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Verd
01-20-2006, 02:11 AM
  

mangoes
01-20-2006, 02:13 AM
wow..............I guess they got the message in 2005..........

alfonsojose
01-20-2006, 02:30 AM
no matter if u shorten the tour while the top players are money whores playing exos and promoting brands while injured. That's hypocrit

Via
01-20-2006, 02:56 AM
i'm more interested in the development of the atp structure, now that it is essentially run from london, not florida:

http://www.atptennis.com/en/newsandscores/news/2006/devilliers.asp

El Legenda
01-20-2006, 02:58 AM
Dont DO IT, players need to get in shape and quit bitching, i dont want a 2 or 3 month break

Mistaflava
01-20-2006, 03:33 AM
that would be fuckin stupid...why shorten it?????



:mad:

RickDaStick
01-20-2006, 03:47 AM
Dont DO IT, players need to get in shape and quit bitching, i dont want a 2 or 3 month break


that would be fuckin stupid...why shorten it?????



:mad:

Lol i never thought id see you two agree on something.

almouchie
01-20-2006, 03:48 AM
this year & since last year the number of injured players has been quite high, most of them played through the injury which made it hard to heel
nadal & safin & agassi all withdrew because they were still struggling with injuries
it is the only sports where u dont have a real off season
a 3 or 4 week break that players choose to take is not enough of a break to start a new sason
shortening the tour will only preserve the top athletes & keep it viable
who can say that AO lost some of the appeal & star power when both the no1 teenager & defedning champion could not comepte
its defeintely about time they did something
thou not sure the sponsors & media related issues & tournies directors will like that

PaulieM
01-20-2006, 03:48 AM
it doesn't need to be shortened. i'm with fonsie on this one.

nobama
01-20-2006, 04:08 AM
It's not going to make for better tennis. We've already seen at AO some crap tennis all because a lot of players don't have much match practice in. So if they have even more time off at the end of the year AO's going to be a joke.

hablovah19
01-20-2006, 05:07 AM
Oh fantastic... this means the wta will do the same sooner or later... :woohoo:
such copycats of men's tour :lol:

alfonsojose
01-20-2006, 12:38 PM
Lol i never thought id see you two agree on something.
:lol:

athie
01-20-2006, 12:52 PM
no matter if u shorten the tour while the top players are money whores playing exos and promoting brands while injured. That's hypocrit
Yup FonsieJ hun :hug: Players always have a choice!

NicoFan
01-20-2006, 12:53 PM
Great news!

Now they have to have a schedule that makes sense with defined seasons. Clay, then grass, then outdoor hard, and then indoor hard.

And do something with the timing of the Oz Open. Makes no sense. I've tried to play with the schedule in my own humble way ;) but never can figure out where to put it.

jrm
01-20-2006, 12:56 PM
How lame - injuries have nothing to do with long season :rolleyes:

In the past players have played as much and there were no injuries - how come they don't see that point of view???

Dirk
01-20-2006, 12:57 PM
So they are going to close down tennis stadiums and events? What if those events are doing well? What about the lower ranked players that need to play a lot more events in the year?

A_Skywalker
01-20-2006, 12:58 PM
It's a good decision , but I think the dates of the tournaments should be changed drastically and there should be 2-3 pauses in the season with a week without a tournament and also Roland Garros and Wimbledon not to be in 1 month .

Dirk
01-20-2006, 12:59 PM
They can't touch the slams.

I♥PsY@Mus!c
01-20-2006, 01:02 PM
Good decision!

Castafiore
01-20-2006, 01:03 PM
I think it's a good idea that the ATP boss is willing to review things.

Why not stop the season in late october, early november at the latest with a real off season after that and start the season again somewhere in january with a couple of tournaments to warm up for the AO, that starts somewhere in february?

But that probably won't happen, right? I mean, don't they hold the AO in january because of the summer holidays down under in that month?

However, I read somewhere that the busy season is not that much to blame for the injuries but it's the different sort of surfaces and more importantly the change of surface that's hard on the body. So, even if they don't shorten the season, they could look into a schedule that makes more sense perhaps?
How many times have people not mentioned that Wimbledon comes too soon after Roland Garros?

:confused:

NicoFan
01-20-2006, 01:07 PM
However, I read somewhere that the busy season is not that much to blame for the injuries but it's the different sort of surfaces and more importantly the change of surface that's hard on the body. So, even if they don't shorten the season, they could look into a schedule that makes more sense perhaps?

I think its both - and the surfaces do have to be looked at.

The one here at the Oz Open causes a lot of injuries - yet basically when you hear commentators talk about it, they seem to imply that its okay because its a great surface otherwise. I humbly disagree - we can see from all the injuries lately that they have a tremendous negative impact on the sport.

Timariot
01-20-2006, 01:21 PM
Great news!

Now they have to have a schedule that makes sense with defined seasons. Clay, then grass, then outdoor hard, and then indoor hard.


Can't do that. You'd have to cancel too many estabilished, profitable events.

Really, I don't understand where this notion comes that season today is incredibly long, as if it was shorter in "good old days". Some time ago on WTAWorld I had some idiot tell me in straight face how modern players (like Williamses) "play more than players of the '80s"! Right! Lets take how season looked back in 1995: it was pretty much the same, starting right at beginning of the year, Masters being played mid-November...but in addition to that, there was Grand Slam Cup played early-December. So season was actually longer . But surely there was no such gruelling number of events? Bzzt, wrong! There were 85 ATP events in the calender, compared to 67 of today. That's right, there were 25% more events!

