.

yes, it is more mental, but be better get over it or Nadal will keep beating him all the time and will feed on that and will believe he is better than our Roger.

Fedex
03-04-2006, 11:35 PM
That's a harsh statement, but I understand you. I'll give Roger another chance before saying his ass is Nadal's property. Hope he proves many of us and the hatas wrong in IW or Miami.

How many slams has Rafa won, and how many has Roger won? I woulden't care if Federer was 1-50 against Nadal, because he will still end up with the better career of the two.
Honestly, this thread is just :retard: :o

Fedex
03-04-2006, 11:40 PM
I'll add my voice (or words) to this sentiment. But Nadal expresses such liking + respect for Rogi as a player and a person that its hard to stay mad + sad for long.
I dont really like the way Nadal acts on the court, but off the court he is very kind and genuine.

Peoples
03-04-2006, 11:42 PM
How many slams has Rafa won, and how many has Roger won? I woulden't care if Federer was 1-50 against Nadal, because he will still end up with the better career of the two.
Honestly, this thread is just :retard: :o
The thread is not about titles. It's about head to head.

Nadal is a very unconventional player whose style is unique. What this thread is saying is the fact that Federer's game doesn't work against Nadal. Sure, he can maybe work out a strategy and should but so far, no progress. When they meet again soon Nadal will be the favourite.

nobama
03-04-2006, 11:58 PM
Yes this thread is :retard: Especially when someone says they'd trade a slam for a positive h2h with another player. How stupid is that? Roger will have plenty of opportunities to turn around the h2h against Nadal as he has done with countless other players. And even if he doesn't, who cares. I still think he's a better player than we've seen in a long time and at this point I'd still put my money on him over Rafa to beat anyone else in the field. Neither one of them had a tough draw in Dubai. So let's see what Nadal does in IW when no doubt the draw will be tougher than it was in Dubai.

Fedex
03-05-2006, 12:10 AM
Well said, mirkaland. :)

DONADANG
03-05-2006, 12:26 AM
Yes this thread is :retard: Especially when someone says they'd trade a slam for a positive h2h with another player. How stupid is that? Roger will have plenty of opportunities to turn around the h2h against Nadal as he has done with countless other players. And even if he doesn't, who cares. I still think he's a better player than we've seen in a long time and at this point I'd still put my money on him over Rafa to beat anyone else in the field. Neither one of them had a tough draw in Dubai. So let's see what Nadal does in IW when no doubt the draw will be tougher than it was in Dubai.


I agree trading a slam for a positive h2h is plain ridiculous.

Roger had the opportunity to level the h2h today but he couldn't.

I'm still having a hard time accepting this loss especially since it puts an end to his impressive hard court winning streak.

Okay, it's Roger's turn to end Rafa's clay court winning streak!! It's only fair..

:p

Minnie
03-05-2006, 12:34 AM
I think Roger summed it all up very well himself after the match when he said (and I quote) ""We knew I would be the aggressive player and he would be the consistent player". To me that is what has been lacking in Rogi's play ... consistency. At least he recognises it ... and he won't beat Nadal unless he correct this lack of consistency at crucial times.

lunahielo
03-05-2006, 12:35 AM
Roger is nobody's bitch! :(

It's a game. Someone wins, someone loses.
Today Nadal won.
Tomorrow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~????? :)

Keep playing your beautiful game, Ninja! You're smart enough to figure him out. I think you will!

DONADANG
03-05-2006, 12:58 AM
Roger is nobody's bitch! :(

It's a game. Someone wins, someone loses.
Today Nadal won.
Tomorrow~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~????? :)

Keep playing your beautiful game, Ninja! You're smart enough to figure him out. I think you will!


I honestly think that Roger has figured him out.

This match was alot closer than his previous defeats.

Fergie
03-05-2006, 01:02 AM
Oh please Roger just retire :ras: (j/k)

Roger still needs more regularity in his game, this match should be an alarm for him

nobama
03-05-2006, 01:39 AM
Well I haven't seen any posts yet telling Roger to dump Mirka or fire Roche. So I guess that's a good sign. I just hope this fires him up to do really well in IW. I didn't buy those tickets to see Rafa fiddle with his socks or pull his pants out of his arse. :lol:

Fergie
03-05-2006, 01:53 AM
I didn't buy those tickets to see Rafa fiddle with his socks or pull his pants out of his arse. :lol:
:haha:

You'll see Rogi holding the big trophy ;)

Gulliver
03-05-2006, 01:53 AM
I've trawled a lot of threads about this one loss (God, it's produced more posts than will Agassi retire) and quite a few people IMO have turned their antipathy to Nadal (his style of tennis, attitude on court) into criticism of Federer who they think should have beaten him to a pulp on their behalf. When he didn't he choked, or Nadal was in his head. Why did he have to lose to Nadal is a very revealing question. What Federer says in his interview about lefties is informative, and the man himself seems eager to refine his strategy. What more can one ask. He was pleased that he'd at last won the 1st set against him, and the other 2 were close. He's not giving up and has the right perspective on the matter.

nobama
03-05-2006, 02:06 AM
But Roger needs to get this lefty crap out of his head. He knows what he needs to do and he came awful close today. But mentally he need to get over this 'Nadal is a lefty and therefore so different' nonsense. Once he treats Rafa like everyone else and goes out on the court thinking 'I'm gonna beat the crap out of this kid' it will happen.

Gulliver
03-05-2006, 02:12 AM
That's what he did in the first set and Nadal re grouped. Give the boy some credit, Federer was up against the #2. He was short of answers and is determined not to be next time.

Daniel
03-05-2006, 02:27 AM
But Roger needs to get this lefty crap out of his head. He knows what he needs to do and he came awful close today. But mentally he need to get over this 'Nadal is a lefty and therefore so different' nonsense. Once he treats Rafa like everyone else and goes out on the court thinking 'I'm gonna beat the crap out of this kid' it will happen.

I would love to see Roger beating the crap out of Nadal soon :D

DONADANG
03-05-2006, 02:37 AM
That's what he did in the first set and Nadal re grouped. Give the boy some credit, Federer was up against the #2. He was short of answers and is determined not to be next time.

Mirkaland is right in saying that he needs to get over the "Nadal is a lefty" nonsense. I really feel like saying to Roger that "It's just not acceptable excuse when you're playing in the final on a surface that suits you more than the lefty you're playing"

But credit to Roger for winning the first set in spetacular fashion, would love for him to keep playing that way against any opponent on any day.

rofe
03-05-2006, 04:10 AM
I just heard Roger's interview and there he goes on about how he can't deal with the lefty angles and topspin. At first, I thought - this is ridiculous. After playing Nadal four times, he is still unsure of how to play not just him but a consistent lefty player.

Then he said something that made me think some more. He said, this is the first time he has been able to win the first set against Nadal and took it as a positive.

I think that statement is interesting because Roger's plays a very calculating game and he comes up with a specific game plan based on who his opponent is. To him, playing a worthy adversary is like peeling the layers of an onion. He takes steps towards slowly taking apart his opponent's game for subsequent analysis.

He has genuinely figured out how to get ahead against Nadal in the first set, something he could not do in their previous meetings. Now he has to figure out to keep that momentum going against Nadal (who will not gift him games with a let down).

I hope they meet again at IW so that I test out my theory. :D

lsy
03-05-2006, 04:25 AM
I just heard Roger's interview and there he goes on about how he can't deal with the lefty angles and topspin. At first, I thought - this is ridiculous. After playing Nadal four times, he is still unsure of how to play not just him but a consistent lefty player.

This is just :o ...it's difficult for me to comprehend how you can't deal with that lefty angles and topspins but can come out and win the first set in that amazing way :shrug: But what do I know, I'm not in his position ;)


Then he said something that made me think some more. He said, this is the first time he has been able to win the first set against Nadal and took it as a positive.

I think that statement is interesting because Roger's plays a very calculating game and he comes up with a specific game plan based on who his opponent is. To him, playing a worthy adversary is like peeling the layers of an onion. He takes steps towards slowly taking apart his opponent's game for subsequent analysis.

He has genuinely figured out how to get ahead against Nadal in the first set, something he could not do in their previous meetings. Now he has to figure out to keep that momentum going against Nadal (who will not gift him games with a let down).

I hope they meet again at IW so that I test out my theory. :D

We'll see I can't wait till they meet again too ;)

This is going to be really interesting! Thanks Rofe, that's interesting to read.

yanchr
03-05-2006, 04:44 AM
I don't mind him losing, really, just not to Nadal.
This is also the word for me, but for your other comments, hope it was just produced out of your sheer emotion.

I sincerely think Roger has figured Nadal out. What he needs to do is to play the way he should against him consistently enough to win the match, not just one set or sth, which he failed to do consistently. I still have my faith. Let's see what happens next time when they meet. I hope it's before RG.

ExpectedWinner
03-05-2006, 06:45 AM
This is just :o ...it's difficult for me to comprehend how you can't deal with that lefty angles and topspins but can come out and win the first set in that amazing way :shrug:

I didn't see the match and can't comment on it. But I suppose it's difficult for him to deal with this lefty stuff for a prolonged period of time. In other words, the uncomfortable match up wears him down physically and/or mentally.

lsy
03-05-2006, 06:54 AM
I didn't see the match and can't comment on it. But I suppose it's difficult for him to deal with this lefty stuff for a prolonged period of time. In other words, the uncomfortable match up wears him down physically and/or mentally.

So is playing best of 5 going to be better or worse now? ;)

I just watched the first set on the live stream, it's simply unbelievable how well he was beating Nadal there, yet he managed to lose the match. :shrug: Rogi and well done Nadal indeed, after the beating in first set it does nothing to affect him mentally, that's why he is so good.

Just get him soon Rogi, I don't see why you can't really.

ExpectedWinner
03-05-2006, 07:09 AM
So is playing best of 5 going to be better or worse now? ;)



Seriously, I'm not sure. May be better- if he rests (and I mean it; Safins' tactics) 2nd and 4th set and plays 1, 3 and 5 th set his A game. ;)

Federerthebest
03-05-2006, 07:18 AM
nvm, federer will soon turn the h2h against this pig around
he just needs more practice against nadal's moonballing crap:)

lsy
03-05-2006, 07:19 AM
Seriously, I'm not sure. May be better- if he rests (and I mean it; Safins' tactics) 2nd and 4th set and plays 1, 3 and 5 th set his A game. ;)

Let's wish he really can just turn it on and off as easily as you suggest :lol:

Do you want to watch the live stream? It's still on now...if you want it's here :

http://planet.nana.co.il/livetv/GDTV.html

moonlightguard
03-05-2006, 07:48 AM
I really think that statement is really harsh. Roger has lost a match - it happens. We have been spoilt as fans with Roger winning all the time. All the greats lose sometimes - the year is young there is alot of tennis to be played. Show some faith in Roger.

Yes, I very much agree with you!! I am also rooting for some other tennis players, and it's always so disappointing to see them lose, but Roger has won most of the time (and we're so lucky for that), and so to see him lose one really hurts. However, he's not a machine (although sometimes it seems that way, lol). I will trust that Roger will keep on playing some great tennis, and will eventually win against Nadal!

SUKTUEN
03-05-2006, 09:42 AM
Shut Up!!!!!!!!!! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :armed: :armed: :armed: :armed:

Rogiman
03-05-2006, 12:24 PM
Yes this thread is :retard: Especially when someone says they'd trade a slam for a positive h2h with another player. How stupid is that? Roger will have plenty of opportunities to turn around the h2h against Nadal as he has done with countless other players. And even if he doesn't, who cares. I still think he's a better player than we've seen in a long time and at this point I'd still put my money on him over Rafa to beat anyone else in the field. Neither one of them had a tough draw in Dubai. So let's see what Nadal does in IW when no doubt the draw will be tougher than it was in Dubai.
What you're basically saying is that Roger needs someone else to beat Nadal for him...?

Well, that's plain humiliating for the world #1 player, and honestly, I wouldn't count on it either.

Rogiman
03-05-2006, 12:36 PM
Shut Up!!!!!!!!!! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :armed: :armed: :armed: :armed:
:lol:

Don't take it as a personal insult, I wouldn't trade Roger for any other player, even if he dropped to #1500, it's just too frustrating because I KNOW Roger is the better player, yet he keeps losing to him.

