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Guillermo Coria with 23 double faults

RickDaStick
01-21-2006, 02:50 AM
Coria 0 Aces 23 Double Faults. WOW.

Jimnik
01-21-2006, 02:51 AM
He's really struggling. He's also got some sort of cramp on his left hand. It really is very hot out there - temperature has reached 40 C.

adee-gee
01-21-2006, 02:52 AM
He can't hold his racket. Although he was double faulting before this injury.

federated
01-21-2006, 02:53 AM
poor guillermo.

artlinkletter
01-21-2006, 02:53 AM
I feel really bad for him:(

adee-gee
01-21-2006, 02:55 AM
23 now.

Jimnik
01-21-2006, 02:56 AM
Have to admire him. He's still fighting...

RickDaStick
01-21-2006, 02:57 AM
I wish the match would of been a long 5 setter so Guillermo could break the double faults record, maybe someother day.

artlinkletter
01-21-2006, 02:58 AM
What is the record btw?

adee-gee
01-21-2006, 03:01 AM
Guille broke, so he gets another service game!

RickDaStick
01-21-2006, 03:01 AM
What is the record btw?

Not sure although i do remember Kournikova a few years back having 31 and still winning. Also, last year at shanghai Coria had a match where he only put in 47 % of his SECOND serves.

ReturnWinner
01-21-2006, 03:16 AM
his serve is the worst i have ever seen
he just put his serve on the court, his average first serve speed is less than 90 mph, its pathetic


btw he sets up his personal record for double faults

Mistaflava
01-21-2006, 03:17 AM
he is a journeyman for life...

PaulieM
01-21-2006, 03:44 AM
:sad: guille :hug:

robinhood
01-21-2006, 04:02 AM
Oh my...
So he lost a whole set on double faults.
I hope he can recover quickly.

Hola Mr. SK
01-21-2006, 04:52 AM
awesome :worship:

Ferrero Forever
01-21-2006, 04:56 AM
no suprise, the heat here is horrible. I would have walked off court. I haven't left my house today, but it's really boiling here

purple_star
01-21-2006, 06:52 AM
oh guille... :bigcry: :hug:
please, enough with the df's ...

gsm
01-21-2006, 09:47 AM
having seen the match today i would make the conclusion that his serving action was not effected by injury.

some of coria's previous DF highlights that i know of;

commited
- 20 DF's verse massu @ 96 olympics
- 14 DF's verse ginepri @ 05 USO
- 12 DF's verse t.johansson @ 05 china open
- 14 DF's verse fed @ 05 YEC

i must give credit to coria today though, he wasnt letting his DF's get the better of him, was putting in a heap of effort in the rallys and fought hard to the end.

williaer
01-21-2006, 10:07 AM
i was there at the match today (in fact, i was holding the umbrella for him on changeovers) and he was just playing shocking. the crowd was just laughing when he DF'd because the tally was just ridiculous. it's a wonder he can be ranked so high with a serve that shit.

Generator
01-21-2006, 10:38 AM
(in fact, i was holding the umbrella for him on changeovers)

Brown noser :devil:

Federerthebest
01-21-2006, 10:46 AM
this is why argentina has so many players who are dirtballers and have little success on surfaces other than clay. they need to get a coach down there who actually teach people to serve :rolleyes:

TheMightyFed
01-21-2006, 10:46 AM
it's a wonder he can be ranked so high with a serve that shit.
His serve is not shit, his consistency and speed are more of an issue, but the technical key points are there. He would ace you relentlessly I'm affraid.. :)

williaer
01-21-2006, 10:53 AM
His serve is not shit, his consistency and speed are more of an issue, but the technical key points are there. He would ace you relentlessly I'm affraid.. :)

not if he double faults.
consistency is a key factor in a serve and if it isnt there... it can be shit.

and i never said he wouldnt ace me so dont put words in my mouth. thanks.

TheMightyFed
01-21-2006, 11:07 AM
not if he double faults.
consistency is a key factor in a serve and if it isnt there... it can be shit.

and i never said he wouldnt ace me so dont put words in my mouth. thanks.
I was just saying that because to reach his technical level there's been a big amount af work and just saying "it's shit" is not respecting that... and I'm not a fan of Coria, he's been a cheater, a bit like Armstrong... :)

williaer
01-21-2006, 11:18 AM
I was just saying that because to reach his technical level there's been a big amount af work and just saying "it's shit" is not respecting that... and I'm not a fan of Coria, he's been a cheater, a bit like Armstrong... :)
im just saying, it's amazing he's one of the top players when his serve is pretty bad compared to the rest of his game/top players. but in saying that, im also complimenting the rest of his game because that shows that he has other weapons that keep him there at the top of the game.

and your comments on lance... :rolleyes: innocent until proven guilty

Generator
01-21-2006, 12:14 PM
His serve was pretty good before last year's US Open. Remember how he got to two consecutive Masters Series finals and also won a title? But then in Flushing Meadows, and all of a sudden, he started with the double fault crap. That isn't normal.

