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2006:year when all the records where broken...

makro120
01-23-2006, 03:21 PM
The natural sequel to my thread "Records for Federer to beat this year (2005)"..

It is about time now for Federer to rise above the 2 magnificent years we have enjoyed so much and do what I have been dreaming (maybe some other Fedlunatics too) about for a long time, the perfect tennis year!

4 GSs, this is the year! Federer lost 6 games 2004, 4 extremly frustrating close games in 2005 (except against Nadal) and now I expect him to futher improve to perfection and immortality, in 2006 Federer wont lose game and will win 4 grand slams, 7 master series, master cup and davis cup! Ofcourse I would be happy if he would just win 4 grand slams and lose every other match....

Anyway, this should be a special year for everyone of us and this is the thread where we will be celebrating all fantastic records Federer will break 2006, 2004-2005 Federer was only warming up for this year.

To begin with Federer is about to get to his 7th straight semifinal in grand slam, when was the last time someone achieved this and what is the record?

TennisGrandSlam
01-23-2006, 04:07 PM
Hardcourt Streak is active (49 after Hass Games)

I hope that Roger will have Year-spanning Grand Slam

Wimbledon 2005 -> US Open 2005 -> Australian Open 2006 -> Roland Garros 2006

makro120
01-25-2006, 08:25 PM
Now he has 50 straight hard court streak and7 straight GS semifinals!

Can somebody please tell me what is the open era record of straight GS semifinals?

Skyward
01-25-2006, 08:35 PM
Makro, for Roger's sake could you please delete this thread? Nothing personal against you, but whenever you show up with your unrealistic predictions, Roger starts having problems. :sad:

makro120
01-25-2006, 08:58 PM
I totaly agree there are some big problems Federer needs to deal with, some really big problems. I used to be fearless making these kind of predictions, belive it or not I belived in them myself. But something has happened, not only to me but also to Federer. Federer is not fearless out there on court anymore, the Safin game was really the beginning of the problems but the nalbandian match was the big blow. Safin might have won against Federer playing almost his best, but in no way did he outplay Federer. Nalbandian did something no other player has done for several years, he totaly dominated Federer for almost 3 sets.

I think what we see today is a Federer who is beginning to doubt his invincibility (that is his confidence that if he plays his tennis no one can beat him), the curse of NAlbandian can only be broken in an AO final against NAlbandian where Federer must win. I think Federer will indeed be pumped up in this final and play his best tennis, maybe better tennis than we have ever seen before. Thereafter I hope Federer will get back to the old fearless Federer and we will see Federer winning as the artist and not the bigpoint champion, afterall the artist Federer and not the champion Federer is what made me a fan of him 5 years ago, I dont want to belive Federer will become a new Sampras.

But as I said no longer am I convinced about his superiority, but I try to be hopeful and this thread is only trying to spread some optimism in such hard times for other fans aswell as myself.

intikab
01-25-2006, 09:38 PM
Now he has 50 straight hard court streak and7 straight GS semifinals!

Can somebody please tell me what is the open era record of straight GS semifinals?

Eight straight by Ivan Lendl - 86 FO to 88 AO.

makro120
01-25-2006, 10:32 PM
Eight straight by Ivan Lendl - 86 FO to 88 AO.

Semifinal in RG and wimbledon would be enought for Federer to break another great record then.

Dirk
01-26-2006, 07:07 PM
I totaly agree there are some big problems Federer needs to deal with, some really big problems. I used to be fearless making these kind of predictions, belive it or not I belived in them myself. But something has happened, not only to me but also to Federer. Federer is not fearless out there on court anymore, the Safin game was really the beginning of the problems but the nalbandian match was the big blow. Safin might have won against Federer playing almost his best, but in no way did he outplay Federer. Nalbandian did something no other player has done for several years, he totaly dominated Federer for almost 3 sets.

I think what we see today is a Federer who is beginning to doubt his invincibility (that is his confidence that if he plays his tennis no one can beat him), the curse of NAlbandian can only be broken in an AO final against NAlbandian where Federer must win. I think Federer will indeed be pumped up in this final and play his best tennis, maybe better tennis than we have ever seen before. Thereafter I hope Federer will get back to the old fearless Federer and we will see Federer winning as the artist and not the bigpoint champion, afterall the artist Federer and not the champion Federer is what made me a fan of him 5 years ago, I dont want to belive Federer will become a new Sampras.

But as I said no longer am I convinced about his superiority, but I try to be hopeful and this thread is only trying to spread some optimism in such hard times for other fans aswell as myself.

He was great in Doha and his first 3 matches here in Oz. Ninja will return don't worry Makro.