I wish I were as optimistic as the rest of you about Roger figuring out Rafa eventually and turning the tables, unfortunately Rafa is still young and improving and I doubt things will ever get easier.

Truth is, it's a difficult matchup for Rafa too, and he doesn't defeat Roger easily, and I guess if they meet a dozen times Roger will eventually prevail once or twice, but I'm afraid he'll lose more often than not, and yes, I see Rafa as the favorite when they meet next time.

Keep in mind, when Roger lost all those matches to Nalbandian his game was still a work in progress - and as he matured he was able to produce better results against Bandy - it's now pretty much the way it will always be (which is, of course, great), you're now seeing Roger at his supreme best, it's not like there's an extra gear he can switch to from here.

Rogiman
03-05-2006, 12:43 PM
Oh, and to Mirkaland and other posters who criticize me: fuck off, this is my way of reacting when I'm pissed off.

You want to play miss congeniality - go ahead.
I'm disappointed and I'll express my disappointment, I'm not gonna pretend I'm fine with that, that doesn't mean I support Roger less than you do.

a girl 13
03-05-2006, 01:04 PM
Rogiman :ignore: :ignore: :ignore: :ignore: :ignore: :cuckoo: :cuckoo: :cuckoo: :cuckoo: :cuckoo:

nobama
03-05-2006, 01:11 PM
Oh, and to Mirkaland and other posters who criticize me: fuck off, this is my way of reacting when I'm pissed off.

You want to play miss congeniality - go ahead.
I'm disappointed and I'll express my disappointment, I'm not gonna pretend I'm fine with that, that doesn't mean I support Roger less than you do.Chill dude. I never said you support Roger less than anyone else. But I still think this is a stupid thread. How anyone could want to trade a grand slam for a positive h2h record over another player is beyond me. :o And I don't think Roger and Rafa have played each other enough for one to be the others anything.

Brianna
03-05-2006, 03:17 PM
I would never trade in a slam, just so Roger could have a couple wins against Nadal. Federer will have plenty of oppurtunites to beat Nadal, so I'm hardly worried.
Well stated Fedex. Roger has 7 grand slam titles and there are 3 more grand slams to be played this year. No way would I trade a grand slam for a regular tour win over any player. The year is still very young, let's see how it all plays out. Nadal has a winning record over Roger right now - there is plenty of tennis to be played yet. Keep the faith. :)

RogiFan88
03-05-2006, 03:37 PM
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Check this out: (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=306301&postcount=1)

I only use this as a guide, it's not OFFICIAL or cast in stone at all! :p

Rogiman
03-05-2006, 04:01 PM
Forget A-Rod, Nadal looms as Federer's great nemesisBy Whit Sheppard
Special to ESPN.com


DUBAI, United Arab Emirates -- In the latest installment of a budding rivalry that just might reach Sampras-Agassi or Borg-McEnroe proportions one day, teenage phenom Rafael Nadal of Spain extended his mastery over world No. 1 Roger Federer, 2-6, 6-4, 6-4, Saturday in the finals of the Dubai Duty Free Men's Open.

Nadal, 19, now holds a 3-1 career advantage over the seven-time Grand Slam winner, who's widely touted to eventually surpass Pete Sampras' 14 career Grand Slams. Nadal fired an important first salvo in the battle for supremacy between the pair in 2006 in front of a crowd that included 11-time Grand Slam winner Bjorn Borg.



AP Photo/ Victor Romero
Nadal is one of two players with a winning record against Federer.
The world No. 2, winner of last year's French Open among his 11 titles in 2005, was playing in just his second tournament since injuring his left foot last October at the Madrid Masters Series tournament.

"To be out for three months with the injury and then to beat Roger is a very special thing," said Nadal. "It's unbelievable for me."

In the process, Nadal snapped Federer's 56-match winning streak on hard courts, handing him his first loss on the surface since he lost a semifinal match to Marat Safin at the 2005 Australian Open.

Men's tennis has been without a compelling rivalry since Sampras laid down his racket after his 2002 U.S. Open win over Agassi, ending a storied, 13-year rivalry with his compatriot in which Sampras finished with a 20-14 lifetime edge.

And while many in and around the game had hoped that Andy Roddick would be able to provide Federer with a worthy foil, that hoped-for rivalry has failed to take off. As Roddick said after one of his two consecutive losses to Federer in the 2004 and 2005 Wimbledon finals, "Rivalry? I've got to win one of these to make it a rivalry." Federer holds a 10-1 lifetime advantage over Roddick.

But whenever Nadal's looming on the other side of the draw from the otherwise incomparable Swiss, Federer's path to tennis immortality faces a formidable roadblock.

For his part, Nadal says all the right things in his limited but improving English. He's seemingly content to play Avis to Federer's Hertz and showered his opponent with praise after the match.

"He's the best sportsman, I think, in the world," said Nadal. "He has a lot of humble."

When asked if his thoughts were on supplanting Federer at No. 1, Nadal said he was only looking ahead to the coming week's Masters Series tournament in Indian Wells, and quite content for the moment to be No. 2 to the "unbelievable" Federer.

But it's evident that Nadal has the weaponry to disrupt the immensely talented Swiss, and a competitive will that few players exhibit so nakedly or to such advantage.

Along with his trademark shouts of "Vamos!" and his leaping fist-pump after big points, Nadal's body language at the outset of the match spoke volumes.

After the players met at the net for the coin flip that would determine who served first, Nadal sprinted back to the baseline, doing a bob-and-weave that conjured images of players sprinting through the tunnel when introduced at the Super Bowl, while Federer coolly strolled to his baseline.




Rivalry? Roger's got to win one of these to make it a rivalry.:rolleyes:

SUKTUEN
03-05-2006, 04:06 PM
Ok, please do not make Roger feel more upset

bokehlicious
03-05-2006, 04:33 PM
Rivalry? Roger's got to win one of these to make it a rivalry.:rolleyes:

Ninja lost another battle, true, but the war is not over yet, brilliant tennis will win in the end, that's the way it is.

Rogiman
03-05-2006, 04:41 PM
Ninja lost another battle, true, but the war is not over yet, brilliant tennis will win in the end, that's the way it is.
In a perfect world you'd be right :bigcry:

stebs
03-05-2006, 04:45 PM
People keep going on about how Rafa is dominating Fed. When Rafa beat him 6-3 6-3 Fed had sunstroke, simple as that.

Rafa also beat him at RG and that's life, Rafa is a great clay courter but despite that Federer had a great chance to win the 4th set and take it to a fifth.

Rafa also beat Fed yesterday but it was an extremely close match, either player could've won it and on quality of tennis throughout I would just about give the edge to Roger.

Roger is bitch to no-one.

Rogiman
03-05-2006, 04:55 PM
People keep going on about how Rafa is dominating Fed. When Rafa beat him 6-3 6-3 Fed had sunstroke, simple as that.

Rafa also beat him at RG and that's life, Rafa is a great clay courter but despite that Federer had a great chance to win the 4th set and take it to a fifth.

Rafa also beat Fed yesterday but it was an extremely close match, either player could've won it and on quality of tennis throughout I would just about give the edge to Roger.

Roger is bitch to no-one.

Thing is, even had Fed won, I wouldv'e been worried about Rafa being able to match him on his best surface, no less.

Sad but true, Roger can't push Nadal on clay the way Nadal pushes him (not to say owns him) on HC.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Nadal beat him on grass and carpet too.

Thanks god for Waske, Muller and Blake, if not for them who knows if Roger would have won Halle, Wimbledon and the USO.
Always good to have others to get YOUR job done.

Rogiman
03-05-2006, 04:58 PM
People keep going on about how Rafa is dominating Fed. When Rafa beat him 6-3 6-3 Fed had sunstroke, simple as that.

That excuse seemed valid back in the day, before they met again in Miami and it was shown that score was no coincidence, let alone the matches that followed...

Minnie
03-05-2006, 05:03 PM
Check this out: (http://www.menstennisforums.com/showpost.php?p=306301&postcount=1)

I only use this as a guide, it's not OFFICIAL or cast in stone at all! :p

I never for one minute think Roger is anyone's bitch - and neither do I think that about any tennis player because I just hate that expression. I do happen to agree with those who say that Roger should stop trotting out the usual excuse about Nadal being a leftie ... the world is full of 'em (I'm one for a start!) and it sounds feeble coming from a World No 1. Let's all hope that Roger gets Rafa's "number" before too long.

rofe
03-05-2006, 05:35 PM
Chill dude. I never said you support Roger less than anyone else. But I still think this is a stupid thread. How anyone could want to trade a grand slam for a positive h2h record over another player is beyond me. :o And I don't think Roger and Rafa have played each other enough for one to be the others anything.

It is obvious Rogiman is venting - I don't think he meant it. Different strokes for different folks.

I am actually looking forward to Roger playing at IW and I hope he is rejuvinated by his loss. He has to defend IW but atleast he doesn't have any streaks to defend.

Will we see a more carefree Roger playing at IW? I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Another reason that I am looking forward to IW is that I will actually get to watch it on TV thanks to ESPN2.

rofe
03-05-2006, 05:37 PM
Thing is, even had Fed won, I wouldv'e been worried about Rafa being able to match him on his best surface, no less.

Sad but true, Roger can't push Nadal on clay the way Nadal pushes him (not to say owns him) on HC.
To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Nadal beat him on grass and carpet too.

Thanks god for Waske, Muller and Blake, if not for them who knows if Roger would have won Halle, Wimbledon and the USO.
Always good to have others to get YOUR job done.

Maybe, maybe not. It is all hypothetical at this point. I could argue that Phau did Nadal's job and took care of Agassi at Dubai. Lets see what happens at IW.

nobama
03-05-2006, 06:11 PM
That's it, Roger needs to retire. Nadal's got his back everywhere he goes so why even play anymore. Nadal's going to win every tournament he plays, no one can catch him. I guess the rest of the tour should retire too and Nadal can be crowned #1 forever. :shrug:

Rogiman
03-05-2006, 06:29 PM
That's it, Roger needs to retire. Nadal's got his back everywhere he goes so why even play anymore. Nadal's going to win every tournament he plays, no one can catch him. I guess the rest of the tour should retire too and Nadal can be crowned #1 forever. :shrug:
My point is, next time they face each other I want Roger to be on fire, knowing he's going to murder the little bastard!

90% of Nadal's wins come from the way he keeps himself fired up all match long (otherwise I can't think of a reason how he's able to beat players that are way superior to him technically), I want Roger to keep in his mind the humiliation all these loses to a 19 year old player have caused him and keep running over the pig for the whole match, not getting his foot off the accelerator the way he did this match.

It was like he stubed Nadal in the first set, but mentally was unable to finish the job off and kill him.

NYCtennisfan
03-05-2006, 06:35 PM
I really believe that if they meet in IW, Roger will win. Roger has never been able to dominate Rafa at the beginning of a match like he did yesterday and that is a good sign. He knows that most likely, he has to bring it on 100% of the points to wind up winning.

Other than 4 service games, Roger completely dominated on his serve (lost 20 points on serve in 14 service games, lost 15 of those points in 4 service games). He has never been able to do this before. He usually struggled in every single service game (except at the end of the Miami match). That's a good sign.

NYCtennisfan
03-05-2006, 06:39 PM
It was like he stubed Nadal in the first set, but mentally was unable to finish the job off and kill him.

Yes, I think Federer was taken aback by the fact that Nadal didn't wilt under what may be considered the best tennis Fed has played in a long time. No loss of confidence whatsoever by Nadal. If anything, Nadal has gotten much more mentally tough than he was last year.

In the Blake match at the USO, Nadal lost belief in himself in the 4th set after the first few games. He didn't think he was going to beat Blake if Blake kept up his play of blistering serves, blistering inside-out and CC FH's and solid volleys. The only point that Nadal that was thinking about losing was at 0-30, and 15-30 down in his first service game of the 2nd set when Roger was rolling. After he held, he knew that he only had to hang on for a little while longer until he would get his chance. And he did.