What Coria needs is a psychologist ASAP.

vincayou
01-21-2006, 12:58 PM
That was a nightmare to watch. :mad: 3 DF in some games. I think that he has had breakpoints against him in almost every of his serve game... His second serve was so weak, grosjean was winning the points too easily.

Oh well, bring on RG.

almouchie
01-21-2006, 01:36 PM
coria has an average serve thou his placement help him a lot
but its clear his hand is bothering him, its uncharacteristic of him to do so many doubles.
he is a percentage player & a great fighter
the heat policy should be changed & made lower than 40c
maybe 35 tops
its ridiculous if u didnt start ur match &temperatures reach 40 +, then they use the heat policy but if while ur playing temp reach 40 +, well tough luck

foul_dwimmerlaik
01-21-2006, 01:56 PM
From the stats on the official site his avg 1st serve speed is *lower* then the average 2nd serve speed (138 to 141 km/h). How's that possible?

Peoples
01-21-2006, 02:50 PM
Why can't the maggot just present an application to join the WTA?

Truc
01-21-2006, 02:54 PM
From the stats on the official site his avg 1st serve speed is *lower* then the average 2nd serve speed (138 to 141 km/h). How's that possible?Yes, I noticed that too. On his 1st serve, he's just trying to get the ball in game and when it doesn't work, he sometimes hits the 2nd serve much quicker, probably because he's so angry, frustrated and doesn't care about making another df. Some of those "angered" 2nd serves were actually good (nearly 190 km/h) and probably bumped up the average speed!
His serve, his service movement, his whole game is completely absurd and devoid of good sense at the moment anyway.

Peoples
01-21-2006, 02:57 PM
His serve, his service movement, his whole game is completely absurd and devoid of good sense anyway.
That's what I'm talking about. ;)

Generator
01-21-2006, 03:47 PM
Why can't the maggot just present an application to join the WTA?

Well, mainly because unlike your idol in your avatar and sig, Coria has actually won something of importance (two Masters Series) and has had more than decent performances at Grand Slams, including one final. Oh, and he's been a top 10 player for years now. He didn't choke at every single opportunity he had to enter that group.


Plop! :sad:

ReturnWinner
01-21-2006, 04:11 PM
at least coria made the third round playing like shit
even he won a set against grosjean who is a top player
whereas gonzalez lost in the first against the 202 ranked in the world

That's what I'm talking about. ;)

sigmagirl91
01-21-2006, 04:13 PM
Well, mainly because unlike your idol in your avatar and sig, Coria has actually won something of importance (two Masters Series) and has had more than decent performances at Grand Slams, including one final. Oh, and he's been a top 10 player for years now. He didn't choke at every single opportunity he had to enter that group.


Plop! :sad:

Ouch! Truth hurts.

Deboogle!.
01-21-2006, 04:22 PM
His serve was pretty good before last year's US Open. Remember how he got to two consecutive Masters Series finals and also won a title? But then in Flushing Meadows, and all of a sudden, he started with the double fault crap. That isn't normal.

What Coria needs is a psychologist ASAP.That's my thought. It's clearly a mental/confidence thing, and it's totally bizarre. They were talking about it on ESPN last night and Brad was just shocked. He started talking about the yips. Guille is far from my fave player, but his stats lately are down right sad. He's better than this and he should do whatever it takes to get through it. It's not like he has a technique problem that breaks down in matches. It's just so bizarre.

shotgun
01-21-2006, 04:40 PM
His serve was OK before. I mean, it's not easy to reach the Round of 16 at Wimbledon when you are only 175 cm high.

Peoples
01-21-2006, 05:21 PM
Ouch! Truth hurts.
No it doesn't. For me a player who plays like shit on a consistant basis isn't worth shit. So what if he has won Masters series. If you're a fan of that kind of players that win by pushing all balls back then I feel sorry for you but I appreciate good style.

Fernando González has nothing to do with Guillermo Coria's 23 double faults, has he?

Generator
01-21-2006, 05:33 PM
Fernando González has nothing to do with Guillermo Coria's 23 double faults, has he?

Neither does the WTA have anything to do with it.

Fight trolling with trolling, some say.


For me a player who plays like shit on a consistant basis isn't worth shit. So what if he has won Masters series. If you're a fan of that kind of players that win by pushing all balls back then I feel sorry for you but I appreciate good style.

What's good style? An amazing winner after 5 or 6 extremely lame unforced errors? Playing like crap any time you can actually achieve something important?

