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the grande finale-HOUSTON

Havok
11-05-2003, 08:37 PM
:haha::haha::haha: ok i gotta admit i let out a laugh when i saw the draw
Andy has: Coria, Schuettler, Moya
while....
Ferrero has:Federer, Agassi, Nalbandian

ho boy we will NEVER live this one down if Andy goes on to win it, it's gonna be a 'fix' again, and he couldn't win it on his own:lol: anyways i dont wanna get ahead of ourselves, because we never know what's gonna happen, and all these players are top 8 players, so NOBODY's easy, and anyways he has a win over everyone in this tournament, unlike some people (mostly Federer:tape:) anyways Federer is bound to lose a singles match IMO and Andy's bound to win one, so bye bye Federer for year end #1. all i can say it GOOD LUCK ANDY, go kick some ass and end the year at #1 ( but if you end at #2, it's still great:yeah: )

Hurley
11-05-2003, 08:40 PM
Yeah, I laughed as well. :D

It was such an obvious fix. The USTA really has no shame. So, whatever, it went by the rankings and was a theoretical possibility, so it's a legit draw. Even though it was rigged to the sky, it's not quote-unquote "unfair." So I'll take it.

But man...LOL.

Andy better make it out of this crew, otherwise he'll be harshly mocked out. And for good reason!

Go Andy :)

Havok
11-05-2003, 08:46 PM
hey Safin went 0-3 last year after he had just finished winning Paris, and he was beaten by COSTA!!!!!!!!!!!! on a hardcourt!!!!!! he hasn't played either 3 of these guys when he was really on his game, so just the fact that he's beaten all 3 in previous years, when he wasn't as good as he is now, says a lot. Shuettler's 2 wins this year:rolleyes: Andy was injured, and the other win IS a win, but Andy has changed dramatically, while Schuettler is still the same. Moya he hasnt played since i think montreal 2001, thats a long time, but he can beat him for sure. and Coria, im sorry but i dont think he has enough firepower to hurt Andy, and especially on a hardcourt where Andy is at his best. Coria has to run down everything and hope andy has a really off day

Deboogle!.
11-05-2003, 09:17 PM
I still don't understand the logic behind believing this is fixed. Why wouldn't the USTA fix it for Agassi? Does the USTA have any say in this at all, even?? Who made the draw, anyway?

I just feel like it's a very bold statement to say it is fixed when it's just as likely that several other combinations could have resulted, and without any proof whatsoever.

If Ferrero had gotten an "easy" draw, no one would've said anything except maybe he's lucky, but Andy got the "easy" draw so it was immediately fixed. I just fail to see the logic behind this.

MisterQ
11-05-2003, 09:23 PM
I don't believe it's fixed -- there aren't all that many options for potential draws. It's not like it was a one in a thousand chance of this draw occuring...

BUT there is no doubt that Andy got an ideal draw. The best he could have hoped for, IMHO. He will still have to play some excellent players, of course, but he has avoided those players who would probably best at handling his serve: Agassi, who can return 149 mph (!) and Nalbandian who knows how to block the ball back and make Andy generate pace off the next shot, causing errors. And Ferrero is a great player he should be happy to avoid, despite his relatively straight-forward win at the USO.

SanTaureau Fan
11-05-2003, 09:25 PM
People are just kidding, draws are not fixed. Besides, Nalbandian is injured and Agassi hasn't played for months. It's more of an illusion that both groups are disportionnate of depth; they aren't that much. But Federer being in the Ferrero section makes all the difference.

Deboogle!.
11-05-2003, 09:31 PM
Oh I do not think they're kidding at all.... some of these people take this stuff so damn seriously. To me tennis is fun but some of these people are SO into it!

Hurley
11-05-2003, 10:11 PM
LOL...if there is one thing that I have been telling people on WTA World forever and ever, it's that you cannot rig a pulled draw. They are done in public, with officials and press watching, often by the competitors themselves.

It's not a big deal. ;)

Deboogle!.
11-05-2003, 10:18 PM
well then some of the people in GM are just stupid ;)

J. Corwin
11-05-2003, 10:48 PM
LOL. I don't believe it's rigged at all. I'm just very happy that Andy has the best draw he could have gotten, IMO. And I know plenty of people also agree to that. Not having Agassi, Nalbandian, and Federer in his section is good. :)

Deboogle!.
11-06-2003, 01:58 AM
uh..... it's VERY good lol

Deboogle!.
11-06-2003, 04:15 PM
There are press pictures of Mac picking the draw. ATP is an international organization, they wouldn't favor one person over another.

The Bryan Brothers picked their own draw, but no one's crying foul there LOL

Deboogle!.
11-06-2003, 05:36 PM
LMFAO tangerine... lol!!!!!!!

J. Corwin
11-06-2003, 05:57 PM
lmao

heya
11-07-2003, 02:05 AM
Ooh, Andy can't win all the time...he's doomed now!

