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esther
11-01-2003, 01:54 AM
I hope i dont get sued for this LOL coz i dunno if this is like...legal to post nearly a whole boook on the net or nething but neway this is kinda a summary so yeah.

Chapter One
(Arnaud and Seb talking about how they met and their history etc.)

Page 8

ARNAUD: My mum had told me, before I got onto the court: “Say, he is a bit pudgy, you should try and tire him out and make him run as much as possible!” You’ve got to admit you had chubby cheeks…

SÉBASTIEN: Yeah, it’s funny; my mum used to force-feed me sandwiches after my matches!! I scoffed them like I was a new born- six times a day! So yeah… It’s true…I was fat! No, well actually I was rather plump, not really fat…I live in the USA now and over there, I’ve seen a lot of fat people and well, I’m not like them…

* * *

Page 12

ARNAUD: But you were always like that…when you were at tennis school at Boulouris (near Saint-Raphael), I was told that you ate in secret!

SEB: No, that’s not entirely true. I mean, over there, the food wasn’t really that good, especially dinner. The cooks made an effort for lunch because employees from nearby businesses came to eat at the restaurant there, but for dinner…So we made “J.R.” (Jean-René Lisnard, who is also a pro tennis player), get us pizzas about three out of five nights a week. I mean, it wasn’t very healthy.



* * *

Arnaud: I have to admit something about that: I had the feeling that you didn’t like me…We didn’t know each other, but there was still this kind of rivalry between us. It was really tense. You made it hard for me.

Seb: I think that it would have been the same with anyone, if they were stronger, weaker or at the same level as me. What was difficult to live with was that I had to share Barnard with you. There was such closeness between us; it was like a father-son relationship. Bernard Fritz had done everything for me, he looked after me when I was at Boulouris then, after my stay at Insep, and he was there when I was recovering in Marseille. To have to suddenly share him with you, it was hard to live with. It wasn’t good. If there was something wrong between us, it was because of that… because you came and took that part of me away.

Arnaud: Like how the eldest child is always jealous of the birth of their little brother or sister…



* * *

Arnaud: The worst thing was that until you reached the top 80, you didn’t do anything in training. When Bernard told us to stretch, you just held the pole and you stretched your leg for ten seconds and that was it! I still have that picture in my head…It was a joke…(laughs)

Seb: My calf was hurting!! (laughs)

Arnaud: Yeah right, you did that ten times, a hundred times! Me…I had to train like crazy, I liked it though. You, you were able to play without working hard at all. You only started to train seriously when you got into the top 100


* * *
Page 19

Arnaud: That wasn’t that long ago, but I don’t remember that…

Seb: Now I understand why you have being carrying around a notebook for two years! It’s because you forget everything!

Arnaud: Yeah. But yeah, for these past two years I’ve written everything down.

Seb: You should have started doing that ten years ago!


* * *

Arnaud : Me, I have never played Sampras. I would really like to at least once, anywhere, wouldn’t matter if I lost or won.


* * *

esther
11-01-2003, 01:55 AM
Chapter Two
(They talk about how they started playing tennis and how, in the start, no one thought they’d make it this far.)

Page 32
Arnaud: I remember once, they gave me blood tests when I was sleeping, every two hours, to test how tall I would be when I had stopped growing. The doctors then told us that I would be between 1.68m and 174m; they weren’t mistaken because I am now 1.72 meters tall.


Arnaud : At the club, nobody thought that I could play the sport professionally.
No one believed in me.
* * *

Page 33
Sébastien : They told me that it would be hard for me to succeed at the highest level because, physically, I would not be able to keep up. Then, they introduced us to the 2001 champion as if he was so big and strong…I don’t hold any resentment towards the FFT today, because it gave me so many opportunities and brought me to where I am today. But at the time, it was really disheartening to say that I wouldn’t have a future in this game just because of my size.

* * *

esther
11-01-2003, 01:56 AM
Chapter Three
(Arnaud talks about how bitchy Seb was to him before they became friends and they talk about the time they started training together and getting to know each other better.)

Page 40
Arnaud: It wasn’t just because he thought he was better than me, but it was just that Seb was simply not my mate. Now and again, he would be quite hard on me. I always had to watch what I said. We often emphasized how he’s a bit of a tease. Well! It didn’t bother me whenever he tried to provoke me, but him on the contrary, he got really upset as soon as I did the same. Clearly, he had the right to make fun of me, but I didn’t have the right to do the same with him.

