Nicolas Kiefer def Juan Carlos Ferrero: 6 - 3, 6 - 2, 5 - 7, 6 - 2 [Archive] - MensTennisForums.com

Nicolas Kiefer def Juan Carlos Ferrero: 6 - 3, 6 - 2, 5 - 7, 6 - 2

Bolar Bolabi
01-21-2006, 07:54 AM
Comfortable win for Kiefer who has an injury.

I fancy his chances next round against Chela.

hablovah19
01-21-2006, 07:55 AM
:mad: I don't like this Kiefer character!!! :rolleyes:

Leo
01-21-2006, 07:55 AM
Kiefer acts like the biggest jerk on the court.

Meanwhile, good performance from Ferrero and he needs to work on his transition game to finish off points (stop hesitating!) and also stay healthy. I think he'll make it back into the Top 10 this year.

-sOfia-
01-21-2006, 07:56 AM
What was the drama about? What exactly did Kiefer say and whats wrong with JCF?

Bolar Bolabi
01-21-2006, 07:57 AM
I'm wondering the same thing Sofia :confused:

Scotso
01-21-2006, 07:57 AM
Kiefer clearly called Ferrero a "fucking prick" to his face, and then said other things I couldn't make out.

Kiefer is one of the biggest assholes ever.

Chloe le Bopper
01-21-2006, 07:58 AM
:sad:

Neely
01-21-2006, 08:00 AM
Very good defensive and fighting effort from Kiwi :D :D
he didn't play well but retrieved a lot of shots and used Ferreros errors

even Ferrero's attempt to disrupt Kiefer's rhythm by calling the trainer was not enough this time, good work Kiwi, three -by scoreline- impressive sets. :yeah:

Haute
01-21-2006, 08:02 AM
This just about makes Kiefer as bad as Stephanek. There was no reason for him to be such an ass on court. Okay, the mental aspect is a part of the game, but to start getting in someone's face for no reason? That's not a mental thing, that's just being an ass.

Oh well, Chela will bludgeon him in the next round. :angel: Maybe spit on him. :lol:

PahelWaske
01-21-2006, 08:03 AM
Kiefer clearly called Ferrero a "fucking prick" to his face, and then said other things I couldn't make out.

Kiefer is one of the biggest assholes ever.



JCF sweared an extreme lot either. No clue if Kiwi understood it though :wavey:

yomike
01-21-2006, 08:03 AM
I'm hoping JC is going to skip the indoor season and instead play the clay events this year.

Kiefer clearly called Ferrero a "fucking prick" to his face, and then said other things I couldn't make out.
Let him , anyway we won't see his name in any GS trophy or the number one spot ever.
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GonzoFan
01-21-2006, 08:04 AM
Ferrero :sad:
I'm so sad for him ...

Bolar Bolabi
01-21-2006, 08:05 AM
Woah.

Big outburst from Kiefer.

Haute
01-21-2006, 08:05 AM
I'm hoping JC is going to skip the indoor season and instead play the clay events this year.


Let him , anyway we won't see his name in any GS trophy or the number one spot ever.
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So far he's going to play Costa du Sauipe and Buenos Aires. :)

mangoes
01-21-2006, 08:06 AM
I am so sorry that JCF didn't win especially after witnessing Keifer's antics..............what a jackass Keifer is!!!

knight_ley
01-21-2006, 08:06 AM
:bounce: AUF GEHTS KIWI !!!!!!!!! :bounce:

great playing by Kiwi!

:woohoo:

mangoes
01-21-2006, 08:07 AM
Kiefer clearly called Ferrero a "fucking prick" to his face, and then said other things I couldn't make out.

Kiefer is one of the biggest assholes ever.


I think it was pu**y.

savesthedizzle
01-21-2006, 08:07 AM
Guys, it is not news to anyone that Kiefer is an ass on the court, lol. This is not the first time or the last.

But good luck to Chela :p

knight_ley
01-21-2006, 08:09 AM
I think it was pu**y.

Yes thanks to Brad Gilbert's replay I def think it was that one.

Scotso
01-21-2006, 08:09 AM
Well, I hope he's fined for it.