If Baldy, JC, Shuettler, Coria, Nalbandian & Fed all win except Andy (yeah right), each guy will beat him all the
time! Ooh, they're fast & fancy shotmakers!
Therefore, they're far superior!!
Wonder if they'd be able to succeed if they have
Andy's height and weight.
Some hallucinate that he scraped wins with
power & serve his whole life. LMAO

Deboogle!.
11-07-2003, 02:16 AM
uhh..... that's not entirely true, heya... Andy didn't get his serve til he was 16 and he wasn't very good until he had his growth spurt.

tangerine_dream
11-08-2003, 06:12 PM
The Europeans are having a collective hissy fit over the Houston draw. :haha: Check out the comments from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/wimbledon_2003/have_your_say/2763033.stm

J. Corwin
11-08-2003, 07:45 PM
yea i read that in the GM, lol

*Ljubica*
11-08-2003, 08:04 PM
The Europeans are having a collective hissy fit over the Houston draw. :haha: Check out the comments from the BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/wimbledon_2003/have_your_say/2763033.stm
Guess we have all got long enough memories to remember the disgusting fiasco that was the US Open, - ie. how Coria/Bjorkman took four days to finish their rain-delayed match while Roddick kept on getting the night matches and progressed through the draw with a minimum of stress in relation to what the other payers suffered.

And just for the record, I would NEVER accuse Roddick of fixing any draw himself - he is a professional sportsman and I'm sure would have no part in that, - but I'm not so sure about the USTA and a few other bodies though.

Deboogle!.
11-08-2003, 08:18 PM
There's a whole host of explanations for the scheduling at the USO - there were several instances (and they showed it on TV so it's not like it didn't happen) where players were given the option of playing or not and some chose to play (Agassi and Roddick) and some chose NOT to (Schalken match is the only one I can remember off the top of my head).

The thing is that every country gives preferential scheduling to their home-players. Ferrero got it in Madrid, all the French players got it in Paris, etc. etc. I wouldn't be surprised if Andy gets all or mostly night matches in Houston, too, even though those aren't going to be shown on live TV. It just seems to be the way it is, whether that's right or wrong. It just so happened that this time, the rain seemed to lighten up at night and therefore favored the players that had night matches on the stadium court. Maybe it is the USTA, and we can't ever know for sure, but I think it's just as possible that the same thing could happen any other place.

That said, whether it is the USTA or not, there's not a damn thing Andy can do about it and it just makes those who don't like Andy and whine about it look like really sore losers.

star
11-09-2003, 01:21 PM
Guess we have all got long enough memories to remember the disgusting fiasco that was the US Open, - ie. how Coria/Bjorkman took four days to finish their rain-delayed match while Roddick kept on getting the night matches and progressed through the draw with a minimum of stress in relation to what the other payers suffered.

And just for the record, I would NEVER accuse Roddick of fixing any draw himself - he is a professional sportsman and I'm sure would have no part in that, - but I'm not so sure about the USTA and a few other bodies though.

The only problem with your theory, Rosie, is that the USTA doesn't have anything to do with the Masters Tournament. It is the ATP. And also you are forgetting that there are players and players' represenatives at the draw.

And who is "we?" Just curious.

I am anxious to see Coria and Andy play. Of course, I have to desert all my nice Andy fans for that match. I would like to see Coria have a great tournament. And you can like Coria a little bit because he said that he thought that Andy was a slight favorite to win and also that either JCF or Andy would deserve the number one ranking.

Federer in JCF's group does make all the difference on paper, but frankly it all depends on Federer's mood. He doesn't seem to be too happy playing in the U.S. or North America for that matter. I think we have to wait and see if he shows up. Andre might be there and might not. He hasn't played for a long time and he didn't do last year even when he was in better match shape.

Nalbandian is the question mark for me. Can he even play? Does anyone know? Anyway, I can't hope for any luck for him since he is one of my least favorite players on the tour. Just an awful attitude on and off the court, imo. No sweetie factor there at all, and I need a sweetie factor to be a fan. :)

star
11-09-2003, 01:27 PM
Playing at night might not be such a good thing in Houston. :)

I hope the tennis gods are smiling...... can't believe that it is going to warm up so nicely........ still a bit cool for tennis watching, imo. I'm a big fan of temps in the 80's. :)

Mon
Nov 10 Partly Cloudy 74°/64° 0 %
Tue
Nov 11 Mostly Cloudy 80°/63° 0 %
Wed
Nov 12 Mostly Cloudy 81°/61° 20 %
Thu
Nov 13 Cloudy 76°/57° 20 %
Fri
Nov 14 Partly Cloudy 76°/60° 20 %
Sat
Nov 15 Scattered T-Storms 77°/55° 50 %
Sun
Nov 16 Scattered Showers 73°/49° 40 %

J. Corwin
11-09-2003, 07:15 PM
I'm not liking those T-Storms and scattered showers.

I had a huge thunderstorm in the middle of the night last night. So loud that it sounded like extremely long and loud explosions. (Yea I know that was random and is getting off topic.)

Deboogle!.
11-09-2003, 07:19 PM
That's several days out - you can't successfully forecast Houston weather that far in advance... I don't even know why they try!

*Ljubica*
11-09-2003, 07:37 PM
Hi bunk and Star - seems I stirred up some controversy with my comments last night and have only just returned to the Forum to read them! First, I would say again, there is no way that I would ever accuse Andy of having anything to do with the things that are being mentioned about the draw here in Europe.....he is a professional and I'm sure would never sink that low. As to your comments about the US Open "night match" scheduling bunk, - in every other Tournament in the world, rain delays (which are inevitable and out of everyone's control) mean that all matches are rescheduled to clear them as quickly as possible and try and get through one "round" completely before going into the next round, - that is only fair to all involved and does not give anyone unfair advantage. It seems to us here that the US Open cared more about their TV schedules and advertising revenue than the players welfare, and I know that even Martina Navratilova said the same thinkg in an interview at the time, so I'm in illustrious company! As to the "we", - the feelings that I expressed are being expressed freely here by tennis fans in England (hence the BBC link that tangerine-dream posted), and on all our news channels, as well as by friends of mine in such diverse places as Australia, South Amercia and all over Europe - everywhere but in the States in fact!!!