* * *

Arnaud : I had the feeling that the uneasiness was due to the fact that I had interfered with the relationship he had formed with Bernard, so I told myself that it may cool down when we knew each other better. We never really had a true confrontation or had a serious argument face to face. Me, by nature, I didn’t want to be at conflict with someone, especially when I knew that I would be spending so much time with him. Therefore, I was always a bit reserved.

* * *

esther
11-01-2003, 01:57 AM
Chapter Four:
(About how they started to become friends, how they went to the army together and how they became ‘adults’.)

Page 46
Arnaud : At Brasov, in Romania, it was really terrible. The place was the most disgusting we had ever seen! Sébastien arrived alone, after having a shocking trip before finally arriving, and we didn’t dare to go to the hotel toilets- there were all these flies around it…

In Newcastle, in England, I played my first round match sponsored entirely by…Sébastien Grosjean! My bag had been lost at the airport, so I had to borrow everything off Seb… clothes and shoes, even though we didn’t have the same sponsors, luckily, we are the same size!

* * *

Sébastien: At the end of 1997, Arnaud and I were in the army together and with this, we got to know each other better. It wasn’t fun at all; we spent all our time cleaning everything. Everything always had to be perfect- all neat and tidy.

* * *

Sébastien:
-What sport do you play?
-Tennis
-Do you know Santoro?
We hardly knew him.
-Yeah, I bit. Why?
-When he came here, he criticized the army, he skipped classes by going to an island and he refused to cut his hair…

Then, he shaved our heads!! Thanks, Fabrice!

* * *

Page 48
Arnaud : One of my worst memories of 1997 was my first Roland Garros and my shocking defeat against Jerome Golmard: 6-1 6-2 6-3. We were playing on court 9 which was an old court and I got a 500 dollar fine for trying to hit a ball and smash the apartment windows of Auteuil Boulevard…

* * *

Page 50
Arnaud : From the start of the circuit, Sébastien and I have had different training methods. One hour or an hour and a half was enough for him; me, I needed two, sometimes even more than three. When I watched Seb, he found everything so easy, he was so talented; he hit the ball for an hour without really making all that much effort, sometimes I told myself: “Ok, this guy can do anything!”

* * *

Arnaud : During this 1997-1998 period, our relationship, between Seb and me, had definitely improved. We had become good accomplices. Nothing like how we were at the start. However, something that kind of made me think a bit, was when I learnt that Marie-Pierre, his wife, was pregnant with Lola (born on the 11th October 1998) and, although it may seem a bit stupid, it really hurt me because he had told me a lot later. I really had expected that I would have been one of the first to be told. I told myself that he didn’t trust me. I was offended. Without talking about it to Seb, I created a distance between us, and it took a bit of time for me to get over it. But after a while, I got over it.


* * *

Page 51
Sébastien : I had left home and my parents when I was young, and that’s definitely why I wanted to start a family early; I needed this stability outside the life of tennis. I wanted to have a life. However, from the beginning of Marie-Pierre’s pregnancy, I couldn’t accept that I was going to become a father.

* * *

Sébastien : I didn’t think it was that necessary to announce it, so I took a while to tell Arnaud. And anyway, there weren’t many other people that I told before him. Arnaud found out the news at Wimbledon, and Lola was born 3 months later. I would have told him before, but I was simply not ready.

* * *

Page 54
Arnaud : I remember winning our first doubles title, in Casablanca, in 2000. In doubles, Seb and I knew each other really well. We always played for fun, without taking things too seriously, but at the same time we never wanted to lose. We were really excited and really happy to have won our first title…

* * *

Sébastien :
One of my best memories is 2000 is of course the doubles victory in Casablanca. To play with Arnaud is a real pleasure for me; one time he tried to break the record for the slowest serve in history! Without any warning, he hit a first serve really, really slowly, screaming loudly while sprinting to the net; two out of three times, the returner missed the return so he was really surprised! Arnaud was able to hit a first serve at a speed under 100km/hr…He was really proud of himself. In this case, he ran up to the net so he was nearly touching it, while holding his racquet in front of him, like he was chasing butterflies! It was hilarious!

