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AUS v SWE in Adelaide

nitsansh
11-12-2003, 07:48 AM
Adelaide hosts Davis Cup

Australia will host their first-round Davis Cup tie against Sweden next February in Adelaide, Tennis Australia said on Monday. Australia meet Spain in the final of this year's Davis Cup in Melbourne later this month.

It will be the third time Adelaide has hosted a Davis Cup tie, but the decision on the surface will be made after the final against Spain.

Australia thrashed India 5-0 in a World Group qualifier on a hardcourt surface in the South Australian capital last year, while they beat Germany 3-2 on grass in the quarter-finals in 2000.

"Adelaide will give us the flexibility in selecting a surface as well as being able to accommodate a tie that is likely to generate substantial local interest," Tennis Australia president Geoff Pollard said in a statement.

Sweden have won the Cup six times in the past 20 years but the Australians have beaten them in their last two meetings, the most recent a 5-0 quarter-final victory in Malmo in April.

The tie will be played the weekend of February 6-8.

The Davis Cup final will be played on grass at Melbourne's Rod Laver Arena from November 28-30.

Kristen
11-14-2003, 02:54 AM
Anyone else going?
I'm gonna fly out on the 5th. Dammit I'm not interested in going to adelaide! *no offence to the locals, I'm from Sydney so I'm meant to think my city is the best in the country!*.

azza
11-15-2003, 05:46 AM
Another 5-0 thrashing?.. MAYBE

if you are winning 3-0 GIVE THE FINAL 2 RUBBERS TO REID AND GUCCIONE!!!! Not Woodbridge :rolleyes:

Kristen
11-16-2003, 01:23 AM
ahh but this time we may have Thomas Johansson and Thomas Enqvist back. lol yes grasping at straws. But, that said, I have watched Soderling's progress closely this year. He's made Philippoussis fight hard to beat him, and I think if he plays his best, again, it'll be tight. Bjorkman and Robin for singles :D Dammit I want t see Aspelin (or Vinci) as jonas' doubles partner.

And, Magnus did play well against Mark...Joachim should've beaten old f**t (whom I do like, prob my favourite aussie!) Wayne. lol I think Mark will be Sweden's biggest threat., and Robin will be the one the aussies should look out for. Gosh I'm slightly warped...I don't even sound Aussie.
Go Poms in World Cup! ;)

kim4eva
11-22-2003, 04:29 AM
Anyone else going?
I'm gonna fly out on the 5th. Dammit I'm not interested in going to adelaide! *no offence to the locals, I'm from Sydney so I'm meant to think my city is the best in the country!*.

i agree sydney is sure the best in australia! coz i come from sydney too :p

Aphex
01-29-2004, 10:36 PM
Wilander has picked this preliminary team: Björkman, Enqvist, Söderling, J.Johansson, Aspelin.

I hope he picks Aspelin for doubles, so he doesn't do the same mistake as last year. It would be interesting to see a best-buddies match-up Hewitt vs. J.Johansson. Totally contrasting styles.

I wonder if Björkman will be picked for singles as well, he was really disappointing in the AO singles.

No, probably will be Enqvist and Soderling in singles, Wilander seems to like the stereotype swedish style players.

Bjorkman and Pim-pim in doubles, Wilander only brought along Aspelin for show. It still will be very difficult to beat those Aussies. :sad:

Kristen
01-31-2004, 10:26 AM
Wilander has picked this preliminary team: Björkman, Enqvist, Söderling, J.Johansson, Aspelin.

I hope he picks Aspelin for doubles, so he doesn't do the same mistake as last year. It would be interesting to see a best-buddies match-up Hewitt vs. J.Johansson. Totally contrasting styles.

I wonder if Björkman will be picked for singles as well, he was really disappointing in the AO singles.

No, probably will be Enqvist and Soderling in singles, Wilander seems to like the stereotype swedish style players.

Bjorkman and Pim-pim in doubles, Wilander only brought along Aspelin for show. It still will be very difficult to beat those Aussies. :sad:


Yup...spoke to Jonas at the Aussie, and he was the only Swede to give me info! lol... Said Aspelin is the fifth guy :confused: I realise the other guys are great in singles, but I dont trust someone with Jonas, like I'd trust simon.No bias here ;)

I'd feel most confident with Soderling/Johansson in Singles (if not Jonas). I think the young guys could do well, but I dunno if they'd keep their wits about them if, say, they were down a couple of sets :sad:
Anyway... I'll be cheering on my boys in the yellow and blue :D

Sad that kim didnt kick ass today..but as she said, she's pleased to have gotten so far with the sore leg. Damn her for making me not hate lleyton! Damn sweet girl! lol...

Aphex
01-31-2004, 06:17 PM
I'd feel most confident with Soderling/Johansson in Singles (if not Jonas). I think the young guys could do well, but I dunno if they'd keep their wits about them if, say, they were down a couple of sets :sad:
Anyway... I'll be cheering on my boys in the yellow and blue :D

I don't know if Wilander is willing to take that risk. Robin has never played DC before and Pim-pim only a dead rubber vs. Australia. Then they haven't lost twice in a row to the Oz as the old guys, so why not? :)

Via
02-02-2004, 06:21 AM
hey - has anyone else heard that if aus beats sweden, and usa beats austria, then the 2nd round will be played in sydney? .... or do i have funny ears??

