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Feijoada, Samba, Capoiera and Gaston in Brasil Cheering Thread

Choupi
01-29-2006, 05:39 PM
Well, I thought it was time to start a thread for our guy in Viña del Mar. I hope our head honcho won't mind me starting it.

Here's the main draw:

(1) GAUDIO, Gaston ARG v (WC) PARADA, Felipe CHI
ALMAGRO, Nicolas ESP v RAMIREZ HIDALGO, Ruben ESP
CAPDEVILLE, Paul CHI v VENTURA, Santiago ESP
MONACO, Juan ARG v (6) MONTANES, Albert ESP

(3) ACASUSO, Jose ARG v NAVARRO PASTOR, Ivan ESP
Qualifier v HORNA, Luis PER
(WC) AGUILAR, Jorge CHI v (WC) HORMAZABAL, Guillermo CHI
Qualifier v (7) BERLOCQ, Carlos ARG

(5) MASSU, Nicolas CHI v DANIEL, Marcos BRA
Qualifier v MARIN, Juan Antonio CRC
Qualifier v BEHREND, Tomas GER
VICENTE, Fernando ESP v (4) CALLERI, Agustin ARG

(8) PASHANSKI, Boris SCG v SARETTA, Flavio BRA
DI MAURO, Alessio ITA v GARCIA, Adrian CHI
DEL POTRO, Juan Martin ARG v PORTAS, Albert ESP
MAZARAKIS, Vasilis GRE v (2) GONZALEZ, Fernando CHI

Good luck to our guy. Vamos Gaston. :)

*Ljubica*
01-29-2006, 05:50 PM
Thanks for starting the thread Choupi :hug: And good luck Gastón :)

Eléa
01-29-2006, 06:45 PM
Thank you Choupi, i didn't dare starting the thread myself! :lol:
Can i say that the draw is not that bad? :rolleyes: I'm confident :)
Vamos Gaston!!!! :bounce:

LOVELY
01-29-2006, 07:03 PM
Thank you Choupi for starting this thread :yeah:
and Vaaaaaaamoooos Gastooooooon!!!!!!!!! :bounce:

sigmagirl91
01-29-2006, 07:22 PM
Best of luck, Gaston.

Fergie
01-29-2006, 09:15 PM
Gaston will play on Monday at 4 pm (local time) ... Vamos! :bounce:

justClaudia
01-30-2006, 12:24 AM
Vamos Gaston!! :bounce:

Betty
01-30-2006, 08:57 AM
vamos Gato :banana:

fini
01-30-2006, 12:53 PM
Vamos Gaston & Juan Martin Del Potro baby!!!

Eugenia
01-30-2006, 02:06 PM
*happy for the return of the clay tournaments* :rocker: Vamos Gastón!!! :bounce:

Sparko1030
01-30-2006, 05:55 PM
Good luck to Gaston in Vina and his match today against Parada! :hatoff:

Vale
01-30-2006, 07:10 PM
Gastón won the first set 6-1 and he´s just broken Parada and is 3-2 in the second. :D
You can follow the livescoring at http://www.cooperativa.cl/
On the right hand side you´ll see Parada-Gaudio, and there you must click on "Ver mas".
Vamos Gastón!

Eléa
01-30-2006, 07:24 PM
:bounce: GG won 6-1 6-4 :aparty:

+alonso
01-30-2006, 07:32 PM
Some Statics :D

Gaston Gaudio (ARG) d. Felipe Parada (CHI) 6-1 6-4
1srv = 61%
Aces = 8
DF = 0
Winners = 27
UE's = 22
BP's = 4/11 (I don't remeber if it was 4 or 6 :lol: )

Congrats!! :D

Well, I saw Gaudio a little bit frustrated in some pts, He still played great :yeah:
He overpowered Parada!
:yeah: Hope He can keep this level and even raise it up

LOVELY
01-30-2006, 07:32 PM
:yeah: Well Done Gaston :clap2:

Vale
01-30-2006, 07:37 PM
:bounce: GG won 6-1 6-4 :aparty:
GREAT!!!:bigclap:
The running commentary in Cooperativa said he was playing masterfully, especially in the first set.
I imagine we´ll have TV coverage as from Thursday, but in the meantime this site is very useful.

Eugenia
01-30-2006, 08:19 PM
:bounce: GG won 6-1 6-4 :aparty:

Woohoo! Well done Gastón! :D

Vale
01-30-2006, 08:38 PM
I jut read that Calleri complained about the state of the clay surface, and that reminds me that Gastón last year had complained about the same thing. Pity, it distorts a player´s game so much!

Fergie
01-30-2006, 11:36 PM
Great match Gaston! :yeah:

sigmagirl91
01-31-2006, 01:00 AM
Good job, Gaston.

sonatinca
01-31-2006, 05:44 AM
So glad for Gastón!!!! Well done!

Choupi
01-31-2006, 06:29 AM
Great job Gaston. :)

yomike
01-31-2006, 12:10 PM
Yeeh! Nice
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RogiFan88
01-31-2006, 03:36 PM
Yes, nice to see Gaston back in action!! [only half a year til I see him] ;)

Sommarsverige
01-31-2006, 06:30 PM
Gaston, I am so happy :bounce: :bounce:
Thank god he can be back on the clay ;)

Vale
02-01-2006, 05:52 PM
VAMOS GASTI!!! DON´T STOP UNTIL AFTER WINNING THE FINAL!

Eléa
02-01-2006, 09:31 PM
:sad: i'm devastated :tears: Gaston lost 7/6 1/6 4/6 :bigcry:

diegogg
02-01-2006, 09:33 PM
what a shock result!!! 7-6 1-6 4-6

LOVELY
02-01-2006, 09:50 PM
:sad: :sad: :awww: bye bye trophy...