Skyward
03-05-2006, 06:42 PM
Thanks god for Waske, Muller and Blake, if not for them who knows if Roger would have won Halle, Wimbledon and the USO.
Always good to have others to get YOUR job done.


Thanks god for Henman, Ivanisevic, Rusedski, Johansson beating Krajicek, if not for them, who knows if Sampras would have had his 14GS. :lol:

Skyward
03-05-2006, 06:48 PM
Other than 4 service games, Roger completely dominated on his serve (lost 20 points on serve in 14 service games, lost 15 of those points in 4 service games). He has never been able to do this before. He usually struggled in every single service game (except at the end of the Miami match). That's a good sign.

I didn't see the match. When I read this, the result seemed even more weird.

Rogiman
03-05-2006, 06:55 PM
Thanks god for Henman, Ivanisevic, Rusedski, Johansson beating Krajicek, if not for them, who knows if Sampras would have had his 14GS. :lol:
Fair point :o

That must have been very frustrating for Sampras fans back in the day...

tonia9
03-05-2006, 08:45 PM
Congratulations, Rogiman, you made me :confused: for a split second. When I saw the title of this thread I thought there's sth wrong with my keyboard and one of "my favorites" keys opened GM page instead of Federer Express page.



Never ever lose faith in Roger.
It's true, the war is not over jet.

makro120
03-06-2006, 07:43 PM
Please dont be so negative. This is the best loss in ages for Federer, I was really happy after the match because I knew I had seen the greatest 3 setmatch I have ever seen in my life and I knew that Federer was the reason the match was so awesome to watch. The 1st set just showed what Federer can potentialy do against Nadal, if he plays like this in a roland garros final nothing is impossible. The more Federer plays Nadal, the more he figures out Nadal. You dont figure out Roger, Roger figures out you.

It took 5 attempts against Nalbandian, 8 against Hewitt. Nadal might take a long time to figure out, but it is great to see him losing against him in smaller tournaments instead of beeing stunned in Roland Garros or US open.

I want to see Federer playing Nadal in one of the coming 2 master series and I want to see him play Nadal twixe on clay BEFORE Roland Garros.

Give him time, why do you think Federer should have an easy road to become the greatest champ of all time, this is one of many challenges which will come for Federer to overcome. DO you seriously want Federer to destroy Hewitt and Roddick forever in semifinals and finals?

I want to see him against the young hungry guys, Nalbandian, Ljubicic and Safin aswell. We are no cowards, we wish success for Federer, but it can not always be the easy way. Right?

I really have no time to be sad about a loss in a mickey mouse tournament, if this would be a grand slam this would be truly depressing. Federer will now come more hungry than ever before to beat NAdal in the big events, this was just warm up...

makro120
03-06-2006, 07:47 PM
In one month no one will remember this match. DOnt make it more important than it is.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 07:48 PM
DO you seriously want Federer to destroy Hewitt and Roddick forever in semifinals and finals?

No, a loss to decent players (with real games) would be okay with me.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 07:50 PM
In one month no one will remember this match. DOnt make it more important than it is.
I'm afraif the impact of this match on both players will last longer than that, therefore it's very important.

Puschkin
03-06-2006, 07:52 PM
I'm afraif the impact of this match on both players will last longer than that, therefore it's very important.
It was a close battle between the numbers 1 and 2, and I feel both of them know that.

World Beater
03-06-2006, 07:53 PM
Please dont be so negative. This is the best loss in ages for Federer, I was really happy after the match because I knew I had seen the greatest 3 setmatch I have ever seen in my life and I knew that Federer was the reason the match was so awesome to watch. The 1st set just showed what Federer can potentialy do against Nadal, if he plays like this in a roland garros final nothing is impossible. The more Federer plays Nadal, the more he figures out Nadal. You dont figure out Roger, Roger figures out you.

It took 5 attempts against Nalbandian, 8 against Hewitt. Nadal might take a long time to figure out, but it is great to see him losing against him in smaller tournaments instead of beeing stunned in Roland Garros or US open.

I want to see Federer playing Nadal in one of the coming 2 master series and I want to see him play Nadal twixe on clay BEFORE Roland Garros.

Give him time, why do you think Federer should have an easy road to become the greatest champ of all time, this is one of many challenges which will come for Federer to overcome. DO you seriously want Federer to destroy Hewitt and Roddick forever in semifinals and finals?

I want to see him against the young hungry guys, Nalbandian, Ljubicic and Safin aswell. We are no cowards, we wish success for Federer, but it can not always be the easy way. Right?

I really have no time to be sad about a loss in a mickey mouse tournament, if this would be a grand slam this would be truly depressing. Federer will now come more hungry than ever before to beat NAdal in the big events, this was just warm up...

i like your enthusiasm. But roger i think has too much respect for nadal as a player and a person. He doesnt seem to have the killer instinct he has against roddick or hewitt. Nadal keeps praising roger and seems to not want to anger him. Federer seems to be good friends with nadal, and this may not be a good thing. Sometimes, you need some fire to beat your opponent.

Sampras was friends with nobody.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 07:59 PM
It was a close battle between the numbers 1 and 2, and I feel both of them know that.
Rafa beat Roger in his backyard, in the final of the tournament Roger had won 3 years in a row, a fast HC that is said to be favoring Roger's game.
This shouldn't have been a close battle - close battles are allowed on a neutral surface (like Miami's), a loss is acceptable on Clay, no close battles (let alone losses) should take place on fast hardcourts or grass, otherwise Roger can't claim to have any advantage over Nadal.

Would you accept a close battle or defeat in Halle or Wimbly?

makro120
03-06-2006, 08:00 PM
No, a loss to decent players (with real games) would be okay with me.

I understand what you are trying to say, I also think NAdal's game is truly annoying. But he does have talent, he has reinvented the defensive tennis and even if I hate that kind of game I must admit I can see why someone would like this tennis style. We must respect Nadal, even if we dont like his style, we must respect it as a great challenge for Federer. If I could chose from having NAdal or not having Nadal in atp I would chose to have Nadal. I really feel that Federer is having to play at a different level to beat Nadal. HE played amazing tennis part of the match, if Nadal can take him to these heights why should I not like Nadal. Even if Nadal's style is much about making the opponent play ugly, when he fails against a player like Federer he forces Federer to play one genius shot after the other like no other player can do. 1st set and the 3 games from 2-0 to 2-3 in the 3rd set is the best tennis I have seen this year. If NAdal can make Federer produce that or even better tennis if he wants to beat Nadal, I dont mind seeing this battle between ugly tennis and beautiful tennis (in my opinion) and who is going to win in the end.

Can you honestly say that the match would be better if let us say Hewitt was on the other side of the net instead of Nadal? Ofcourse not.

Puschkin
03-06-2006, 08:01 PM
Would you accept a close battle or defeat in Halle or Wimbly?

It would not make me happy, but defeats have to be accepted. Sometimes I do feel we Roger-fans are like spoiled children;)

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 08:04 PM
It would not make me happy, but defeats have to be accepted. Sometimes I do feel we Roger-fans are like spoiled children;)
Again, I have no problems accepting defeat, but hell not to Nadal on grass or HC's! :mad:

Puschkin
03-06-2006, 08:06 PM
Again, I have no problems accepting defeat, but hell not to Nadal on grass or HC's! :mad:
The reality is, it is not up to you to choose :p

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 08:10 PM
The reality is, it is not up to you to choose :p
Okay, but don't expect me to say thanks and offer my ass in submission if that happens! :mad:

I'm not going to get used to Roger getting screwed by Nadal! :mad:

Puschkin
03-06-2006, 08:13 PM
I'm not going to get used to Roger getting screwed by Nadal! :mad:

You probably won't have to. The man himself will take care of it. I think it was a wake-up call, and the timing was great.

bokehlicious
03-06-2006, 08:14 PM
Would you accept a close battle or defeat in Halle or Wimbly?

Are you serious when you compare Dubai hardcourts to Halle or Wimbledon grass ? It's quite like comparing clay to rebound ace :shrug: :o

ExpectedWinner
03-06-2006, 08:15 PM
Nadal can play on hc. I have no problem accepting Federer losing to Nadal, because he's paying the price for neglecting his s&v game and failing to add a few mph to his serve.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 08:18 PM
Are you serious when you compare Dubai hardcourts to Halle or Wimbledon grass ? It's quite like comparing clay to rebound ace :shrug: :o
Federer has been equally dominant on HC's and grass for the last couple of years, and clay and rebound ace play pretty similarly nowadays, at least if you ask Hewitt :o

Roger meeting Rafa on rebound ace this year would have been an horror show :o :o :o

makro120
03-06-2006, 08:18 PM
Rafa beat Roger in his backyard, in the final of the tournament Roger had won 3 years in a row, a fast HC that is said to be favoring Roger's game.
This shouldn't have been a close battle - close battles are allowed on a neutral surface (like Miami's), a loss is acceptable on Clay, no close battles (let alone losses) should take place on fast hardcourts or grass, otherwise Roger can't claim to have any advantage over Nadal.

Would you accept a close battle or defeat in Halle or Wimbly?

you are trying to be rational now, but tennis is not always a rational game. Strange thing happens and sometimes times it doesnt go like you thought it should. IT doesnt always mean that much. Like Mcenroe was in the form of his life 84 and beat Lendl 5 times in a row that year losing only 1 set, twice he beat Lendl on clay, LEndl's own backyard. But when it was time for Roland Garros Lendl beat Mcenroe in 5 sets, I am sure that Federer would raise his game to unvelivable heights in a USopen or wimbledon final against Nadal no matter how many times NAdal has beaten him on hard court or grass minitournaments. Federer could even challenge Nadal on Roland garros, because Federer is a champion, he has the ability to play unbelivable tennis not from this planet and when he does that no one can beat him on any surface.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 08:19 PM
Nadal can play on hc. I have no problem accepting Federer losing to Nadal, because he's paying the price for neglecting his s&v game and failing to add a few mph to his serve.
That's right :mad:

Whatever happened to Federer the savior of S&V tennis..? :o

bokehlicious
03-06-2006, 08:21 PM
Roger meeting Rafa on rebound ace this year would have been an horror show :o :o :o

I'm afraid I have to agree on that point :unsure:

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 08:25 PM
I am sure that Federer would raise his game to unvelivable heights in a USopen or wimbledon final against Nadal. If Nadal makes it to the final of Wimbledon I'll die :o
no matter how many times NAdal has beaten him on hard court or grass minitournaments. :o :o :o
he has the ability to play unbelivable tennis not from this planet and when he does that no one can beat him on any surfaceWhy doesn't he do it against Nadal then?! :mad:

ExpectedWinner
03-06-2006, 08:27 PM
That's right :mad:

Whatever happened to Federer the savior of S&V tennis..? :o

I don't know. Ever since he's figured out how to beat Hewitt, Agassi, Nalbandian from the baseline , he's been glued to the to the back of the court. His volleys deteriorated; approach shots are often not effective, when finally he intends to play s&v, he often misses the serve, and he's coming to the net at wrong times. He lost confidence in this part of his game and can't rely on it when the match is getting tight (unless there's Roddick, mediocre returner and passer).

bokehlicious
03-06-2006, 08:28 PM
Why doesn't he do it against Nadal then?! :mad:

Don't worry, he'll do it when it really counts, not in mickey mouse tournies :o

Puschkin
03-06-2006, 08:32 PM
I don't know. Ever since he's figured out how to beat Hewitt, Agassi, Nalbandian from the baseline , he's been glued to the to the back of the court. His volleys deteriorated; approach shots are often not effective and he's coming to the net at wrong times. He lost confidence in this part of his game and can't rely on it when the match is getting tight (unless there's Roddick, mediocre rerurner and passer).