Kristen
02-02-2004, 06:58 AM
Via, I thought I overheard someone saying that during the AO final actually. Presumptuous fools they are! Sweden and Austria are gonna kick ass! (In my dreams ;)) Mind you, if the next tie was in Sydney, I wouldnt mind too much :)

Aphex
02-02-2004, 07:00 AM
I've heard that if Sweden beats Australia and Austria beats the US, it'll be big pay-back time at home for Sweden for that humiliating away defeat in the relegation match vs. Austria in '99... :p

Action Jackson
02-02-2004, 08:08 AM
Söderling will be playing singles, as for the other singles player I am not sure, but I don't think it will be Björkman.

Kristen
02-02-2004, 08:33 AM
lol George, stop ruining my 3 days of Bjorkman fantasy! :) I reckon they'd throw him in there in the fifth rubber... possibly! lol and if its dead... cant you imagine... bjorkman vs reid. How dejected would you feel. But, seriously... I can imagine Joachim putting up a good fight against Scud (also being trashed on tv lately, lol!)

Robin is a smart choice :O)

WyverN
02-02-2004, 02:51 PM
Why isnt Tomas Johansson playing?
I thought he was excellent despite losing to Phillipoussis in the 1st round. Mark was on fire and Tomas still could have taken the match with some luck.
Surely he would be a good option with Soderling for singles.

Kristen
02-02-2004, 02:58 PM
Thomas chose to play one of the big challengers n Europe this week/weekend. He wants to improve on his ranking and form (yeah go figure... I agree he did extremely well the other night!) before he takes on DC stuff again.

The little Swedes (lol) give me confidence though. Beating some big names recently... with Robin doing so well last year, and poor Rainer getting his ass kicked over the last two tournies! lol...

Scotso
02-02-2004, 03:05 PM
Lleyton vs. PimPim would be fun :D

Kristen
02-02-2004, 03:15 PM
Indeed! I only hope Jaslyn becomes a traitor (like myself) when it comes to the Davis Cup ties between Aus and Sweden! hehe... ok I'm a tennis traitor at all times... kom igen ^_^

Aphex
02-05-2004, 07:06 AM
Official swedish selection: singles: Söderling and Enqvist, doubles: Björkman/ J.Johansson. No best-mates match Pim-pim vs. Hewitt. Untried doubles team, half-unexperienced. Söderling's first DC-tie ever. Wilander has a lot of faith in the youngsters.

TheBoiledEgg
02-05-2004, 10:36 AM
Australia 0 0 Sweden
R1 - M.PHILIPPOUSSIS (AUS) vs T.ENQVIST (SWE)
R2 - L.HEWITT (AUS) vs R.SODERLING (SWE)
R3 - W.ARTHURS / T.WOODBRIDGE (AUS) vs J.BJORKMAN / J.JOHANSSON (SWE)
R4 - M.PHILIPPOUSSIS (AUS) vs R.SODERLING (SWE)
R5 - L.HEWITT (AUS) vs T.ENQVIST (SWE)

TheBoiledEgg
02-05-2004, 10:37 AM
Tompa has to win 1st match
go Sweden :D :) :)

azza
02-05-2004, 11:38 AM
pfffffff @ the egg :p

Aphex
02-05-2004, 06:29 PM
Flip must be totally on after those comments by Cash. :awww: Anyway, finally swedish state stalin tv is showing some DC. A long night awaits. Go Sweden!

Ma. Estefania
02-05-2004, 10:13 PM
Luck for all the Swedish team.

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 12:54 AM
Anyone following the Live Score? Enqvist is leading 2-1!!! Go Sweden!

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 01:10 AM
Yipee! Enqvist takes first set 6-3.

Deboogle!.
02-06-2004, 01:11 AM
I'm following it but I don't know who I want to win. I like both countries and all of the players.

Enqvist out-aced Flip in the 1st set 2-1 and took it 6-3. wow!

Billabong
02-06-2004, 01:14 AM
Enqvist has 2 break points in the second set.. come on Flip! GO!!!

Deboogle!.
02-06-2004, 01:15 AM
Wow I wonder if it's Flip not playing well or Enqvist playing really well....

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 01:18 AM
Blame Cash if Flip loses...

Actually bunk, I'm not a real fan of either teams. I'm just sick of Australia always winning.

Deboogle!.
02-06-2004, 01:24 AM
LOL!!

Well Sweden winning is much better for Team USA of course... but I much prefer the Australian players so I don't know who to vote for lol

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 01:31 AM
Enqvist leading 4-3 in second set. I wonder what the crowd in Adelaide is like.

Interesting how Flip's avg. 2nd serve is faster than his 1st.

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 01:43 AM
What's wrong Flip? :(
Sweden leading 6-3, 6-4.

WyveN
02-06-2004, 01:45 AM
Mark is useless as usual :lol:

Enqvist has won around 22 consecutive points on serve

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 01:46 AM
Right-o...Enqvist breaks again.
I think we'll have to see how Hewitt fares against Soderling.

Ando
02-06-2004, 01:48 AM
Hewitt will take care of Soderling, he has even more motivation to do it now...

Sammy
02-06-2004, 01:57 AM
Well I hope you're wrong Ando.

I'll be cheering for Soderling.

I saw him play against Escude in Melbourne and even though he lost, I reckon he's got the goods.
I reckon he can beat Hewitt.

And also, Soderling's Swedish fans have GOT to beat the cheering match against those berloody fanatics!

Go Soderling!

BTW; Enqvist leads, 6 -3, 6-4, 3-2.

WyveN
02-06-2004, 02:00 AM
Yes, you would think the tie was in Sweden.

To be fair Mark is playing alright, Enquist is playing amazingly well though. I don't think the court speed suits Mark so that was a mistake.