Florencia
02-01-2006, 11:15 PM
I could not see the match. Is there any explanation for this result? :sad:

RogiFan88
02-02-2006, 12:22 AM
What happened??

Action Jackson
02-02-2006, 01:32 AM
He lost a match far from the end of the world, it's not like Gaston has lost matches that were harder to lose than to win, it's over and now has to prepare for Davis Cup.

As for the bad court surface, well it's the same for both players and he was good enough to handle it last year, but not today.

Sparko1030
02-02-2006, 02:12 AM
:hug: for Gaston fans. I'm so sad for him :sad: I really thought I'd see him in the final against one of the Chileans.

lau
02-02-2006, 02:15 AM
He lost a match far from the end of the world , it's not like Gaston has lost matches that were harder to lose than to win, it's over and now has to prepare for Davis Cup.

As for the bad court surface, well it's the same for both players and he was good enough to handle it last year, but not today.
:lol: I used the same words in GM :haha: :haha:

Action Jackson
02-02-2006, 02:18 AM
:lol: I used the same words in GM :haha: :haha:

Better watch it now. It seems that we could be the same actual person now because of what you said.

Honestly, there isn't any point in getting too pissed off with the result. The thing is he actually needs to do well in the 4 major clay events which he didn't do last season.

lau
02-02-2006, 03:36 AM
Better watch it now. It seems that we could be the same actual person now because of what you said.


:lol: yeah I read that one :rolleyes:

Action Jackson
02-02-2006, 03:44 AM
:lol: yeah I read that one :rolleyes:

It's not hard to check an ISP address and that would sort out any problem, then again he will be getting a Gonzalez forehand to the head, as long as he shows up in Sydney.

diegogg
02-02-2006, 04:13 AM
Honestly, there isn't any point in getting too pissed off with the result. The thing is he actually needs to do well in the 4 major clay events which he didn't do last season.

But if he´s blowing it in these small events, how's he gonna do well in the big four?? :confused:

Action Jackson
02-02-2006, 04:19 AM
But if he´s blowing it in these small events, how's he gonna do well in the big four?? :confused:

You are so missing the bigger picture, so do you want me to explain it to you?

The simple version is no one really gives a fuck about the smaller events, when for him the real season starts in Monte Carlo, the fact is he made the top 10 not just cause of optional results.

It was results in 3 of the non clay TMS events that helped him to be where he is, but the ranking is really irrelevant and so is this result.

sonatinca
02-02-2006, 06:06 AM
Even though it's small event, it's sad :(
I remember the way he won last year...

Well, now it's time to get ready for DC! iVamos Argentina!

Florencia
02-02-2006, 03:47 PM
George, your approach is totally correct from a pragmatic standpoint, but I believe that there are other aspects that have nothing to do with the importance of the event or the points necessary to maintain a ranking position. I am referring to pride and prestige. I will always support Gaston, but it really makes me sad when he blows chances against rivals who cannot even compare to him.

Aguante_el_Gato
02-02-2006, 05:04 PM
Honestly, there isn't any point in getting too pissed off with the result. The thing is he actually needs to do well in the 4 major clay events which he didn't do last season.HI GWH, 100% agree.

By the way, in don't remember where, but I read Gastón declarations, saying that the return to clay had cost him to much, because there was long time ago which he did not play in that surface, and that he had felt without speed

Vale
02-02-2006, 06:29 PM
George, your approach is totally correct from a pragmatic standpoint, but I believe that there are other aspects that have nothing to do with the importance of the event or the points necessary to maintain a ranking position. I am referring to pride and prestige. I will always support Gaston, but it really makes me sad when he blows chances against rivals who cannot even compare to him.
I tend to agree, Florencia. I´m not the typical tennis fan because I give so much importance to the human side of success or defeat. In this case, I imagine Gastón travelled to Viña as if he was going to a party - the returning champion, seeded #1, an easy tournament, a beautiful seaside resort, admiring gf by his side - and suddenly the harsh unpredictability of sport threw it all back in his face. :devil: I hate to think about how he must have felt, but hopefully he has developped a thicker skin through the years, and he knows his worth as a person apart from his job and doesn´t rely on tennis results to define him.

A friend in the Yahoo group pointed out that it´s almost two years (since Estoril 2004?) since he lost to "just nobody" in a small tournament on a clay court, so he´s been pretty consistent, really.

Now he has more time to get back in his stride on clay and I hope he´ll be practising soon with Mancini. Calleri is through to semis playing doubles in Viña so he´ll arrive later.

VAMOS GASTI AND THE ARGENTINE DC TEAM! :worship:

Aguante_el_Gato
02-02-2006, 06:55 PM
:eek: according to clarin , Gastón has an injury and could miss the DC next week http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/02/02/um/m-01135054.htm

Vale
02-02-2006, 07:37 PM
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/02/02/um/m-01135054.htm

2 February 2006 - 16:37

DAVIS CUP

GAUDIO COULD BE OUT OF THE SERIES AGAINST SWEDEN

He returned to his country where a tendinitis in his right shoulder has been detected. According to the traumatologist who examined him, “it´s very unlikely that he will be in a condition to play”. The clashes with the European team will take place on the 10th, 11th and 12th of this month

Alter being eliminated yesterday in the Viña del Mar tournament, Gastón Gaudio returned to Argentina with his shoulder bothering him and he went to the CENARD (the official Center for high performance sports) where he saw the traumatologist Javier Maquirriain, who confirmed that the tennis player is suffering from a tendinitis and that it is very unlikely that he will be in a condition to play in the Davis Cup. The Argentine team will face Sweden as from Friday 10th.

“ My shoulder hurts”, the Gato said. “I arrived from Chile a while ago and I came here directly because it was bothering me and I want to know exactly what it is”, he added.

