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nobama
03-04-2006, 06:28 PM
I think there are positives that can be taken from this match. If you think back to Miami last year this match was nothing like that. I remember that match and Roger looked like he didn't have a clue what to do out there and it was only after he figured out that Rafa was exhausted and just ran him around the court that he took control of the match. This match to me was a lot more even with both guys playing incredible tennis.

1sun
03-04-2006, 06:38 PM
Rogi, in spite of his world domination, has always struck me as being slightly vulnerable emotionally - actually, its one of the reasons I'm a fan!
so true, i dont think federer is a naturaly confident man but through his abilities he has created his own mental confidence. the problem with this confidence is that it is easily lost.

nobama
03-04-2006, 06:48 PM
Actually I felt the crowd was slightly more pro-Nadal today. Maybe that played a part. One thing I noticed though was Roger's emotions never seemed to change in this match. He seemed totally emotionless. Even when he dropped serve he didn't look angry or upset with himself, it was just like 'ok whatever'. I thought that was strange.

Sjengster
03-04-2006, 06:52 PM
It was VERY pro-Nadal, in fact I'm surprised no-one's brought that up as an excuse in the GM thread. The Spanish contingent completely took over the atmosphere. I mean come on, when an umpire starts saying to a raucous crowd in Dubai before the start of a point, "Thank you, gracias", you know that it's heavily Spanish. They certainly were vocal at the end of the match on the big points, not enough to actively put Federer off I don't think, but they can't have helped.

1sun
03-04-2006, 06:54 PM
and mirkaland, you have to relise that when your fav loses in the way roger did,(mental fuck up)especialy considering his level of play early on, naturaly you get upset and angry, so dont blame people for expressing their emotions.

Sjengster
03-04-2006, 06:58 PM
I agree, although Rogiman's thread was a bit much.

Skyward
03-04-2006, 07:02 PM
They certainly were vocal at the end of the match on the big points, not enough to actively put Federer off I don't think, but they can't have helped.

I didn't see the match. But I doubt that it was worse than in NY against Agassi.

Sjengster
03-04-2006, 07:03 PM
No, it was nothing like that. Just a different opponent across the net.

nobama
03-04-2006, 07:31 PM
and mirkaland, you have to relise that when your fav loses in the way roger did,(mental fuck up)especialy considering his level of play early on, naturaly you get upset and angry, so dont blame people for expressing their emotions.Excuses, excuses. Can't you ever give Rafa his due? ;)

nobama
03-04-2006, 07:32 PM
No, it was nothing like that. Just a different opponent across the net.And not the finals of a grand slam.

Daniel
03-04-2006, 08:13 PM
Roger, I expected you to win this match in 2 sets and now i am crying your loss. :sad:

Can you improve and left this loss behind and go and go and win IW and Miami and teach that leftie you not gonna be his Bitch ever no more ??

1sun
03-04-2006, 08:21 PM
Excuses, excuses. Can't you ever give Rafa his due? ;)
lol

RogiFan88
03-04-2006, 09:05 PM
Well an easy win as predicted but then it s be vs. Youzhny. But unless a miracle happens and Rainer beats Rafa, Rogi will face Rafa in the Final so he has to be sharp! It will be a good test for him -- it's been far too long a wait for Rogi's revenge match. I said I w be satisfied w Rogi making the SF... now that he's into the Final, he has to win it but it will be a monumental test. Let's see if he can pass it!

GO, ROGI! Your toughest final so far... vs. the toughest competitor and opponent on the tour.

Did I not say that this final vs. Rafa w be a monumental task? And I was trying to be positive, thinking that Rogi could win but w great difficulty.

Anyway, sounds like it was a better matchup than at RG05 SF [yuk] and you know, Rafa doesn't let Rogi play HIS game. Rogi just has to know that the chances of him meeting Rafa in a final are very high so he will have to find a solution to the challenge that is Rafael Nadal. Rogi has raised the bar for tennis and now Rafa is doing the same for Rogi. So yes, let's hope that Rafa keeps pushing Rogi to a higher level also.