Minnie
01-27-2006, 01:28 AM
Please everyone ... what Roger achieved in 2004 was incredibly hard and also in 2005 - and I don't agree that the loss to Nalbandian in Shanghai would have made him doubt himself. In fact, I think he did wonderfully well to even get to the final, let alone take Nalby to 5 sets when he was clearly not 100% fit. He has made other top players raise their game to reach him - and that must be to the good of the game. It would be wonderful for him to achieve The GS - but I don't expect it. I am in absolute awe of Roger for the way he copes with all the expectations and pressures put on him.

makro120
01-27-2006, 01:35 AM
what roger achieved in 2004, was not hard. To any other tennis player in the world it would be almost impossible, but we all remember how easy Federer made it look. What he achieved in 2005 was hard, because some great players where challenging him. In 2004 he lost only to nobodies and had 18 straight games against top 10. In 2005 those
who beat him where top players and the most gifted young guns. What about 2006? Can he put the top players miles behind him again and at the same time be more concetrated when he is facing nobodies like in 2005?

Then he could achieve anything, u just have to belive.

SUKTUEN
01-27-2006, 10:30 AM
I hope Roger just Do his Best Job~~

makro120
01-29-2006, 11:55 AM
Fans of Roger, THE DREAM IS STILL ALIVE...

SUKTUEN
01-29-2006, 12:36 PM
Fans of Roger, THE DREAM IS STILL ALIVE...
YES~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROGER THANKYOU~!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

makro120
03-19-2006, 01:03 PM
Ok, Roger has been to 10 straight atp finals. Is this an open era record?

SUKTUEN
03-19-2006, 04:02 PM
really?????? 10 finals??? :eek:

makro120
03-19-2006, 04:29 PM
Halle
Wimbledon
Cincinatti
USopen
Bangkok
Shangai
Doha
Australian open
Dubai
Indian wells

stebs
03-19-2006, 06:56 PM
Here is another phenomenal acheivement which I have noticed by Federer.

Since his August '04 defeat to Tomas Berdych at the Athens Olympics he has won at least 11 straight matches before every defeat. His fll record is as follows:-

Slams = Blue
Masters = Green


US OPEN '04 - winner 7 matches and counting
Bangkok - winner 12 matches and counting
Masters Cup - winner 17 matches and counting
Doha - winner 22 matches and counting
Australian Open - Semi Finals - run snapped by SAFIN after 27 matches

Rotterdam - winner 5 matches and counting
Dubai - winner 10 matches and counting
Indian Wells - winner 16 matches and counting
Miami - winner 22 matches and counting
Monte Carlo - Quarter finals - run snapped by GASQUET after 25 matches

Hamburg - winner 6 matches and counting
Roland Garros - Semi Finals - run snapped by NADAL after 11 matches

Halle - winner 5 matches and counting
Wimbledon - winner 12 matches and counting
Cincinnati - winner 18 matches and counting
US Open - winner 25 matches and counting
Davis Cup match - winner 26 matches and counting
Bangkok - winner 31 matches and counting
Masters Cup - runner up - run snapped by NALBANDIAN after 35 matches

Doha - winner 5 matches and counting
Australian Open - winner 12 matches and counting
Dubai - runner up - run snapped by NADAL after 16 matches

He is, of course currently on a run of 5 matches and should he win tomorrow he would need another final at Miami to keep up this incredible success.

makro120
03-19-2006, 09:52 PM
Here is another amazing achievment by Roger Federer:

38 straight wins in the USA!

2 grand slams, 4 master series, 1 tennis master cup.

World Beater
03-19-2006, 11:19 PM
roger federer has not lost in back to back tournaments since 2004 olympics

SUKTUEN
03-20-2006, 07:21 AM
OH MY GOD~~!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

How wonderful Roger is?? :worship: :worship:

Rogiman
03-20-2006, 09:20 AM
2006 is already a great year, it would still be even if it ended tomorrow:

1 Grand Slam title.
1 TMS title.
1 International Series Gold title.

That's all it takes for a year to be considered great ;)

Actually, there's only one more thing to be achieved: Go get that pig once and for all, Roger! :mad:

nobama
03-20-2006, 09:54 AM
Hey I'll take GS/TMS wins over beating Nadal. I'm sure Roger wouldn't trade his AO or PLO trophy for a Dubai trophy.

Rogiman
03-20-2006, 10:09 AM
Hey I'll take GS/TMS wins over beating Nadal. I'm sure Roger wouldn't trade his AO or PLO trophy for a Dubai trophy.
A win over Nadal right now is not only necessary for the sake of winning trophies, it could prove crucial for the rest of the season, especially the clay season.

But this discussion belongs in the "bitch" thread ;)

yanchr
03-20-2006, 01:22 PM
Actually, there's only one more thing to be achieved: Go get that pig once and for all, Roger! :mad:
OMG...:lol: You simply love that pig don't you :rolls:

Sjengster
03-20-2006, 03:08 PM
Here is another phenomenal acheivement which I have noticed by Federer.