Alter seeing the results of the first tests carried out in the Medical Department of the CENARD, Maquirriain confirmed: “Gaudio is suffering from a tendinitis in the “infraespinoso” of his right shoulder, and his participation in the Davis Cup could be at risk”.


F***!!!!!!! :mad: :eek: :devil:

Vale
02-02-2006, 08:53 PM
The news headlines on TV have just said that Gaudio is practically discarded for the Davis Cup because of his shoulder injury! :sad:

What INCREDIBLE bad luck, considering he´s seldom injured, and even so he couldn´t go to the Olympics nor play in last year´s DC, when he was playing marvellously right up till then! :devil:

There´s no doubt that the injury is genuine (there are sure to be people who will cast doubts...) because it´s the DC doctor himself who ran the tests, just as on the previous occasions. The truth is that this shoulder has been bothering him for many months now, in fact, since he started concentrating so much on improving his serve. I can remember him nursing that shoulder after the semis in Estoril last year! :rolleyes:

I´m praying he will make it, but he mustn´t worsen the injury by playing if he isn´t perfectly fit.

VAMOS GASTON, GET WELL SOON!!!

reiko
02-02-2006, 10:58 PM
Vale, thanks for the news.
I just hope the injury is not serious...

Florencia
02-03-2006, 12:27 AM
What INCREDIBLE bad luck

Incredible bad luck indeed (both for Gaston and for Argentina). :sad: I wonder who will be replacing him if he cannot make it.

Action Jackson
02-03-2006, 12:44 AM
George, your approach is totally correct from a pragmatic standpoint, but I believe that there are other aspects that have nothing to do with the importance of the event or the points necessary to maintain a ranking position. I am referring to pride and prestige. I will always support Gaston, but it really makes me sad when he blows chances against rivals who cannot even compare to him.

So, he lost a match, it's not like the WTA tour where the top players are hardly troubled in the early rounds, if they are not up to scratch then the player will get beaten. It's not necessarily pragmatic, it's realistic.

Well, it looks like there needs to be some time off for Gaston and still he can't play DC and that is very disappointing for him.

Choupi
02-03-2006, 06:13 AM
That's a pity he can't play DC again. It's so important for him. I hope the shoulder gets better soon.

Eléa
02-03-2006, 07:48 AM
what a terrible news :awww: poor Gaston, i hope he'll get well soon :sad:

*Ljubica*
02-03-2006, 11:21 AM
Get well soon Gastón :hug:

Action Jackson
02-20-2006, 05:00 AM
(1)Gastón Gaudio (ARG) vs Q/LL
Mariano Zabaleta (ARG) vs Razvan Sabau (ROM)
Juan Antonio Marin (CRC) vs Ricardo Mello (BRA)
Tomas Behrend (GER) vs (8)Boris Pashanski (SCG)

(3)Filippo Volandri (ITA) vs Kevin Kim (USA)
Albert Montanes (ESP) vs Jiri Vanek (CZE)
Gustavo Kurten (BRA) vs Andre Ghem (BRA)
Luis Horna (PUR) vs (7)Alberto Martin (ESP)

(5)Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) vs Q/LL
Potito Starace (ITA) vs Q/LL
Juan Mónaco (ARG) vs Q/LL
Lukas Dlouhy (CZE) vs (4)Florent Serra (FRA)

(6)Nicolas Massu (CHI) vs Marcos Daniel (BRA)
Carlos Berlocq (ARG) vs Fernando Vicente (ESP)
Andre Sa (BRA) vs Q/LL
Flavio Saretta (BRA) vs (2)Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP)

Choupi
02-20-2006, 05:05 AM
Vamos Gaston. Nice thread title btw.

Action Jackson
02-20-2006, 05:25 AM
Figured I might as well merge the threads together and just hope Gaston gets through without injury problems.

LOVELY
02-20-2006, 04:54 PM
vamos Gaston :bounce:

RogiFan88
02-20-2006, 04:58 PM
Nice to see Gaston back in action! ;)

Just don't have any caipirinhas until you've won, OK, Gasti? They're pretty strong -- a Brasilian friend made some for me once... wow!

Sparko1030
02-20-2006, 06:15 PM
Good Luck to Gaston in Brazil! Hope he stays healthy now. ( and glad to see he and Nico are on opposite sides of the draw :) )

Vale
02-21-2006, 12:36 AM
Here´s the order of play for tomorrow:

Quadra central

14h30 / 17h30 GMT
Gaston Gaudio (ARG) vs. Albert Portas (ESP)

Not before 16h00
André Ghem (BRA) vs. Gustavo Kuerten (BRA)

Not before 18h30
Nicolas Massu (CHI) vs. Marcos Daniel (BRA)

Not before 20h30
Flávio Saretta (BRA) vs. Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP)


Quadra 1

14h30 / 17h30 GMT
Juan Monaco (ARG) vs. Juan Martin del Potro (ARG)

Followed by
Filippo Volandri (ITA) vs. Kevin Kim (USA)

Followed by
Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) vs. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP)

Followed by
Nicolas Almagro (ESP) vs. André Sá (BRA)


Quadra 2

14h30 / 17h30 GMT
Lukas Dlouhy (CZE) vs. Florent Serra (FRA)

Followed by
Luis Horna (PER) vs. Alberto Martin (ESP)

Followed by
Tomas Behrend (GER) vs. Boris Pashanski (SCG)

Followed by
Ivan Navarro-Pastor (ESP) vs. Potito Starace (ITA)

Followed by
Vasilis Mazarakis (GRE)/Boris Pashanski (SCG) vs. Tomas Behrend (GER)/Tomas Cibulec (CZE)


Quadra 3

14h30 / 17h30 GMT
Olivier Patience (FRA) vs. Razvan Sabau (ROM)

ReturnWinner
02-21-2006, 04:10 PM
nice news: Tycsports is going to show gastons match against portas live!!!!