Corey Feldman
01-21-2006, 08:14 AM
I think it was pu**y.Whats wrong with calling someone a puppy? :p
anyways, wd Kiwi.. keep your usual mind games up.

Jogy
01-21-2006, 08:16 AM
Very good work from Kiefer to beat this assjerk Ferrero who think he can alwayss win with gamemanship tactics calling the trainer when he is in trouble, Ferrero is clearly the asshole among Spain players; Nadal, Ferrer or Moya would not do that never

I think I was dreaming when I saw that, called the trainer for fun to interrupt play when Kiefer was near to break
good that Kiefer has breaked the game still

yomike
01-21-2006, 08:23 AM
Anyway I will enjoy the Chela drubbing Kiefer will get in the next round. Hopefully Haas will beat Federer then lose to Chela in semis and Chela losing to Nalbandian in the final.
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Haute
01-21-2006, 08:24 AM
Whats wrong with calling someone a puppy? :p
anyways, wd Kiwi.. keep your usual mind games up.

That reminds me of a Friends episode. :p "I'm going to replace a word he used a lot with 'puppy.' He said that if my 'puppy' friend doesn't get her 'puppy' act together I'm going to fire her mother 'puppy' ass. :lol:

Haute
01-21-2006, 08:27 AM
Very good work from Kiefer to beat this assjerk Ferrero who think he can alwayss win with gamemanship tactics calling the trainer when he is in trouble, Ferrero is clearly the asshole among Spain players; Nadal, Ferrer or Moya would not do that never

I think I was dreaming when I saw that, called the trainer for fun to interrupt play when Kiefer was near to break
good that Kiefer has breaked the game still

JC recently had a stomach muscle strain. Have you ever pulled a stomach muscle before? It's not a great feeling at all. And if JC did do it on purpose, so what? Kiefer started it first with choice words that were totally uncalled for.

Bj÷rki
01-21-2006, 08:27 AM
well done Kiwi

Jogy
01-21-2006, 08:32 AM
JC recently had a stomach muscle strain. Have you ever pulled a stomach muscle before? It's not a great feeling at all. And if JC did do it on purpose, so what? Kiefer started it first with choice words that were totally uncalled for.
The thing is Ferrero always does that when he is in trouble. Sure, he must call the trainer when he is down breakpoint or the fourth deuce in a game of his own facing defeat. Believe what you want :lol: A lame try by Ferrero to make Kiefer choking lead :o

rrfnpump
01-21-2006, 08:42 AM
Kiwi :D :yeah:
nice regroup after that choke in the third
but his on-court behaviour is unacceptable :(

Juan Carlos :(
he also had some strange behaviour going on on court

AAleksander
01-21-2006, 08:53 AM
Why is Keifer called Kiwi, a New Zealander? Get a new nickname and a new attitude with it.

JMG
01-21-2006, 09:02 AM
Well, I hope he's fined for it.

Softy. :rolleyes:
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Well done Kiefer! :D He moved a bit better today, so I think we can be hopeful for the next match. imo Chela is easier to beat than Grosjean. Looks like a 4-setter to me, but of course he made all his QFs years ago, so I'm not sure if he will win.

Ferrero Forever
01-21-2006, 09:03 AM
Well Ferrero did nothing that's against the rules, quite a lot of the players seem to call the trainer when things get tough. I think the rule does need to be changed, as it isn't fair to the player who's winning. I've never heard about Kiefer being an asshole on court. What did Ferrero do that made Kiefer call him a prick? Thanks a lot to Channel 7 for not showing us what would have been at least a funny match up, instead we got the Coria-Grosjean replay. I really thought Ferrero would win this one, so I'm disappointed but at least he didn't lose any points and at least he did better than Lleyton Hewitt

Saturn66
01-21-2006, 09:11 AM
I'm happy Kiefer won.

roisin
01-21-2006, 09:19 AM
Totally gutted :sad: And I didn't see the match so what happened with Kiefer la jackass? What made him angry?