Since his August '04 defeat to Tomas Berdych at the Athens Olympics he has won at least 11 straight matches before every defeat. His fll record is as follows:-

Slams = Blue
Masters = Green


US OPEN '04 - winner 7 matches and counting
Bangkok - winner 12 matches and counting
Masters Cup - winner 17 matches and counting
Doha - winner 22 matches and counting
Australian Open - Semi Finals - run snapped by SAFIN after 27 matches

Rotterdam - winner 5 matches and counting
Dubai - winner 10 matches and counting
Indian Wells - winner 16 matches and counting
Miami - winner 22 matches and counting
Monte Carlo - Quarter finals - run snapped by GASQUET after 25 matches

Hamburg - winner 6 matches and counting
Roland Garros - Semi Finals - run snapped by NADAL after 11 matches

Halle - winner 5 matches and counting
Wimbledon - winner 12 matches and counting
Cincinnati - winner 18 matches and counting
US Open - winner 25 matches and counting
Davis Cup match - winner 26 matches and counting
Bangkok - winner 31 matches and counting
Masters Cup - runner up - run snapped by NALBANDIAN after 35 matches

Doha - winner 5 matches and counting
Australian Open - winner 12 matches and counting
Dubai - runner up - run snapped by NADAL after 16 matches

He is, of course currently on a run of 5 matches and should he win tomorrow he would need another final at Miami to keep up this incredible success.

'Twas actually a 26-match winning streak from US Open 04 to AO 05, because he got a walkover in the 4th round from Pavel en route to winning the title. But yes, I noticed this stat myself recently.

The commentators yesterday also declared that Federer had never lost back to back finals, which impressed me at first until I realised that it was obviously nonsense. He was 1-4 in finals early in his career, all of them indoors, so it stands to reason he lost two in a row at some stage. But in fairness, the last time it happened was around this time four years ago, when he lost the Milan and Miami finals (to Sanguinetti and Agassi respectively).

SUKTUEN
03-20-2006, 04:27 PM
thanks for the information

nobama
03-20-2006, 04:35 PM
A win over Nadal right now is not only necessary for the sake of winning trophies, it could prove crucial for the rest of the season, especially the clay season.

But this discussion belongs in the "bitch" thread ;)If Nadal is in form and playing well this clay season (and I have no reason to think he won't be) I don't see anyone (including Roger) beating him. But outside of the dirt I don't think Rafa will be his only challenge. We haven't yet seen Rafa beat good hc players on a consistent basis. And of course grass will be the toughest surface for him to conquer.

stebs
03-20-2006, 04:42 PM
If Nadal is in form and playing well this clay season (and I have no reason to think he won't be) I don't see anyone (including Roger) beating him.

I sometimes think this but then I think that if Roger plays 'super-impossible Roger tennis' for three sets he can do it.

Simple fact of the matter is if Roger or Marat play there best tennis against Rafa regardless of surface they should win. Rafa is great but it will always be the problem for a defensive player that if they meet someone with good strokes on great form they have no way to win. I know Roger would really have to play seriously incredible tennis and very hard it may be but impossible is nothing for Roger.

TheMightyFed
03-20-2006, 04:46 PM
I sometimes think this but then I think that if Roger plays 'super-impossible Roger tennis' for three sets he can do it.

Simple fact of the matter is if Roger or Marat play there best tennis against Rafa regardless of surface they should win. Rafa is great but it will always be the problem for a defensive player that if they meet someone with good strokes on great form they have no way to win. I know Roger would really have to play seriously incredible tennis and very hard it may be but impossible is nothing for Roger.
I agree, if he's in the zone like say against Hewitt in USO 04, nobody can stop him, even on clay. And with the Grand Slam at stake in RG this year, he knows if he wins it he's booked his place in history...

Rogiman
03-20-2006, 06:46 PM
If Nadal is in form and playing well this clay season (and I have no reason to think he won't be) I don't see anyone (including Roger) beating him.Roger winning or losing against Rafa has nothing to do with the surface, and the same strategy he will, hopefully, one day :rolleyes: , use to beat him on hardcourt, should work just fine on clay.

In that second set of the infamous RG SF match Roger had him on the ropes and Rafa looked clueless, after and before that it was more Roger shanking (or overcooking) shots from every corner of the court, rather than Nadal outplaying him.
After that match Roger said he knew he could beat him on every surface, which, judging by that 2nd set, is true, but for some reason has been losing to him on every surace instead :rolleyes:
And it's not like Nadal changes anything in his defensive-junkball-topspin-running like a mouse game when facing Roger on different surfaces.

I personally think the day Roger starts returning that fluffy lefty serve (don't buy into that "improved" serve theory) hard and to the corners, it's game over for Rafa, but again - it's all relevant to the legendary "Bitch" thread, not here. ;)

Dirk
03-20-2006, 07:41 PM
Roger I bet does more hard hitting BH returns. He was having succes with chip and charge on Nadal serves at RG. He was playing well until that last game in the 3rd set when the pressure of getting to the breaker got to him. He turned into Karate kid, but recovered in the 4th set only to lose his mentality again.

SUKTUEN
03-21-2006, 03:41 PM
I just want he win French Open and Wimby~~

makro120
03-23-2006, 01:03 PM
Here is another amazing achievment by Roger Federer:

38 straight wins in the USA!

2 grand slams, 4 master series, 1 tennis master cup.

That is actualy 43 straight wins in america, 42 if you dont count Pavel who had withdrawn from USOPEN 2004.