Vale
02-21-2006, 04:25 PM
It's inhumanly hot, humid and windy, but go out there and win anyway!

VAMOS GASTOOOOON!!!

Vale
02-21-2006, 04:35 PM
The tournament livescoring is so bad that you might want to follow it in La Nación, where they will have livescores for both the Gaudio and the Monaco matches:
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/

Vale
02-21-2006, 05:28 PM
Gastón won the first set 6-3, in 43 minutes.
Vamos, one more!

LOVELY
02-21-2006, 06:43 PM
Game Set and Match for Gaston !!!! :bounce: well done :clap2:

Corina2605
02-21-2006, 07:09 PM
Congrats to Gaston :) It's never easy to come back after an injury, so well done!!

Eléa
02-21-2006, 08:11 PM
:bigclap: Gaston!!! i'm so happy for him :aparty:

*Ljubica*
02-21-2006, 08:33 PM
Congrats Gastón :)

RogiFan88
02-21-2006, 08:42 PM
Yay, Gaston won!!! It's been quite hot in S Amer [ARG, CHL and BRA anyway]!

Vale
02-21-2006, 09:22 PM
I´m so glad Gastón won! :D
I didn´t see the match but a friend in the Yahoo group said he seemed to be really suffering from the heat and looked fed up. Portas made fewer UEs in the second set and Gastón made more, but in the third he concentrated and won the match.

But I´m a bit worried by his remarks, quoted in the official site:
"I´m not well physically. As I´ve spent some time without playing I´m lacking rhythm and I haven´t got the confidence I had before"
("No estoy bien fisicamente. Como estuve un tiempo sin jugar, estoy sin ritmo y todavia no encontre la confianza de antes")
As he never makes excuses when he plays badly, I´m sure it´s true. :(

Action Jackson
02-22-2006, 12:39 AM
Gaston won and that's good enough and now plays Patience in the next round.

Eléa
02-22-2006, 06:29 AM
Wednesday Order of play:

Quadra central - 14h30 / 17h30 GMT
Gaston Gaudio (ARG) vs. Olivier Patience (FRA)

Vamos Gaston! :bigclap:

Choupi
02-22-2006, 07:59 AM
Good job Gaston. Now, time to show that I'm not 100% patriotic....sorry Olivier.....

maria87
02-22-2006, 10:26 AM
Yay, Gaston won!!! It's been quite hot in S Amer [ARG, CHL and BRA anyway]!

yes, congrats, Gaston!! hope he can return to the wins... :D .

And yes, the weather IS TERRIBLE HOT HERE!! we are waiting for the rain after a week of stunning heat!!!! :eek:

Vale
02-22-2006, 10:36 AM
Once again the organizers have scheduled Gastón's match first, at 2:30 PM local time, to accomodate their three Brazilian players later! :devil:

Temperatures are barbarous! The forecast says:
Humid; very windy in the p.m. , High: 30° C, RealFeel®: 40° C

VAMOS GASTON! DON'T MELT AND DO YOUR THING!

maria87
02-22-2006, 11:31 AM
Once again the organizers have scheduled Gastón's match first, at 2:30 PM local time, to accomodate their three Brazilian players later! :devil:

Temperatures are barbarous! The forecast says:
Humid; very windy in the p.m. , High: 30° C, RealFeel®: 40° C

VAMOS GASTON! DON'T MELT AND DO YOUR THING!


Vale, do we have a Tv coverage in Argentina? poor Gaston, 40!!!!

Eléa
02-22-2006, 12:17 PM
Humid; very windy in the p.m. , High: 30° C, RealFeel®: 40° C :awww: poor Gaston :hug: I hope it won't be too difficult for him in these horrible conditions.

VAMOS GASTON! DON'T MELT AND DO YOUR THING! :haha: Vamoooooooooooooooos!!!! :)

Vale
02-22-2006, 01:06 PM
Vale, do we have a Tv coverage in Argentina? poor Gaston, 40!!!!
Hi María! Yes, TyC are announcing the match at 2:30 PM local time! It's a pity that Gastón's return had to take place in these extremely difficult conditions, considering how he hates playing in the heat! :(

maria87
02-22-2006, 03:51 PM
Hi María! Yes, TyC are announcing the match at 2:30 PM local time! It's a pity that Gastón's return had to take place in these extremely difficult conditions, considering how he hates playing in the heat! :(

thanks, Vale! i will watch it...yes, it is real pity but Vamos, Gastón!!!!

RogiFan88
02-22-2006, 03:52 PM
That weather sounds like ours in summer -- wait til TMS TO... blah too hot and humid and smoggy!

Vamos, Gaston!

maria87
02-22-2006, 05:04 PM
Gastón lost his serve 2-1 but after then when he was serving 1-3 saved a 0-40 with good points and finally 3 aces!! Vamos!!

maria87
02-22-2006, 05:11 PM
now he is playing very bad again, 3 consecutive forehands very long or wide, his body attitude very bad, he seems without confidence...5-3 Patient is serving for the match

maria87
02-22-2006, 05:37 PM
horrible, Gastón needs to gets focus and confidence back, where are they? he is losing the match badly 6-2 first set, and now Patient serving for the match 5-2

Eléa
02-22-2006, 05:46 PM
so he lost 6/2 6/2 :sad:
Of course i'm devastated but i can't say i didn't expect something like that :rolleyes:

maria87
02-22-2006, 06:00 PM
so he lost 6/2 6/2 :sad:
Of course i'm devastated but i can't say i didn't expect something like that :rolleyes:

yes he is going through a very bad moment, he needs to recover confidence, motivation and of course his beautiful tennis, where are they? :confused:

RogiFan88
02-22-2006, 06:55 PM
Oh no... poor Gaston... hope he's OK... :sad:

Action Jackson
02-22-2006, 11:33 PM
Gaston didn't lose cause of the heat, and if he is not fit then he shouldn't have played this event.