* * *

Sébastien :
Our closeness off the court didn’t stop getting any stronger because we didn’t lose contact, and we were now on a different, higher level- we became adults. With the passing of time, I felt that at this point, we become professionals.

esther
11-01-2003, 01:57 AM
Chapter Five.
(A whole chapter on their infamous Australian Open 2001 semi-final. Arnaud thinks that Seb would have won if Seb had his proper racquet and talks about how badly he felt after the match for Seb. Is very sweet hehe)

Page 58
Arnaud : If there is one player on the circuit I hate to play the most, it’s definitely him and I am sure that he feels the same way.

* * *
Arnaud: “If he had the right gear, the result would have undoubtedly have been different.”


* * *
Arnaud : After this victory, I felt really bad. Sébastien was good enough not to use this incident as an excuse, but I knew that it really determined the outcome. So, I couldn’t stop thinking how cruel this defeat was for Sébastien, his first semi final of a grand slam, to lose in five sets after being so near to winning, taking into account that if he had had the right racquet, the result would have definitely been different…

* * *

Page 68
Arnaud “I asked Agassi if he considered to have played a big match against me in the final. He responded, but I didn’t understand anything!

Arnaud :
With time, I tell myself that this semi final between Sébastien and I really improved our friendship in the sense that, taking into account the stakes of the match, it could have been the opposite result. It would have been really difficult to accept!

* * *
Arnaud : I didn’t dare to talk to him about the match afterwards; we acted as if nothing had happened. I didn’t how to behave around him, until the day when I saw that he was reacting positively- playing so well that he reached the final of Marseille, semis of Monte-Carlo, victory at Bercy and final of the Masters Cup…This 26th of January 2001 didn’t hurt him. I felt better.


* * *
Page 69
Sébastien : Our success in Melbourne had stirred up a media frenzy that I hadn’t at all expected since I was living in Florida. Arnaud had predicted that it would become impossible to go to the supermarket without being asked for an autograph, but it was during a press conference at Roland Garros, before we left for Gand, which made me conscious of the huge change.

esther
11-01-2003, 01:58 AM
Chapter Six
(They talk about their contrasting personalities and why they love each other so much =) )

Page 72
Arnaud: At the start, I think that the media made out that we were closer than we actually were in real life. It’s true that it’s quite a beautiful story and there are some easy similarities- same age, same size, same place of birth, same coach…We progressed at the same time, we played the same tournaments, we saw each other all the time; basically, there were all the ingredients for a perfect friendship. But we were only mates and I couldn’t say that at that time we were at all true friends.

* * *

Arnaud : I’m sure it’s because of this why Seb and Marie-Pierre asked me to be the godfather of Tom. When they asked me, I found it really touching. For me, it meant a lot. It was a huge test of confidence for me, to take a responsibility as significant as that. It scared me a bit, but I didn’t hesitate for a second

* * *

Page 73
Sébastien : The friendship between me and Arnaud has always been a healthy one, despite the competition associated with our sport.
* * *

Sébastien :

We have grown up together…but then again I guess we haven’t really grown up at all… (laughs) and we are like part of the same family. So, it was obvious to me to ask Arnaud to be the godfather of my son, Tom, born in July 2002. The fact that we have to travel so much in this kind of job, means that it isn’t all that easy to have all that many friends. Mates, no problem, but someone who you can confide to without thinking twice, it’s rare. The godfather of my daughter, Lola, is my cousin. “La Clé” was the only person that could be the godfather of my son. My wife had already asked him casually, but I asked him ‘officially during the Masters Series in Madrid, in October 2002. He seemed to be really touched. For me, it was a way of showing him how much he means to Marie and me. Apart from my friend Nicolas Vix, there isn’t anyone who I am as closer to. It was kind of a way of bringing him into the family. And then, I know that, when Tom becomes unbearable, I can send him off to live with his godfather for the summer!! (laughs).


* * *

Page 76
Arnaud : Sébastien is obsessed with playing cards. I have to play with him all the time, it’s like drug for him. And I don’t even really like playing cards.

* * *


Page 77
Sébastien : Arnaud usually leaves a first impression as being quite reserved and quiet. That’s what I thought, at least, when I first met him. He was always so neat and perfect. In reality, he really liked to joke around and he’s always had quite a unique sense of humour.