I wonder how a person with such draw-backs still can be the unquestioned number 1. :( I second, however, your earlier remark about more speed on the first serve.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 08:36 PM
I second, however, your earlier remark about more speed on the first serve.
Actually the serve worked well in Dubai, especially against Nadal.
He was untroubled for the whole match but brainfarted when it mattered :o

The return of serve, however, was aweful :o
It's not like Nadal has the serve of a Sampras :o :o
I'm not going to take the lefty crap as an excuse :o :o :o

Mechlan
03-06-2006, 08:39 PM
I wonder how a person with such draw-backs still can be the unquestioned number 1. :( I second, however, your earlier remark about more speed on the first serve.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but in case you weren't, he is still probably the most talented player in the game (and that skill does extend to the net). He just seems to lose a bit of confidence in his net play at times. Every player has their drawbacks, and I'll take Roger's over just about any other player in the history of the game.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 08:40 PM
Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but in case you weren't, he is still probably the most talented player in the game (and that skill does extend to the net). He just seems to lose a bit of confidence in his net play at times. Every player has their drawbacks, and I'll take Roger's over just about any other player in the history of the game.
She's been sarcastic...

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 08:42 PM
BTW I've got the most successful thread in the forum :o

Mechlan
03-06-2006, 08:44 PM
Look, bottom line is Federer doesn't like to lose. I would be very very surprised if he doesn't come out ready to play for the entire match the next time they face. Frankly, I'm looking forward to it. Roger strikes me as the type of person that likes to learn from his mistakes and improve upon them, so even if he does lose, I doubt it'll be doing the same things wrong as he did this match. He's really quite intelligent when it comes to learning how best to play an opponent, so i'm confident that it's just a matter of time.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 08:47 PM
Look, bottom line is Federer doesn't like to lose. I would be very very surprised if he doesn't come out ready to play for the entire match the next time they face. Frankly, I'm looking forward to it. Roger strikes me as the type of person that likes to learn from his mistakes and improve upon them, so even if he does lose, I doubt it'll be doing the same things wrong as he did this match. He's really quite intelligent when it comes to learning how best to play an opponent, so i'm confident that it's just a matter of time.
Alright, 13 more matches between them and Roger will get him figured out! :D

:bigcry:

ExpectedWinner
03-06-2006, 08:48 PM
I wonder how a person with such draw-backs still can be the unquestioned number 1.

It's simple. He has no significant holes in his game, he can mix his shots, his footwork is superb (at least it was before the injury), his reflexes are very fast, and he can beat the majority of players from the baseline. Besides, he's developed a very strong mentality.

But it's a known fact that to stay on top, you need to improve. Now tell me what he's improved (mental part excluded) since Peter's departure?

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 08:51 PM
But it's a known fact that to stay on top, you need to improve. Now tell me what he's improved (mental part excluded) since Peter's departure?
Technically there was very little to improve in the first place, and mentally it seems he's still got some work to do (otherwise he wouldn't be owned by Nadal :o )

stebs
03-06-2006, 08:51 PM
I think whatever Roger says about respecting Nadal, true though it may be, that defeat will have hurt him.

Roger has an extremely friendly exterior but we have seen in interviews when people try to take it too far he gets defensive, he is proud of what he's acheived and he isn't done yet. It is this approach that has seen Roger win alot of matches when he's off form and this is why I think he is determined to beat Nadal.

RonE
03-06-2006, 08:51 PM
I just heard Roger's interview and there he goes on about how he can't deal with the lefty angles and topspin. At first, I thought - this is ridiculous. After playing Nadal four times, he is still unsure of how to play not just him but a consistent lefty player.

Then he said something that made me think some more. He said, this is the first time he has been able to win the first set against Nadal and took it as a positive.

I think that statement is interesting because Roger's plays a very calculating game and he comes up with a specific game plan based on who his opponent is. To him, playing a worthy adversary is like peeling the layers of an onion. He takes steps towards slowly taking apart his opponent's game for subsequent analysis.

He has genuinely figured out how to get ahead against Nadal in the first set, something he could not do in their previous meetings. Now he has to figure out to keep that momentum going against Nadal (who will not gift him games with a let down).

I hope they meet again at IW so that I test out my theory. :D


Once again, you end up saying out loud what I am thinking :worship:

I said before Roger needs to play him as many times as possible- some learning curves are steeper than others and this one is right up there. It might take a few more matches but in every match another piece of the puzzle slides into place.

I thought myself before Roger even said so himself that at least he won the first set and didn't start slowly- which is a good sign. In RG he started porrly, player very well in the middle and finished porrly. This time he started fantastic, kept on playing well, player poorly for a short while, played great and finished poorly.

Puschkin
03-06-2006, 08:53 PM
But it's a known fact that to stay on top, you need to improve. Now tell me what he's improved (mental part excluded) since Peter's departure?

Didn't the backhand get more consistent overall? An occasional dropshot? These two come to my mind. But the most successful change was the mentality, as you pointed out yourself.

stebs
03-06-2006, 08:56 PM
Once again, you end up saying out loud what I am thinking :worship:

I said before Roger needs to play him as many times as possible- some learning curves are steeper than others and this one is right up there. It might take a few more matches but in every match another piece of the puzzle slides into place.

I thought myself before Roger even said so himself that at least he won the first set and didn't start slowly- which is a good sign. In RG he started porrly, player very well in the middle and finished porrly. This time he started fantastic, kept on playing well, player poorly for a short while, played great and finished poorly.


Once again, I totally agree with you and Rofe.

If anything this result makes me think he much less Nadals bitch than before because Fed was demolished in Miami and only won that match because Nadal couldn't handle the heat or the length of match or whatever, the point is Nadal owned Roger in that match.

I think Roger was the better player at Dubai, I'm a bit pissed off he lossed because he is one of my faves but that said it was a hugely encouraging display ot those Fed fans who think Fed can't handle Nadal. He showed that he can handle Nadal, he didn't manage to do it for long enough to win the match but he showed that he has a game plan and a game which will beat Rafa if it is used appropriately and for long enough.

I an fairly confident Roger will win at least 1 of their next two meetings.

stebs
03-06-2006, 08:57 PM
Now tell me what he's improved (mental part excluded) since Peter's departure?

His whole style has changed fairly dramatically, he plays much more percentage tennis now which is suited for winning even when he is off form. That change is fairly huge and you can see it as an improvement in that it will help him win matches or as a bad thing in that it lowers entertainment value.

ExpectedWinner
03-06-2006, 08:59 PM
Technically there was very little to improve in the first place

There's always a room for improvement on second serves, returns, volleys . Peter was talking about hitting the first serve around 130mph consistently.

ExpectedWinner
03-06-2006, 09:01 PM
Didn't the backhand get more consistent overall?

He had a very good backhand in 2003.

stebs
03-06-2006, 09:03 PM
There's always a room for improvement on second serves, returns, volleys . Peter was talking about consistently hitting the first serve around 130mph.

I think Roger's second serves are the best in tennis, I think his returns are as good as any body elses and I think his volleys are better than any of his rivals.

Sure there is work to be done but he is still comfortably the best player in the world.

I think the only problem with his second serve is to do with his mentality, as we saw against Rafa, when he is nerbous he drops the serve short and a player like Rafa snapped that up. When Roger is not under severe pressure his second serves are great, he needs to work on his mind and believe in his own ability to hit a good second serve when it really counts.

bokehlicious
03-06-2006, 09:05 PM
BTW I've got the most successful thread in the forum :o

You turned it into the funniest one too, that might explain its success :o :p

Mechlan
03-06-2006, 09:05 PM
Alright, 13 more matches between them and Roger will get him figured out! :D

:bigcry:

As RonE said, some learning curves are steeper than others. ;)

RonE
03-06-2006, 09:05 PM
Fair point :o

That must have been very frustrating for Sampras fans back in the day...

Dude, you have no idea!!!! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

And the funny thing about it is, you always got the feeling Pete was the better player but Krajicek was in his head. In fact, even in that famous 1996 Wimbledon quarterfinal Sampras was the one who started the match in blistering form and almost broke Krajicek twice (in two sperate service games he had BPs I mean) and then at 2-2 it started raining and the whole momentum shifted.

And in their later meetings it was Pete who finally came out the winner. So I have faith in Rogi. Besides, Nadal cannot keep up the intensity he is showing forever- that takes so much energy and it is inevitable he will also have a letdown of sorts sooner or later. Unlike Roger, he canot afford to coast and have mental lapses and end up winning matches, he needs to be on ALL THE TIME. Think about that too.

ExpectedWinner
03-06-2006, 09:08 PM
His whole style has changed fairly dramatically, he plays much more percentage tennis now which is suited for winning even when he is off form.

It's mental.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 09:09 PM
I think his returns are as good as any body elses
Not against Nadal, he makes him feel like Sampras :o

In fact he would probably read Sampras' serve better :o

stebs
03-06-2006, 09:11 PM
It's mental.
Yes but technical too. Sure it is also in the mind to have to hold back and decide not to go for an outright winner and instead build the point with good shots until the chance for the easy put-away comes but it is also a technical skill which Roger has improved alot.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 09:12 PM
:bigcry:

why have you been doomed to wipe Rafa's ass, Roger...??!!
(Let him dig it by himself :o)

Mechlan
03-06-2006, 09:12 PM
Not against Nadal, he makes him feel like Sampras :o

In fact he would probably read Sampras' serve better :o

Actually, you may be on to something. He's a great instinctive returner.

stebs
03-06-2006, 09:13 PM
Not against Nadal, he makes him feel like Sampras :o

In fact he would probably read Sampras' serve better :o


I know everyone says it is just an excuse but he is a leftie. Plus he doesn't have a wimpy clay courter serve anymore he has a proper serve, it isn't a great one but it isn't a huge weakness. Also, reading the serve will become easier and easier as they play more. Nadal's serve at Dubai was a totally different thing to what it was at RG the time they played previously, I know Rogi must have looked at tapes and stuff but you can never start to try and read a serve until you face it.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 09:14 PM
You're talking about Roger playing better percentage tennis nowadays, when in 2003 Wimbledon he hit like 110 winners to 20 UE in the Semis and final combined...

ExpectedWinner
03-06-2006, 09:15 PM
Not against Nadal, he makes him feel like Sampras :o

In fact he would probably read Sampras' serve better :o


He's never been a good returner of slow/weak serves.

stebs
03-06-2006, 09:17 PM
You're talking about Roger playing better percentage tennis nowadays, when in 2003 Wimbledon he hit like 110 winners to 20 UE in the Semis and final combined...

Yes.

I know this means he is unlikely to scale the heights he scaled when he was really 'on' and playing on his favourite surface etc...

What it does mean is that when he isn't on ridiculously good form he is much less likely to lose as a result. Roger of 2003 would not of won the AO this year on that sort of form.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 09:18 PM
You turned it into the funniest one too, that might explain its success :o :p
Tell this to Miss Congeniality, aka Mirkaland :retard:

stebs
03-06-2006, 09:18 PM
He's never been a good returner of slow/weak serves.

Agreed, Roger has his strength lying in his ability to return big serves with depth rather than with spanking weak serves for winners.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 09:20 PM
Agreed, Roger has his strength lying in his ability to return big serves with depth rather than with spanking weak serves for winners.
He's the best at shanking backhand returns off 20MPH leftie 2nd serves into the net though :o

stebs
03-06-2006, 09:21 PM
He's the best at shanking backhand returns off 20MPH leftie 2nd serves into the net though :o

Yep, he's really awesome at that :o :mad: :(

bokehlicious
03-06-2006, 09:21 PM
Roger of 2003 would not of won the AO this year on that sort of form.

Good point. And if Roger wants to break the record books, he'll need that surely more than once in the future...

RonE
03-06-2006, 09:23 PM
:bigcry:

why have you been doomed to wipe Rafa's ass, Roger...??!!
(Let him dig it by himself :o)

Dude, chill out.

אח שלי, תירגע. זה לא סוף העולם. אני מבין את הכאב, חלק מהתשובות שלך אפילו היו די משעשעות אבל עכשיו אתה קצת מגזים.

bokehlicious
03-06-2006, 09:24 PM
He's the best at shanking backhand returns off 20MPH leftie 2nd serves into the net though :o

:lol: sad but true indeed :bigcry: :mad:

RonE
03-06-2006, 09:25 PM
He's never been a good returner of slow/weak serves.

Exactly- look at the way he plays the slow kicked serve on clay- he almost never drives it on the backhand, and when he does he doesn't get the kind of depth and/or power that would put him at an outright advantage at the start of a rally.

He likes the hard flat serve coming at him then he has cat-like reflexes and thunders it back at the server.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 09:26 PM
Dude, chill out.