Am I disappointed, yes, this was a significant final for Rogi... but well done to Rafa, he's a biturbo on the court, any court.

NYCtennisfan
03-04-2006, 09:49 PM
Some things of note about this match:

1) Rafa is mentally the strongest player on tour. Anyone else who was getting Roger's A game would've folded like a cheap tent under an onslaught of love games, but Rafa didn't.

2) This is somewhat of a corollary to #1. Federer's best is better than anyone's (1st set showed that clearly), but against Rafa, you have to keep it up for the entire match because unlike other players, he simply does not lose confidence in his ability. Also, Federer's game will vary from perhaps his A game down to his B- game as it did today. Rafa is almost ALWAYS going to be playing his B+/A- game because of the consistency of his game. There will never a great, unattainable high from him, but he will almost never go below 'very good'. Fed's level dropped a bit, Rafa started winning more points and Fed's confidence dropped and he probably thought about his other matches with Rafa.

mangoes
03-04-2006, 10:12 PM
Some things of note about this match:

1) Rafa is mentally the strongest player on tour. Anyone else who was getting Roger's A game would've folded like a cheap tent under an onslaught of love games, but Rafa didn't.

2) This is somewhat of a corollary to #1. Federer's best is better than anyone's (1st set showed that clearly), but against Rafa, you have to keep it up for the entire match because unlike other players, he simply does not lose confidence in his ability. Also, Federer's game will vary from perhaps his A game down to his B- game as it did today. Rafa is almost ALWAYS going to be playing his B+/A- game because of the consistency of his game. There will never a great, unattainable high from him, but he will almost never go below 'very good'. Fed's level dropped a bit, Rafa started winning more points and Fed's confidence dropped and he probably thought about his other matches with Rafa.

Agree :)

nobama
03-04-2006, 11:05 PM
Some things of note about this match:

1) Rafa is mentally the strongest player on tour. Anyone else who was getting Roger's A game would've folded like a cheap tent under an onslaught of love games, but Rafa didn't.

2) This is somewhat of a corollary to #1. Federer's best is better than anyone's (1st set showed that clearly), but against Rafa, you have to keep it up for the entire match because unlike other players, he simply does not lose confidence in his ability. Also, Federer's game will vary from perhaps his A game down to his B- game as it did today. Rafa is almost ALWAYS going to be playing his B+/A- game because of the consistency of his game. There will never a great, unattainable high from him, but he will almost never go below 'very good'. Fed's level dropped a bit, Rafa started winning more points and Fed's confidence dropped and he probably thought about his other matches with Rafa.Great analysis, but Roger had broken back in the third set and had a couple easy service games and was playing much better than he had at the end of the second. I honestly thought he would pull it off after that. I did not expect him to have a brainfart at 4-all in the third. I agree that Rafa doesn't fold like a lot of players do, but I still think Roger gifted him that second break at the end of the third set and then it was all over.

Sjengster
03-04-2006, 11:10 PM
He won 13 service points in a row, I think up to 15-0 in that 4-4 game, but then in that game the first serve just vanished, the same as it did at 4-4 in the previous set. If I could really pinpoint a couple of points where he lost the match, it would be a) at 1-0, 15-30 on Nadal's serve at the start of the second set, where he had a short forehand and ballooned the approach shot long, and b) at 4-3, 0-15 on Nadal's serve in the third set, when again he had a short forehand but it was bouncing high with the Nadal spin and he mishit it over the baseline. He didn't have a single breakpoint in the second set, winning that first one would have got him to 15-40, and the second one would have got him up 0-30, halfway to breaking and then serving for the match. Half-chances, yes, but those are the ones you need to take against Nadal.

Fedex
03-04-2006, 11:16 PM
Some things of note about this match:

1) Rafa is mentally the strongest player on tour. Anyone else who was getting Roger's A game would've folded like a cheap tent under an onslaught of love games, but Rafa didn't.