* * *

Sébastien : Arnaud is like that, he really gives you an impression that he’s really sensible and well-behaved etc. but then when you get to know him better, he’s totally different and acts a lot more casual and relaxed. He can go crazy every once in a while and do some really insane things. But despite all that, he’s a really well brought-up boy. If he meets three people who he doesn’t know very well, he would greet all three of them with the same smile and the same friendliness.

On the other hand, he can sometimes totally shut himself off from everyone when he doesn’t give the slightest sign of life. He locks himself up in his room, comes out for meals but doesn’t talk to anyone. At the start, I had a lot of trouble understanding and accepting this kind of strange way of behaviour. I remember during this one tournament where he totally shut us off for three days and just stayed in his room.

With his craziness, Arnaud finds it easy to express himself to the public, like what he did after his quarter final victory against Kafelnikov during the 2001 Australian Open. I found his strip tease hilarious. He had warned us before the match that if he won he would do something crazy…but that…I guess when he took off his shirt it didn’t really surprise me- but then he took off his shoes and I remember thinking that he was insane…I thought he may even take off his shorts!!


* * *

Page 80
Arnaud : We sometimes talk about our differences and what we have in common. I never tell him what he should do. We usually agree on things when we discuss something. And then when that’s not the case, one of us can usually convince the other to agree. Of course, there are certain areas such as my musical tastes which we don’t agree on at all…
* * *


Arnaud : That’s what friendship is. Sébastien, I love him for a billion reasons and it’s not easy to narrow it down into a few words. There’s something really amazing between us and we’ve spent so much time together that what we have will always stay really special.

* * *

Page 81
Sébastien : Arnaud and I have very different tastes. Especially when it comes to TV shows. During the week of preparation before the Davis Cup final in 2002 against Russia, one night, several of the team members went to a Marc Lavoine concert. Nicolas Escudé, Paul-Henri Mathieu, Arnaud and me stayed in the hotel. We watched Star Academy in my room, but Scud and me were waiting for the start of the football match at 10:30pm, so we kept flicking between channels. Arnaud couldn’t stand it, so he went into another room to watch his show with Paulo…He really loves Star Academy and he even orders room service so he doesn’t miss a second of it!
* * *

Sébastien : It’s true that Arnaud has a really complicated personality and there are some things about him I still don’t understand today. For example, when he was in high school, he always listened to AC/DC, but since he was about 18 years old, he became a fan of Céline Dion and that kind of music. It doesn’t really make sense, because don’t they totally clash?

* * *

Sébastien : For me, that’s a clear example of how he can be to the extremes. For example, he can become infatuated with new idols really often…it’s actually quite amusing. He likes a specific type of music and one day he can really like some singers but then he can suddenly switch and like someone else. He buys all the CDs of one singer- even biographies- and as sure as he knows all their songs by heart…he switches and is suddenly obsessed with someone else! There have been Céline Dion, Lara Fabian, Alizée (ugh! ) or most recently, Avril Lavigne. It’s his childish side. I give him 14-15 more years, he probably won’t be like that after then…

* * *

Page 84
Arnaud : My aim has never been to be better than Sébastien, but it’s undeniable that there has always been emulation between us. He kept getting better and better and if I didn’t try and stay up there with him, I would have taken a lot longer to get to the level I was able to reach. There’s no doubt in my mind that Sébastien is better than me. Sébastien is capable of beating anyone, even if he doesn’t play all that well on the day. I see him as a really spectacular player when he is in form, I think that he amongst the very best players…

* * *

Page 85
Sébastien : Arnaud is a lot more organised than me. At the end of a training session, he systematically spreads out all his shirts in the bathroom, and as for me, I just throw them all in the corner. When I eventually get around to washing them, they do really smell…(Lol…)…Arnaud is more meticulous. You should see how he gets his bag ready before a match: a shirt and bandana for each set…He has an order of colours, a specific shirt for the start of the match, another for the end. His superstitions are unbelievable. If a combination works, he will use it again. When he won Lyon in 2000, he spent every night in his room ordering room service. The following year, he wanted to do the same thing, but I needed to interrupt this routine because I wanted to have dinner together, for at least one night…And then he lost!