Hantuchov
02-06-2004, 02:01 AM
Thomas :yeah: :D

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 02:05 AM
Hmmm...I think Enqvist is going to finish Flip in under 90 minutes.

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 02:08 AM
That was quick...

Hantuchov
02-06-2004, 02:09 AM
Thomas :eek:

WD! :D :yeah:

Deboogle!.
02-06-2004, 02:09 AM
Yes, you would think the tie was in Sweden.

To be fair Mark is playing alright, Enquist is playing amazingly well though. I don't think the court speed suits Mark so that was a mistake.

Well that's good for Enqvist then...

and yep 1:26!

Sammy
02-06-2004, 02:10 AM
lol.

Well done Enqvist!

They just showed the Swedish fans cheering and clapping.
The Aussie fans, who they showed straight after, were rather quiet.

*grin*

Sammy
02-06-2004, 02:44 AM
Soderling wins first game! 1-0!!!!!

Deboogle!.
02-06-2004, 02:53 AM
Robin's having a hard time holding serve

Sammy
02-06-2004, 02:55 AM
Sun's in his (Soderlings) eyes!

*calls in the clouds*

Deboogle!.
02-06-2004, 03:07 AM
is he wearing a hat or something? I mean.... the sun would be in Lleyton's eyes too, no? lol

Doesn't seem like high noon or so is the best time for a tennis match when it's that hot, but whatever... he's doing well saving BPs though

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 03:22 AM
Wow! Just been away for 40minutes...looks like a very tight second match.

Go Robin!!! :clap2:

Deboogle!.
02-06-2004, 03:25 AM
Yea Robin clearly doesn't give up - he's saved all 6 BPs so far.... even if he doesn't pull it out, he's putting up a nice fight against the hometown boy

Deboogle!.
02-06-2004, 03:27 AM
Guess I spoke too soon, he was broken on the 8th bp.

Bubble
02-06-2004, 03:40 AM
That scoreboard from DC is very impressive... :eek:

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 03:49 AM
Robin finally holds serve!!

Yeah, you are right about the scoreboard bunk.

TheBoiledEgg
02-06-2004, 03:49 AM
Tompa :banana: :woohoo: :D :)
great stuff :D :)

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 03:51 AM
Oh no...did I just jinx Robin? :awww:

Deboogle!.
02-06-2004, 03:55 AM
the scoreboard is the shit, with the serve animations and stuff!! :yeah:

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 03:55 AM
Wow! Robin managed to hang on.

I didn't watch the AO live...did the scoreboard have a similar layout?

Pink Panther
02-06-2004, 04:02 AM
I guess it's difficult to have these things real-time. But several times, Hewitt was up 30-15 and then the suddenly he's back to 15 all. :confused:

Deboogle!.
02-06-2004, 04:03 AM
similar but not quite as detailed. didn't have the serve animations or anything.

Aphex
02-06-2004, 08:42 AM
is this the time to break the away jinx against australia? tompa was awesome against the scud. he really made him look slow and immobile. i don't believe much in the doubles though. how much doubles have pim-pim played in his career? it will be up to Enqvist and Söderling in the reverse singles. and Hewitt in Adelaide? hmm... Thomas did beat him there in '99(?), but then Hewitt was 17 or something. Robin has a very similar game to Enqvist's, so i guess there is still hope.

Raquel
02-06-2004, 02:16 PM
Well done Lleyton :bounce:

Dirk
02-07-2004, 04:54 AM
Come on Sweden win the doubles match!!!!!!!! 4-4 5th set.

star
02-07-2004, 05:10 AM
Oh my gosh!!!

What a thriller!!

Congratulatings Swedes!!!!

Jonas!!!!! Thomas!!!!!!

Dirk
02-07-2004, 05:10 AM
Yes they did it. 7-5 in the 5th. Come on Thomas and take out Hewitt. I bet that will be a great match.

star
02-07-2004, 05:12 AM
7-6(5), 6-4, 2-6, 6-7(4), 7-5

And a gallant fight from WaynO and Toddy!!

star
02-07-2004, 05:13 AM
I think that Hewitt will do quite nicely in the singles. The question is Poo.

Havok
02-07-2004, 05:22 AM
why aren't they using Bjorkman for singles:confused: i would pick him over soderling and the other dude

JeLuliA88
02-07-2004, 05:43 AM
The aussie commentators are completely stunned with the loss...hehehe. Now it's time for the Swedes to take out Hewitt :)

Go Sweden!

Trent
02-07-2004, 06:48 AM
why aren't they using Bjorkman for singles:confused: i would pick him over soderling and the other dude

They still might, tomorrows lineup can still be changed at this stage. They'll definately stick Enquist out there, and I'd say most likely Bjorkman, although he was out on court in the heat for nearly 4 and a half hours today.

CooCooCachoo
02-07-2004, 07:26 AM
Congratulatings Swedes!!!!

Jonas!!!!! Thomas!!!!!!

Isn't it Joachim Johansson that played, not Thomas? Oh well, go Jonas! :) Tough luck, Todd!

TheBoiledEgg
02-07-2004, 09:19 AM
:woohoo: Heja Sverige :banana: :)

Jazzy
02-07-2004, 10:27 AM
wat a doubles match, tlk 'bout a momentom swing!!
congrats Sweden was to good

Action Jackson
02-07-2004, 10:46 AM
Yes, it was Joachim Johansson that played very well in the doubles.

star
02-07-2004, 02:33 PM
Isn't it Joachim Johansson that played, not Thomas? Oh well, go Jonas! :) Tough luck, Todd!