2) This is somewhat of a corollary to #1. Federer's best is better than anyone's (1st set showed that clearly), but against Rafa, you have to keep it up for the entire match because unlike other players, he simply does not lose confidence in his ability. Also, Federer's game will vary from perhaps his A game down to his B- game as it did today. Rafa is almost ALWAYS going to be playing his B+/A- game because of the consistency of his game. There will never a great, unattainable high from him, but he will almost never go below 'very good'. Fed's level dropped a bit, Rafa started winning more points and Fed's confidence dropped and he probably thought about his other matches with Rafa.
Excellent analysis :)

NYCtennisfan
03-04-2006, 11:17 PM
Sjenster, I agree with that. Rafa even mentioned in his interview that the gained a lot of confidence when he came back from 0-30 dwon 0-1 in the second. If Fed breaks there, he would've rolled him in about 25 more minutes.

Mirkaland, I too thought that Fed would break at either 3-2 up or 4-3 up in the third after he had broken back and held comfortably. That's exactly what he does against everyone else, but he couldn't put it together in this one and then he tensed up and gave away the breat at 4-4. Ironically, that's what Fed's opponents usually do--crack under the pressure.

yanchr
03-05-2006, 03:20 AM
Sjenster, I agree with that. Rafa even mentioned in his interview that the gained a lot of confidence when he came back from 0-30 dwon 0-1 in the second. If Fed breaks there, he would've rolled him in about 25 more minutes.
Yeah, I remember sb said during that moment, Roger'd better not regret about that later...unluckily...

TennisGrandSlam
03-05-2006, 03:23 AM
Roger should train with a left-hander!

yanchr
03-05-2006, 06:41 AM
I just watched the replay of the match. Shit I'm becoming angry...

SUKTUEN
03-05-2006, 09:02 AM
OH MY Rogi~~~ why??

TennisGrandSlam
03-05-2006, 09:13 AM
OH MY Rogi~~~ why??


Because Nadal is left-hander :o

SUKTUEN
03-05-2006, 09:18 AM
Because Nadal is left-hander :o
Why left hand and then? :sad:

avocadoe
03-05-2006, 12:38 PM
left handers have a different look on the court, mirror opposite, and spins are different coing at you...I agree with the good analysis above, key moments, consistency and first serve gone in 4-All games. I didn't take it to hard. i'm identifying with Roger who gets over his losses quick and moves on. Looking forward to a month of Roger playing. He's my guy win or lose :)

Nocko
03-05-2006, 01:08 PM
Why left hand and then? :sad:
SUK, Rogi has to get used to play against Nadal. :hug:

RogiFan88
03-05-2006, 02:42 PM
What is this? GM? Who are the dorks starting all these ridiculous threads in Rogi's forum anyway, most of whom I've never seen in here before...

RogiFan88
03-05-2006, 02:43 PM
I just watched the replay of the match. Shit I'm becoming angry...

Why?

What I'd like to know is, in the end, who played well? Was this a high-level tennis match? Did Rogi play well? Did Rafa play well? Or both or neither? Didn't see it so I am curious. In other words was this loss a bad one?

SUKTUEN
03-05-2006, 03:08 PM
SUK, Rogi has to get used to play against Nadal. :hug:
OK, I will wait for Roger beat Nadal

stebs
03-05-2006, 03:27 PM
What I'd like to know is, in the end, who played well?

Both of them played at a high standard.

Was this a high-level tennis match?

Very high-level.

Did Rogi play well? Did Rafa play well?

Both. Rogi ripped Rafa apart in the first set. The next two were similar, a high standard of tennis with Roger probably playing better than Rafa but then Roger lost it mentally at the same point in both sets.

The 9th game :mad:

Rogiman
03-05-2006, 04:04 PM
Roger probably playing better than Rafa but then Roger lost it mentally at the same point in both sets.