* * *


Page 89
Sébastien : One year ago, against the Aussies, when he wasn’t selected in the team, I had assured him that we would play more Davis Cup finals. I had really hoped that we would play together during the final against the Russians, at Bercy…Unfortunately, his wrist prevented this from happening… *awwwww =( *


PAGES 94/95
Last two pages:

Arnaud: “A form of respect.”
Sébastien is, by far, the person I have played tennis with the most in my whole life- we have spent hours and hours of hours on the court together! I know him by heart and even before he hits a ball, I know what he’s going to do, and it’s the same thing with him. So, when we have to play each other, we anticipate a lot during the match. That’s why we have to try new things throughout the whole match to surprise the other…

Out of all the matches that I have won against him, I nearly could have lost them all. Frankly, Sébastien is the player I like to play the least on the circuit. I always think when we meet, that he has a better chance of going further in the tournament than me. No question about it. At US Open and in Lyon, I won, but needless-to-say I didn’t feel great before those matches.

I’ve won our two meetings in a grand slam (Australian and US) in five sets, so I tell myself that I have a slight advantage over him on hard court. In general, when it gets to a fifth set, I am always pretty happy. But when he starts to get tired, he still stays dangerous because he can still play really loosely, which means he can still play some unbelievable points. In general, Seb plays really fast, and I can counter that well; however, in each of our matches, there have been some really strange points and rallies where they have been really slow or we completely neutralise each other. So, it seems that nothing is happening! It’s because of this that some people have thought our match at the US Open 2002 thought it was of a really mediocre standard (Richie Gasquet included…), whereas we felt it was our best match that we had played against each other. In our matches, there is such a form of respect; we have never thought we have played a bad match together or we have never let the other win. It’s a true test of honesty.

It was during our match in Toulouse in 1998 when we decided to ‘play the umpire’, every time we played each other, meaning that we would never question calls. That day, Seb played a point, at the end of the third set at 5-4 for me, so it was a really important point. He served, and it was called a fault. But he was sure it was good! He asked me: “How did you see it?” I honestly had no idea, so I answered “Honestly, I don’t know.” He wasn’t happy about it and I felt it on the court…So that’s why from that day on, we decided to never to question calls during our matches!


Sébastien: “Did you see who was watching us play?”Arnaud can sometimes completely lose it when he’s playing me. My most marking memory was when we were playing in the qualifications in Adelaide, in 1999. For some reason which is unknown to me, he suddenly blew up in rage and threw his racquet into a court opposite; there wasn’t anything separating these courts. Arnaud was going to go get it when the umpire- Pascal Maria- told him that he wasn’t allowed to go onto the other court. That really made him go crazy…Eventually, he got the racquet back from a ball-kid, but he was still fuming. A bit later on, he finished his little exhibition by hanging onto the wire fence, like a bat (hanging onto like cave walls); he stayed in that position for a good minute or so! It was a shame there wasn’t a photographer to capture the moment! At Rotterdam as well, Arnaud did something really dramatic. Because he was disputing a call, he stopped playing for about five minutes and asked everyone about it…he even called for the supervisor…What a performance! He admitted to me after, that if it wasn’t for the fact that he was playing me, he would have even he would have gone a bit further and done something even more extreme.

In Boston, I remember it was a really heavy, humid day. Personally, I couldn’t keep going for any longer; the week before, I had reached the semis at Indianapolis and I was really in agony. I won a set before cracking and couldn’t go on any more. But the silliest thing I remember- and this sums up Arnaud’s personality perfectly- was during the US Open 2002. At the end of the match, he came up to me and goes, ‘Did you see who was watching us play?!” He had a sort of mysterious look about him, and his eyes were all lit up. I thought he was going to say a name of a movie start of a singer…But no! He goes, “Richard Gasquet, the prodigy, he came to see us play, it’s that fantastic?” Well, that’s Arnaud for you. =)

Marine
11-01-2003, 03:54 PM
Thanks a lot, Esther !!
I already know all the book (thanks to you), but it's nice though !
T'es ADORABLE ! :kiss:

Lizan
11-02-2003, 10:13 AM
Thank u esther!! I found out I didn't read the last two pages...

ubrunjensen
11-02-2003, 01:42 PM
Thank you so much for breaking the law, Esther! Ha ha! I loved every word - and I think they're so sweet together! I like Grosjean more and more, he seems very much like a person and not a tennis personality, if you know what I mean.