Lol........ my bad!!

star
02-07-2004, 02:35 PM
I guess the Aussie Fanatics acted up a bit and were directing some personal comments to Pim Pim while he was serving in the fourth set.

Great audio interview with Joachim and Jonas at the Davis Cup site.

Experimentee
02-07-2004, 03:58 PM
I guess the Aussie Fanatics acted up a bit and were directing some personal comments to Pim Pim while he was serving in the fourth set.

Great audio interview with Joachim and Jonas at the Davis Cup site.

Yeah the Fanatics were a bloody disgrace, they have the nerve to complain about the treatment we get elsewhere, but they arent any better! They were heckling poor Joachim during his serve, and he had to complain to the umpire a few times during the game. He was upset that they were making personal insults, like calling him a wanker. On one point in the 4th set TB they called out when he was about to hit an easy forehand, causing him to hit it into the net, and that was crucial to the Swedes losing the TB. Enqvist even went up to the Fanatics and had a talk to them because of their behaviour. I'm outraged because the Aussies are normally classy, it must be only something about Adelaide. Well Lleyton is from there, that might explain it :rolleyes:

Aphex
02-07-2004, 04:43 PM
Probably be Bjösse vs. Flip. Even though Robin has a similar game to Enqvist's I don't think he will play, he looked nervous vs. Hewitt, made a lot of UEs. That doubles match was great, finally Sweden has a shot at beating the Oz away.

Scotso
02-07-2004, 08:40 PM
Congrats PimPim.

Does Lleyton have to do everything for Australia? :rolleyes:

Bilbo
02-07-2004, 11:42 PM
It's Philippoussis vs. Bjorkman. Officially confirmed. Difficult match for the Flip.

Sjengster
02-08-2004, 12:04 AM
I'm torn here, on the one hand I'd like nothing better than for a team to upset Australia at home for the first time since the 2001 final, and hopefully convince Pat Cash to keep his mouth shut once and for all, but on the other hand that USA-AUS quarterfinal Down Under would be a tantalising prospect while it would be unbearable to watch the Americans hand out another home thrashing to Sweden this time. I want to see Hewitt take Roddick out in Davis Cup...

Well, we'll see. I still think the Aussies are individual favourites for the reverse singles, and now that Bjorkman's playing it's basically become the same match-up as they had on day one of the tie in Sweden last year. I reckon he has to do it if the Swedes are to win, because while the Adelaide court may favour Enqvist's game, Hewitt is going to be so super pumped-up to a) win in his home town, b) pull his side through the tie and c) break the Aussie DC record that he won't give him a look-in.

Chloe le Bopper
02-08-2004, 12:09 AM
Congrats PimPim.

Does Lleyton have to do everything for Australia? :rolleyes:
No, he doesn't.

infact, I'm trying to remember the last time that Hewitt won the last match in a Davis Cup final, and I'm coming up blank. :)

WyveN
02-08-2004, 12:18 AM
Yes can't compare Australia to team Federer

Raoul Duke
02-08-2004, 12:26 AM
It's Philippoussis vs. Bjorkman. Officially confirmed. Difficult match for the Flip.

Yes it's 6-4 head to head in Philippoussis favour.....

Its coming up on Swedish tv......I'll try to stay awake.

Chloe le Bopper
02-08-2004, 12:27 AM
Even Federer has had to rely on Kratochvil before ;)

Sjengster
02-08-2004, 12:37 AM
Indeed, although just the once and that was on carpet, so he'd prefer not to have to rely on him against Hanescu tomorrow. But still, people who glibly say that Federer carried the Swiss team in his suitcase to the semis forget that without Kratochvil in the first round and the doubles partnership with Rosset in the quarters against France, Switzerland would never have made it. In fact, I remember it was Federer's poor play in the doubles against Holland last year (his serve was broken in all the three sets lost by the Swiss) that made it necessary for Kratochvil to perform the heroics.

Dirk
02-08-2004, 12:42 AM
Yeah poor Roger. It was like Kaffy before Saffy came along. I do want the Swedes to win and hey won't Argentina play USA in the semis then? That would be fun no matter where it was.

Bilbo
02-08-2004, 12:46 AM
I don't think Philippoussis has a chance against Bjorkman.

Bilbo
02-08-2004, 12:49 AM
Hewitt will win his game for sure but Mark? We will see.

Billabong
02-08-2004, 12:50 AM
GO MARK:)!!!

Socket
02-08-2004, 12:54 AM
What is a wanker, exactly? Never heard the term where I come from (not Australia).

Sjengster
02-08-2004, 12:59 AM
n/ 1 a contemptible or ineffectual person. 2 a person who masturbates.

Philippoussis isn't displaying either or both of those behavioural characteristics at the moment, is he?

Bilbo
02-08-2004, 01:13 AM
The Scud levels to 5-4

Bilbo
02-08-2004, 01:20 AM
Mark is ready to blow this game.

Deboogle!.
02-08-2004, 01:21 AM
Yeah poor Roger. It was like Kaffy before Saffy came along. I do want the Swedes to win and hey won't Argentina play USA in the semis then? That would be fun no matter where it was.

Yes Argentina and USA are drawn for semifinal, I believe it would be in Argentina if I remember correctly the last time USA played Argentina it was in the US

Interesting choice to put Bjorkman in, after the match he played yesterday!

Bilbo
02-08-2004, 01:22 AM
Nice double fault to get broken. He sucks ass.

