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NicoFan
01-16-2006, 05:56 PM
January 16 - Nico went up from 65 to 61.

Of course, with this loss to Simon, he'll lose the points from last year that he had to defend so he'll probably go back down to 65 again.

I'm hoping that he can make it back up to the top forty.

Gaby and he want top twenty.

Sparko1030
01-16-2006, 07:53 PM
Well, I guess they have their work cut out for them then...The LA swing of clay courts is coming up so maybe Nico will find his stride there. He look good and did well in Auckland so hopefully he'll get that form back. It would be great to see him do well in his home town of Vina del Mar.

NicoFan
01-30-2006, 12:25 PM
January 30 - huge hit in the rankings - down to 69 because of the first round loss at the Oz Open. :sad:

Sparko1030
01-30-2006, 05:47 PM
:awww: Not good news...but I am confidant that Nico's ranking will go back up. I think he'll do well on the LA swing. :)

+alonso
02-03-2006, 04:36 PM
He'll raise up in the rankings :bounce:
I don't know why I think Nico will do something huge in Vina :D

NicoFan
02-03-2006, 04:42 PM
He'll raise up in the rankings :bounce:
I don't know why I think Nico will do something huge in Vina :D

Ahhhh....shhhhh...we can't jinx him. :eek: :lol:

Already he'll go up to the high 60's. And if he wins today, probably like #58 depending on how the other do around him.

He's getting there. :yeah:

kidnicky
02-03-2006, 05:05 PM
yes please shhsss!!! :p

I'm happy and nervous now!! Vamos Nico!! keep it going now!!!! :rocker2:

NicoFan
02-06-2006, 12:48 PM
February 6th - 55th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:woohoo:

Up 14 places!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awesome playing and awesome result in VINA!

NICOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

:bounce:

NicoFan
02-06-2006, 04:25 PM
And FYI - no points to defend until the week of when Houston is played. And that is only first round points.

So he can only go UP! :yeah:

Fergie
02-06-2006, 09:58 PM
Nico :yeah:

Now it's time to add more points and back to the top-50 :)

+alonso
02-06-2006, 11:30 PM
He'll raise up in the rankings :bounce:
I don't know why I think Nico will do something huge in Vina :D
I was sooo right :cool:


Keep it up Nico :D

kidnicky
02-07-2006, 03:25 AM
Congrats Nico!!! :bounce:

And such a great news that he has no points to defend so he could go higher and higher :rocker2:

What a great week for Nico!!! We're so proud of you!!! :hug:

NicoFan
02-14-2006, 02:03 AM
February 13 - +1 to 54. :yeah:

kidnicky
02-14-2006, 01:16 PM
Yeay Nico! keep it going!! :yeah:

NicoFan
02-20-2006, 08:10 PM
February 20 - down -1 to 55. :sad:

That's okay Nico - the way you are playing, the points will come!! :yeah:

NicoFan
02-27-2006, 02:24 PM
February 27 - 44!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:

Its such a relief to see him back into the Top 50!!!

:bounce:

Sparko1030
02-27-2006, 03:02 PM
:banana: YEAY!!!!! Its great to see him working himself back up in the ranks where he belongs!

NicoFan
03-06-2006, 11:39 AM
March 6 - Nico took a semi-hit to 47. :bigcry: This sucks. And he wasn't even defending points.

kidnicky
03-06-2006, 01:22 PM
oh damn! and I thought that he'll get some places up not down!! f*ck! :sad: anyway he's on his way to be on the top again and he'll make it!

VAMOS NICO!!!!!

Sparko1030
03-06-2006, 03:45 PM
Minor setback. I will never fully understand rankings. :confused:

kidnicky
03-06-2006, 04:18 PM
yeah, I hate this ranking thing!! I thought that he'd gain some points not the opposite .. :rolleyes: anyway f*ck to the ranking this week ... VAMOS NICO!!!! :fiery:

NicoFan
03-06-2006, 04:19 PM
Rankings are a pain. :sad: It depends on what the people around him do too.