Tricky_Forehand
11-03-2003, 11:20 PM
Reading the excerpts made my good day even better :) . I've been so mad at Sebastien since his loss to Henman and his attitude afterwards but reading this reminds me of why I like him as both a person and a player. I rarely ever get frustrated with Sebastien but I'm sure that most of you can understand what made me so mad about that QF :p .

I've had the chance to meet Sebastien two years in a row at the Los Angeles tournament and I really hope that he comes back in 2004. He seems to like LA so I think that he will. I only wish that Arnaud would come back to the LA tournie now that I live here but he doesn't seem to like to come to the States unless he absolutely has to...lol. I still hold out hope though.

ubrunjensen
11-04-2003, 10:48 AM
Hi Tennis724, you must be a new face! Nice to see that Grosjean has so many fans from different places. Hmm, I gotta move to better cities I see, if I really want to meet our Frenchie one day! Living in Denmark sure isn't going to do the trick.

I take it you like Nicolas Kiefer? What's become of him lately? I rather liked him as well, but suddenly he seemed to vanish into the blue.

esther
11-04-2003, 11:18 AM
marine you want the french version yeah?

ubrunjensen
11-04-2003, 12:41 PM
THANK YOU SO MUCH, Esther, for Passing potes!!!
I've just read it and it really made me smile! Aren't they the sweetest guys? I've loved Grosjean since that semifinal in AO 2001, but I've never really given Clément a second thought until now. But he's actually quite a sweetie!
So thank you for trying and trying! Now I finally know what you've all been talking about...

Tricky_Forehand
11-04-2003, 08:06 PM
Hi Tennis724, you must be a new face! Nice to see that Grosjean has so many fans from different places. Hmm, I gotta move to better cities I see, if I really want to meet our Frenchie one day! Living in Denmark sure isn't going to do the trick.

I take it you like Nicolas Kiefer? What's become of him lately? I rather liked him as well, but suddenly he seemed to vanish into the blue.

Hi ubrunjensen! Yes, I'm a fairly new face around here. I actually came upon this place by accident when I was looking for any news that mentioned Alex Bogomolov. I'm crazy about him (obviously...lol) and it's torture for me when I can't know exactly how he's doing. The torture of finding info on Challengers :banghead: .

About Nicolas. Yes, i'm also a huge fan of his. For about 8 years now actually. He hasn't really vanished into the blue. He's just not where he used to be or where he belongs. Nicolas has had a variety of injury problems. Whether it's a stress fracture in his ankle like at the beginning of this year that kept him out till March or other problems. He has had a few good runs this year but something always seems to happen that knock him back again.

He made the Final in Halle this year. And a couple of SFs: LA and Long Island. And a QF in Indianapolis. He came really close to ending the year in the top 50 but an early loss in St. Petersburg knocked him back down to 58. He had QF points to defend there. He has improved on his ranking from last year and this year was better results wise.

OK, I'll hush now :p . This is Sebastien's thread and I could go on and on about Nicolas :D .

Marine
11-04-2003, 08:15 PM
marine you want the french version yeah?

Euhh..
:unsure:...I'd prefer, yeahh...you're an angel, esther ! :kiss:

esther
11-05-2003, 08:26 AM
but I've never really given Clément a second thought until now.

:smash:

lol well i'm glad you have now!~!!!

esther
11-05-2003, 08:27 AM
its funny tho coz its hard to like one of them without liking the other (seb and arnaud) i mean...i dont neone who likes one and not the other

esther
11-05-2003, 08:28 AM
marine- i've still got to type out the last two pages of that...i've done the rest of it but i'll email it to you by the weekend. :)

and ubrunjensen- you are welcome! :)

ubrunjensen
11-05-2003, 08:45 AM
Sorry, don't know Alex Bogomolov at all! Never even heard his name...Kiefer, now, he used to be much better ranked and he's played doubles with Grosjean, so him I do know. Nothing like injuries to ruin everything. And yes, this is about Grosjean, but wouldn't hurt to talk about other players now and again...

ubrunjensen
11-05-2003, 08:49 AM
Ah, I grovel before your feet...ma ha, so sorry for never looking twice at Clément! But he's blonde and not really my type and at AO 2001 he seemed to be the extroverted one - and I like them dark and shy...just like Grosjean! But yeah, Clément sounds really nice in the book, very intelligent and sensitive. Will always prefer Grosjean, though...