Sjengster
02-08-2004, 01:23 AM
Seemingly a good one though, because Flip just coughed up a double on breakpoint to drop serve. Hom nyom, Jonas! (That's phonetic ignorance on my part, BTW...)

US vs Argentina in Buenos Aires, eh? Interesting... my oh my, some fun matches in store there if we get that semifinal.

Dirk
02-08-2004, 01:24 AM
Well if They can get by Russia I think Argentina will win DC or Spain. I would love to see Swiss win it but I just don't see Roger doing it all by himself.

Bilbo
02-08-2004, 01:35 AM
Philippoussis is useless for his country. Poor Hewitt.

Deboogle!.
02-08-2004, 01:38 AM
US vs Argentina in Buenos Aires, eh? Interesting... my oh my, some fun matches in store there if we get that semifinal.

Well the two teams haven't played since 1992 and it was in Hawaii.

It won't be interesting or fun, it'll be a one-sided blowout (unless that's how you'd define interesting and fun)

Then again, Argentina will have to get through Russia in Russia first.

Socket
02-08-2004, 01:43 AM
Quote:
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Originally Posted by Dr. Scotso
Congrats PimPim.

Does Lleyton have to do everything for Australia?
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No, he doesn't.

infact, I'm trying to remember the last time that Hewitt won the last match in a Davis Cup final, and I'm coming up blank.

__________________

Hewitt is something like 24-6 in Davis Cup play, and just tied his country's record for most wins. Why the emphasis on playing last? The doubles team should win the last point. You just can't fault Lleyton's contribution to his team on that basis. He anchored an aging team last year. The only reason that Mark won the last point in the 2003 final was because he mess up big time in his first singles match (he's lost his first singles match in the last three ties).

Pink Panther
02-08-2004, 01:43 AM
Well if They can get by Russia I think Argentina will win DC or Spain. I would love to see Swiss win it but I just don't see Roger doing it all by himself.

Spain? :eek: As much as I'd love to see them win *fingers crossed*, they'll be thankful if they get past Czechoslovakia in the first round, not to mention Holland, France/Switzerland...

Mmmm...just listened to Jonas/Joachim's audio-clip, it's so affectionate the way the reporter calls him Pim Pim. But shame on the Adelaide crowd for hurling personal insults at the Swedes! :(

Sjengster
02-08-2004, 01:43 AM
Well the two teams haven't played since 1992 and it was in Hawaii.

It won't be interesting or fun, it'll be a one-sided blowout (unless that's how you'd define interesting and fun)

That depends on how you define who you're rooting for. :devil:

But seriously, despite the home advantage I think the Bryans would still be favourites for the doubles (the surface doesn't yield much advantage there after all) and depending on how Roddick improves on clay he might still be good for one singles match... OK, if Coria and Nalbandian are playing well then no he wouldn't be, and the second American player would get slaughtered anyhow. But after seeing the first-round demolition of Austria in front of a highly annoying US crowd (I refer to the "breakbreakbreakbreak" and "gogogogo" netheads here), the reverse would be most entertaining.

Bilbo
02-08-2004, 02:15 AM
Philipussy lost all 6 sets. How did they won last year?

Chloe le Bopper
02-08-2004, 02:18 AM
Quote:
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Originally Posted by Dr. Scotso
Congrats PimPim.

Does Lleyton have to do everything for Australia?
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No, he doesn't.

infact, I'm trying to remember the last time that Hewitt won the last match in a Davis Cup final, and I'm coming up blank.

__________________

Hewitt is something like 24-6 in Davis Cup play, and just tied his country's record for most wins. Why the emphasis on playing last? The doubles team should win the last point. You just can't fault Lleyton's contribution to his team on that basis. He anchored an aging team last year. The only reason that Mark won the last point in the 2003 final was because he mess up big time in his first singles match (he's lost his first singles match in the last three ties).
Blah Blah Blah

I emphasized the last match, to make it clear that hewitt has NEVER won Davis Cup by himself. Because he hasn't.

Throw stats out your arse for the rest of the night, and nothing you come up with will change that.

Hewitt can't win Davis Cup without a decent singles player to back him up.

Chloe le Bopper
02-08-2004, 02:19 AM
Spain? :eek: As much as I'd love to see them win *fingers crossed*, they'll be thankful if they get past Czechoslovakia in the first round, not to mention Holland, France/Switzerland...

Mmmm...just listened to Jonas/Joachim's audio-clip, it's so affectionate the way the reporter calls him Pim Pim. But shame on the Adelaide crowd for hurling personal insults at the Swedes! :(
Spain will lose to Jiri tomorrow. Unfortunately, for us Spain fans. Oh well!

Chloe le Bopper
02-08-2004, 02:20 AM
Blah Blah Blah

I emphasized the last match, to make it clear that hewitt has NEVER won Davis Cup by himself. Because he hasn't.

Throw stats out your arse for the rest of the night, and nothing you come up with will change that.

Hewitt can't win Davis Cup without a decent singles player to back him up.
This, btw, is not a knock on Hewitt.

It's the reality of the event.

In case you haven't noticed, Federer hasn't won it by himself either.

Bilbo
02-08-2004, 02:24 AM
Told ya Bjorkman will win.

Havok
02-08-2004, 02:31 AM
Mark:haha::haha: so pathetic. Bjorkman is a very good player, mind you, but Mark:lol:

J. Corwin
02-08-2004, 02:34 AM
wow, sweden wins. congrats to them!

jazz_girl
02-08-2004, 02:35 AM
I can't believe this!!! Congratulations Sweden!!!!