But go Chela now :bounce:

Ferrero Forever
01-21-2006, 09:22 AM
yeah sounds like we're in the same position. I'm cheering for Tommy Robredo to win this thing now, but seriously I love Chela now, he's hot, theres something great about his game, he beat Hewitt, what isn't there to love (beside the spitting)

juanqui.ferrero
01-21-2006, 10:49 AM
I'm cheering for Tommy too, but I'd like to know what was the matter with JC and Nicolas...

Federerthebest
01-21-2006, 10:56 AM
ferrero fans need to stop whining. what is he, 11 years old - he can't handle a bit of trash-talking?

Anyway I will enjoy the Chela drubbing Kiefer will get in the next round.

yeah right, criticise kiefer for throwing a few schoolyard taunts at ferrero, and support chela despite the fact that he is (or was) a doper, who spits at his opponents. :retard:

JMG
01-21-2006, 11:05 AM
imo the biggest reason for Kiefer's win was his serve. He won 87% on first serve with an average of 201km/h, while Ferrero's first serves were returnable most of the time.

Luna
01-21-2006, 11:19 AM
The thing is Ferrero always does that when he is in trouble. Sure, he must call the trainer when he is down breakpoint or the fourth deuce in a game of his own facing defeat. Believe what you want :lol: A lame try by Ferrero to make Kiefer choking lead :o

Do you know that in Ferrero's 2nd round after calling trainer he lost 7 serve/return games in a row.I advise "non-injuried" him to call the trainer at when he faced the first bp in set 4 or the time kiefer will finish the match off in little point insead of when he was serving at 40-40. :rolleyes:

And,go Chela! :angel:

rosespower
01-21-2006, 12:32 PM
i'm 50-50 happy!! good luck kiefer!

Fergie
01-21-2006, 12:42 PM
Juanqui :sad:

Aleksa's Laydee
01-21-2006, 12:54 PM
:eek: shocking in my opinion

kfh_9118
01-21-2006, 12:57 PM
glad kiwi won ;)

Good luck next round against Chela, Kiwi :bounce:

amierin
01-21-2006, 01:39 PM
I was surprised Kiefer won this one. Wonder how the Spanish press is going to treat this loss after Juan Carlos talked so much sh** about their coverage of Nadal to the detriment of other Spanish players.

ReturnWinner
01-21-2006, 02:14 PM
well done Nicolas :)

Jimnik
01-21-2006, 02:30 PM
I have to hand it to Kiefer. He served very well and took advantage of the indoor conditions. In the end, there wasn't much in it. Kiefer won one of his break point chances, in the 4th set, and JC didn't so it all comes down to who can take their chances.

I think JC lost a little bit of patience after Kiefer broke him in the 4th and it cost him. Having said that, if he could have found a way to hold his serve at 2-4 he might have found a way back. But ultimately, Kiefer was always going to have the advantage under the closed roof.

mandoura
01-21-2006, 02:45 PM
:sad: :sad: :sad: Juanqui.

Jennay
01-21-2006, 03:36 PM
Juanqui :sad: :sad:

Alexiana
01-21-2006, 03:44 PM
Kiwi :bigclap: great win. Now he has all chances to defeat Chela. It's gonna be a tough match though. Good luck Kiwi :cool:

Lynne
01-21-2006, 04:01 PM
I hope Juanqui will bounce back from this loss and do well in other tournaments! :)

Neely
01-21-2006, 04:45 PM
It looked like Kiefer had a few nasty words for Ferrero in this 7th game of the fourth set (in that Ferrero tried to take his timeout). I couldn't understand what he said because the crowd was still applauding after the point. I think it was because the point before Ferrero had suddenly a strange excessive groan while clearing an easy forehand from halfcourt and Kiefer maybe felt challenged by that in this important situation and a Kiefer on fire is for sure not the one who will bow down to that and dishes out himself. Overall not a big thing. The rest before Kiefer was swearing at himself about his game, that had absolutely nothing to do with Ferrero.

uNIVERSE mAN
01-21-2006, 04:48 PM
Kiefer clearly called Ferrero a "fucking prick" to his face, and then said other things I couldn't make out.

Kiefer is one of the biggest assholes ever.