Tricky_Forehand
11-05-2003, 06:31 PM
its funny tho coz its hard to like one of them without liking the other (seb and arnaud) i mean...i dont neone who likes one and not the other

I never thought about that but I guess you're right. I actually started liking Arnaud first but then I saw Sebastien shortly after and Sebastien has become more my favorite of the two. It's still hard for me to watch matches when they play each other though because it just breaks my heart :sad: .

Tricky_Forehand
11-05-2003, 06:37 PM
Sorry, don't know Alex Bogomolov at all! Never even heard his name...Kiefer, now, he used to be much better ranked and he's played doubles with Grosjean, so him I do know. Nothing like injuries to ruin everything. And yes, this is about Grosjean, but wouldn't hurt to talk about other players now and again...

A lot of people haven't heard of Alex Bogomolov. He caught my attention at the Los Angeles tournament in his first pro match where he beat Tommy Haas. I wasn't too happy with Alex for beating Tommy but after a few days I realized that there was a reason that this kid beat Tommy. Anyway, Alex has had my attention since July 2002 and I doubt it will ever let up...lol.

Nicolas is actually a very good doubles player. Whether it's with Sebastien, Andrei Pavel, Justin Gimelstob (now that team is a strange one!!), or others.

esther
11-06-2003, 08:44 AM
It's still hard for me to watch matches when they play each other though because it just breaks my heart :sad: .

yeah they hate playing each other as well :( theyre so cuteeee

wilma
11-06-2003, 09:28 AM
aaaaah Esther, I decided to order the book after I'd read your excerpts. I think Seb & Arnaud are very lovable And I think it's good they have each other, if not for all tournements on the tour at least some of them. I read a comment from Seb somewhere after he'd won St Petersbourg, and he said he had no one to celebrate his victory with so he would probably just order extra room service. I thought it really sad.

Can I bother you for your translation when the book arrives?

BTW, I think you own the copyright of your translation yourself (why don't you do something with it? Offer it to a publisher. There must be zillions of people out there who have been waiting for this book all their lives - am totally unbiased of course. But seriously, it's worth a try).

esther
11-08-2003, 12:06 AM
Wilma- omg i should soooo get paid for my dedicated work to this book...
ok for 1) translating and 2) do u know how many people have bought it after me telling them about it...i'm such a good advertiser *is modest* lol

the girl that sent me the book, Via (where the hell is she these days?) was saying something about doing somethign like that but i'm only 16 and dont want to get into that LOL but like i am actually scared coz i dont know if its actual ...like...LEGAL to be translating a whole book like that and giving them to all these ppl?! but i guess im' not making money so hopefully its ok..maybe i'll ask Sylvain- the guy whos obsessed with ...uhh i mean runs arnaud's site i dunno

but yeah course i'll send you the translation- whats ur email?

wilma
11-08-2003, 11:05 AM
Hey Esther, thank you so much; I hope the book will arrive soon.

I actually translated a couple of books myself, and because I "sell" my copyright to the company I translate it for, I gathered you own your own copyright. Also I get some money if people get 'my' books from the library (more even than the person who actually wrote it). But what about offering Passing Potes to a publisher?

esther
11-09-2003, 01:05 AM
omg so youre actually involved with that stuf with ur job?!! thats interesting...i guess you'd be the perfect person to talk about this to since you would know about it and everything but yeah...i dunno...how would i go about doing something like that, offering it to a publisher??

i dunno tho...i'm just translating it so ppl can read it...i dont really want to make it nething official...

esther
11-09-2003, 01:07 AM
and i've sent u the book :)

wilma
11-09-2003, 08:46 AM
Esther, the 'book' has arrived. thank you so much! now i'll have sth to do on this lazy sunday.
i just translate books that are offered to me; i have never translated sth of my own accord - and i've mainly translated cookbooks (burp). a few weeks ago i was offered a book about david beckham, but unfortunately i was working on a book with chicken recipes... my dream is translating some literary work - but maybe i'm not good enough.