You don't win two Masters Series, reach a GS final or the R16 at Wimbledon just by "pushing balls back". So don't feel sorry for us, we're not the ones with blinders on our eyes.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
01-21-2006, 05:38 PM
Poor Guille :hug:

Peoples
01-21-2006, 05:40 PM
Neither does the WTA have anything to do with it.

Fight trolling with trolling, some say.




What's good style? An amazing winner after 5 or 6 extremely lame unforced errors? Playing like crap any time you can actually achieve something important?

You don't win two Masters Series, reach a GS final or the R16 at Wimbledon just by "pushing balls back". So don't feel sorry for us, we're not the ones with blinders on our eyes.
Explain a Coria fan what's good style? He isn't gonna get it anyway :haha:

WTA has quite a lot to do with Coria, what I said was that he should apply, especially given his serve would be more suited to the women's game. Coria's idol Dementieva does well on women's tour despite her horrible serve, so Guillermo would do OK too.

foul_dwimmerlaik
01-21-2006, 06:02 PM
Explain a Coria fan what's good style? He isn't gonna get it anyway :haha:Big forehand, bigger forehand, HUGE FOREHAND... out.

Yep, that's good style. Whatever floats your boat. :rolleyes:

Peoples
01-21-2006, 06:09 PM
Run, push ball back, run, push ball back, run, push ball back, run, push ball back, argue an obviously correct call, insult his opponent, run, drop shot, double fault, run, take injury timeout, push ball back,...,etc. If that's what you like, enjoy Coria at his best :)

NyGeL
01-21-2006, 06:20 PM
this is why argentina has so many players who are dirtballers and have little success on surfaces other than clay. they need to get a coach down there who actually teach people to serve :rolleyes:

in fact, all this shit started in Coria vs Ginepri USO match. Since then, he is making lots of double faults, but his tennis is great (that's why he beat Ljubicic in Kooyong, made a 5 set match against Ginepri and be close to win, doesn't matter his DF's, same against Grosjean). But before that match, he was serving good, even his first serve was faster than before his shoulder injury).

I think he might need a new psycologhist to improve his serve.

stebs
01-21-2006, 06:29 PM
It was a truly bizarre display of serves by Coria. On one point he hit a first serve which went out which was only 60mph but then followed it up with a second serve of 95mph. What a crazy guy Guille is, but I like his game anyway.

Peoples
01-21-2006, 06:43 PM
Psychologist to improve the serve? :haha::haha::haha:

fabolous
01-21-2006, 06:49 PM
some people(s) seem to be quite frustrated that their own favourite player lost in the first round against a much weaker opponent than grosjean was ;)

ClaycourtaZzZz.
01-21-2006, 06:52 PM
Run, push ball back, run, push ball back, run, push ball back, run, push ball back, argue an obviously correct call, insult his opponent, run, drop shot, double fault, run, take injury timeout, push ball back,...,etc. If that's what you like, enjoy Coria at his best :)
What about going for every shot and miss like 70%?:)
Or serving like an idiot, 2nd serve 210 kmh? Or then running around the BH from deep in the BH side? Sure, it must be that!:yeah: For me Guille has more game than the most of the guys out there.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
01-21-2006, 06:54 PM
some people(s) seem to be quite frustrated that their own favourite player lost in the first round against a much weaker opponent than grosjean was ;)
:haha::haha::haha:
Bogomolov still playing tennis?:scratch::haha:

ClaycourtaZzZz.
01-21-2006, 06:55 PM
Psychologist to improve the serve? :haha::haha::haha:
It's a mental problem. He served really good before, remember those +210 kmh serves in DC?:rolleyes:

nermo
01-21-2006, 07:34 PM
posted by Shortgun blues
His serve was OK before. I mean, it's not easy to reach the Round of 16 at Wimbledon when you are only 175 cm high.

that's exactly what i 'm thinking about,regardless the later tourneys of last season ,Coria wasn't a bad server before. i'm thinking about the reason, it might be this surgery he had last year, but then as far as i remember,he didn't suffer from this problem during Rome's final and Monte carlo for example:scratch: .
there's something not clear about this serving issue, :sad: (and i agree with psychological factor to some extent) but i deeply hope the guy finds out what the problem is and be able to solve it .

And apart from this, i'm happy for Grosjean

Peoples
01-21-2006, 08:21 PM
For me Guille has more game than the most of the guys out there.
Yes, I agree that Coria's game is better than most players out there in top 1000.

lau
01-21-2006, 08:25 PM
Yes, I agree that Coria's game is better than most players out there in top 1000.
Honestly, 50% of your posts I get to read are about Coria :shrug:

Generator
01-21-2006, 08:31 PM
Honestly, 50% of your posts I get to read are about Coria :shrug:

Yes, I've been told it's pathological. This might be the source of the disease:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/headtohead/head2head.asp?player1=Coria%2C+Guillermo&player2=Gonzalez%2C+Fernando&playernum2=G415


:sad:

World Beater
01-21-2006, 09:19 PM
yes...coria and gonzo fans arguing over who needs a psychologist.

lol

hilarious stuff

Fedex
01-21-2006, 09:22 PM
Coria 0 Aces 23 Double Faults. WOW.
This will prompt me to ask what the record number for double faults in a match is? This would be a good 'Tennis trivia' question.