I remember once people thought Federer was not able to win tournaments in the USA...

WF4EVER
03-23-2006, 01:18 PM
2006 is already a great year, it would still be even if it ended tomorrow:

1 Grand Slam title.
1 TMS title.
1 International Series Gold title.

That's all it takes for a year to be considered great ;)

Actually, there's only one more thing to be achieved: Go get that pig once and for all, Roger! :mad:

The only thing left for Roger to do is to win the FO. I know Nadal troubles Federer and leads H2H but I'd hate for Rogie to become obsessed with Nadal the way some of us are.

Like I said in an earlier thread Fed has to beat Nadal only once this year and it would be momentous if it were in the FO Final.

I've seen a lot of players begin to focus on beating a single player and forget that there are other players out there. I don't want Roger to become like that. I know he can beat Nadal but he needs to show that he knows it, too.

I don't like Nadal but I'm not fixated on him. Roger will beat him in his own time and it will be the right time.

SUKTUEN
03-24-2006, 07:39 AM
I just can pray for Roger, Hope He can Win FO this year~~ :D

makro120
03-29-2006, 01:39 AM
Ok, so I am going to make a short list of streaks Federer is having right now, dont know if they are records or not, feel free to add information:

25-1 so far this year
10 straight finals (soon 11?)
12 straight semifinals
23 straight quater finals
45 straight matches in north america
21 straight master series matches won

If he wins one more match in Miami it will be the best start of the year to this date in the open era (the best is currently Agassi 2001 425 points).

Federer is sure to be nr1 until wimbledon, which means another 21 weeks as nr1. He has thereby secured to have 126 straight weeks as nr1. Not a record, but still impressive.

SUKTUEN
03-29-2006, 03:53 PM
I just hope he win FO (1 time is OK) and Wimby as least 8 times

makro120
04-01-2006, 01:16 AM
There we have it 11 straight finals and possibly a 10th master series title!

Does anyone know if 11 straight finals is a record? I would be surprised if it has been achieved before in the open era..

Rogiman
04-01-2006, 01:18 AM
He also maintains the 11 match wins between defeats record...

Sjengster
04-01-2006, 02:06 AM
There we have it 11 straight finals and possibly a 10th master series title!

Does anyone know if 11 straight finals is a record? I would be surprised if it has been achieved before in the open era..

I hate to pour water on your fire makro, but not only did McEnroe achieve 11 finals in a row from the end of 83 to the middle of 84, but Lendl achieved the small matter of *ahem* 18 finals in a row from 81-82, finally halted in the fourth round of RG by Wilander en route to his first Slam title. :p

TenHound
04-01-2006, 02:24 AM
okay, so he now ties JMac w/most finals by a non-Obessive Compulsive :) :)

nobama
04-01-2006, 02:26 AM
I hate to pour water on your fire makro, but not only did McEnroe achieve 11 finals in a row from the end of 83 to the middle of 84, but Lendl achieved the small matter of *ahem* 18 finals in a row from 81-82, finally halted in the fourth round of RG by Wilander en route to his first Slam title. :pDid people at the time complain about menst tennis being boring and Lendl having no competition? :lol:

nobama
04-01-2006, 02:27 AM
Masters Series winning streaks

1- Federer 23 (2005, 06) (still active)
2- Sampras 19 (1994)
3- Nadal 18 (2005)
4- Muster 17 (1995)
5- Federer 15 (2005)
5- Agassi 15 (2002)
7- Muster 14 (1996)
8- Roddick 13 (2003)
8- Chang 13 (1992)
8- Medvedev 13 (1994)
11- Federer 12 (2004)
11- Federer 12 (2005)
11- Agassi 12 (2001)
11- Courier 12 (1991)
15- Agassi 11 (1995)
15- Safin 11 (2004,05)
15 Rafter 11 (1998)
15- Rios 11 (1998)

SUKTUEN
04-01-2006, 11:06 AM
I don't know ~~But I know roger is amazing~~

makro120
04-01-2006, 05:15 PM
I hate to pour water on your fire makro, but not only did McEnroe achieve 11 finals in a row from the end of 83 to the middle of 84, but Lendl achieved the small matter of *ahem* 18 finals in a row from 81-82, finally halted in the fourth round of RG by Wilander en route to his first Slam title. :p

Well, my fire is still in flames. Wait for USopen this year and when Federer breaks Lendl's record, maybe I will be pouring water on your fire....

PaulieM
04-01-2006, 05:43 PM
Ok, so I am going to make a short list of streaks Federer is having right now, dont know if they are records or not, feel free to add information:

25-1 so far this year
10 straight finals (soon 11?)
12 straight semifinals
23 straight quater finals
45 straight matches in north america
21 straight master series matches won

If he wins one more match in Miami it will be the best start of the year to this date in the open era (the best is currently Agassi 2001 425 points).