so, how would you go about? you could try and find a publisher that publishes books on sports and then sent a letter in which you tell about the book and why it is interesting ("great pictures", "interesting people", "many (tennis) fans all over the world", "interesting for people who do not meet with standard sportmanlike build, therefore an inspiration and an example of perseverance", "fairly recent", etc), tell them that you translated the book, and include a few interesting/funny excerpts. and then ask whether they're interested.

so why not try this? you've put a lot of effort into it. an old dutch (maybe everywhere though) saying is: 'no' you have already, 'yes' is to be obtained. but if you don't want to, that's ok too of course.

wilma
11-09-2003, 12:23 PM
aaaaaaaah book is lovely!

hope the real thing will arrive this week

ubrunjensen
11-09-2003, 02:49 PM
Wilma, do you translate books for a living? If so, how great! Only cook books or also other kinds? I write reviews on books for a Danish internet site, I do it for free becoz I just love books and reading. My only salary is the book which is fine if the book's any good and pretty crappy if not! Right now I'm reading Gabriel García Márquez' memoirs - and I just love his novels! I've sometimes toyed with the idea of translation, but don't really know if there's any money in it. Or if I'm skilled enough to do it. Could be fun to try it, though.

esther
11-10-2003, 10:10 AM
wilma- hmm i really dont know...remember i'm only 16!! lool i dont want to get involved into business stuf and what would the publishers do with the english version neway? i think most pppl that would buy it would speak french neway...i dunno i'll think about it?

wilma
11-10-2003, 10:17 AM
oooooooo ulla, free books are always good to get! yes, i translate for a living but you're right, it won't make me a fortune. but i enjoy it very much.

esther, i get your point. but maybe if he wins the AO next year...

esther
11-10-2003, 10:21 AM
lol wilma! hmmm i'll have to see
arnaud got to the final of AO remember and youd be surprised how little he's known here i think

i dunno...

i'd love to do somethign with languages as a job when i'm older but yeah have a while yet to think about that lol

wilma
11-10-2003, 11:06 AM
yes, neither of them has a big profile. isn't that strange though. i mean, when nalbandian had his wrist injury i read about it everywhere and when seb had his elbow injury hardly anyone mentioned it. like on the atp site, i think it was, i read that seb had won his first match since a few months, so why was there no info about that he had had an injury? it just looked (for outsiders) as if he had played really crap for a while - which was of course due to the injury.

esther
11-10-2003, 11:08 AM
yeah i know what you mean...but i dont mind if they dont have big profiles makes them more special dont u think? lol

ubrunjensen
11-10-2003, 11:31 AM
I love to discover diamonds in the raw, I always do! Used to be really talented footballers, now I'm so much more into tennis. I sometimes feel it's a bit unjust that official sites like the ATP pay very little attention to players outside the top 10 (hell, they even ignore some of the guys on the top 10) - but I'm sure it's just a question of who's winning the big titles or not. If he won a Grand Slam I think it would be different. Anyway, I don't mind the lower profiles, always used to cheer on the underdog!

wilma
11-13-2003, 03:22 PM
ah!! passing-potes arrived today :D (what does the title mean?)

esther
11-15-2003, 08:08 AM
oh cool! Arent the pictures fantastic?!!!!!
the title...its really stupid but its like 'Passing' = passing shot, but also is like coz they cross paths and passed each other and that...stupid lol and Potes means 'mates' so yeah...

they had another title they were going to call it...it was so much better but i forgot what it was now hehe

tommy_girl
07-30-2004, 09:19 AM
h! ... i just read this thread and im glad i did.. cant explain how good it feels after reading this.

before, i just saw pix of them arnaud and seb together and i've always wondered how close they were as friends. this thread has answered my questions and thanks esther for posting this. :wavey:

Lizan
07-30-2004, 10:51 PM
lol u mean u thought they were gay?? I dont blame u after the pictures with the red shoes lol!! So funny!!

tommy_girl
07-31-2004, 12:42 AM
haha... no, not like that... it never entered my mind that they were gay... i'm just curious about their friendship. for me friendship is special and i think what they have is special. like zabaleta and gaudio, they're also good friends... :)

Lizan
07-31-2004, 11:13 AM
Oooh LOL okay!! :)
Yeh they seem to be the best friends.. Although I read somewhere that Seb had a best friend and it wasn't Arnaud..