And to Star - everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I would just like to say that David Nalbandian is a real sweetie (I have met him several times over the years) - a great player and a true gentleman, and I for one, hope he does really well in Houston. Yes, he is still injured but intends to at least try to play - his pride and patriotism would not let him give up without trying!

Deboogle!.
11-09-2003, 07:55 PM
No offense, but we're kind of used to "Everyone against us" here in the US... war or tennis, I guess it's all the same :shrug:

*Ljubica*
11-09-2003, 08:06 PM
No offense, but we're kind of used to "Everyone against us" here in the US... war or tennis, I guess it's all the same :shrug:
Guess you've forgotten the British, Spanish, Poles and Australians who fought with America in Iraq even though the majority of Brits at least were dead against our involvement. Anyway, - don't think a Tennis Forum is the right place to discuss politics do you? And I honestly don't think anyone is "against" anyone, - it's just that everyone has their own opinions, and I do think it's fair to say that sometimes people outside of America get a little irritated (putting it mildly) that some Americans seem to think nothing exists outside of the States.

Deboogle!.
11-09-2003, 08:24 PM
I'm not talking politics. I study it, I have to talk about it every day lol I do not want to talk about here. I was using it as an exmple that Americans are used to having most of the rest of the world against us, regardless of whether it's something important like war or pretty insignifant like tennis. That argument just doesn't work with many Americans, I guess. We're immune to it because we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. I'm very patriotic, don't get me started on this LOL

Back to the US Open, every tournament is run differently. If it is the US Open's perogative to finish any matches possible, then that's their policy and the fact that some players chose to play and some chose to stop is no one else's fault but the players. I honestly just do not know if there was precedent for what happened this year.

The fact is that it's over and what's done is done. The USTA knows all about the opinions people have about it and perhaps they will make changes next year accordingly. What irks me, as an Andy fan is that people use this to say that Andy didn't deserve to win the USO. I could come back just as easily with a comment such as "the way Andy was playing this summer it was fate for him to win the USO and nothing could have changed the outcome of him winning." I mean that's just as valid an argument.

star
11-09-2003, 08:33 PM
Rosie, we will never agree about Nalbandian. I have seen him too off the court, and I thought he was a disagreeable person. From the way he conducts himself on the tennis court, it is very hard for me to believe that he is a true gentleman. He seems more on the boorish side.

Now, Gui....... that's a different story.... :)

Caring more about the TV schedule might mean bringing disadvantage to U.S. players under certain circumstances, and is a far cry from "rigging" the tournament for any U.S. player. But, I can see that you harbor a great grievance about the USO, and nothing I say will change your mind, so we will agree to disagree about that as well. :)

And having lived on the "continent" and having a brother who has lived for many years on your island, I'm well aware of the attitude of others toward the U.S. On the other hand, I can also see the other side of the coin, and I get weary of Europeans and Brits sneering at Americans.

It's all well and good for the French or...... the Croats to cheer wildly for their players, but should those from the U.S. do the same, it only seems overbearing jingoism. I've sat in stadiums where the whole place was going crazy for Sampras and I was like the only one (or so it seemed) cheering for poor Tompa, who to my great delight won!! :)

J. Corwin
11-09-2003, 08:43 PM
I respect your opinion and can understand why you think that way, Rosie. :)

*Ljubica*
11-09-2003, 09:19 PM
I respect your opinion and can understand why you think that way, Rosie. :)
Thanks for your comments 1jackson2001, - I guess I will have to agree to disagree with you all on this one, - at least it is good that we can all have our own opinions and (hopefully) still remain friends :) Only thing I would add, - to bunk, - I don't think any player has the choice to stop or continue a match when it is pouring with rain the way it did in the US this year, and the way it often does at Wimbledon - they would have no choice for safety reasons as much as anything else!! As to Nalbandian, Star - again - each to their own, - maybe you caught him on a "bad day" and I have caught him on lots of "good days" :) He will always be my other favourite player along with Guille! Anyway, it is getting late here in England now so have to sign off or I'll never get up for work tomorrow.

Deboogle!.
11-09-2003, 09:54 PM
guess you'll read this in the am Rosie :) I do respect your opinion, 100%. What I was referring to was Andy's match with Malisse. The rain had basically stopped and the officials gave both Andy/Malisse and Schalken (and I forget who Schalken was playing) the choice of whether to have them dry the courts and take the chance late at night or not. Andy and Xavier chose to play and Schalken and opponent decided to go home. When the players make the choice, I just find it difficult to say that the USTA played a role in preferential scheduling. And I know a similar decision was made involving an Agassi match where he and his opponent both decided to play and others on other courts decided not to.

tangerine_dream
11-09-2003, 11:26 PM
Hey, speaking of Nalbandian can anyone tell me what exactly transpired between him and Roddick during the USO semi-final? I keep hearing conflicting accounts: I heard from someone that Nalbandian had cursed Roddick out for slaming a ball at him after he fell down; and still later I read somewhere that Roddick had said to him, "Stop being such a p****y!" :cat: Anyone know if any of this is true?