Federer is sure to be nr1 until wimbledon, which means another 21 weeks as nr1. He has thereby secured to have 126 straight weeks as nr1. Not a record, but still impressive.

you can add another current streak: 25 straight against americans :)

SUKTUEN
04-02-2006, 02:55 PM
I hope Roger can broke the record of 83-3

makro120
04-03-2006, 12:23 AM
10 master series, that is worth celebrating!

RogiFan88
04-03-2006, 02:25 AM
The DOUBLE DOUBLE, yet another record made by ROGI! ;)

PaulieM
04-03-2006, 02:35 AM
i think i read somewhere that he's also the first to win 4 masters series in a row. :)

RogiFan88
04-03-2006, 02:43 AM
4 TMSes in a row?? no comprendo, Paulie...

Sjengster
04-03-2006, 02:46 AM
Well, the first to play and win 4 in a row - his record is rather tainted by the fact that he skipped three in the middle of this winning streak (only one of those was out of choice, of course, but it was a bad choice for you, RF).

PaulieM
04-03-2006, 03:06 AM
Well, the first to play and win 4 in a row - his record is rather tainted by the fact that he skipped three in the middle of this winning streak (only one of those was out of choice, of course, but it was a bad choice for you, RF).
yes this is what i meant. not exactly in a row, but it still counts.:)

Longshot
04-03-2006, 03:07 AM
In terms of winning TMS events in a row, with no gaps, no-one has even done 3 in a row.

Perhaps that will change in MC. :devil:

World Beater
04-03-2006, 03:50 AM
lets go roger, lets go!

stebs
04-03-2006, 11:18 AM
He also maintains the 11 match wins between defeats record...
Yes. I noticed too. :)

stebs
04-03-2006, 11:26 AM
By reaching the final of Miami Federer kept up this ridiculous run.

Since his August '04 defeat to Tomas Berdych at the Athens Olympics he has won at least 11 straight matches before every defeat. His full record is as follows:-

Slams = Blue
Masters = Green


US OPEN '04 - winner 7 matches and counting
Bangkok - winner 12 matches and counting
Masters Cup - winner 17 matches and counting
Doha - winner 22 matches and counting
Australian Open - Semi Finals - run snapped by SAFIN after 27 matches

Rotterdam - winner 5 matches and counting
Dubai - winner 10 matches and counting
Indian Wells - winner 16 matches and counting
Miami - winner 22 matches and counting
Monte Carlo - Quarter finals - run snapped by GASQUET after 25 matches

Hamburg - winner 6 matches and counting
Roland Garros - Semi Finals - run snapped by NADAL after 11 matches

Halle - winner 5 matches and counting
Wimbledon - winner 12 matches and counting
Cincinnati - winner 18 matches and counting
US Open - winner 25 matches and counting
Davis Cup match - winner 26 matches and counting
Bangkok - winner 31 matches and counting
Masters Cup - runner up - run snapped by NALBANDIAN after 35 matches

Doha - winner 5 matches and counting
Australian Open - winner 12 matches and counting
Dubai - runner up - run snapped by NADAL after 16 matches

Indian Wells - winner 6 matches and counting
Miami - winner 12 matches and counting



I hope to add Monte Carlo to the list and leave Roger with 18 matches and counting. It will be tough for Roger to continue this streak in the clay season. He only just managed it last year by winning Hamburg and then reaching RG semis.

If you take clay tournament out of the mix then his record would be as follows:

Wins - US Open, Bangkok, Masters Cup, Doha and is stopped at 27 Matches
Wins - Rotterdam, Dubai, Indian Wells, Miami, Halle, Wimbledon, Cinciannati, US Open, Bangkok and is stopped at 57 Matches
Wins - Doha, Australian Open and is stopped at 16 Matches
Wins - Indian Wells, Miami...

stebs
04-03-2006, 11:38 AM
Roger hasn't lost in straight sets on hard court since Rafa beat him 3 and 3 in Miami '04. Over 2 years :eek:

Roger hasn't lost a 5 set match off clay in straight sets since Mirnyi beat him at the US Open. That's 3 and a half years.

SUKTUEN
04-03-2006, 05:28 PM
How Wonderful he is~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rogiman
04-03-2006, 07:15 PM
NYCtennisfan, how many weeks is Roger guaranteed of staying at #1 now?
:aplot:

Longshot
04-03-2006, 08:00 PM
I think Roger is now safe from Rafa until after Wimbledon, which would see him #1 for 128 weeks.

nobama
04-07-2006, 02:21 PM
So if Roger were to win all the slams this year (I don't think he will), would that be a first for someone to win a non-calendar grand slam and a calendar slam?

SUKTUEN
04-08-2006, 07:03 AM
he is 108 weeks now

makro120
04-22-2006, 05:08 PM
FEDERER is on his 12 straight final equaling Mcenroe's open era record!

He has 29 straight games won in master series events. He may win his 5th straight master series event.

Also, for all those who doesnt count Federer as a great clay court player, he is now among the few players who have been to the final in all clay tms events. All that is left is RG......

This will be the most important match of the year for Federer.....