אח שלי, תירגע. זה לא סוף העולם. אני מבין את הכאב, חלק מהתשובות שלך אפילו היו די משעשעות אבל עכשיו אתה קצת מגזים.
סורי, אחי, אני שונא את החולירע הספרדי הזה ונמאס לי לכתוב בשירשור שלך על החזרזיר הזה רק כשהוא מפסיד לאחרים ...
למה רוג'ר לא יכול כבר לזיין אותו אחת ולתמיד בעצמו...?

mangoes
03-06-2006, 09:27 PM
:bigcry:

why have you been doomed to wipe Rafa's ass, Roger...??!!
(Let him dig it by himself :o)


:lol: :lol: He wiped it for the LAST time on Saturday....... :lol:

RonE
03-06-2006, 09:31 PM
סורי, אחי, אני שונא את החולירע הספרדי הזה ונמאס לי לכתוב בשירשור שלך על החזרזיר הזה רק כשהוא מפסיד לאחרים ...
למה רוג'ר לא יכול כבר לזיין אותו אחת ולתמיד בעצמו...?

:lol:

אל תדאג, יום יבוא וגם הנינג'ה יקבל את הכבוד בשירשור האגדי- אני מקווה שאתה אוהב את השינקן שלך מטובל היטב

Swiss pork sausages :lick: ;)

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 09:32 PM
:lol:

אל תדאג, יום יבוא וגם הנינג'ה יקבל את הכבוד בשירשור האגדי- אני מקווה שאתה אוהב את השינקן שלך מטובל היטב

Swiss pork sausages :lick: ;)
ספרדי כפול :drool:

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 09:34 PM
All of a sudden I've got 2242$ in vCash, 1500 of which came for betting 600 on Rafa :o

RonE
03-06-2006, 09:35 PM
Oh and by the way Rogiman- you think you have it bad? Every day when I finish work walking out of the office on the building next door they have a Nike shop and they have this HUGE poster of Nadal above the entrance to the store. I have to look at that mug every single blasted day! :sobbing: :p

Mechlan
03-06-2006, 09:37 PM
Exactly- look at the way he plays the slow kicked serve on clay- he almost never drives it on the backhand, and when he does he doesn't get the kind of depth and/or power that would put him at an outright advantage at the start of a rally.

He likes the hard flat serve coming at him then he has cat-like reflexes and thunders it back at the server.

That's one of his frustrating tendencies. Not that he's incapable of driving the weaker ones (though clay might be a different story). Reminds me of last year's USO final against Agassi, where he kept slicing the returns into play in that third set until the tie break, when he suddenly decided to rip a few returns and demolished Andre from then on.

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 09:38 PM
Oh and by the way Rogiman- you think you have it bad? Every day when I finish work walking out of the office on the building next door they have a Nike shop and they have this HUGE poster of Nadal above the entrance to the store. I have to look at that mug every single blasted day! :sobbing: :p
http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sick/sick0021.gif http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sick/sick0020.gif http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sick/sick0006.gif http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sick/sick0005.gif

ExpectedWinner
03-06-2006, 10:07 PM
אח שלי, תירגע. זה לא סוף העולם. אני מבין את הכאב, חלק מהתשובות שלך אפילו היו די משעשעות אבל עכשיו אתה קצת מגזים.


סורי, אחי, אני שונא את החולירע הספרדי הזה ונמאס לי לכתוב בשירשור שלך על החזרזיר הזה רק כשהוא מפסיד לאחרים ...
למה רוג'ר לא יכול כבר לזיין אותו אחת ולתמיד בעצמו...?

Not fair. It's enough that I hardly can understand what heya writes in English. :sad: :lol:

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 10:13 PM
Not fair. It's enough that I hardly can understand what heya writes in English. :sad: :lol:
I'll write a translation then:

Ron told me he understood my pain and some of the remarks I had made Had been funny, but I was taking it a bit too far.

I replied I couldn't stand the Spanish piece of shit and that I had gotten tired of posting in his "Piggy" thread only when other players beat the fuck out of him, and I wanted Roger to finally do it himself.

Ron told me not to be worried and that soon Roger would reappear in his legendary thread, and that he hoped I liked my slice well spiced :D

bokehlicious
03-06-2006, 10:19 PM
I replied I couldn't stand the Spanish piece of shit and that I had gotten tired of posting in his "Piggy" thread only when other players beat the fuck out of him, and I wanted Roger to finally do it himself.

That's funny, calling Nadal a 'pig' in GM yesterday made me receive tons of bad reps in a few seconds only. A record I guess :o

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 10:21 PM
That's funny, calling Nadal a 'pig' in GM yesterday made me receive tons of bad reps in a few seconds only. A record I guess :o
Is "pork" more PC...? :shrug:

Defensive fans of defensive tennis...

ExpectedWinner
03-06-2006, 10:26 PM
I'll write a translation then:

Ron told me he understood my pain and some of the remarks I had made Had been funny, but I was taking it a bit too far.

I replied I couldn't stand the Spanish piece of shit and that I had gotten tired of posting in his "Piggy" thread only when other players beat the fuck out of him, and I wanted Roger to finally do it himself.

Ron told me not to be worried and that soon Roger would reappear in his legendary thread, and that he hoped I liked my slice well spiced :D

:lol: I don't know if you, guys, are allowed to consume this product, but I really hope that it will be delivered to you shortly

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/Pork_dsc06559.jpg/180px-Pork_dsc06559.jpg

Rogiman
03-06-2006, 10:29 PM
:lol: I don't know if you, guys, are allowed to consume this product, but I really hope that this will be delivered to you shortly

;)
Both Ron and myself are only jewish by default :)

And yes please, bring that pork already! :mad:

bokehlicious
03-06-2006, 10:30 PM
Is "pork" more PC...? :shrug:


I'll try it next time :o

intikab
03-06-2006, 10:40 PM
Very good suggestions from ExpectedWinner on things Roger can improve.

Especially agree on amping up the speed on the serve. Looking at ATP matchfacts, he is only winning 75% of his 1st serve points. Others like Ljubicic, Roddick, Ancic are winning above 80%. Great servers of the 90's won above 80% as well.

Work on fitness and endurance.

Be more aggressive on 2nd serve returns - drive some of them occassionally instead of being content to chip all the time.

Do more drop volleys, drop shots, angled serves & shots especially against guys like Nadal and Davydenko who stand yards behind the baseline. (In the first set, he got quite a few aces with out-wide serves, which was refreshing to see.)

Try not to approach the net on topspin shots against Nadal - they sit up and Nadal is far enough back to have room for a full-blooded swing on the passing shot. Try to hit them short or directly to the body or slice them (on the bh side).

Either go for it on the 2nd serve or not be so predictable on the 2nd serve in crucial situations: The 30-30 point at 4-4 in the 3rd set was so predictable and weak, Nadal moved up to the baseline while Fed was in serving motion, and spanked it for a return winner (only one of the match, I believe).

NYCtennisfan
03-07-2006, 01:36 AM
The thing about Fed's return is that the chip return works against most players because he almost always has the outright advantage in rallies; he doesn't against Nadal. That's why he has to take more risks by trying to drive back some returns even though it is tougher for him due to his one-handed backhand.

nobama
03-07-2006, 01:36 AM
Roger isn't owned by Rafa, and certainly wasn't in Dubai. I have every confidence that he'll get Rafa next time. I still say aside from the mental brain farts in the 9th game of the 2nd and 3rd set Roger was the better player on the day. Certainly in the 1st set. He can handle Rafa, he is the superior player. Someone just needs to drill that into his head constantly. :wavey: Hi Mirka, this would be a good job for you (Roger did say what makes him feel the best is when she tells him how proud of him she is, so he will listen to her).

NYCtennisfan
03-07-2006, 01:42 AM
But it's a known fact that to stay on top, you need to improve. Now tell me what he's improved (mental part excluded) since Peter's departure?

His backhand. He did have "a very good backhand" in 2003 when he was feeling very confident hitting it which was about 25% of the time. He had a lot of matches where he would just slice all day long because he didn't have confidence in it. His deep CC topspin backhand into his opponents backhand (or lefties' FH's) is really good and he didn't have that shot before or if he did, he rarely hit it. It was this shot that pushed Nalbandian around the court at the USO.

lunahielo
03-07-2006, 03:26 AM
Originally posted by World Beater
Sampras was friends with nobody.
:rolls: :rolls:

Skyward
03-07-2006, 03:38 AM
Now people are saying that the court in Dubai was very fast. Is it true?

RogiFan88
03-07-2006, 03:59 AM
Hi guys, just been reading your discussions, very interesting, and I have a few comments to make also:

Makro
This is the best loss in ages for Federer, I was really happy after the match because I knew I had seen the greatest 3 setmatch I have ever seen in my life and I knew that Federer was the reason the match was so awesome to watch. The 1st set just showed what Federer can potentialy do against Nadal, if he plays like this in a roland garros final nothing is impossible.

- the best loss? Nothing good about a loss fr Rogi vs. Rafa.

It took 5 attempts against Nalbandian, 8 against Hewitt. Nadal might take a long time to figure out, but it is great to see him losing against him in smaller tournaments instead of beeing stunned in Roland Garros or US open.

- when Rogi used to lose to Nalby, Hewitt, AA and Henman, he was still young, immature and unfocused. His game wasn’t developed and more importantly, his mental was not tough. But now at this stage of his career and losing to Rafa, he will need to start beating him definitively as soon as possible because HE’s not so young anymore. Rafa will only continue to improve.

I really have no time to be sad about a loss in a mickey mouse tournament, if this would be a grand slam this would be truly depressing. Federer will now come more hungry than ever before to beat NAdal in the big events, this was just warm up...

- Dubai is not a Mickey Mouse tourney, it is a 60—pointer, the only other one being Barcelona. Rogi better be more motivated to beat Rafa or the so-called rivalry will rival the one Pandy has w him!

Rogiman
I'm afraif the impact of this match on both players will last longer than that, therefore it's very important.

- Yes, you better believe the result of this Dubai F has huge significance – for Rogi, it’s a missed opportunity that he needed to give him much-needed confidence to give him the belief that he can indeed have a real “rivalry” w Rafa and for Rafa it’s exactly what he wanted to confirm his “dominance” over Rogi, so much so that he can now believe that he is capable of beating Rogi on any surface, not just on clay at RG.

Puschkin
It was a close battle between the numbers 1 and 2, and I feel both of them know that.

- was it? I didn’t see the match and am interested to know.

World Beater
But roger i think has too much respect for nadal as a player and a person. He doesnt seem to have the killer instinct he has against roddick or hewitt. Nadal keeps praising roger and seems to not want to anger him. Federer seems to be good friends with nadal, and this may not be a good thing. Sometimes, you need some fire to beat your opponent.
Sampras was friends with nobody.


- I agree w you! I think that Rogi does have too much respect for Rafa. It’s OK to like him and be friendly w him but he doesn’t seem to be able to separate “friendship” fr “work”. I don’t think that Rogi needs a killer instinct vs. Pandy, more vs. Hewitt and certainly vs. AA who is one of the most ruthless players out there – he also had no friends. I was thinking about this yesterday and Rogi s be more like he is vs. Nalby [who doesn’t really have a lot of respect for Rogi] – he s just go out there and do his job, period.

Rogiman
Would you accept a close battle or defeat in Halle or Wimbly?

- Halle… maybe but it w not do Rogi’s confidence any good! Wimby? Never… or at least not yet… let Rogi have a little more time in the sun!!

Makro
I really feel that Federer is having to play at a different level to beat Nadal.

- Yes, they both push each other, which is good. And someone said that without Rafa on the tour for a few months, Rogi wasn’t playing his best tennis or had a drop in his level, which I thought was an interesting observation! No doubt Rogi has to play his best to beat Rafa.

Can you honestly say that the match would be better if let us say Hewitt was on the other side of the net instead of Nadal?

- Well, Rogi’s last match vs. Hewitt at USO05 SF was not bad at all – about the best I’ve seen Lleyt play lately – he did push Rogi! But I w say no if Pandy were on the other side of the net since HE has been strangely “absent” in his matches of late… the poor guy is going thru some kind of confidence crisis, like Guille.