I don't have the match on tape and I'm curious as to what was really said.

star
11-09-2003, 11:33 PM
Thanks for your comments 1jackson2001, - I guess I will have to agree to disagree with you all on this one, - at least it is good that we can all have our own opinions and (hopefully) still remain friends :) Only thing I would add, - to bunk, - I don't think any player has the choice to stop or continue a match when it is pouring with rain the way it did in the US this year, and the way it often does at Wimbledon - they would have no choice for safety reasons as much as anything else!! As to Nalbandian, Star - again - each to their own, - maybe you caught him on a "bad day" and I have caught him on lots of "good days" :) He will always be my other favourite player along with Guille! Anyway, it is getting late here in England now so have to sign off or I'll never get up for work tomorrow.

You've caught him on lots of "good days." I, apparently, have caught him on LOTS of bad days. Please don't think my impression was formed from just one encounter. :)

Or maybe what I see as bad you see as good. There's that possibility too. :)

Deboogle!.
11-09-2003, 11:35 PM
Hey, speaking of Nalbandian can anyone tell me what exactly transpired between him and Roddick during the USO semi-final? I keep hearing conflicting accounts: I heard from someone that Nalbandian had cursed Roddick out for slaming a ball at him after he fell down; and still later I read somewhere that Roddick had said to him, "Stop being such a p****y!" :cat: Anyone know if any of this is true?

I don't have the match on tape and I'm curious as to what was really said.


To my knowledge, neither of those things were said. but I guess I don't really know :shrug:

Mr. Man
11-09-2003, 11:53 PM
Hey, speaking of Nalbandian can anyone tell me what exactly transpired between him and Roddick during the USO semi-final? I keep hearing conflicting accounts: I heard from someone that Nalbandian had cursed Roddick out for slaming a ball at him after he fell down; and still later I read somewhere that Roddick had said to him, "Stop being such a p****y!" :cat: Anyone know if any of this is true?

I don't have the match on tape and I'm curious as to what was really said.
None of that is true. The only conflict that there was a Pro-Roddick crowd. And that's why the haters think that his USO was a fluke, "He needed the crowd to help him win." LMAO

Deboogle!.
11-10-2003, 02:56 PM
According to JCF's press round-table yesterday, the Houston court is significantly slower than the USO court... bad news for Andy lol. Let's hope he can adjust!

Ok I did a little research - it's on GreenSet which is the same surface they've used for TMC since 2000 but it's also the same surface used at TMS Madrid.... Andy better be able to adjust - didn't he say that court in Madrid was almost as slow as clay? eep

Havok
11-11-2003, 02:24 AM
bah court speeds doesn't matter. indoors/outdoors is quite different i think, and it all being in the US is good also:banana: Andy can win on everything, so we shouldn't freak out about the speed of the court. the hardcourt will give him a solid bounce, and it won't keep things low, something which Andy doesn't like very much. and with Ferrero losing, Andy can do some more damage by winning tuesday. GOOOOO ANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rocker2:

Havok
11-11-2003, 02:38 AM
ok everyone, lets act like all the Roddick haters. OMFG Federer shoulda lost his match vs Andre:fiery::fiery::fiery: wasting match points:rolleyes: Roger was sooooooooo lucky to win this match, he was supposed to lose it. just goes to show you how much he sucks.
ok that was enough for today, but seriously i was following this match on the scoreboard and :eek: it looked gross to me. multiple breaks, serve % was kinda CRAP, lots of missed 1st serves, etc. and Roger is STILL a headcase, he coulda made it a done deal at 5-3, but then doublefaults on breakpoint:lol: anyways i just hope Roger loses one match, or better yet Andy beats Moya tomorrow, or any of his 3 round robin matches for that matter. im sorry if i'm being mean here but i DONT want Federer to be #1, Roddick/Ferrero deserve it much more IMO than he does. i suspect Roger to go 2-1, his only loss, nope not to Nalbandian, but to Ferrero, that will be the ultimate crusher :devil: and about the courts, no matter how slow they are, it still can't diminish the amount of speed/power in andy's serves and forehands, they are lethal anywhere, but a speedy court woulda just amped up the power of his shots, but no biggie. go Andy tomorrow night vs. Moya, my stupid sportschannel isn't showing night matches, only afternoon ones, yay :sad:

heya
11-11-2003, 04:38 AM
Did you see the bad line call against Agassi? Umpires=Criminals! :(

Volcano Andy better erupt to wake up this
LAME Masters Cup!
I've seen tennis clips of him since he was
15 and can tell you that even without using big power, he always had accuracy.

Andy's fast improving
everywhere, not just on hardcourt, grass or clay.
I don't care about reputation and
popularity. It's all about longevity!!!

Havok
11-12-2003, 01:52 AM
Roddick beats Moya 6-2, 3-6, 6-3:worship: BYE BYE FEDERER :wavey: :wavey: :nerner::bigwave: oh well no end of the year #1 for you. now with this win, and Ferrero's loss, Andy moves 46 points clear of him. GO ANDY!!!!!!!!!!:rocker2: imo Moya is the toughest to get by in Andy's group, and the way Coria and Shuettler were playing, he should beat them also, and Coria looked to be kinda ijured as well, so who knows with him. SOOOOOOOOO HAPPY NOW:rocker2::banana::bounce:

J. Corwin
11-12-2003, 02:07 AM
Very nice and needed win for Andy. A little bit of an extra cushion lead for him.

Hopefully Andy will win his other 2 matches in RR, so JUST IN CASE if he loses in the semis, and JC makes it to the final, but loses there...Andy can still be year end #1.

star
11-12-2003, 02:08 AM
lol, Naldo.

Love the smileys!!