Florencia
02-23-2006, 02:18 AM
yes he is going through a very bad moment, he needs to recover confidence, motivation and of course his beautiful tennis, where are they? :confused:

I agree with you María: he has lost confidence, but Why? What happened?

I am afraid that this result has nothing to do with heat (it affects both players), not even with his recent injury (he has not been playing well for a long time: exhibition events, hopman cup, Australia, Viña). It seems to be something deeper and it is starting to worry me.

Action Jackson
02-23-2006, 02:25 AM
Who cares how someone plays in exhibitions, that is totally irrelevant.

Long way to go in the season and what happens now isn't really important overall, there are more important things and more important tournaments coming up.

Florencia
02-23-2006, 02:53 AM
Who cares how someone plays in exhibitions, that is totally irrelevant.

Long way to go in the season and what happens now isn't really important overall, there are more important things and more important tournaments coming up.

You don't care but I do care.

In my opinion, when you have a profession you always have to give your best, in every little thing you do. It is a question of excellence and pride.

People pay quite expensive tickets to watch exhibitions, especially when a top ten is participating, and they deserve a good spectacle.

I know that we will never agree on this, and there is no point in discussing this further since we have different life philosophies.

Anyway, I hope that Gaston recovers himself soon.

*Ljubica*
02-23-2006, 05:16 AM
I am sorry that Gastón lost, but I agree with GWH - there are more important tournaments coming up where he must do well - this one is really not important. In retrospect perhaps he should not have entered here but given himself another week to rest and prepare mentally and physically - guess he did not want to let people down which is good. But it's over now - onto the next tournament.

Action Jackson
02-23-2006, 05:57 AM
You don't care but I do care.

In my opinion, when you have a profession you always have to give your best, in every little thing you do. It is a question of excellence and pride.

People pay quite expensive tickets to watch exhibitions, especially when a top ten is participating, and they deserve a good spectacle.

I know that we will never agree on this, and there is no point in discussing this further since we have different life philosophies.

Anyway, I hope that Gaston recovers himself soon.

Don't give me this excellence and pride stuff. Here is the very simple truth has Gaston won a GS title? You know the answer to this and that is far more important than any mickey mouse tournament or an exhibition

His health and well being are more important than any title he has ever won. Should he have played here, the answer is no. But he did play and has take the consequences.

I am happy to leave it there and if you think results in exhos are important then all the power to you.

Peta Pan
02-23-2006, 06:56 AM
AAAAAAAAAAARGH

Maybe this is why I don't normally enter the tournament threads for Gaston's matches!

Choupi
02-23-2006, 07:04 AM
OK. He's lost. Apparently badly, given the score. There's something wrong with him, that's sure. The best option if he wasn't fit enough would have been to not enter this event. But, he decided to do it. He played. Won 1 match and lost the 2nd. I mean, when you follow Gaston, you know that this can happen. Of course, it doesn't make you feel like jumping of joy. Of course, you can be worried. Yet, keep it in mind. The most important isn't playing the best he can all the time. He's human, and probably more emotional than most of other players on tour. His game is all the more affected by that. He'll be back to his usual self. He always does.....just trust the guy. :)

Kristen
02-23-2006, 07:04 AM
Going well on the road to conversion.... Going backwards, that is.
Hi Peta, saw your name on mtf and thought WTF is that thread!?! ahh same ol' gaston kerfuffles. :wavey:

maria87
02-23-2006, 10:17 AM
I am sorry that Gastón lost, but I agree with GWH - there are more important tournaments coming up where he must do well - this one is really not important. In retrospect perhaps he should not have entered here but given himself another week to rest and prepare mentally and physically - guess he did not want to let people down which is good. But it's over now - onto the next tournament.

Of course, Rosie, there are more important tournament coming uo...this is obvious. The problem is that Gaston said hismelf after first round that he doesns't feel fit and that he had lost his confidence. Since the 6-0, 6-0 against Federer he lost his confidence. So, in that conditions he cannot do well in big tournaments either. I agree with Florencia in that. So, i hoe he could recover soon.

maria87
02-23-2006, 10:21 AM
I agree with you María: he has lost confidence, but Why? What happened?

I am afraid that this result has nothing to do with heat (it affects both players), not even with his recent injury (he has not been playing well for a long time: exhibition events, hopman cup, Australia, Viña). It seems to be something deeper and it is starting to worry me.

I agree with you, Florencia, as i posted to answer Rosie: i think the click was the 6-0, 6-0 against Federer in Masters Cup. He has to be over and play brilliantly as he knows to do. The Gaston i saw on court yesterday reminded me the old Gastón before RG win: without motivation, without confidence, without will to play, wihtout energy and concentration: as he was in a hole. :sad:

Action Jackson
02-23-2006, 10:40 AM
If Gaston played shit in the Australian Open (the event that counted) then someone was watching another event. I am not talking about the 2 matches before, actually the one he lost to Santoro, he played well against a very tough opponent but lost, it happens.

He loses a match in a Mickey Mouse tournament and now the end is near. It's not like he has been the bastion of consistency. I mean he had 1 good tournament performance before he won the big one, absolutely no need to overreact.

yomike
02-23-2006, 11:48 AM
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaa!! I have nothing to say about Gaston.

Good Luck
Richard
Gaston
Juan Carlos
Ivan
David

*Ljubica*
02-23-2006, 11:52 AM
If Gaston played shit in the Australian Open (the event that counted) then someone was watching another event. I am not talking about the 2 matches before, actually the one he lost to Santoro, he played well against a very tough opponent but lost, it happens.