But surely in the '80s world of pro tennis was much easier and comfy? Wrong again! Lets take look at 1984. Sure, season started few weeks later...but that was because Australian Open was played in December! And so was Davis Cup finale. And the year-end Championships? That was played next year, early January! And the players? They were playing more than ever - Lendl played 133 singles matches in 1980! And on top of that, top players were playing much more doubles than today. McEnroe routinely played 80-90 singles matches a year, and full schedule of doubles.

Schedule is not killing the players, as it is lighter than ever. Simple as that.

federated
01-20-2006, 01:59 PM
How lame - injuries have nothing to do with long season :rolleyes:

In the past players have played as much and there were no injuries - how come they don't see that point of view???

The game is a lot tougher on the body now.

Also, I don't buy the whole thing about exhibitions being hugely detrimental to player health--players don't approach those matches as anything serious--I think it's more like playing a casual game of tennis at a club (though at a much higher level than what you'd see on your local court). I see no problem with players having a hit for charity or cash. I mean, haas beat federer in kooyong (though perhaps that is prescient???)

NicoFan
01-20-2006, 02:08 PM
Can't do that. You'd have to cancel too many estabilished, profitable events.



Why cancel them? Just move them around.

They do it in other sports all the time. Where I used to live, they have a major golf tournament - used to be in June, then they moved it to the end of July, and for next year, it will be in October.

The game is tougher on the guys now. Much more physical game with a lot more power. And much more travel too.

Timariot
01-20-2006, 02:34 PM
Why cancel them? Just move them around.


It's not that easy. Outdoors events are usually placed so that they will get optimal weather (=least rain). Plus, it would be nice that they don't have to compete with other local sporting events.

If you want to shorten the season, you are bound to cancel events. You can't cram signifant tournaments too close together.

And much more travel too.

I doubt that. Take a look at Mac's schedule at 1984:
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity/default.asp?year=1984&query=Singles&player=M047&x=19&y=6
Does it really look like there was much less travel than today? Okay, he didn't play at Asia (skipped AO) but other than that he was flying from USA to Europe and back all the time.

Game is tougher now - but that is because of too many hardcourt tournaments, not because of schedule or whatnot.

NicoFan
01-20-2006, 02:44 PM
It's not that easy. Outdoors events are usually placed so that they will get optimal weather (=least rain). Plus, it would be nice that they don't have to compete with other local sporting events.

If you want to shorten the season, you are bound to cancel events. You can't cram signifant tournaments too close together.

I doubt that. Take a look at Mac's schedule at 1984:
http://www.atptennis.com/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity/default.asp?year=1984&query=Singles&player=M047&x=19&y=6
Does it really look like there was much less travel than today? Okay, he didn't play at Asia (skipped AO) but other than that he was flying from USA to Europe and back all the time.

Game is tougher now - but that is because of too many hardcourt tournaments, not because of schedule or whatnot.

Good points.

They will have to cancel some - which will hurt the lower ranked players.

Okay - now everyone will laugh at me but... :lol: I've often thought they tennis should have a major league and minor league. Like baseball. Or really more like Nascar which has the Nextel and Busch series. The races are often run in the same cities at the same time. In tennis you have regular ATP and challenger events but they are not very defined, and usually are no where near where the regular ATP events are that week. If you are in the challenger series, they can build in opportunities for a player to be able to jump into the ATP events if they win a tournament, etc. Okay laugh. :haha: I'm really just rambling but its just random thoughts that I've considered on the subway ride when I'm bored. :p

And there are too many hardcourt events...definitely add more clay. But I'm biased...I'm an elitest clay court snob. :devil:

Papakori
01-20-2006, 03:16 PM
aww :( but if its better for the players I am happy then

Dirk
01-20-2006, 03:46 PM
More clay along with green clay and grass events. Oz should go back to it's roots.

CooCooCachoo
01-20-2006, 03:54 PM
How lame - injuries have nothing to do with long season :rolleyes:

In the past players have played as much and there were no injuries - how come they don't see that point of view???

It has everything to do with the long season.

Dirk
01-20-2006, 04:35 PM
It has everything to do with the long season.

Yes the long season which the players can plan out.

mallorn
01-20-2006, 05:04 PM
Well, he's got one thing right for sure: "the issue is unbelievably complex". I'm really curious what kind of "restructuring the calendar" he is talking about. He'll never make everybody happy, and I'm willing to bet that whatever changes he will introduce will be heavily criticised and opposed, at least at the beginning (e.g. the cancelled tournaments won't go down quietly, I imagine).

Having said that, something has got to be done to prevent all those injuries happening. Whether it's the calendar, the surfaces, or the players' greed that's causing them, it is clear that the players are not dealing with the current situation when left to themselves, to the detriment of the game.

So I wish him best of luck with solving the conundrum, but I'm not very optimistic about how his proposals will be received (whatever they may be).

Timariot
01-20-2006, 07:49 PM
Okay - now everyone will laugh at me but... :lol: I've often thought they tennis should have a major league and minor league. Like baseball. Or really more like Nascar which has the Nextel and Busch series. The races are often run in the same cities at the same time. In tennis you have regular ATP and challenger events but they are not very defined, and usually are no where near where the regular ATP events are that week. If you are in the challenger series, they can build in opportunities for a player to be able to jump into the ATP events if they win a tournament, etc. Okay laugh. :haha: I'm really just rambling but its just random thoughts that I've considered on the subway ride when I'm bored. :p


That's why tournaments have qualification events...

In fact, winning certain low-level tournaments is sometimes rewarded with a wildcard to some bigger events.


And there are too many hardcourt events...definitely add more clay. But I'm biased...I'm an elitest clay court snob. :devil:

ATP has totally killed off green clay. Big mistake IMO. It is easier on the joints than HC, but faster than red clay.