Fedex
01-21-2006, 09:24 PM
this is why argentina has so many players who are dirtballers and have little success on surfaces other than clay. they need to get a coach down there who actually teach people to serve :rolleyes:
Nalbandian doesn't have a great serve, and he certainly isn't a 'dirtballer'.

Fedex
01-21-2006, 09:26 PM
and your comments on lance... :rolleyes: innocent until proven guilty
People will say the same thing about Barry Bonds too. But I'd still believe Lance over him anyday.

ClaycourtaZzZz.
01-21-2006, 09:28 PM
yes...coria and gonzo fans arguing over who needs a psychologist.

lol

hilarious stuff


:haha: nailed

stebs
01-21-2006, 09:38 PM
This will prompt me to ask what the record number for double faults in a match is? This would be a good 'Tennis trivia' question.

Kournikova served up 31 doubles in '99 but still won the match. I can't find any stats for the male record.

Fedex
01-21-2006, 10:09 PM
Kournikova served up 31 doubles in '99 but still won the match. I can't find any stats for the male record.
I will try to look up the male record. I'm sure I can find it somewhere. If not, I'm sure GWH knows the answer.

foul_dwimmerlaik
01-21-2006, 10:26 PM
in fact, all this shit started in Coria vs Ginepri USO match. Since then, he is making lots of double faults, but his tennis is great (that's why he beat Ljubicic in Kooyong, made a 5 set match against Ginepri and be close to win, doesn't matter his DF's, same against Grosjean). I didn't see the Ljubo match, but against Ginepri and Grosjean, the latter especially, Coria was far from great, doublefaults aside. In fact, he was qiute dreadful. He couldn't hit the broad side of a barn until half-way through the 4th set and by then it was too late. His winning the 3rd was due entirely to Grosjean's level taking a dip. Coria was playing like doodoo the entire tournament, but his previous opponents let him get away with it.

foul_dwimmerlaik
01-21-2006, 10:28 PM
Run, push ball back, run, push ball back, run, push ball back, run, push ball back, argue an obviously correct call, insult his opponent, run, drop shot, double fault, run, take injury timeout, push ball back,...,etc. If that's what you like, enjoy Coria at his best :)Thank you, I most definitely do. The problem is, I've not seen him at his best for a long while.

I apologize, in fact, for taking a stab at Gonzo earlier. That was childish of me and unnecessary.

foul_dwimmerlaik
01-21-2006, 10:30 PM
yes...coria and gonzo fans arguing over who needs a psychologist.

lol

hilarious stuffWell the beginning of live tennis is stil 1 1/2 hours away...

Peoples
01-21-2006, 10:55 PM
I apologize, in fact, for taking a stab at Gonzo earlier. That was childish of me and unnecessary.
No problem mate. I am not González, so I don't take it personally. I know his strengths and weaknesses anyway (in fact I am still proud of him despite his 1st round exit or any other results) and if someone wants to emphasise them, although they don't have anything to do with Coria's topic, I don't have problems with it.

bad gambler
01-21-2006, 10:59 PM
clay season can't come quick enough for the weasel

Julio1974
01-21-2006, 11:56 PM
It's funny to read that some people think it's possible to be a top ten player during three consecutive years just by pushing the ball back.

gsm
01-22-2006, 01:29 AM
its uncharacteristic of him to do so many doubles.
you speak rubbish.

some of coria's DF highlights from 05 that i know of;

commited
- 20 DF's verse massu @ 05 USO
- 14 DF's verse ginepri @ 05 USO
- 12 DF's verse johansson @ 05 china open
- 14 DF's verse fed @ 05 YEC

RachBabe17
01-22-2006, 02:36 AM
[QUOTE=gsm]you speak rubbish.

some of coria's previous DF highlights that i know of;

commited
- 20 DF's verse massu @ 96 olympics


???? 96 Olympics? Coria didn't even compete in the 2004 Oly's let alone the 96 Oly's

gsm
01-22-2006, 03:55 AM
thanks for correcting me rach. :)

i should have said;

- 20 DF's verse massu @ 05 USO.

NyGeL
01-22-2006, 06:13 AM
he was serving great last year. Now that I rememeber... first time I was him serving that bad was on Umag (but he won the tournament anyway... or lost final?), but he was serving his best before.