Deboogle!.
02-08-2004, 02:35 AM
wow......

federerfan7465
02-08-2004, 02:38 AM
Holy Cow

Good fortune for USA now!
USA vs. Sweden (still no easy task, but more favorable than the Aussies)

Sjengster
02-08-2004, 02:40 AM
As I said in the Hewitt forum, the Scud has now lost nine sets in a row from his 4th round with Arazi at the AO, five of them by a 6-2 scoreline. Anyone reckon his mind was on other things during this tie? (And yes, I'm looking at you Pat Cash, not Delta Goodrem.)

Sjengster
02-08-2004, 02:58 AM
One point of note, the stats: the Scud was outaced 9-7 by Bjorkman, won 42% of points on his second serve, and had precisely one breakpoint - in Bjorkman's opening service game of the match.

RogiFan88
02-08-2004, 03:02 AM
Philippoussis is useless for his country. Poor Hewitt.

POOR Hewitt??? It's about time AUS lost and let another country win the DC... it's great that SPAIN and RUSSIA won theirs.

Yep, ESP will be lucky to win tomorrow, too bad... they had a tough draw esp w their top players out... :p Why couldn't they get Austria?! :rolleyes:

ARG had it SO easy this time -- I predict they will win the DC! I want them to beat USA... that w be one of the few times :haha: I want Nalby to win!!!

Good for SWE!!

Good luck to SUI -- will they ever win the DC while Rogi is playing??? Not likely, unfortunately -- Rogi will never get to be the DC hero for his country, like Juanqui or Misha... :sad:

RogiFan88
02-08-2004, 03:11 AM
Yeah the Fanatics were a bloody disgrace, they have the nerve to complain about the treatment we get elsewhere, but they arent any better! They were heckling poor Joachim during his serve, and he had to complain to the umpire a few times during the game. He was upset that they were making personal insults, like calling him a wanker. On one point in the 4th set TB they called out when he was about to hit an easy forehand, causing him to hit it into the net, and that was crucial to the Swedes losing the TB. Enqvist even went up to the Fanatics and had a talk to them because of their behaviour. I'm outraged because the Aussies are normally classy, it must be only something about Adelaide. Well Lleyton is from there, that might explain it :rolleyes:

Well, they'll certainly NEVER let people forget the "deplorable" Spanish fans in Barcelona when ESP d AUS to win their first DC... that's why they had the blowup "Corretja" doll at the DC F last yr vs. ESP...

All's fair in love and war and DC... :p

Aussies are normally classy?? Pat Rafter is, for sure! Nah, they're just laidback kinda people... who like to have fun in the sun! ;)

Have to say for the first time Lleyt's "come on!" started to bug me at the AO this year...

Snickals
02-08-2004, 04:13 AM
wow. I can't believe the Aussies are out of the Davis Cup, it's such a shame...

WyveN
02-08-2004, 04:22 AM
My prediction that USA will win DC is looking better.

And you can't compare Hewitt to Federer. A friend who was at the tie for Romania-Switzerland told me yesterday in the doubles Federer was virtually covering everything except Allegro's doubles alley :lol:

FanOfHewitt
02-08-2004, 04:28 AM
And you can't compare Hewitt to Federer.

True, Hewitt is 2-0 on him in Davis Cup.

esther
02-08-2004, 04:29 AM
Yeah the Fanatics were a bloody disgrace, they have the nerve to complain about the treatment we get elsewhere, but they arent any better! Well Lleyton is from there, that might explain it :rolleyes:

SOOOOOO true! :worship:

esther
02-08-2004, 04:30 AM
congratulations sweden!! :)

Dirk
02-08-2004, 04:47 AM
YEah but Ninja beat him where it counts the most. At Oz this year after Hewitt took the fall of 03 off to prepare for it. :rolls: Shame I wanted the Thomas KKK Hewitt match. Swiss will never win DC unless some kind of Miracle draw happens. I always thought the team of Rogi and Manta stood a chance in the doubles though. Argentina will likely will DC or Russia. Spain will likely lose as someone else posted. Shame Kaffy is not still playing and healthy. I would love to see Saffy and Kaffy kick the shit out of the Butt Brothers the Bryans in doubles. :devil:

FanOfHewitt
02-08-2004, 05:08 AM
YEah but Ninja beat him where it counts the most. At Oz this year after Hewitt took the fall of 03 off to prepare for it. :rolls:

Hewitt actually took 2003 off to concentrate on the Davis Cup, which by the way, is more important than Grand Slams. Hewitt ranked his victory over Federer higher than his Wimbeldon and US Open wins.

Dirk
02-08-2004, 05:33 AM
No he took off the fall to do both win DC and prepare for Oz. He was just too lucky that Roger could warm and fuzzy and let that choke turn into a much longer match wearing him down and sadly it was over. Roger's one man efforts will always surpass Hewitt's as far as DC goes. Its just a shame ROger will never have the chance to win DC. Sometimes I don't know why he even bothers. :rolleyes:

Chloe le Bopper
02-08-2004, 05:38 AM
Hewitt actually took 2003 off to concentrate on the Davis Cup, which by the way, is more important than Grand Slams. Hewitt ranked his victory over Federer higher than his Wimbeldon and US Open wins.
It might be more important to Hewitt (and I don't doubt that, I've used that very same arguement about him myself), but it isn't more important to everybody. Somehow, I imagine that Federer will take his Australian Open Trophy over either of those DC matches... especially the last one, when you consider that the tie wasn't in his hands, even if he did win that match.