Longshot
04-22-2006, 06:41 PM
FEDERER is on his 12 straight final equaling Mcenroe's open era record!
He has certainly equalled McEnroe, but Lendl holds the open era record with 18 :eek: consecutive finals.
This will be the most important match of the year for Federer.....
No doubt about that! (Although you could say the AO Final beats it...)

nobama
04-22-2006, 07:04 PM
This will be the most important match of the year for Federer.....Um, no winning a grand slam is more important than a TMS event.

PaulieM
04-22-2006, 07:07 PM
Um, no winning a grand slam is more important than a TMS event.
i think he might have been referring to a final at RG being the most important match of year for roger if he were to get there. :unsure: not sure though.:shrug:

makro120
04-22-2006, 08:02 PM
Ao is more important than MC, but this particular match is sooo important to how the rest of the clay season turns out for Federer and how his results will be when facing Nadal in RG final. RG will be the tournament which will put Federer up there with the legends. This clay season is the most important event for Federer's career since he defeated all the top players and his nemesis in TMS 2004!

Rogiman
04-22-2006, 08:04 PM
5th clay TMS final, now he's made the final of all 3, he's right up there with the best of them ;)

Dirk
04-22-2006, 08:18 PM
5th clay TMS final, now he's made the final of all 3, he's right up there with the best of them ;)

EVen the HATAS can't deny his greatness on clay now. I can't imagine what will happen in the GM if he wins it. :)

Rogiman
04-22-2006, 08:22 PM
EVen the HATAS can't deny his greatness on clay now. I can't imagine what will happen in the GM if he wins it. :)
Obviously there's absolutely no reason to dislike him, and I'm confident 10 years from now people like Jogy will post in the "question for the older guys here" they were honored to witness such greatness" ;)

Dirk
04-22-2006, 08:31 PM
No Jogy will be bitter Hasshole didn't win a slam. :) Roger seems like an animal on clay here and I hope he keeps it up for Rome. I know he can beat Nadal on clay, I just hope he can do it. MC has been won by all the best clay courters in history.

Longshot
04-22-2006, 08:34 PM
EVen the HATAS can't deny his greatness on clay now. I can't imagine what will happen in the GM if he wins it. :)This --> :explode:

:)

PaulieM
04-22-2006, 08:36 PM
This --> :explode:

:)
and this..."rafa wasn't at his best blah blah blah" :baby:

nobama
04-23-2006, 12:17 AM
and this..."rafa wasn't at his best blah blah blah" :baby:Oh but got forbid one says this about Roger if he looses, then it will all be "you're not giving Rafa enough credit". :bigcry:

SUKTUEN
04-23-2006, 07:22 AM
GO ROGER~!!!!

hope Roger Win RF this year!~!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

BE THE BEST OF THE BEST in tennis history!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

Rogiman
04-23-2006, 06:30 PM
How many weeks at the top is Roger assured of now? ;)

Dirk
04-23-2006, 06:38 PM
How many weeks at the top is Roger assured of now? ;)

After Rome the number will only get higher.

Longshot
04-23-2006, 06:55 PM
It's still until after Wimbledon, simply because Roger has 1000 points to defend and Rafa only 35, so the theoretical turnaround is huge.

Billabong
04-23-2006, 07:03 PM
Rogi has nothing to defend in Rome, 500 points in Hamburg, 450 points in RG, around 200 in Halle and 1000 in Wimbledon... He'll definitely have to play well:scared:!

stebs
04-23-2006, 08:13 PM
Rogi has nothing to defend in Rome, 500 points in Hamburg, 450 points in RG, around 200 in Halle and 1000 in Wimbledon... He'll definitely have to play well:scared:!
I think he can go deep in Rome and then go deep in Hamburg meaning he will more than defend his 500 points. He will then get to the final of RG defending and exceeding his 450 points. He will retain Halle and Wimbledon.

If he wins RG he will have a frightening number of points.

nobama
04-23-2006, 09:34 PM
Rogi has nothing to defend in Rome, 500 points in Hamburg, 450 points in RG, around 200 in Halle and 1000 in Wimbledon... He'll definitely have to play well:scared:!I'm not scared. In fact it makes this loss easier to take knowing in the end Roger increased his lead against the field in the rankings. :cool:

Billabong
04-23-2006, 09:39 PM
I'm not scared. In fact it makes this loss easier to take knowing in the end Roger increased his lead against the field in the rankings. :cool:

Yeah I know;) Nadal also has 1800 points to defend until Wimby... I think he decided to play Queens? Too bad, I would have loved to see them play in Halle;)

NYCtennisfan
04-23-2006, 11:24 PM
How many weeks at the top is Roger assured of now?

Still the same because as Longshot pointed out, Wimby could theoretically have a 2000 points turnaround.

Rogiman
04-23-2006, 11:43 PM
Still the same because as Longshot pointed out, Wimby could theoretically have a 2000 points turnaround.
Thanks, and thank you Longshot.

We all know how much this theory is worth though :devil:

SUKTUEN
04-24-2006, 03:18 AM
nevwe mind~~Come On Roger~!