Andy got LUCKY again!!!!! :banana:

star
11-12-2003, 02:09 AM
I'm not sure of what Andy has to do vis a vis Ferrero. If Ferrero wins, it won't matter what Andy does, right?

Havok
11-12-2003, 02:43 AM
well lets just put it this way, so far Ferrero can only win 2 matches in round robin, so if Andy wins one more round robin, he will still be ahead of Ferrero by 26 points, if Roddick wins ALL hiw RR matches, hes a cool 46 points ahead. now if they both go into the semis with a 2-1 record, whoever goes further will win it, BUT if andy goes in with a perfet 3-0 record, he can still end the year #1 if Ferrero doesn't win the whole thing. if they meet in the finals, i think the winner of that will be #1 regardless of their results in RR format. not too sure about the last part. but lets just put it this way, things aren't looking good for Ferrero and the year end #1

Mr. Man
11-12-2003, 02:59 AM
Great win Andy! :banana:

Deboogle!.
11-12-2003, 05:16 AM
Let's just cheer EXTRA hard for Andre tomorrow (and I would, anyway since he's one of my faves!!). I'm sure a different JCF will come out tomorrow, but Andre will hopefully want (and get!) revenge after the USO. If Andre wins in straights, I think JCF is eliminated and it's cemented.

tangerine_dream
11-12-2003, 03:55 PM
Re: Andy's latest temper tandrum....

I think Andy had every right to go off on the chair umpire because that guy's been making ball calls and overrules since the tournament started! (the worst one so far is from the Agassi/Fed match where Fed's ball was called out when it was so clearly IN! That was awful. Fed should've thrown a fit.) If tennis players would complain more, the chair umps wouldn't be so quick to overrule calls they aren't 100% sure about.

BTW, here's what Andy said to the chair during that changeover (and when ESPN decided to fade out before we got an earful--I hate it when they do that!):

"You didn't even question it. What's wrong with you? You blew it. You can't sit still...No shit -- 15-40, why didn't you keep your trap shut goddamnit...Seriously, you can't sit still up there. You get the itch whenever it's a big point."

You tell him, Andy. :yeah:

Deboogle!.
11-12-2003, 04:08 PM
ESPN never shows changeovers, but sometimes if it's something heated like that they'll show a replay after the break, but this time they didn't. Too bad.

I don't have a problem with Andy ripping the ump, he deserved it this time, and Agassi should've done it the other night with the two HORRIBLE calls he got against him. If Andy can take it out on the ump and get over it immediately, that's GREAT, but sometimes he CAN'T and that's what is disconcerting.

MisterQ
11-12-2003, 04:43 PM
GO ANDRE!!! (for your own sake and Andy's No. 1)

Hurley
11-12-2003, 11:40 PM
Great win over Moya :)

Keep it up, Andy :D

Havok
11-13-2003, 08:13 PM
and Roddick loses to Shuettler 6-4, 6-7, 6-7:yeah: SERIOUSLY Andy find your game please!!! it wasn't a nice thing to watch today, and you've played MUCH better than this in other loses i've seen. FIND your forehand, FIND your serve, percentage wise i mean, and STOP with the backhand slices. he shoulda really stepped INTO the court on returns today, Rainer was giving him loads of powderpuff serves in the end of the 3rd set. and losing the break in the 3rd set, pathetic. if he doesn't get his game/head in check, Coria might give him fits as well. come on Andy i know you're better than this, so show us. but regardless, year end #1 is always a nice reassurance:banana:

tangerine_dream
11-13-2003, 08:26 PM
Nice reaction to your sloppy playing, Andy! :lol: (at least Rainer will keep him from becoming too complacent ;) )

Hurley
11-13-2003, 08:26 PM
He played badly...they both did. But Andy pissed me off with his whining. He's 21 years old and #1 now...he should buck up. That kind of behavior is almost Sampras-esque, and that's about the biggest insult I can hand out :p

He needs to focus and act his age against Coria, or it could be bye-bye in the RR, and that would suck. :mad:

tangerine_dream
11-13-2003, 08:57 PM
"Dammit, I suck!"

Sjengster
11-13-2003, 09:04 PM
Looks as though Duck Hunting season has been granted a reprieve, eh tangerine? BTW, I would love to serve you as a sauce with the duck at table.

tangerine_dream
11-13-2003, 09:08 PM
Looks as though Duck Hunting season has been granted a reprieve, eh tangerine? BTW, I would love to serve you as a sauce with the duck at table.

LOL! :lol: Your duck hunting lisence has expired. The Duck is No. 1, whether he wins Houston or not. :bigclap:

And I would make a delicious sweet sauce for anyone's goose. Heh... ;)

Havok
11-13-2003, 09:52 PM
well now that Coria won, it will come down to the both of them fighting it out for the other spot in the semi finals. Andy can still take top honours though, if Rainer loses in straights, I THINK. anyways im positive Andy will bring his game vs Coria, he wants to end the year in a good way, and Rainer and Andy going through to the semi's is very good:yeah: good luck Andy tomorrow

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 09:54 PM
I can't believe the one time I mess up taping I miss him getting the #1 trophy *cries* Maybe someone got it on tape and can make a video file

J. Corwin
11-13-2003, 10:14 PM
Andy better come out firing against Guillermo, or a similar fate will await him. I hope he'll have worked out the recent kinks in his serve very soon.