Puschkin
It would not make me happy, but defeats have to be accepted. Sometimes I do feel we Roger-fans are like spoiled children

- Rogi can’t win forever… did Pete? Of course he’s going to lose and he can’t be No 1 forever either… nobody can! Rogi already lost a big one to Nalby in Shanghai last yr.

You probably won't have to. The man himself will take care of it. I think it was a wake-up call, and the timing was great.

- I’m not happy that Rogi lost to Rafa in this F but it better have shaken him up!

Makro
Federer could even challenge Nadal on Roland garros, because Federer is a champion, he has the ability to play unbelivable tennis not from this planet and when he does that no one can beat him on any surface.

- Yes, Rogi can play unbelievable tennis by any standard and that’s why I have followed him for some time now but that’s exactly the kind of tennis I long to see fr him, esp at RG and esp vs. Rafa – can he do it? Relentless Rafa prevents Rogi fr playing such tennis. It all flies out the window… Rogi, just get over it and get your act together! You know you have the talent, skills, etc. to do it so just believe it!

Expected Winner
I don't know. Ever since he's figured out how to beat Hewitt, Agassi, Nalbandian from the baseline , he's been glued to the to the back of the court. His volleys deteriorated; approach shots are often not effective, when finally he intends to play s&v, he often misses the serve, and he's coming to the net at wrong times. He lost confidence in this part of his game and can't rely on it when the match is getting tight (unless there's Roddick, mediocre returner and passer).

- That’s what I noticed also. I think Rogi felt he couldn’t S&V vs. these baseliners and most players are b/liners today anyway cos he w just get passed all the time so he was reluctant to play that way, which is a pity. I loved when he S&V – it looked so classic and provided variety in an otherwise rather dull and boring b/line tennis match – and Lleyt and AA are among the most boring of b/liners!

Stebs
I think whatever Roger says about respecting Nadal, true though it may be, that defeat will have hurt him.

- for sure Rogi must be hurt about this loss and perhaps a little angry about it too, enough to stir him into action!

[I]rofe
I just heard Roger's interview and there he goes on about how he can't deal with the lefty angles and topspin. At first, I thought - this is ridiculous. After playing Nadal four times, he is still unsure of how to play not just him but a consistent lefty player.

Then he said something that made me think some more. He said, this is the first time he has been able to win the first set against Nadal and took it as a positive.

I think that statement is interesting because Roger's plays a very calculating game and he comes up with a specific game plan based on who his opponent is. To him, playing a worthy adversary is like peeling the layers of an onion. He takes steps towards slowly taking apart his opponent's game for subsequent analysis.

He has genuinely figured out how to get ahead against Nadal in the first set, something he could not do in their previous meetings. Now he has to figure out to keep that momentum going against Nadal (who will not gift him games with a let down).

I hope they meet again at IW so that I test out my theory.

- Rogi, can you just shut up about this lefty biz? Why does it bother you so much and not other guys, like Blake? Yes, it’s great he got the first set but I hate it when players win the first set and lose the match, esp Rogi! If I interviewed him I w ask why he has these mental dips? Is it because he gets bored easily and has a short attention span? Do the opponents bore him into a sort of tennistic unconsciousness or sth? He has to know that he cannot do this vs. Rafa who is opportunistic a la AA although nicer and will spot his chances and run away w them, all the way to the title. Rogi cannot drop his level for a nanosecond! Biturbo justs keeps going and going and going… he was born w the “never-give-up” mentality and to win at all costs, even to himself, as we’ve seen in Roma and Madrid F – to his detriment physically AND he paid for it.

RonE
Once again, you end up saying out loud what I am thinking

I said before Roger needs to play him as many times as possible- some learning curves are steeper than others and this one is right up there. It might take a few more matches but in every match another piece of the puzzle slides into place.

I thought myself before Roger even said so himself that at least he won the first set and didn't start slowly- which is a good sign. In RG he started porrly, player very well in the middle and finished porrly. This time he started fantastic, kept on playing well, player poorly for a short while, played great and finished poorly.

- Learning to beat Rafa is a steep learning curve? It’s just all in Rogi’s mind – a mental obstacle. It saddens me to hear that Rogi played that first set so brilliantly and ended up losing… although he DID manage to win to 4 in the 2nd and 3rd sets. As for that RG SF – I prefer not to relive that sorry excuse for a tennis match [on Rogi’s side anyway – Rafa didn’t play his best tennis in that slam and he didn’t need to in order to beat Rogi].

Stebs
His whole style has changed fairly dramatically, he plays much more percentage tennis now which is suited for winning even when he is off form. That change is fairly huge and you can see it as an improvement in that it will help him win matches or as a bad thing in that it lowers entertainment value.

- Yes, ever since Rogi “grew up” and got serious about his tennis, he stopped playing those higher-risk, showy shots [that we love] but that didn’t win him matches but look at the results! Thank God he matured cos I don’t see a few other older players being so mature even today…

RonE
Besides, Nadal cannot keep up the intensity he is showing forever- that takes so much energy and it is inevitable he will also have a letdown of sorts sooner or later. Unlike Roger, he canot afford to coast and have mental lapses and end up winning matches, he needs to be on ALL THE TIME. Think about that too.

- Later rather than sooner because it’s positive energy and also he has learned fr bitter experience that he has to make adjustments to conserve his energy although he realizes that he can’t really change his game. I can see Rafa dropping a few more tourneys this year to keep himself healthy. Rafa doesn’t have mental lapses. In MC F he ran out of steam when he lost that set to Coria but I think he just let it go and save his energy for the next sets. He had already learned that he couldn’t come out all guns blazing as he did in Miami F vs. Rogi where he simply ran out of steam, sth that Rogi could sense – even in the 2nd set that he [Rogi] lost. Of course, Rafa expends a lot of energy, certainly far more than Rogi does in every match he plays. Also, he does tend to play long matches as well, i.e., Roma and Madrid F.

RonE
Oh and by the way Rogiman- you think you have it bad? Every day when I finish work walking out of the office on the building next door they have a Nike shop and they have this HUGE poster of Nadal above the entrance to the store. I have to look at that mug every single blasted day!

- Poor Ron! :lol:

;)

NYCtennisfan
03-07-2006, 04:25 AM
Now people are saying that the court in Dubai was very fast. Is it true?

Faster than Miami and IW I think, but not as fast as the USO.

Skyward
03-07-2006, 05:13 AM
Faster than Miami and IW I think

It's depressing. :sad:

rofe
03-07-2006, 05:30 AM
It's depressing. :sad:

I don't like Nadal's style but sometimes you just have to shake your head and simply admire his fighting qualities.

He sacrificed the South American clay court season to do better on hardcourts and he has partially achieved it by beating the #1 player in the world in a final. That is commendable from an objective standpoint.

At this point, Roger is fumbling against Nadal. My sincere advice to him would be to start with the following:

1) Watch the Dubai final
2) Get rid of the lefty mental block
3) Watch the Nadal-Blake match at the USO '05
4) Not overanalyze the two matches but realize that he needs to play with a lot more instinct and less of the percentage play that gets him by other players

Roger has the game to beat Nadal - of that I am certain. I hope they meet again and he gets to execute it at IW.

World Beater
03-07-2006, 05:40 AM
i really dont buy the federer backhand weak excuse.

If anything federer should take advantage of nadals backhand as well.

He needs to put pressure on nadal's second serve...period.

thats all he needs to do. He doesnt have to be over aggressive or else he will start spraying like in the third.

Whenever he hits to the fh, hit it flat, not with spin(esp on approaches). He should also use the slice up the line when his backhand is being pressured. A backhand up the line would be too risky, but a slice is much safer. I dont think nadal can blow the cover off the ball from the backhand side.

World Beater
03-07-2006, 05:41 AM
one more thing...everyone keeps questioning fed's toughness, but just last year he came from two sets down and showed a lot of heart. Nadal could not compete after the third set.

yanchr
03-07-2006, 05:56 AM
If anything this result makes me think he much less Nadals bitch than before because Fed was demolished in Miami and only won that match because Nadal couldn't handle the heat or the length of match or whatever, the point is Nadal owned Roger in that match.

I think Roger was the better player at Dubai, I'm a bit pissed off he lossed because he is one of my faves but that said it was a hugely encouraging display ot those Fed fans who think Fed can't handle Nadal. He showed that he can handle Nadal, he didn't manage to do it for long enough to win the match but he showed that he has a game plan and a game which will beat Rafa if it is used appropriately and for long enough.

I an fairly confident Roger will win at least 1 of their next two meetings.
I think out of all their four meetings, only the first one I will say Roger was owned. He actually played pretty OK, but looked simply helpless against Nadal, regardless of the heat strike.

Last Miami final, for the first set and a couple of games in the second set, he was still helpless, but then it was like he suddenly waked up to a way of playing Nadal, and showed us he could beat him, though he still lost this set, thanks to the serious inconsistency. I don't think he won this one because of Nadal's problems.

RG semi final was actually very alike with this Dubai final, where in both Roger stroke me as the player in control. In RG, again he started poorly like in Miami, but made a big improvement by winning the 2nd set playing very decently while in Miami, he played the 2nd set decently but still lost it. Then the 3rd set was exactly what happened in Dubai the last two sets. He played fine, but mentally fucked up when it mattered. I still remember so clearly that I firmly believed it would go to a fifth seeing him so dominant at the beginning of the 4th set in RG, but suddenly he was like totally a different player afterwards. Putting the objective factors aside (eg. the light), I'm not sure what was happening in his head thus reflecting in his hands.

That said, apart from the first one, all the others have been encouraging displays for me to believe that he can and will beat Nadal, even on clay. The problem is, when can and will he put up his efficient game against Nadal for a whole hell match?

I've had enough of him losing to pig's ugly game and shitty on-court manner, while giving me much hope for a positive final outcome by playing quite brilliantly here and there :rolleyes:

World Beater
03-07-2006, 06:39 AM
I think out of all their four meetings, only the first one I will say Roger was owned. He actually played pretty OK, but looked simply helpless against Nadal, regardless of the heat strike.

Last Miami final, for the first set and a couple of games in the second set, he was still helpless, but then it was like he suddenly waked up to a way of playing Nadal, and showed us he could beat him, though he still lost this set, thanks to the serious inconsistency. I don't think he won this one because of Nadal's problems.

RG semi final was actually very alike with this Dubai final, where in both Roger stroke me as the player in control. In RG, again he started poorly like in Miami, but made a big improvement by winning the 2nd set playing very decently while in Miami, he played the 2nd set decently but still lost it. Then the 3rd set was exactly what happened in Dubai the last two sets. He played fine, but mentally fucked up when it mattered. I still remember so clearly that I firmly believed it would go to a fifth seeing him so dominant at the beginning of the 4th set in RG, but suddenly he was like totally a different player afterwards. Putting the objective factors aside (eg. the light), I'm not sure what was happening in his head thus reflecting in his hands.

That said, apart from the first one, all the others have been encouraging displays for me to believe that he can and will beat Nadal, even on clay. The problem is, when can and will he put up his efficient game against Nadal for a whole hell match?

I've had enough of him losing to pig's ugly game and shitty on-court manner, while giving me much hope for a positive final outcome by playing quite brilliantly here and there :rolleyes:


i remember set point for rafa in the third set so vividly in the rg match...roger had a smash and hit it right back to rafa. :retard:

yanchr
03-07-2006, 06:47 AM
i remember set point for rafa in the third set so vividly in the rg match...roger had a smash and hit it right back to rafa. :retard:
Actually that's also the one I remember most clearly, rather than all those ridiculous mishits in the last 5 consecutive lost games :retard: :retard:

SUKTUEN
03-07-2006, 07:07 AM
How many post in this thread??????

Puschkin
03-07-2006, 07:29 AM
RG semi final was actually very alike with this Dubai final, where in both Roger stroke me as the player in control.

Don't put salt in my wounds, but no, Roger was not in control in RG, even if he won the second set. Dubai was much closer, Roger had more total points than Rafael.

SUKTUEN
03-07-2006, 08:54 AM
BUT I want to trust Roger can do it!!!!

makro120
03-07-2006, 11:52 AM
Am I the only one who thinks the 1st set is the best set Federer has ever played in his career?