The 9th game :mad:

Which is why I make so much noise.
If the score was sth like 6:4 6:2 I wouldv'e said "too good" and moved on, possibly stopped watching tennis for there was no hope for the game :o

But that was not the case, and dropping serve twice in key moments shows it's a mere brainfart, and I can't accept it that Roger is indeed intimidated by Rafa's "Vamos" nonsense.

As for Roger saying "Rafa was the better player today" anybody who believes it is an idiot, plain and simple.

nobama
03-05-2006, 05:17 PM
Why?

What I'd like to know is, in the end, who played well? Was this a high-level tennis match? Did Rogi play well? Did Rafa play well? Or both or neither? Didn't see it so I am curious. In other words was this loss a bad one?No, this was an incredible tennis match. The Las Vegas announcers on the Tennis Channel called it a "classic". I thought they both played really well except for Roger's mental lapses in the 9th game of the 2nd and 3rd set. Roger was broken 1st game of the 3rd set, but then he was able to break back and had 2 comfortable service games. I really thought he would pull it out in the end, but Rafa held his nerve. I understand why people are upset and disappointed because it was so close. But I'd be feeling a lot worse if Rafa had owned Roger from the start and it was a repeat of Miami 05. Clearly Roger showed that he knows what to do and hopefully the next time they meet he can get it done.

NYCtennisfan
03-05-2006, 05:45 PM
Which is why I make so much noise.
If the score was sth like 6:4 6:2 I wouldv'e said "too good" and moved on, possibly stopped watching tennis for there was no hope for the game

But that was not the case, and dropping serve twice in key moments shows it's a mere brainfart, and I can't accept it that Roger is indeed intimidated by Rafa's "Vamos" nonsense.

As for Roger saying "Rafa was the better player today" anybody who believes it is an idiot, plain and simple.

The entire reason why (other than a few technical reasons) that it is hard for Roger to beat Rafa is that in this matchup, the shoe is on the other foot. It is Roger who has wilted under the pressure that his opponents almost always do. How many times have his opponents in the past been unable to keep holding serve late in a set? That's what is unnerving about this match. Federer played really well. He won 7 more total points even AFTER Rafa served up a love game to take the title. This is because of all the love and 15 games he served up. This is most likely a good sign, but there is that lingering doubt that Federer can't beat Rafa even if he is playing as well as did yesterday.

nobama
03-05-2006, 10:36 PM
Maybe we're all reading to much into this match just because it was against Nadal. We know what Roger's done after tough losses before - gone on to win multiple tournaments. OK maybe Nadal is in Roger's head right now, but he's not in everyone's head and if he had to face say James Blake in IW I'm not 100% confident that he would beat him.

mangoes
03-05-2006, 11:22 PM
The sadness has gone now :lol: and onto a positive note. I'm crossing my fingers that Roger wins the FO this year, so he needs all the Nadal practice now. It may not be clay, but he is getting more and more accustomed to Nadal..........(he won the first set very convincingly). So better the loss at Dubai than FO if it is a positive stepping stone toward winning the FO because I won't be surprised if we have a Federer/Nadal final there.

AgassiDomination
03-06-2006, 02:59 AM
The sadness has gone now :lol: and onto a positive note. I'm crossing my fingers that Roger wins the FO this year, so he needs all the Nadal practice now. It may not be clay, but he is getting more and more accustomed to Nadal..........(he won the first set very convincingly). So better the loss at Dubai than FO if it is a positive stepping stone toward winning the FO because I won't be surprised if we have a Federer/Nadal final there.
Use common sense. If Nadal beat him on a hardcourt, it'll be almost twice as hard for Fed to beat him on clay. :rolleyes:

RogiFan88
03-06-2006, 03:46 AM
Use common sense. If Nadal beat him on a hardcourt, it'll be almost twice as hard for Fed to beat him on clay. :rolleyes:

So I guess we might as well all give up on Rogi ever winning RG as long as Rafa is around, which will be as long as Rogi is playing, is that it? Gee, thanks for coming into our forum and telling us the edifying news. :rolleyes:

bokehlicious
03-06-2006, 08:21 AM
Use common sense. If Nadal beat him on a hardcourt, it'll be almost twice as hard for Fed to beat him on clay. :rolleyes:

Roger will beat Nadal when it really counts (slams), whatever the surface :o :p

nobama
03-06-2006, 11:21 AM
Use common sense. If Nadal beat him on a hardcourt, it'll be almost twice as hard for Fed to beat him on clay. :rolleyes:That's assuming no one else is going to beat either of them. I'm not prepared to make that assumption.

knoxy
03-06-2006, 11:58 AM
Use common sense. If Nadal beat him on a hardcourt, it'll be almost twice as hard for Fed to beat him on clay. :rolleyes:
Roger is not a one dimensional player like Nadal. He will adjust and adapt his game according to who he’s playing and what type of court surface he’s playing on. So when RG comes around he will beat Nadal.

mangoes
03-06-2006, 01:43 PM
Use common sense. If Nadal beat him on a hardcourt, it'll be almost twice as hard for Fed to beat him on clay. :rolleyes:

Yes, Nadal beat Roger so convincingly :rolleyes: ...................whatever......... Even on clay, I'm convinced Roger is capable of beating Nadal. But, maybe Roger needs to get rid of that slight doubt he MAY have........ I'm simply saying that Nadal didn't dominate Roger at Dubai and that may have been a positive step in allowing Roger to begin to rid himself of any doubts he may have.............. Secondly, Roger may have also realized that when he does have Nadal against the wall, he should not assume that like most players Nadal will be looking for a white flag to wave. Roger never had the opportunity in Miami or 2005 FO to realize this fact about Nadal. I don't consider their first meeting to have been significant because Roger was sick. So the next time they meet, this is a little fact that Roger is now very aware of..................... To some it may not seem like much, but it may be a small stepping stone toward Roger turning around their head to head ratio.


That's assuming no one else is going to beat either of them. I'm not prepared to make that assumption.

I don't think anyone is assuming that Roger vs Rafa is a guaranteed final for FO 06..............however, very few will be surprised if they are in the final. I want Roger to win the FO this year and frankly, the player I see standing in his way is Rafa. But, there will always be the looming possibility of upsets................as in every other tournament.

yanchr
03-07-2006, 06:05 AM
The entire reason why (other than a few technical reasons) that it is hard for Roger to beat Rafa is that in this matchup, the shoe is on the other foot. It is Roger who has wilted under the pressure that his opponents almost always do. How many times have his opponents in the past been unable to keep holding serve late in a set? That's what is unnerving about this match. Federer played really well. He won 7 more total points even AFTER Rafa served up a love game to take the title. This is because of all the love and 15 games he served up. This is most likely a good sign, but there is that lingering doubt that Federer can't beat Rafa even if he is playing as well as did yesterday.
It seems like Roger is having a mental problem at crucial stages against Nadal like his opponents are usually having against him. And yes it is upset that he still couldn't beat him even if he was playing quite fine :sad: :(

yanchr
03-07-2006, 06:07 AM
Use common sense. If Nadal beat him on a hardcourt, it'll be almost twice as hard for Fed to beat him on clay. :rolleyes:
This is only your common sense though :rolleyes:

SUKTUEN
03-07-2006, 06:12 AM
GO Roger for next year`!!!!!!!!!

AgassiDomination
03-07-2006, 03:18 PM
This is only your common sense though :rolleyes:
You just lack common sense.

bokehlicious
03-07-2006, 03:22 PM
You just lack common sense.

You're in the Fed fans place here, so we should have Fed fans common sense I guess :)

yanchr
03-08-2006, 10:53 AM
You just lack common sense.
You just make no sense. :D

Rog1
03-08-2006, 12:17 PM
That's assuming no one else is going to beat either of them. I'm not prepared to make that assumption.


Hi Mirkaland,

I love your Roger video. Drool.......... :p


Linda (Luton-UK)

SUKTUEN
03-08-2006, 02:29 PM
is time to make this thread be down.