Havok
11-13-2003, 10:16 PM
well my dumbass sports channel went to golf right after the match ended, didn't even get to hear what rainer had to say, and MOST IMPORTANTLY missed the #1 triphy thing :sad: give www.roddicknroll.com a day or so and it should be up there in no time, maybe tonight even

Deboogle!.
11-13-2003, 10:20 PM
NO Kidding Jackson!!

and Naldo, the problem was that ESPN ended coverage at 3EST and then it went to ESPN2. I knew they'd do that so I set my VCR accordingly, but I must not have actually changed the channel so it taped ESPN at 3 instead of ESPN2 damnit.

roddicknroll.com gets some of that stuff but not always. *fingers crossed* they got this one! If you find a video file of it somewhere can you let us know? I can't get onto the roddicknroll.com message boards b/c of a campus-wide firewall so if someone posts about it on there pleeeeeeease share :) Thanks! Hopefully they'll show it or show clips tonight during Agassi's match.

From pics, it looks like Mardy Fish surprised Andy with some champagne in the press conference after the match, tee-heehee

Deboogle!.
11-14-2003, 08:48 PM
hmmmmmm so will I make it to freaking 11:30 tonight without looking at the score?! So nice of them to put it on so early lol

J. Corwin
11-15-2003, 12:29 AM
I'm following the scoreboard at the moment lol.

J. Corwin
11-15-2003, 02:36 AM
Phew, that was a close one!

Congrats Andy for finally winning after being a break down in the 3rd.

His TB record in this tourney so far is really lousy. 0 in 3 for TBs.

And finally Roddick reaches .500 record after being ranked #1. 2-2 so far.

Good luck against Roger. Andy will need it and then need it again. He needs to stop playing like an ass and clean his act up. His serves can't desert him again.

Hurley
11-15-2003, 03:30 AM
Phew!

Good fight, Andy...that's what we want to see! :yeah:

Good luck against Roger :worship:

Deboogle!.
11-15-2003, 06:46 AM
Well I was out all night and just got in after 1am so I caught the match from the end of the second. When Andy lost the TB I knew I had to just go online. thank god he won. Fed will be tough, hopefully this performance will give him some confidence against Fed.

baseline ace
11-15-2003, 07:50 AM
I hate to agree with those nitwit commentators but Andy did look tired, something he admitted to being after the match. I think that is the main reason his serve wasn't working tonight. He also wanted a straight set match and we all know you can't always get what you want.

Federer is going to be tough.

J. Corwin
11-15-2003, 08:01 AM
His serve was actually better in the match, compared to his two previous matches. But his serve will have to be WAY better against Fed.

baseline ace
11-15-2003, 08:17 AM
His serve was actually better in the match, compared to his two previous matches. But his serve will have to be WAY better against Fed.

Absolutely.

star
11-15-2003, 12:39 PM
Of course, I was disappointed about this win, but I was very torn.

I did want Gui to win because I love him so much and I was rooting for him. But, I am happy that Andy won too because it would have been a wimpy way to get the number one position.

I have no hopes of him winning against Federer tomorrow.

I was :lol: when I heard that the Argentines had come up to PMac to ask if shot spot was rigged for the Americans.

Havok
11-15-2003, 01:12 PM
AHHHHHHHHHH i was going CRAZY last night. i went to go watch a movie, came back at 11:30 at night, and my sports channel was showing a round robin match at 12 am, so i figured it was the Roddick/Coria match, YEAH RIGHT. so i frantically switched through my 3 sports channels and NONE of them had the scoreline on their little ticker thing, and i coulnd't go check on the internet because the pc is right next to my sister's room, and it was past 12 already. so when i got on the internet this mourning, i was shaking coz i didn't know what to expect but then, :worship: YEAH ANDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i know it wasn't a nice match, its just that he's not playing well, and all these matches are just taking a toll on himself. as much as the haters would disagree, i think Andy's group was MUCH more difficult, because they were ALL fighting. can't say much about Ferrero/Nalbandian :o anyways, it will be interesting to see the Roddick/Federer matchup. who knows, maybe Andy will find that form again, maybe Federer will come out crap. either way i great job from Andy this week, pulling out TOUGH matches when he's not playing well, that shows something doesnt it, and these opponents are top 8 in the world, not some crap player. anyways if Roger wins, i DONT want him to win the whole thing, because then he'll have 1 more title than Andy :devil: but we all know that Andy has 4 big titles out of 6, and Roger only has 1. GO ANDY AND GOOD LUCK:rocker2:

baseline ace
11-15-2003, 01:38 PM
great job from Andy this week, pulling out TOUGH matches when he's not playing well, that shows something doesnt it, and these opponents are top 8 in the world, not some crap player.

But you do know the tournament is rigged for the Americans don't you? I'm sure Andy lost the second set last night on purpose just to mess with the non-American players heads right? And Agassi won a three setter the other night because the court was rigged.

The haters will hate. There is nothing anyone can do about that. Anyone who got a chance to see that match last night saw a great tennis player, one that is only going to get better. If he's truly learned to use his anger in a positive way, look out tour.

star
11-15-2003, 01:56 PM
He will be much better when he gets the temperament under control. He's better than how he acts on the court. Brad should make him watch tapes of it over and over. :)

But Hey!!! Did you see the clip of Mardy pouring champagne over him? And then they wrestled like any two young guys.. But the best part is when Andy pulled away and walked back to the interview room saying, "Yes? What was the question?" in a mock serious way. That was cute.

Deboogle!.
11-15-2003, 02:50 PM
hey where'd you see the clip of the champagne stuff?