I think he meant "you're playing like a fucking prick!"

PaulieM
01-21-2006, 04:50 PM
whoa a lot kiefer hate:tape:
i only saw the first 2 sets and kiefer played great in those, not a fan but congrats anyway. :)

PaulieM
01-21-2006, 04:51 PM
Oh well, Chela will bludgeon him in the next round. :angel: Maybe spit on him. :lol:
:haha:

shotgun
01-21-2006, 04:56 PM
I don't know what happened there but I definitely prefer a player who comes out and yells at his opponent (afterall he's just being honest and letting his emotions out) than a player who gets behind the rules to use dirty tactics as calling the trainer and faking injuries to mine the concentration of the opponent. ;)

celia
01-21-2006, 05:02 PM
what an exciting match! i enjoyed every minute. but i wish the commentators would have shut the hell up about Nicolas' comments. his griping and cussing is part of what fired up Juanqui to give him a good battle. the result was one terrific match. :D

Leo
01-21-2006, 05:04 PM
JCF sweared an extreme lot either. No clue if Kiwi understood it though :wavey:

No, Ferrero never opened his mouth or said anything to Kiefer.

Kiefer's just an ass and he feels he needs to trash-talk to win. I can't say it's not pathetic.

Leo
01-21-2006, 05:06 PM
I'm hoping JC is going to skip the indoor season and instead play the clay events this year.



I disagree. For the most part, his results have been better on hard courts the past couple of years. I'm afraid his clay court game has dipped more significantly.

Alexiana
01-21-2006, 05:17 PM
whats a prick by the way? :rolleyes:

ReturnWinner
01-21-2006, 05:23 PM
according to the stats nicolas served pretty well

was the match played indoor? if so then it was big factor in the score

I♥PsY@Mus!c
01-21-2006, 05:26 PM
Juanqui :awww:
I don't like Kiwi's behaviour,but congrats to him! :)

Leo
01-21-2006, 05:49 PM
Yes, it was indoors. And that was crucial for Kiefer's serve.

Neely
01-21-2006, 06:09 PM
whats a prick by the way? :rolleyes:
We would most likely translate that by Depp, Vollidiot into German. Sometimes it can also mean Schwanz, depending on the context of course! ;)

Alexiana
01-21-2006, 07:17 PM
We would most likely translate that by Depp, Vollidiot into German. Sometimes it can also mean Schwanz, depending on the context of course! ;)

ok, thanks Neely. :wavey:
Was is daran so schlimm? Kiwi is halt ein kleiner Hei▀sporn :lol:

Duncan
01-21-2006, 07:34 PM
Kiefer is the biggest jerk on the mens tour

Hope Chela hammers him in the next round... literally!

Mount Goddess
01-21-2006, 09:33 PM
ferrero fans need to stop whining. what is he, 11 years old - he can't handle a bit of trash-talking?
It's not whining or acting like a 11 year old, what Keifer did was rude and disresepectful whether he had done it to Juan Carlos or any other player.
In football these days a player can get done for what he did today, so he should just watch himself.

Jogg
01-21-2006, 09:47 PM
It's not whining or acting like a 11 year old, what Keifer did was rude and disresepectful whether he had done it to Juan Carlos or any other player.
In football these days a player can get done for what he did today, so he should just watch himself.

yeah totally agree Leigh i dont see why any player should have to put up with that

World Beater
01-21-2006, 09:53 PM
:haha: :haha:

nothing compared to the crap that comes out of roddick's mouth

World Beater
01-21-2006, 09:54 PM
kiefer must be on the roids.

he hit a 137mph serve.. and a 135...ive never seen him serve so huge

musefanatic
01-21-2006, 09:54 PM
Oh poor ferrero :sad:

ReturnWinner
01-21-2006, 10:00 PM
he has always had a big serve he hit several ones at more than 140 mph
kiefer must be on the roids.

he hit a 137mph serve.. and a 135...ive never seen him serve so huge

Fedex
01-21-2006, 10:06 PM
Kiefer clearly called Ferrero a "fucking prick" to his face, and then said other things I couldn't make out.