Daniel
04-26-2006, 02:15 AM
Still the same because as Longshot pointed out, Wimby could theoretically have a 2000 points turnaround.

Thanks.

the_natural
04-30-2006, 03:11 PM
I think the general consesus is that Nadal may not make the RG final because he might burn out temporarily or crumble I mean huge amounts of pressure hes young and winning on clay is "the next borg" (Still has to prove it on grass), hes got that huge winning streak and then theres the pressure of defending his crown and everyone saying hes unbeatable on clay. If he does make the final I think he will get beaten quite convincingly by Federer because I reckon he will be tired from all the grueling matches at RG and the events pre-ceding it, not to take away from Federer but at Nadals current Best form I dont think Federer can yet stop him on clay but at the Finals of RG I think he has his BEST chances because he conserves more energy than nadal and has more weapons blah blah u know the story... Oh I forgot, Federer is f%$#in pissed after losing, He would be the one with the winning streak on clay and RG last year etc, and then he lost Dubai to Nadal so hes gonna get revenge just like he has against Hewitt and Nalbandian and all the guys who beat him when he was younger. Plus hes training hard and got a strong strategy to beat nadal. No more attacking the backhand either cos federer is gonna get him.

And one of these days they are gonna meet on grass... like Wimbledon, cos Rafa will be a lower seed cos of crap Grass results, and then Federer will completley embarass him because the ball will go from being an extremley high shot with heavy topspin to a shot that lands perfectly in his hitting zone.

rofe
04-30-2006, 04:09 PM
It is good to be positive but there is a certain amount of wishful thinking in your post. You are hoping that Nadal will be exhausted on his way to the FO final. Let me remind you that he had the same "punishing" schedule last year. It is possible that he may succumb to the burden of expectations but he hasn't shown that yet.

Roger needs to meet Nadal again in Rome and it needs to be a much closer game than MC. It is ok if Roger loses in Rome but he has to find that opening to exploit Nadal's weakness at FO. He needs to stich together a series of games where he is making Nadal doubt his own game. He needs to win a set or two comfortably.

I did not see that in MC but then MC was Fed's first clay court tournament after spending so much time on HC and he gave an excellent account of himself by reaching the finals.

RogiFan88
04-30-2006, 05:28 PM
Rafa will not burn himself out after learning his lesson the hard way last year.

nobama
04-30-2006, 06:36 PM
Rafa will not burn himself out after learning his lesson the hard way last year.So that's why he has clay events on his schedule after Wimbledon? :confused:

SUKTUEN
05-01-2006, 05:15 AM
I don't want Roger lost Wimby to get RG~~!! :o :o

the_natural
05-04-2006, 05:51 PM
Welll I just dont think Nadal can win another time against Roger at Rolland Garros.... I dunno. I mean Rafa is an all time great on clay, his game is so perfect for it hed beat most anyone in history on it on any single day and yes even Roger Federer. BUT I dunno, see at MC Rafa started gettin nervous and let that second set slip away, he actually was close to having a very convincing win over Federer but he got nervous and federer tasted that and lifted his game. Now in the Finals of Rolland Garros it will be Maginfied 10 fold. Heck throughout all of the second week of RG it will be magnified greatly... he is a champion yes, but he is a kid, he has A WORLD OF EXPECTATIONS on his shoulder, he has one heck of a title to defend at RG and may have to defend his clay court winning streak should it still be alive... come on?? Honestly?? Can he do it? If he does even make the finals, I think he more than deserves it. Not to down Roger, but I think the pressure is equal to what Roger has to "NEVER LOSE ON GRASS". And I just think this is rogers year, hes got the 3 GS's behind him and may be inspired by that and his losses.

Roger seems like a guy who takes it personally and will Whoop your a%% if u ever beat him on a tennis court. Oh and of course after the french open theres no one to beat Federer at the USO, and SURE AS HELL is nobody who can touch him at wimbledon. So its career GS this year

the_natural
05-04-2006, 05:51 PM
Sorry CALENDAR AND CAREER GS this year

SUKTUEN
05-05-2006, 06:29 AM
if roger can win RG, He will be The Most Great Tennis Player in the history

NYCtennisfan
05-05-2006, 06:50 AM
So that's why he has clay events on his schedule after Wimbledon?

Winning 2 and 3 in an hour is not going to burn him out. ;)

As for getting nervous during the end of the MC match, yes, he was nervous at the end of a match for the first time in a long while. He was really pressing and Federer missed a lot of opportunities to take that match to a fifth and who knows what would've happened.

As for the pressure getting to Nadal, I really don't think that will happen. He has the perfect anti-pressure game (especially on clay) because he plays such low-risk tennis that it is almost impossible for him to have a "bad" day where he sprays the ball everywhere like Nalbandian or Safin seemingly in every loss. He just defends, getts balls back and wears you down.