He loses a match in a Mickey Mouse tournament and now the end is near. It's not like he has been the bastion of consistency. I mean he had 1 good tournament performance before he won the big one, absolutely no need to overreact.
Totally agree - just popped in here in my lunchbreak at work - and there is so much over-reaction here :confused: Sorry - but with the best will in the world - why are people getting so upset about a 2nd round loss in a Mickey Mouse tournament or an exhibition somewhere! There are far worse things going on in the world and in peoples' lives than Gastón losing a tennis match -so this may sound harsh - but why can't people just get over it and move on :shrug: OK - back to work :bolt:

maria87
02-23-2006, 12:10 PM
Totally agree - just popped in here in my lunchbreak at work - and there is so much over-reaction here :confused: Sorry - but with the best will in the world - why are people getting so upset about a 2nd round loss in a Mickey Mouse tournament or an exhibition somewhere! There are far worse things going on in the world and in peoples' lives than Gastón losing a tennis match -so this may sound harsh - but why can't people just get over it and move on :shrug: OK - back to work :bolt:

sorry, i think you over-reacted here about our reaction!! what do you make think we are not working because we just talk about Gaston loss????? :confused: I am working right now at home, with my computer.
I am not dying or anything else, i am just talking about Gaston tennis.

About Santoro-Gaudio, he did not play as he can: he failed in the important points when he was almost winning the match. He said after the match: "I weaked up without energy, i didn't have the energy to play that match today" Old Gaston as i said before. And I am a huge fan of him since really a lot of time before RG title.
Ok, back to work me too!!

Vale
02-23-2006, 12:30 PM
I am sorry that Gastón lost, but I agree with GWH - there are more important tournaments coming up where he must do well - this one is really not important. In retrospect perhaps he should not have entered here but given himself another week to rest and prepare mentally and physically - guess he did not want to let people down which is good. But it's over now - onto the next tournament.
I agree with most parts of everybody’s posts, i.e. this wasn’t an important tournament, Gastón wasn’t in good shape, he shouldn’t have taken part, it’s worrying to see him playing so badly, etc… And I have it taped but I don’t want to see the match, so all I know is from watching bits in the sports programmes or hearing other people’s comments or from reports I’ve read.

But some things are objectively true: Even if one says it doesn’t matter that he lost, it DID matter to Gastón, very much! He was fed up with the whole setup - the state of the court, the extreme weather conditions (the stands were empty, only the poor fool players were forced to brave the heat, and all four main seeded players are out!), but principally with his own level. :mad: And the worst part was when he yelled something like (rough translation) “I’m embarrassing myself” (“Estoy haciendo un papelón!”) which is what he dreads most. He can’t stand feeling he’s making a fool of himself, trapped on a court when he feels he wants to hide away in shame.

I think he entered this tournament, even if he wasn’t ready, because he has to start somewhere to gain confidence and competition level again, and because he felt he couldn’t let the organizers down for the event not to be a complete fiasco. But how can he gain confidence if he goes away feeling he can’t beat a player ranked 130 something? :rolleyes: In fact, he IS competing all the time, even in exhibitions, but against himself, trying to improve his game, and he gets really frustrated when he plays badly.

This shoulder injury has been tough for someone who’s hardly ever injured, and I guess only Gastón and his team know how he’s playing when he’s practicing and how it compares with his performance during a match, to be able to determine if he’s physically ready to start competing.

And btw, let’s remember we’re all in a Gaudio fan forum, we’re all friends, so let’s respect each other’s legitimate points of view! :D

Action Jackson
02-23-2006, 12:36 PM
About Santoro-Gaudio, he did not play as he can: he failed in the important points when he was almost winning the match. He said after the match: "I weaked up without energy, i didn't have the energy to play that match today" Old Gaston as i said before. And I am a huge fan of him since really a lot of time before RG title.
Ok, back to work me too!!

Yes, I saw the match live and didn't miss a point and there you go again with the excuses about waking up without energy.

Gaston didn't make that many errors in the match and more winners and Santoro was so consistent. Very simple Santoro did better on his break point conversion, this is not saying that Gaudio played badly, he didn't convert his chances against an excellent opponent and hence the loss.

As for this match of course there has been overreaction.

Peta Pan
02-23-2006, 12:52 PM
I agree with most parts of everybody’s posts, i.e. this wasn’t an important tournament, Gastón wasn’t in good shape, he shouldn’t have taken part, it’s worrying to see him playing so badly, etc… And I have it taped but I don’t want to see the match, so all I know is from watching bits in the sports programmes or hearing other people’s comments or from reports I’ve read.

But some things are objectively true: Even if one says it doesn’t matter that he lost, it DID matter to Gastón, very much! He was fed up with the whole setup - the state of the court, the extreme weather conditions (the stands were empty, only the poor fool players were forced to brave the heat, and all four main seeded players are out!), but principally with his own level. :mad: And the worst part was when he yelled something like (rough translation) “I’m embarrassing myself” (“Estoy haciendo un papelón!”) which is what he dreads most. He can’t stand feeling he’s making a fool of himself, trapped on a court when he feels he wants to hide away in shame.

I think he entered this tournament, even if he wasn’t ready, because he has to start somewhere to gain confidence and competition level again, and because he felt he couldn’t let the organizers down for the event not to be a complete fiasco. But how can he gain confidence if he goes away feeling he can’t beat a player ranked 130 something? :rolleyes: In fact, he IS competing all the time, even in exhibitions, but against himself, trying to improve his game, and he gets really frustrated when he plays badly.

This shoulder injury has been tough for someone who’s hardly ever injured, and I guess only Gastón and his team know how he’s playing when he’s practicing and how it compares with his performance during a match, to be able to determine if he’s physically ready to start competing.