MisterQ
11-15-2003, 02:51 PM
Yeah, that was funny when Andy returned suddenly with "Yes? What was the question?" good timing

Here's a little comment from someone who knew something about tennis, the great Bjorn Borg!:

'He will dominate the sport'
Borg expects Roddick to remain atop rankings for some time
Posted: Friday November 14, 2003 11:12PM; Updated: Friday November 14, 2003 11:12PM


STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) -- Bjorn Borg thinks Andy Roddick is a worthy No. 1 and a future force in tennis.

"The American has really deserved first place in the rankings," the five-time Wimbledon champion said. "He will become very hard to beat in the next few years, he will dominate the sport."


Roddick, the U.S. Open champion, clinched the year-end No. 1 ranking during this week's Tennis Masters Cup in Houston. Borg was No. 1 in 1979-80.

"When he gets his tennis together it's not easy to take a set from him," Borg said in Friday's newspaper Dagens Nyheter. "Roddick simply plays at a higher tempo than the others."

Borg predicts Roddick's main challengers will be Juan Carlos Ferrero, David Nalbandian, Roger Federer and Marat Safin.

Deboogle!.
11-15-2003, 02:59 PM
I saw that Borg article..... wow!!! What compliments!

star
11-15-2003, 04:06 PM
hey where'd you see the clip of the champagne stuff?

They showed it during the match on ESPN.

star
11-15-2003, 04:08 PM
Nice words from one of my all time favorites.

I don't know what kind of prognosticator he is though.

Now if only Arthur Ashe were alive and able to comment, that would be something. That man had an uncanny ability to spot talent and to predict the outcome of matches.

Deboogle!.
11-15-2003, 04:11 PM
They showed it during the match on ESPN.

OH! I got home at the end of the second set (the start must've been delayed b/c I didn't get home til like 1:30am my time) but I managed to tape the right station ;) I'll go through the tape to find it, thanks!

tangerine_dream
11-15-2003, 07:20 PM
But you do know the tournament is rigged for the Americans don't you? I'm sure Andy lost the second set last night on purpose just to mess with the non-American players heads right? And Agassi won a three setter the other night because the court was rigged.


LOL!! I agree. The non-Americans' paranoia knows no bounds, does it? It's kind of funny and pathetic at the same time. They just can't give Roddick (or any American) any credit for coming back from 40-love and going on to win a match. They can't accept the fact that it's playing great like that that makes Andy the No. 1 player in the world. No, he's only No. 1 because everything is rigged. Pfft! :rolleyes:

As a good example, did you hear what Pat Mac said about Nalbandian's group? The Argentines actually accused them (the Americans, of course) of manipulating Shot Spot so that bad calls would be made against David! Their unsportsmanship and audacity is un-freakin'-believable! :eek:

tangerine_dream
11-15-2003, 07:28 PM
I never really paid much attention to Coria before (he tends to fly under the radar) but his playing against Andy last night was a sight to see. A great touch with the ball. He gave Andy a run for his money. I'm going to have to watch him more closely. ;)

Sad to say, I really don't think Andy is going to win the cup. He admitted that he is exhausted, physically and mentally, and he seems satisfied with the No. 1 ranking. In contrast, Federer looks like he found his second wind and is undefeated at this tournament. Andy can't afford to serve like crap and have so many unforced errors against Fed like he did against the other players. If he plays sloppy like that, Fed will clean him out.

The Fed match is going to be real nail-biter. :scared: Good luck to Andy! :banana:

Shy
11-15-2003, 08:59 PM
You never know with Fed. Sometimes,out of nowhere he decided to go into a mental vacation. Depending on which Roger we get, Andy might have a tiny little chance.

star
11-15-2003, 10:11 PM
I never really paid much attention to Coria before (he tends to fly under the radar) but his playing against Andy last night was a sight to see. A great touch with the ball. He gave Andy a run for his money. I'm going to have to watch him more closely. ;)

Sad to say, I really don't think Andy is going to win the cup. He admitted that he is exhausted, physically and mentally, and he seems satisfied with the No. 1 ranking. In contrast, Federer looks like he found his second wind and is undefeated at this tournament. Andy can't afford to serve like crap and have so many unforced errors against Fed like he did against the other players. If he plays sloppy like that, Fed will clean him out.

The Fed match is going to be real nail-biter. :scared: Good luck to Andy! :banana:


Great! I'm glad you noticed Coria. He's got a entertaining game.

You sort of summed up how I feel about Andy's chances in this next match. Except, I'm not expecting it to be a nail biter. I'm thinking it's going to be all Fed.

J. Corwin
11-15-2003, 10:16 PM
I love nail-biting matches. ;)

And I did enjoy the "champagne clip" last nite as well. :)

J. Corwin
11-15-2003, 11:18 PM
And Andy lost 7-6(2) 6-2 to Roger.

I knew Andy was gonna lose but I was surprised at how close he played Roger in the first set. His serve held up for him until it went away again in the 2nd set.

I was relaxed and expected/saw the scoreboard tick away to the impending Roger win. :)

One think that's annoying is Andy's horrible TB record this week. Not one win in tiebreaks. Hopefully he'll change that.

A decent week nonetheless, and the most important: securing the year-end #1 ranking.