SUKTUEN
05-05-2006, 07:00 AM
I hope the pressure will be in Nadal side , because he need to keep his ATP ranking

nobama
05-05-2006, 12:43 PM
Winning 2 and 3 in an hour is not going to burn him out. ;)It might not burn him out but I don't see it as great preparation for HC. Plus last year by the time he got to Cincy he was burned out and his team admitted it wasn't the right preparation for the US Open. Of course he hasn't played as much this year so far. But I don't understand why he doesn't play some of the US Open Series events instead.

As for the pressure getting to Nadal, I really don't think that will happen. He has the perfect anti-pressure game (especially on clay) because he plays such low-risk tennis that it is almost impossible for him to have a "bad" day where he sprays the ball everywhere like Nalbandian or Safin seemingly in every loss. He just defends, getts balls back and wears you down.That's why I'm not a fan of his game. It's basically just running every ball down and waiting for his opponent to make errors. It's just defense, defense, defense. Sure it's impressive some of the balls he's able to get back, but his game doesn't "wow" me like others do.

Rogiman
05-05-2006, 02:03 PM
That's why I'm not a fan of his game. It's basically just running every ball down and waiting for his opponent to make errors. It's just defense, defense, defense. Sure it's impressive some of the balls he's able to get back, but his game doesn't "wow" me like others do.I want to hear someone swear he is seriously "wowed" by this kind of game, I would then give him my shrink's number to figure out at what stage of his evolution he was so totally fucked up.

RogiFan88
05-05-2006, 03:54 PM
Winning 2 and 3 in an hour is not going to burn him out. ;)

As for getting nervous during the end of the MC match, yes, he was nervous at the end of a match for the first time in a long while. He was really pressing and Federer missed a lot of opportunities to take that match to a fifth and who knows what would've happened.

As for the pressure getting to Nadal, I really don't think that will happen. He has the perfect anti-pressure game (especially on clay) because he plays such low-risk tennis that it is almost impossible for him to have a "bad" day where he sprays the ball everywhere like Nalbandian or Safin seemingly in every loss. He just defends, getts balls back and wears you down.

Rafa thrives on pressure, unlike the majority of players. He is an anomaly at his age, of the "child prodigy" type, not unlike Borg [altho HE will forever be one of THE very best EVER]. And whenever Rafa sees Rogi across the net, he has to be smiling inside. One thing I noticed in that MC final [for the less than half of the match that we got] was that Rafa was toning down his Vamos! somewhat vs. Rogi. Another thing I noticed was that Rafa was yelping a lot, which I've never heard fr him before. Funny, he was like a little puppy, mostly yelping when he missed shots.

One of the things I like about clay tennis is how the very best DO play low-risk tennis, hitting those lines. And yes, it is quite defensive tennis, not just fr Rafa. But my fave guy to watch on clay is Gaudio -- he makes clay tennis look beautiful and he is so easy on the eye [I don't care if he gets mad or seems to "tank" -- it's just his perfectionism -- he said he prefers to play perfect tennis than to win, so that is your explanation!!:haha:]. Nalby is another one to watch on clay, so relaxed [perhaps too much -- he said tennis isn't everything to him, not obsessed about becoming No 1 one day]. Also when Juanqui is on, he's great to watch also!

But I also love to watch Rogi on clay, always have, esp when he won his first TMS Hamburg02, beating Marat. ;)

SUKTUEN
05-06-2006, 06:24 AM
Hope Roger Good Luck in this time!!

the_natural
05-07-2006, 02:00 PM
Well Tennis is mostly about making your opponent create the errors, its not about getting the winners. Thats what seperates the all time legends from the very best competition they have, The Legends are the exception that prove the rule, they WIN matches and have outstanding winner to unforced error numbers and win Tennis AGAINST the book so to speak. A counter puncher is usually the death of a power player (I mild Wild power) because of that rule of winning by your opponents errors unforced and forced. Which is Why someone like Roger comes along and doesnt make sense and Draws all the attention (And wins most of the time). Now im goin in circles but You know what im sayin, it may not be interesting to watch but those who win by defense defense defense are the ones playing the game the "right" and the "Safe way", where as someone like Federer Plays it by mixing high risk tennis with safe tennis and do so to perfection. Ok ive gone in circles but you get the point.

And yes Roger Federer will win all 4 Grandslams this year, there is ONLY one man who can stop him from winning FOUR, and thats Rafael Nadal ON CLAY AT RG. Yeh Not likely, great guy but the odds are in Rogers favour hes too good for anyone else on any other surface right now.

Oh and Who cares about reaching 18 Consecutive finals?? Why make Records which can be made and even broken by some guy who plays on one surface and only plays the events which most of the big guns skip. If someone wanted to break the record INTENTIONALLY, they would do this. I think the smartest thing for Roger to do is to LOSE an event, go in not aiming to win he goes into every event to win it, but the greats are meant to lose in the less important events so it keeps them grounded and makes them look human which helps eleviate pressure. Its incredibly difficult to move into a new season (Rebound ace/hardcourt-Clay-grass-harcourts and indoors) And expect to win every event you undertake on the new surface, you play those events to keep your ranking up but also to get you into the groove of playing on those surfaces.

SUKTUEN
05-08-2006, 06:26 AM
thanks your share