And btw, let’s remember we’re all in a Gaudio fan forum, we’re all friends, so let’s respect each other’s legitimate points of view! :D
Lovely post Vale :yeah: I pretty much agree with everything you had to say :)

Eléa
02-23-2006, 01:01 PM
Me too, obviously ;) :hug:

lau
02-23-2006, 03:08 PM
He´ll bounce back. ;)
As George said, he is not the bastion of consistency. I wouldn´t take this result or some of his previous results (specially exhibition matches don´t shot me :p ) as an absolute parameter for his future results. It is obviously not nice waching one of you faves losing like this, and in Gastón case it can be scary considering his oncourt (body and/or oral) language. :unsure:
But I will wait and see what his results are in bigger (and/or other) tournaments. :)

maria87
02-23-2006, 03:59 PM
Yes, I saw the match live and didn't miss a point and there you go again with the excuses about waking up without energy..

of course you are misunderstandig what i said: NEVER said anything like an excuse, on the opposite i was quoting Gastón just to show he is back to old gestures that doesn't help him a lot: you cannot say that you just didn't weak up as feeling to play the match during a Slam (sin ganas as we said in Spanish)....so try better to understand before accusing me to do something i did not.

maria87
02-23-2006, 04:06 PM
And the worst part was when he yelled something like (rough translation) “I’m embarrassing myself” (“Estoy haciendo un papelón!”) which is what he dreads most. He can’t stand feeling he’s making a fool of himself, trapped on a court when he feels he wants to hide away in shame.

And btw, let’s remember we’re all in a Gaudio fan forum, we’re all friends, so let’s respect each other’s legitimate points of view! :D

Tottally agree with you, Vale in these 2 things: I saw him very in very bad body attitude like "I'am embarrassing myself" . So i hope he could recover confidence soon to play the next tournaments. That's all what i was saying.

And of course, i think as a part of a Forum of one of your faves we all have be treated with respect when sharing our opinions and not being consistently and badly accused of overreaction or somehting. I watched the match and i was just sharing my opinion about what i saw and hoping better for Gastón for the next tournaments.

Action Jackson
02-23-2006, 04:11 PM
of course you are misunderstandig what i said: NEVER said anything like an excuse, on the opposite i was quoting Gastón just to show he is back to old gestures that doesn't help him a lot: you cannot say that just you didn't weak up as feeling to play the match during a Slam....so try better to understand before accusing me to do something i did not.

In reality even after he won RG, he didn't suddenly get a massive surge of self confidence, if that was the case, then his negative on court feelings at times wouldn't manifest as often as it did. It's not something he has ever had or ever will. He doesn't go around making bold statements and never has.

Does everyone in their chosen profession wake up 100 per cent everyday of their lives and he is no different? That's where he has to find the solution in his job as a player to get the right result when feeling crap and he didn't do it on this day.

He didn't wake up with energy, sounds very much like an excuse to justify why he didn't get the win and detracts from the other players performance when they were better at taking their chances.

*Ljubica*
02-23-2006, 04:28 PM
sorry, i think you over-reacted here about our reaction!! what do you make think we are not working because we just talk about Gaston loss????? :confused: I am working right now at home, with my computer.
I am not dying or anything else, i am just talking about Gaston tennis.

About Santoro-Gaudio, he did not play as he can: he failed in the important points when he was almost winning the match. He said after the match: "I weaked up without energy, i didn't have the energy to play that match today" Old Gaston as i said before. And I am a huge fan of him since really a lot of time before RG title.
Ok, back to work me too!!
OK - just to clarify - my "back to work " comment was not meant to be facetious - I do not often have the luxury to work from home - I work in an open-plan office where Internet access is not allowed apart from at lunchtime , so as my lunchbreak was over, I had to quickly log off and get back to work. This was all I meant and you seemed to misunderstand me. And I do not want to argue (I don't have the energy) - but I still think you are over-reacting to the whole thing in Brazil. In my opinion, and I hope I don't offend people by saying this - tennis is not a matter of life or death (neither is work for that matter) and I will never be devastated over a loss by Gastón or any other tennis player when people are suffering and dying. Just my own opinion, and as I am trying to avoid stress and confrontation at the moment, I guess I had better leave this thread.

Vale
02-23-2006, 04:33 PM
He didn't wake up with energy, sounds very much like an excuse to justify why he didn't get the win.

I know for sure that Gastón never makes excuses for playing badly, he usually just states that the other played better. But when the press insist on knowing why, he tries to give an explanation, not an excuse. And a valid explanation of why a good player has played badly could well be that he simply didn’t have the necessary energy that day.

Action Jackson
02-23-2006, 04:35 PM
In my opinion, and I hope I don't offend people by saying this - tennis is not a matter of life or death (neither is work for that matter) and I will never be devastated over a loss by Gastón or any other tennis player when people are suffering and dying. Just my own opinion, and as I am trying to avoid stress and confrontation at the moment, I guess I had better leave this thread.

Sport is just a fun distraction from some grim realities in the world at large and nothing wrong with that comment.

People have to take responsibility for their own particular actions and deal with the respective consequences and that covers all fields of life.

maria87
02-23-2006, 04:37 PM
OK - just to clarify - my "back to work " comment was not meant to be facetious - I do not often have the luxury to work from home - tennis is not a matter of life or death (neither is work for that matter) and I will never be devastated over a loss by Gastón or any other tennis player when people are suffering and dying. Just my own opinion, and as I am trying to avoid stress and confrontation at the moment, I guess I had better leave this thread.

Hi, Rosie...thanks for the reply. I am not trying to argue neither, i hate arguing and on the contrary i just want to talk about tennis that is one of my passions: i also love my work and family of course...I have kids and a house to run and a full life to live. I just like tennis and share my opinions about my favorites players.