Kiefer is one of the biggest assholes ever.
:rolleyes: That's a total lack of class on Kiefer's part. Even Hewitt probably woulden't do that.
I would like to see if Kiefer has enough balls to call Mirnyi a 'fucking prick' to his face. :lol: I dont even know if they've ever played each other. I'd bet money on it, if that was a proposition bet.

Fedex
01-21-2006, 10:07 PM
he has always had a big serve he hit several ones at more than 140 mph
I dont know about that.

almouchie
01-21-2006, 10:09 PM
i agree with Leo JCF form has dipped inthe past 2 years & I was surprised a bit last year to see Nadal beating him comfortably on clay. i think its more confidence than anything because JCF has all the weapons to succeed

roisin
01-21-2006, 10:15 PM
i agree with Leo JCF form has dipped inthe past 2 years & I was surprised a bit last year to see Nadal beating him comfortably on clay. i think its more confidence than anything because JCF has all the weapons to succeed
If only you could buy confidence....he'd probably be sorted :sad:

Duncan
01-21-2006, 10:26 PM
Eurosport commentators were full of praise for Juan Carlos, on the other hand they were very dissapointed in Kiefer's antics. I don't like Chela much but i know i'll be supporting him in the next round!

Kiefer had the fist pumps and the shouting shit going on at every opportunity. I have no problem with players who do that when they do something good like hit a winner but when the other player makes an error and you start doing it you deserve a kicking in my books

Mount Goddess
01-21-2006, 10:28 PM
It looks like Kiefer didn't even say that to Ferrero and was just swearing "you fucking prick" at himself, you probably didn't even understand a word what he said. And you should watch yourself and Ferrero. Ferrero has quite his own well-known history of gamesmanship ;)

Why wouldn't I understand a word of what he said? I talk English!!!!
Keifer does it everytime he plays and I just feel it spoils the game and gets peoples backs up.

Neely
01-21-2006, 10:33 PM
Why wouldn't I understand a word of what he said? I talk English!!!!Keifer does it everytime he plays and I just feel it spoils the game and gets peoples backs up.
Relax, I've seen much worse things already, Ferrero is no angel either and has his own history of playing "dirty games". Kiefer sent a few angry looks over to Ferrero in this match, but after watching the scene a few times carefully I believe Kiefer didn't even mean to address Ferrero by this swearing, but meant himself because his ball was too short that Ferrero could clear easily which was another wasted chance for Kiefer at that time.

JMG
01-21-2006, 10:36 PM
I don't even think there was a "fight" between the players. You guys overreact a bit. It was just a normal match.

Lee
01-21-2006, 10:40 PM
Eurosport commentators were full of praise for Juan Carlos, on the other hand they were very dissapointed in Kiefer's antics. I don't like Chela much but i know i'll be supporting him in the next round!

Kiefer had the fist pumps and the shouting shit going on at every opportunity. I have no problem with players who do that when they do something good like hit a winner but when the other player makes an error and you start doing it you deserve a kicking in my books

All the fist pumps and shouting I saw from Kiefer were when he hit a winner or forced error from Ferrero. :shrug:

I won't defend him of the words he sent over the net though.

Fedex
01-21-2006, 11:16 PM
i agree with Leo JCF form has dipped inthe past 2 years & I was surprised a bit last year to see Nadal beating him comfortably on clay. i think its more confidence than anything because JCF has all the weapons to succeed
Very true.

lalaland
01-22-2006, 02:15 AM
Kiefer acts like an ass, no doubt about it. I like Kiwi, but I don't like his antic and yelling fouls directly to his opponent. But he won the match with great play, that's no question too. I hope he gets deep into the tournament since he is really playing well.

I also don't think Juan Carlos is affected by Kiwi's antic. In fact, I'm a little disappointed that he is not more fire up by Kiwi's yelling and in-your-face attitude. He's just not playing as aggressive and confident as his opponent, I think he knows that and get frustrated. He has a long way to go to get back to the top. But as long as he is trying hard, which he is according to PMac who said he is very committed to get back to the top, I'm happy. And good luck to him in his next tournament.