Also that last serve game Nadal had in the 1st set, where Federer broke to love, that was the best return game I have ever seen in my life. Nadal played great and served good, but Federer was totaly out of this world!

Nocko
03-07-2006, 12:03 PM
I understand Rogiman's feeling, but time to get over it.
I don't like to see this title any more. The next tourny comming soon!
Think positive, guys! ;)

nobama
03-07-2006, 12:11 PM
When Roger's in the zone (ala Wimby 05 final) I don't think anyone can beat him. If he was like that during the 1st set of Dubai then I am confident he has the goods to dismantle Rafa. He just needs to remember what he did in that set and play that way for an entire match.

lsy
03-07-2006, 01:58 PM
:lol: Very interesting discussion going on here which I had fun reading, guys! :yeah:

BTW I've got the most successful thread in the forum :o

When Rogi finally gotten to thrash Nadal in the most dominant fashion, all rogi fans in this forum will line up here one by one and throw pies at you...esp at your thread title, and then this will be the most successful thread in this forum, I agree :p

Till then, this has no comparison to the "Feet" Thread :haha:

I'm glad to see our dear Ron finally crawled out from under his bed and had accepted this defeat rather well :hug: (:secret: no match report for this? :bolt: )

nobama
03-07-2006, 02:29 PM
I wonder when the Nadal-tards in GM are going to quit with this whining about him not getting the credit it he deserves. It's all :bs: I'd like them to tell us who in the media (TV or print) isn't giving Rafa his due and doesn't think he's an amazing player. I'm not sure what people need to do in their eyes to give Rafa the props they feel he deserves.

rofe
03-07-2006, 03:08 PM
When Roger's in the zone (ala Wimby 05 final) I don't think anyone can beat him. If he was like that during the 1st set of Dubai then I am confident he has the goods to dismantle Rafa. He just needs to remember what he did in that set and play that way for an entire match.

Yes, Roger was in the zone but not consistently. Remember the 3rd game in the 2nd set when he inexplicably gave the game to Roddick? Roddick was not really putting any pressure on Roger and yet Roger made a few unforced errors. I saw a similar pattern in the 9th game of the 2nd and 3rd set in the Dubai match.

Also, Roddick that day could not buy court sense even if his life depended on it. Of course, Roger put pressure on him to play that way but it was comical to see Roddick come in when he shouldn't have and play from the baseline when he needed to come in.

I am pretty sure, Roger knows what he has to do against Nadal. It is his execution that is letting him down so I think the more he plays Nadal, the better it will be. He needs to use his power game and get his first serves in when he has a let down. Nadal's game is just one of those that Roger cannot seem to dissect quickly.

RogiFan88
03-07-2006, 03:28 PM
Hmm... the dreaded "Feet" thread... it's a curse!

Speaking of court sense, Albert Costa said of Nadal when he [Rafa] was just starting out on the tour, that Rafa has fantastic court sense, that's what he noticed about the young Mallorcan. Interesting comment.

RonE
03-07-2006, 06:19 PM
That's funny, calling Nadal a 'pig' in GM yesterday made me receive tons of bad reps in a few seconds only. A record I guess :o

Well, they are becoming more virulent then. Because when I introduced this name and created my Piggy Roasting Thread I only received about three or four bad reps but tons of good reps from many people.

If they keep this up we might have to bump up Dirk's "Pork Dorks" thread :p

RonE
03-07-2006, 06:36 PM
:lol: Very interesting discussion going on here which I had fun reading, guys! :yeah:



When Rogi finally gotten to thrash Nadal in the most dominant fashion, all rogi fans in this forum will line up here one by one and throw pies at you...esp at your thread title, and then this will be the most successful thread in this forum, I agree :p

Till then, this has no comparison to the "Feet" Thread :haha:

I'm glad to see our dear Ron finally crawled out from under his bed and had accepted this defeat rather well :hug: (:secret: no match report for this? :bolt: )

:ras:

I was in GM being a proud representative of our little clan unlike "some" other people who wouldn't crawl out from under their bed to go there ;)

As for the match report- Eurosport only showed it from 4-3 in the 2nd set onwards. The best part was blotted out :bigcry:

bokehlicious
03-07-2006, 06:37 PM
If they keep this up we might have to bump up Dirk's "Pork Dorks" thread :p

:lol: :o ;)

I guess they were more virulent because I told it on 'the day of the pig's life', so I should have chosen a more appropriated moment maybe :angel: :o

bokehlicious
03-07-2006, 06:42 PM
As for the match report- Eurosport only showed it from 4-3 in the 2nd set onwards. The best part was blotted out :bigcry:

ES sucked :( and some say it was really a first set by Fed not seen for ages :bigcry:

RonE
03-07-2006, 09:26 PM
ES sucked :( and some say it was really a first set by Fed not seen for ages :bigcry:

ES always sucks. So what else is new? :shrug:

bokehlicious
03-07-2006, 09:38 PM
ES always sucks. So what else is new? :shrug:

;) As I can only see ES France here in the French-speaking part of Switzerland I always wish that Roger draws some Frenchies in order to have a chance to see him play... But on Saturday as Mauresmo was Doha finalist they broadcasted her match on ES France and the Dubai final only on ES2 (that I can't see) :(

SUKTUEN
03-08-2006, 03:38 PM
I cannot watch the match, I also want to watch it

Dirk
03-08-2006, 10:49 PM
Today's match should have been decided in the second set, instead the better player choked and the mentally tougher player won.

Well done, Rafa, you've now joined Nalbandian in the ownership of Roger Federer, and soon you'll get the top spot too.

I totally admire what Roger has achieved, but to be honest - right now I would give away a Slam or two if that could turn their record on its head.

Luckily, I'm not Roger.

You are overreacting. Roger has let down mentally with others but was able to come back and win most of the time, Nadal didn't let him off the hook and Roger paid for it. Roger needs to be pushed to improve some things like his tactics (deeper FH approaches) and staying mentally in there, which is why I think Nadal will spur him on to get better. Roger was allowed to get sloppy because nobody can challenge him.

As for ranking points goes, Nadal has a lot to defend and a lot of ground to cover if he wants the number one ranking.

Remember Rogiman, Roger will always have the matches with Nadal in his hands. Nadal can't win without Roger giving him what he needs (errors, lots of them) so as long as Roger plays slightly clean tennis with Nadal and keeps his head in there then he will always win.

Roger had this coming for a long time. He just can't keep going on with being iffy in the head.

SUKTUEN
03-09-2006, 03:43 PM
Roger is The King, He can find a way to go. ;)

Rogiman
03-18-2006, 08:41 PM
It's a moment of truth, Roger!

Show me I've been wrong! :mad:

:o

yanchr
03-18-2006, 08:52 PM
Time to push Rogiman to edit the tile Roger!!!

Rogiman
03-18-2006, 08:56 PM
Time to push Rogiman to edit the tile Roger!!!
I promise to change it to: "Go Roger, even the h2h against the pig" if Roger wins tomorrow, if he wins another one it'll be: "Well done Roger, now own the pig", at 4:3 to Roger the title will be changed to: "Roger on his way to owning the pig", and at 5:3 the title will be: "Finally Roger owns the pig! ".

But let's start with one ;)
although I've got a bad feeling about it :o

Dirk
03-18-2006, 08:59 PM
I promise to change it to: "Go Roger, even the h2h against the pig" if Roger wins tomorrow, if he wins another one it'll be: "Well done Roger, now own the pig", at 4:3 to Roger the title will be changed to: "Roger on his way to owning the pig", and at 5:3 the title will be: "Finally Roger owns the pig! ".

But let's start with one ;)
although I've got a bad feeling about it :o

I wish you just delete the whole thread. It just reeks of bitterness. We are not suppose to let the HATAS see us sweat.

(why don't you just take up your old military job and you know _______ the Pig. )

Rogiman
03-18-2006, 10:56 PM
This final will decide who the "king of hardcourts is", a 4th loss on asphalt (when the Miami final should have been another loss) would leave very little doubt - no excuses about "slow hardcourt", this is the state of hardcourts nowadays and that's how they play - a 2nd loss in a final in two weeks should be good enough an indication.

Make it easier on me, Roger, and save tennis en-route.

Rogiman
03-18-2006, 11:38 PM
http://www.pacificlifeopen.com/en/news/2006/atp_saturday2.asp

Very nice, Roger! :yeah:

Some good trash-talking to get things going, no need to be friends with your enemy :mad:

Skyward
03-19-2006, 12:45 AM
This final will decide who the "king of hardcourts is.

I'm not sure about it. The "king" must win USO at least once.

Rogiman
03-19-2006, 01:01 AM
I'm not sure about it. The "king" must win USO at least once.
"The Seasonal King" then ;)

Gulliver
03-19-2006, 01:33 AM
This final will decide who the "king of hardcourts is", a 4th loss on asphalt (when the Miami final should have been another loss) would leave very little doubt - no excuses about "slow hardcourt", this is the state of hardcourts nowadays and that's how they play - a 2nd loss in a final in two weeks should be good enough an indication.

Make it easier on me, Roger, and save tennis en-route.


I can't understand why you should state 4 matches between Federer and Nadal, whether it's 1/4 or whatever, should indicate who is "king of hardcourts". Hasn't Federer got a 50 odd winning streak on hard courts (which includes 2 GS) with 1 loss (in Dubai) and who knows, may be another in IW? What is Nadal's record or streak on hardcourts? Is it comparable? How does a 1/4 negate Federer's previous record?

yanchr
03-19-2006, 03:55 AM
I promise to change it to: "Go Roger, even the h2h against the pig" if Roger wins tomorrow, if he wins another one it'll be: "Well done Roger, now own the pig", at 4:3 to Roger the title will be changed to: "Roger on his way to owning the pig", and at 5:3 the title will be: "Finally Roger owns the pig! ".

But let's start with one ;)
although I've got a bad feeling about it :o
Shit I have to stand seeing the title of the thread for another couple of weeks at least :mad: :bigcry: :bounce:

Wait patiently... :D

soonha
03-19-2006, 04:10 AM
Completely agreed, Gulliver.

Some people here are self-conflicting. If being close to lose at Miami is a reason for not being counted, then that Dubai loss should be considered a win because he was close to win in 2 sets? I just can't understand why coming back from 2-set down and 2-point apart from loss doesn't deserve to be considered a win?

I think some Fed fans seem to be kind of over-reacting whenever it comes to Nadal. Remind that, as you could see today, there are several(or perhaps more) other players out there that can deal with him on hard court, while there are just a few with Roger.

Personally I don't care about his H-to-H against Nadal any more, as far as Roger gets to win more Slams, which is more important than reversing the record against Nadal. I would never exchange a Slam to just a H-H record against a player, ever.

nobama
03-19-2006, 05:23 AM
This final will decide who the "king of hardcourts is", a 4th loss on asphalt (when the Miami final should have been another loss) would leave very little doubt - no excuses about "slow hardcourt", this is the state of hardcourts nowadays and that's how they play - a 2nd loss in a final in two weeks should be good enough an indication.

Make it easier on me, Roger, and save tennis en-route.:retard: In fact this entire thread is :retard:

Rogiman
03-19-2006, 03:32 PM
Having watched last night's highlights (unfortunately no way for me to watch the entire match), here are some thoughts:

*Every so called "winner" hit by Nadal was out of defensive position, an unintended retrieved ball off a smash or a powerful forehand hit by James.
Of course, there might have been others who didn't make the cut, but if those are Nadal's highlights - oh boy...
Again, I'm having difficulties figuring what makes people cheer for this kind of tennis, but oh well...

*I can't really understand how Roger managed to lose to him on a fast hardcourt, as it looks to me more than half of the balls Nadal reached would be clean winners on a faster surface.

*I can't think of a single stroke Blake (with all due respect to his great game) hits better than Roger, so I'm convinced the whole issue is purely mental, Nadal is totally intimidated by Blake and is on the defensive right from the first ball.
Roger can execute the same game plan, but seems to lack in precision :confused:
Roger should own Nadal, and I'm now more convinced he will, eventually.

*Why does everyone talk about Nadal's "aggression" with so much owe...?
He's on the defensive side 99% of the time - isn't that quite the contrary to being aggressive...?
The only thing that's aggressive about him is the way he grunts.