Another note: to have my work at home is really good but not "luxury" at all. I have to write a lot and be on the computer so much hours while i have some breaks to do all the-house-work (clean, cooking,etc). And i am a proffessor in Argentina which it means so less money considering the hours i work, and that i have to work a lot in order to survive, me and my 2 kids. :) But i love tennis and to talk about tennis and my favorite players.... :)

Action Jackson
02-23-2006, 04:41 PM
I know for sure that Gastón never makes excuses for playing badly, he usually just states that the other played better. But when the press insist on knowing why, he tries to give an explanation, not an excuse. And a valid explanation of why a good player has played badly could well be that he simply didn’t have the necessary energy that day.

Yes, there is a difference between a valid explanation and an excuse and the line is very thin. Gaston didn't take anything away from Santoro and he had no reason to.

My actual problem was how the comment was used to justify a particular viewpoint, in other words it's called spin.

maria87
02-23-2006, 04:42 PM
He didn't wake up with energy, sounds very much like an excuse to justify why he didn't get the win and detracts from the other players performance when they were better at taking their chances.

Well, you just keep thinking by yourself without listening the others, :confused: that's a shame and i am very sorry for that.

I quoted what Gaston said, and i was just critizicing him (in a constructive way) for saying that.

maria87
02-23-2006, 04:48 PM
I know for sure that Gastón never makes excuses for playing badly, he usually just states that the other played better. But when the press insist on knowing why, he tries to give an explanation, not an excuse. And a valid explanation of why a good player has played badly could well be that he simply didn’t have the necessary energy that day.

yes, Vale, i know that...is that it seems a little poor to say: "Well i weak up without energies" to play a match during a GS tournament... more if he had played just 2 easy matches before in the week. I think this is one of the negative gesture Gastón had when he is bad or depressed and without motivation. That is what i was saying, hope you can understand me. I say this as a huge fan, i love him.

Action Jackson
02-23-2006, 04:53 PM
Well, you just keep thinking by yourself without listening the others, :confused: that's a shame and i am very sorry for that.

I quoted what Gaston said, and i was just critizicing him (in a constructive way) for saying that.

Actually I have read through everything in here as I am supposed to and I have already stated reasons why I think there is too much needless hysteria about this result.

When the fact that Gaston's shoulder is actually the most important thing and not these results.

I am not idealistic when it comes to people and players that I like and the situation is the same. If that sounds harsh, then so be it, but people have to deal with whatever consequences of their actions.

maria87
02-23-2006, 05:01 PM
Actually I have read through everything in here as I am supposed to and I have already stated reasons why I think there is too much needless hysteria about this result.

If that sounds harsh, then so be it, but people have to deal with whatever consequences of their actions.

sorry, i don't get you...what histeria? what consequences?? :confused: :confused:

what is the big deal of say Gaston played bad without confidence and wihtout concentration and hoping better for next tournaments??? That was my post after the match i saw...and then all was just misunderstandings

Vale
02-23-2006, 05:10 PM
yes, Vale, i know that...is that it seems a little poor to say: "Well i weak up without energies" to play a match during a GS tournament... more if he had played just 2 easy matches before in the week. I think this is one of the negative gesture Gastón had when he is bad or depressed and without motivation. That is what i was saying, hope you can understand me. I say this as a huge fan, i love him.

Hi María, thanks for telling us a little about yourself. I also have kids, an extended family, job, etc., so I identify with you in that we still find the time to follow our favourite player! :D

For some reason I can't fathom Gastón seems to have wanted to keep this shoulder problem secret, even though it's been bothering him since before winning RG (according to Mancini); in fact, he never wants to talk about any health problems he may have. I mention this because I distinctly remember that during the match against Santoro he kept putting ice on one side of his neck (a reflected pain from the shoulder) but when asked what happened he simply answered "I had little energy today..."

Action Jackson
02-23-2006, 05:18 PM
sorry, i don't get you...what histeria? what consequences?? :confused: :confused:

what is the big deal of say Gaston played bad without confidence and wihtout concentration and hoping better for next tournaments??? That was my post after the match i saw...and then all was just misunderstandings

Hysteria or overreaction either word could be used. I will have to explain it like this.

- A half fit Gaston lost a match easily. He chose for whatever reason to play here when he shouldn't have, but that is his choice. Therefore he has to deal with the consequences of his decision to play, whether this means he has to take time off the circuit and let the shoulder heal more or to keep playing through it.

- Look at the overall perspective instead of a narrow focus. Costa da Sauipe doesn't mean much, he played well in the optionals in 2005 and not the major clay events, it shouid be the other way around. He was fortunate those optional wins helped him out last season, but won't this season.

- If you want to criticise them then the performances in 05 against Nadal and Ferrer in Monte Carlo and Rome, in prestigous tournaments against very good claycourt players where he should be gearing up to his best are worthy of it.

-If you know Gaston then you I have already seen what has been said about his consistency issues and his mental state on court at times. This in addition to the time of the year, in concern to peaking periods, the size of the event, obvious discomfort he was in and he put himself in there are reasons for enough the comment of overreacting to this result.

maria87
02-23-2006, 06:42 PM
ok, so let's move on to the next tournament!!! Vamos, Gastón!!! :)

maria87
02-23-2006, 06:46 PM
Hi María, thanks for telling us a little about yourself. I also have kids, an extended family, job, etc., so I identify with you in that we still find the time to follow our favourite player! :D

Thanks, Vale for your kind words! :) ;)

I hope Gaston's problems with the shoulder injury will finally end, so he could be healthy and fit, and the most important thing to me, re-finding his motivation and confidence for the big tournaments!! next will be Acapulco?

Eléa
02-23-2006, 06:54 PM
next will be Acapulco?Gaston is still on the entry list so i guess yes :)

maria87
02-23-2006, 08:15 PM
Gaston is still on the entry list so i guess yes :)

thanks!!! :)