Hurley
11-16-2003, 12:51 AM
Too bad. But yes...World #1 for 2003 and the US Open championship! :worship:

Hope 2004 goes just as well...that would be incredible! :D

Mr. Man
11-16-2003, 01:57 AM
Oh well. You had a good year Andy! Winning some titles you've never won before and including a GS! Congrats on ending year #1! Bring on 04!

tangerine_dream
11-16-2003, 02:30 AM
Yep. I knew he was gonna lose against Roger. :sad:

But I am still happy that Andy made it to the semi-finals and has secured the No. 1 spot. He was really struggling the last few days and it was obvious how tired he was. It's been a crazy, exciting year and he did awesome! No one deserves the No. 1 ranking more than Andy and he has earned a well-deserved long vacation to rest and recharge his batteries. :yeah:

I hope 2004 is just as good to him as 2003 has been. I'm looking forward to it!

AO 2004 winner, coming up next! :bounce:

Bye, Andy! See you next year! :)

star
11-16-2003, 02:46 AM
Nice photo.

This was one of those truly miraculous years for Andy. I hope he takes time to enjoy it, and still works very hard on becoming very fit. He can be faster and more agile with work. That will help his game.

Next year will take a lot more work than this year. Andy won't be the young guy on the rise anymore. It's a whole new tour for him now. Federer will be tough next year for Andy. I think he has gained a lot of confidence now, plus I think Federer thinks that he is a much better player than Andy and should be at the top of the game. He's a great player and Andy will have to be very good and determined to stay up with him. Plus there's Ferrero as well and Nalbandian and so many, many good players.

Andy should be very proud and happy with what he has done this year. :)

J. Corwin
11-16-2003, 03:26 AM
Rest and be ready for 2004! :D

Deboogle!.
11-16-2003, 05:12 AM
REST is right. And I don't even think physically that much — he seemed to get more and more mentally exhausted as the week went on. Maybe he just mostly cared about the #1 and once that was secured, he just let go a little more each time when the opponents were really tough.

Too bad about tonight though, they both played extremely well in the first set - it was very quick considering it went to a tie-breaker. Unfortunately it was in the TB where he let his 1st serve % go down a little and that made a difference. Then Fed just totally stepped up, but Andy definitely stepped down too and just looked wiped.

Unfortunately I was pretty positive he was going to lose, I was just hoping it'd be more of a fight - that he'd go down swinging and hang on til the end since even if he lost it'd be the last match before getting to rest.

But hopefully now he can take the break he really needs and somehow find the inspiration that led him from June-September, because from September on it was not stellar. He even lost the last SIX tiebreakers he played - and those are usually his greatest moments. To me that is really telling.

But hopefully it's nothing to be really worried about yet. Just from the few changes he's made to his schedule that we already know about, he's planning better (such as Scottsdale instead of Delray Beach - a slightly tougher tournament and closer to Indian Wells travel-wise) and according to Brad he's going to start him on a really intense fitness program in the off-season.

But I personally think his mental issues the past few weeks were much more of a problem that they'll need to break down and figure out. He had tough matches against total nobody qualifiers and he lost almost every tight match he was in, when we know he was physically capable to win most of them.

I hope he'll get it figured out, I think he'll get it figured out... he BETTER get it figured out! Oz is only two months away and he has mucho SF points to defend. Then he'll have to step up and show how badly he really wants to be #1 and stay there.

star
11-16-2003, 01:44 PM
Brad is going to put him with a fitness trainer according to PMac so that will be a good thing. Brad saw up close how much fitness meant for Andre.

Andy is a big heavy boned guy and that's a problem in terms of injuries etc. so he needs to be very fit indeed.

Deboogle!.
11-16-2003, 02:08 PM
yep totally. He's pretty fit already but getting stronger can't ever hurt!

tangerine_dream
11-16-2003, 04:33 PM
REST is right. And I don't even think physically that much — he seemed to get more and more mentally exhausted as the week went on. Maybe he just mostly cared about the #1 and once that was secured, he just let go a little more each time when the opponents were really tough.

I agree. I think his biggest goal was to secure No. 1 and then make it into the semis. Once he did that, he was "done" with the tournament and didn't seem to care much about any matches after that. He had nothing left in the arsenal.

It was kind of sad to see him so wiped out. I have never seen him look so tired and dejected. He wasn't doing any fist-pumping, wasn't talking to or scolding himself, he wasn't trying to jack himself up like he usually does. With each point he lost, he just shook his head, put his head down, fiddled with his racket, and tried to look interested in the game. Even Brad Gilbert seemed to recognize that Andy was flaming out and wasn't trying to encourage him to fight back.

And the Fed looked positively bored with his win over Andy. He knew he didn't get the best game out of Andy so the win was kindof a freebie.

As Andy said in the post-interview, it sucks that he lost but he's more relieved that it's over. :sad:

At least he didn't totally bomb out the way JC did. Boy, I feel bad for that guy. Who knows how his lousy performance at Houston will affect him going in to next year?

star
11-16-2003, 04:59 PM
Well, Federer looks pretty much bored all of the time anyway. :)

Deboogle!.
11-16-2003, 05:42 PM
LOL Star, true enough!

And tangerine, per usual it seems, I totally agree. If Andy'd lost in a set with a tight break or another tie-breaker or whatever, I don't think i'd feel so badly about it, but just seeing him out there letting stuff fly by and just going through the motions was sad. It's not the way you want to end a season and just hopefully the only reason was mental and physical exhaustion and wanting a break too much. For me, the $370,000 would've been more than enough to motivate me to dig everything out of the reserves as possible, but Andy was obviously far beyond that point. I just hope it juices him up for next year and that he and Brad can watch some of these tapes and figure out what happened, during both the good and bad matches.

as for Ferrero, yes.... just gotta feel for him. I just can't imagine what happened to him out there. He is FAR from my favorite but as a tennis fan I hated seeing him tank out SO badly.