Chloe le Bopper
02-08-2004, 05:39 AM
No he took off the fall to do both win DC and prepare for Oz. He was just too lucky that Roger could warm and fuzzy and let that choke turn into a much longer match wearing him down and sadly it was over. Roger's one man efforts will always surpass Hewitt's as far as DC goes. Its just a shame ROger will never have the chance to win DC. Sometimes I don't know why he even bothers. :rolleyes:
I think that Davis Cup has made him a better player, but maybe that's just me.

If the Swiss can develop a half decent top 50 player to back him up, then things wouldn't be so bleak. Hell, Kratochvil was ranked that high once upon a time, but a number of factors... mainly injuries, me thinks... did him in.

Dirk
02-08-2004, 05:45 AM
I thought Bastl was promising. I wonder how much longer Roger will continue to play it since he can only do so much. Eventually he will get dissatisfied with the whole ordeal. Be nice to see Argentina finally win it. That Russia qrt tie will be a huge one because I think one of those two teams will win the whole thing especially now that Spain looks to be done, but JC and Moya can get it done next year I hope. Just a real shame JC didn't give Moya that chance to show KKK Hewitt how to play grass court tennis.

Chloe le Bopper
02-08-2004, 05:50 AM
I thought Bastl was promising. I wonder how much longer Roger will continue to play it since he can only do so much. Eventually he will get dissatisfied with the whole ordeal. Be nice to see Argentina finally win it. That Russia qrt tie will be a huge one because I think one of those two teams will win the whole thing especially now that Spain looks to be done, but JC and Moya can get it done next year I hope. Just a real shame JC didn't give Moya that chance to show KKK Hewitt how to play grass court tennis.
Well hey, a another couple years losing in away ties, and Spain will set themselves up with another year 2000 draw ;)

Dirk
02-08-2004, 06:00 AM
LOL That is great. Maybe that is why Swiss have yet to play at home in so long, they win most of the time on the road. Moya would have kicked Hewitt's ass. I feel for JC that had to be the worst lost ever. Made me feel less sorry for Roger because I transferred it over to JC. ;)

WyveN
02-08-2004, 06:03 AM
DC which by the way, is more important than Grand Slams.

You will be saying that a lot with Hewitt as he will never win another win another slam
Lets hear a non hewitt fan support that theory, who else thinks DC is more important than slams?

I am totally amazed at the stupidity of what people preach on MTF in order to defend their favourite players - doesnt apply only to Hewitt fans either

Dirk
02-08-2004, 06:05 AM
I think Hewitt will win another slam but he will need a draw to open up for him.

WyveN
02-08-2004, 06:07 AM
I think Hewitt will win another slam but he will need a draw to open up for him.

his already had the miracle draw, you only get those once in your career and to his credit he took full advantage of it.
With Roddick, Nalbandian, Ferrero, Federer, Nadal, Safin etc there wont be many more draws opening up

WyveN
02-08-2004, 06:08 AM
If the Swiss can develop a half decent top 50 player to back him up, then things wouldn't be so bleak. Hell, Kratochvil was ranked that high once upon a time, but a number of factors... mainly injuries, me thinks... did him in.

Any promising juniors coming up?
It will take around 5 years for anyone to develop into a half decent DC player and even then Swiss need a better doubles combination so the odds of Roger winning DC during his career are low

Aphex
02-08-2004, 06:41 AM
:worship: Bjösse, Bjösse, Bjösse for president. Kick out that sad royal family and install Bjösse. :clap2: He :rocker:

Jazzy
02-08-2004, 08:02 AM
the Swedes beat the Aussies!!! they verse the Americans next in the quarters!

FanOfHewitt
02-08-2004, 08:20 AM
You will be saying that a lot with Hewitt as he will never win another win another slam
Lets hear a non hewitt fan support that theory, who else thinks DC is more important than slams?

I am totally amazed at the stupidity of what people preach on MTF in order to defend their favourite players - doesnt apply only to Hewitt fans either

Well excuse me for thinking that a team event where you are actually representing and playing for someone other than your own ego could mean anything.

Scotso
02-08-2004, 08:29 AM
great job Flip :rolleyes:

TheBoiledEgg
02-08-2004, 08:30 AM
:woohoo: Sverige :banana:

this is all Puff Cash's fault :smash:
poor Poo

FanOfHewitt
02-08-2004, 08:30 AM
It might be more important to Hewitt (and I don't doubt that, I've used that very same arguement about him myself), but it isn't more important to everybody. Somehow, I imagine that Federer will take his Australian Open Trophy over either of those DC matches... especially the last one, when you consider that the tie wasn't in his hands, even if he did win that match.

Well whatever the excuses might be for Federer not performing in those Davis Cup matches, and I'm not saying that they're not legitimate, people have no right to be saying things like you can't compare Hewitt to Federer (when discussing Davis Cup) given how things stand between the two players. A glance at their Davis Cup records might also be a thing worth consulting when considering the veracity of such statements.

Aphex
02-08-2004, 09:38 AM
I think a DC win equals a Slam win, actually. Those are the 5 big things to win in a season. They are just different.

JeLuliA88
02-08-2004, 11:21 AM
Philippoussis has suddenly gone from 'hero' to 'zero'... i kinda feel sorry for him cos there was so much pressure on him from the media and now with the losses, everyone is kinda on his back.

WyveN
02-08-2004, 12:17 PM
Well excuse me for thinking that a team event where you are actually representing and playing for someone other than your own ego could mean anything.

They play for legacy. DC is certainly important but put things into perspective.
Everyone knows that Sampras won 14 slams, that Agassi won 8, That Edberg & Becker won 6.