*If I read well enough into Roger's last few interviews he kind of knows he'll get Nadal soon.
The sooner the better, Roger! :mad:

SUKTUEN
03-19-2006, 03:54 PM
Good Luck Roger in Final!!!!!!!!!!

Federerthebest
03-20-2006, 10:13 AM
blake shows how to beat nadal, consistent aggression. roger doing right thing but need cut down on errors and keep concentration up
confident roger will get this doping spanish pig soon enough

yanchr
03-20-2006, 11:48 AM
*I can't think of a single stroke Blake (with all due respect to his great game) hits better than Roger, so I'm convinced the whole issue is purely mental, Nadal is totally intimidated by Blake and is on the defensive right from the first ball.
Roger can execute the same game plan, but seems to lack in precision :confused:
Roger should own Nadal, and I'm now more convinced he will, eventually.
I'm not sure, but I do think Roger lacks the consistency to deliver sheer violence to blow Nadal off court like Blake and other guys who just bomb balls usually manage to do against him. Roger can hit the ball hard, which is really essential to beat Nadal, but it seems to me he either is not strong or fit enough to do it throughout the whole match or simply doesn't like to play like that (it's just not his game). That said, surely he has other weapons instead of sheer violence to beat Nadal.
*
The only thing that's aggressive about him is the way he grunts.
:lol: *PUKE*
*If I read well enough into Roger's last few interviews he kind of knows he'll get Nadal soon.
The sooner the better, Roger! :mad:
I think he knows it, and is well ready for their next encounter already. I believe Roger will find out a way to get him sooner than later. Let's wait a bit more patiently...

nobama
03-20-2006, 04:08 PM
Are you able to enjoy Roger's win yesterday? Or not because it wasn't Nadal that he beat?

SUKTUEN
03-20-2006, 04:20 PM
I Really Enjoy Roger's match

Rogiman
04-22-2006, 05:06 PM
Please Roger, make me change this thread's title... :o

Puschkin
04-22-2006, 05:07 PM
Please Roger, make me change this thread's title... :o

He will and I am :mad: because I can't see it.

Junes
04-22-2006, 05:25 PM
Roger,just beat him.

asotgod
04-22-2006, 05:57 PM
What can of silly title is that? Roger will give him a beatdown tomorrow, most likely in 3 sets, at worst 4 sets.

SUKTUEN
04-23-2006, 07:37 AM
COME ON Roger!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad:

yanchr
04-23-2006, 08:16 AM
He will and I am :mad: because I can't see it.
Me neither :bigcry:

Roger, you better watch out :fiery:

SUKTUEN
04-23-2006, 08:49 AM
Be Careful Roger!!

Rogiman
04-23-2006, 05:40 PM
Today Roger fought hard, and deserves respect for that, so I changed the thread's title ;)

I'm sure he'll get him the next time, hopefully at RG final! :devil:

Besides, this kind of tournaments is the bread and butter for a grinder like Nadal, who otherwise has little to offer.
Roger did better than I had expected him to do this week, and the gap between them at the top is so huge, Roger couldn't see Rafa if he used a telescope :devil:

Go champ!

TheMightyFed
04-23-2006, 05:43 PM
It's a good result on clay for Roger against Rafa, he must be able to be aggressive on a long period, he can beat him in RG, I believe in him !
His 2 defeats came against Rafa, he's his nemesis but only one win in RG final would be enough...

Longshot
04-23-2006, 05:44 PM
Nice thread title change. :)
Although they might meet again in Rome or Hamburg....

Rogiman
04-23-2006, 05:45 PM
Nice thread title change. :)
Although they might meet again in Rome or Hamburg....
Thanks and I don't mind Roger losing those two either as long as he wins the one that counts :)

World Beater
04-23-2006, 05:46 PM
one more win...and roger will become nadal's pigeon

:tape:

Rogiman
04-23-2006, 05:48 PM
one more win...and roger will become nadal's pigeon

:tape:
Edberg was Becker's pigeon - but held the edge in Slam finals ;)

lucashg
04-23-2006, 05:49 PM
Nice thread title change. :)
Although they might meet again in Rome or Hamburg....

And I certainly don't want to see him losing in both finals (if they both make it which I doubt) to Nadal. :lol: so "you'll get him in Rome, Hamburg and RG" would be better. :p

But I won't be watching their hideous encounters for a long time.

Mechlan
04-23-2006, 05:50 PM
one more win...and roger will become nadal's pigeon

:tape:

:scared:

MissMoJo
04-23-2006, 05:59 PM
He fought hard at the end, still the same error laden crap from RG, but a better effort nonetheless.

Flibbertigibbet
04-23-2006, 06:03 PM
He should have a good chance at winning either Rome or Hamburg if Nadal manages to get upset, or Nadal pulls out. If Nadal wins Barcelona and Rome, which is very likely, the probable action would be to pull out of Hamburg, and then maybe Roger can have his one title on clay for the year.

World Beater
04-23-2006, 06:04 PM
forget nadal...roger always has had a bad habit of taking the lead and giving a few cheap pts away.

most of the time, fed can recover easily.

but against nadal when you have a gazillion ue's , that asking for too much.

this match should have really been over in three sets. It was federer's toughness that prolonged the match

Fergie
04-23-2006, 06:08 PM
Nice try Rogi! :hug:

yanchr
04-23-2006, 08:08 PM
Nice title :yeah:

Now waiting for Roger to back it up..:rolleyes:

SUKTUEN
04-24-2006, 03:19 AM
sad

daze11
04-24-2006, 03:39 AM
re: Rog is nadal's bitch
c'mon guys...i never posted in here but only out of laziness. roger is so great its almost assumed, so he doesnt need any help.

but i'm sure you all saw the same match i did. he certainly didnt play half as well as he did against all his other opponents, INDEPENDENT of whatever pressure nadal was putting on him. so i hope you're not buying into the idea that nadal has bested him in any important way. he won today but fed now has 2 loses this year against one guy and rafa has 3 loses against 3 people all ranked outside of the top ten. so do the match.

fed had a lot to prove due to his past record with rafael and to prove himself on red clay. he put too much pressure on himself for his body to get loose and perform up to standard. :shrug: he'll wake up tomorrow morning and say, 'that was dumb' and move on.

i'd say just be grateful that matches like this help make it appear that fed is not unreachable. long term for the year, it will make the drama much more interesting.

Whistleway
04-24-2006, 03:55 AM
fed had a lot to prove due to his past record with rafael and to prove himself on red clay. he put too much pressure on himself for his body to get loose and perform up to standard. :shrug: he'll wake up tomorrow morning and say, 'that was dumb' and move on.

i'd say just be grateful that matches like this help make it appear that fed is not unreachable. long term for the year, it will make the drama much more interesting.
thanks.. i think so too..

yanchr
04-24-2006, 08:15 AM
but i'm sure you all saw the same match i did. he certainly didnt play half as well as he did against all his other opponents, INDEPENDENT of whatever pressure nadal was putting on him.
But, it seems like everytime they met he didn't play half as well as he could. That's not coincidence. Must have sth to do with the gamestyle, regardless of pressure.

i'd say just be grateful that matches like this help make it appear that fed is not unreachable. long term for the year, it will make the drama much more interesting.
I hope the drama happens in RG, with an opposite result...

World Beater
04-24-2006, 08:31 AM
c'mon guys...i never posted in here but only out of laziness. roger is so great its almost assumed, so he doesnt need any help.

but i'm sure you all saw the same match i did. he certainly didnt play half as well as he did against all his other opponents, INDEPENDENT of whatever pressure nadal was putting on him. so i hope you're not buying into the idea that nadal has bested him in any important way. he won today but fed now has 2 loses this year against one guy and rafa has 3 loses against 3 people all ranked outside of the top ten. so do the match.

fed had a lot to prove due to his past record with rafael and to prove himself on red clay. he put too much pressure on himself for his body to get loose and perform up to standard. :shrug: he'll wake up tomorrow morning and say, 'that was dumb' and move on.

i'd say just be grateful that matches like this help make it appear that fed is not unreachable. long term for the year, it will make the drama much more interesting.

thanks for your insight in the scoring thread

you are one objective fan

SUKTUEN
04-24-2006, 04:40 PM
Roger is feel the pressure from the reporters and news paper :(

Nocko
04-24-2006, 11:05 PM
Rogiman :hug:
I'm happy that you think positive now. ;)

SUKTUEN
04-25-2006, 05:43 PM
Rogiman :hug:
I'm happy that you think positive now. ;)
me too~~ :devil:

Daniel
04-26-2006, 02:20 AM
Roger :hug: :smooch:

daze11
04-26-2006, 03:25 AM
But, it seems like everytime they met he didn't play half as well as he could. That's not coincidence. Must have sth to do with the gamestyle, regardless of pressure.


I hope the drama happens in RG, with an opposite result...nadal has a great style to fight roger with, but fed just needs to have his own weapons surface to make rafa uncomfortable in return. i admit he hasnt played well against him and it IS odd, but it reminds me of a situation between chris evert & martina navratilova back in the day when everyone was talking about the rivalry & it put a lot of pressure on chris because SHE WAS THE ONE who had more to prove. she had NEVER lost to martina on clay in over ten years but martina had made a tremendous rise to the top. when they met finally on clay, chrissie was trampled 6-2 6-0 in the worst loss of her career. she was all nerves and made tons of errors (this is a woman who once lost only 1 match on clay in 9 years). bud collins even suggested 'that was it' for chris & she'd probably retire! after all, what else could she do? well, i'll tell you what else she could do: the next year, she wasnt under the weight of all the expectations and beat martina in the french final and then she did it again the following year.

so the basic lesson there is dont believe the hype. :)

SUKTUEN
04-26-2006, 04:50 PM
Roger take care :D

Rogiman
05-14-2006, 10:32 PM
Title was changed again ;)

nobama
05-15-2006, 01:04 AM
Title was changed again ;)Love it. :rocker:

Longshot
05-15-2006, 01:32 AM
:yeah:

Oriental_Rain
05-15-2006, 05:12 AM
Fed complains abt Nadal being a lefty that he puts too much spin on his BH so why not try counter attacking nadal's BH too?

SUKTUEN
05-15-2006, 08:38 AM
Roger can win next time~!

landoud
05-15-2006, 11:30 AM
"Now I know it: Roger will get him at Roland Garros"
that exactly what I thought after the match.... he is on the right track to win it
actually before the match ... I didn't believe Roger would go this far with Nadal... but he did ... he had 2 MP so, I really think he has a huge chance to win RG

yanchr
05-15-2006, 12:10 PM
Title was changed again ;)
Roger will get him in RG. YEAH

avocadoe
05-15-2006, 01:50 PM
His chances of winning RG went way up today...I've only seen the masterseries highlights but he was wonderful, fluid, better than I've ever seen himon clay against the best, too. An unlucky net cord or two. One more ace, darn, well enough of that. So glad he pulled out of Hamburg. He got what he needed. More belief. Can't wait to read his interview, hope its aroun here someplace!!!

ytben
05-15-2006, 02:31 PM
Love the new title Rogiman :yeah: After MC, my hope for RG was dimmed on exponential rate to be honest, but after Rome it glows brighter than ever :D

Rogiman
05-15-2006, 02:37 PM
His chances of winning RG went way up today...I've only seen the masterseries highlights but he was wonderful, fluid, better than I've ever seen himon clay against the best, too. :rocker:
Yes guys, keep it coming!

Brianna
05-15-2006, 03:47 PM
Roger will get him in RG. YEAH
My sentiments exactly! Go Roger. :yeah:

RogiFan88
05-15-2006, 04:06 PM
For once, Rogi has the proper preparation and rhythm leading into RG. He has done what he hasn't done before: playing and making the F of MC and Roma, and not playing Hamburg. Sounds good to me! [I never liked him winning Hamburg and then everyone proclaiming him a favourite for RG... it just never worked!]

;)

ALLEZ, RODGEUR!!!

RogiFan88
05-15-2006, 04:07 PM
...let me clarify, it's not the winning of Hamburg I didn't like, it's just the timing, winning just before RG... too close