How many people can off the top of their head tell how many Davis Cups each of those players won? I gurantee it is far less.

The first DC is as important as a slam but after that you would rather be racking up the slams then DC.

Action Jackson
02-08-2004, 12:22 PM
It depends on where you are from Wyver. I mean Sweden, Australia, France and Spain treat the DC very seriously and of course most of the players from these countries love playing for their nation.

DC success is not irrelevant, but it's just different from the Slams. Of course players would love to win as many Slams as possible, but there are others that actually enjoy representing their country and being successful in the meantime.

Wilander won 7 Slams and played in every DC final from 83-89 except 86 and Edberg was there as well for all those finals.

Aphex
02-08-2004, 08:36 PM
Sampras loved playing for the US in DC. At least until he felt he didn't get due recognition for his away heroics vs. Russia in '95. He said so in an interview I read.

Ma. Estefania
02-08-2004, 09:37 PM
Congrats to Sweden :bigclap:

FanOfHewitt
02-09-2004, 09:59 AM
Just a real shame JC didn't give Moya that chance to show KKK Hewitt how to play grass court tennis.

Huh? What's Moya ever done on grass other than get high?

What's KKK Hewitt meant to mean? That he's a Neo-Nazi? What bullshit! His coach is Lebanese and two of his closest friends are Aboriginal and Greek. Hardly KKK material.

WyveN
02-09-2004, 12:22 PM
here comes the Hewitt police

Kristen
02-09-2004, 12:46 PM
That's my boy(/s)!

WyveN
02-09-2004, 01:34 PM
Congrats BG!
The swedes must have been ecstatic

Kristen
02-09-2004, 01:47 PM
It was euphoric :)
LOL! I saw Enqvist in the airport this afternoon; he left after Jonas and Robin... had a few quick words with him and wished him all the best against the US. I never really found a part of his personality I liked until I talked with him today.

And Jonas... well... he's the man! I don't think I could have asked for anything more. I thought the doubles win was an awesome note to go out on (if he doesnt play in aus again)... but df philippoussis was prob the best sunday of my life so far!

Action Jackson
02-10-2004, 04:23 AM
BG, you found the impossible link to something resembling a personality in Enqvist. Even though he played fantastically well against The Poo, he's still a prick.

Anyway I saw you on the TV, it wasn't a huge focus like on the 30 Swedes who made more noise than the whole crowd.

Aphex
02-10-2004, 06:37 AM
BG, you found the impossible link to something resembling a personality in Enqvist. Even though he played fantastically well against The Poo, he's still a prick.


Enqvist a prick!? Wow, that was interesting. I always thought he came across as a nice, although quiet, sort of guy. Do you have the time to elaborate? :confused:

Action Jackson
02-10-2004, 08:24 AM
He's a boring churchboy prick then again he is a 08 who doesn't appreciate the support of the Swedish fans unlike the others. I don't care how quiet a person is, but at least show some form of appreciation. As for elaborating maybe another time.

Aphex
02-10-2004, 04:42 PM
08? Nej, nu är du avslöjad.

Action Jackson
02-11-2004, 02:10 AM
Aphex, det e ikkje sant om hatar eg alle 08ar. Mang har den typiskt storstad mentalitetet vi e beste på jorda og alle dritten med det.

Eigentli, har treffet eg mang svenske spiller og Enqvist e bare for selv og aldri vise han påskjønne for den svenske tilhengera.

Aphex
02-11-2004, 07:02 AM
George WH_er,
Enqvist is cool, even though he let Kafelnikov play him before, during and after that AO final in 99. And not everyone in Sweden like those colourful and loud fans. Some think they are an embarrassment, that they epitomize 'die dumme schweden' drunkard. I think they are great. And Enqvist threw up his shirt after the Arthurs match, so obviously he doesn't hate them.

Och du kan inte lura mig med den där låtsasnorskan länge till. Snart blir du förklarad svensk medborgare. :wavey:

Action Jackson
02-11-2004, 07:17 AM
There is only so much I can tell you Aphex, but Enqvist is very hard work and of course a few of those fans are morons, but actually most of them are not.

The ones he was a prick to are not the drunks who come once a year, but the ones who are always there and follow the team. I mean 14 years before you acknowledge them in a semi friendly manner is poor form.

Sure Norman is quiet and introverted but he even shows more than Enqvist. Then again the whole godboy thing doesn't do it for m either, however at least he isn't over the top like Chang was.

I will never become a Swede.

Aphex
02-11-2004, 06:43 PM
Ok, you obviously know more about this than I do.

WyveN
02-11-2004, 11:24 PM
Tennis players with quiet personalities are generally hated

WyveN
02-11-2004, 11:32 PM
As for appreciation of fans, he can't be any worse then Hewitt
I remmember Hewitt calling Australian fans stupid because they were cheering on his underdog Australian opponent

Action Jackson
02-12-2004, 03:13 AM
That was an Adelaide thing as they were both from the same town.

Edberg wasn't known for his loudness and more for his blandness of personality and he was far from hated.

Jazzy
02-12-2004, 07:19 AM
true GW!!

Kristen
02-16-2004, 12:46 PM
Agreed, he should be showing a little more enthusiasm towards the fans...He was appreciative in Adelaide; I was watching him intensely hoping he wouldn't disappoint me and just walk off, but he gave the Swedes a wave and a thumbs up so that satisfied me.

But yeah, the little convo i had with him at the airport, that sealed it for me. Might also be something to do with the fact that I'm an Aussie-Swedish fan, and I stopped him only a minute after he left the mens room ^_^