But he's doing well so in time, he'll be there! :yeah:

kidnicky
03-06-2006, 04:53 PM
I know! that was the reason of my "f*ck to the ranking" :lol: he's doing so well that I can't be sad for the ranking, just mad :haha:

kidnicky
03-20-2006, 03:30 AM
March 20 ... Nico went from 47 to 43!!!! :woohoo:

Congrats to Nico!!!! He desearves this and more!!! :hug:

oh and p.s for the players near to him .... don't ruin our ranking again like the last time ok!! :fiery: :lol:

Love ya Nico!!! we're getting there!! :kiss:

Sparko1030
03-20-2006, 04:59 AM
:banana: VAMOS NICo!!! :banana: That's great news!!! Thanks Kid!!!

kidnicky
03-20-2006, 01:15 PM
You're welcome Sparko! this was the first time that I smiled after watching the ranking list on the ATP site :lol:

Congrats Nico!! Vamooos!!!! :bounce:

NicoFan
03-28-2006, 06:19 PM
Judio has Nico projected to be 37 in the rankings after Miami!

:woohoo:

That's great - means that he definitely won't have to qualify for Rome or Hamburg! :bigclap:

And he said that he wanted to be in the top 40 for Monte Carlo - and he did it! :yeah:

Sparko1030
03-28-2006, 06:45 PM
VAMOS NICO!!!! :bounce: :kiss:

kidnicky
03-28-2006, 10:34 PM
oooh hopefully he's right ... oohh 37 :sobbing: so good for our boy ... sorry I cry for everything :lol:

VAMOS NICO!!!! KEEP IT GOING!!!!! :bounce:

NicoFan he also said now that in one chance he even could get seed in RG :kiss: I love this boy!!

NicoFan
03-29-2006, 12:00 AM
I know that he wants to be in the top ten or at least the top twenty.

But for what its worth :lol: I really only care if he gets to 32 because then he will get seeded at all the Slams and at IW and Miami. The rest of the Masters Series I don't care if he gets seeded because they are so small that there is no such thing as a good draw whether you are seeded or unseeded - the only benefit of being seeded is not getting Rafa or Roger in the first round.

So 32 for me is the number.

Cuz last time he was trying for top ten he was miserable. And he's miserable when he's ranked low. So 32 is a nice in between number. :lol: He will be playing well but he can relax and party and have a good time.

Again that's just my opinion. ;)

kidnicky
03-29-2006, 12:43 AM
yeah 32 is fine but maybe even more in the top 20 :p I don't care the ranking just not Federer or Rafa in the draws please :lol:

btw NicoFan I loveee your new signature :yeah:

NicoFan
04-03-2006, 12:11 AM
Arpil 3 - Nico moves up six spots to number 37! :woohoo: Well done in Miami NICO! :yeah:

Fergie
04-03-2006, 01:21 AM
Great jump Nico, congrats! :bounce:

kidnicky
04-03-2006, 02:58 AM
great!!!!! :banana: congrats Nico!!! :kiss:

He's doing a great great job!! so happy for him :hug:

Hopefully this will help him on DC too!

kidnicky
04-17-2006, 02:23 PM
Apr. 17th Nico went up one place! 36 now!! :yeah:

Keep it going Nico Vamooos!!! :bounce:

Fergie
04-17-2006, 02:39 PM
Every week is better :yeah:

kidnicky
04-17-2006, 03:14 PM
Hopefully he can keep it going :p

Sparko1030
04-17-2006, 06:07 PM
YES!!! keep it up Nico!!!!

kidnicky
04-24-2006, 12:59 AM
Apr 24th, Nico went down one spot ... he's 37 now, well I thought that it'd be worse so Vamooos Nico!!! let's get some points the next week! :bounce:

Sparko1030
04-25-2006, 04:18 AM
Yeah, not too much of a drop. I'm like you Kid-I think Nico will pick some points in Casablanca.

kidnicky
04-25-2006, 01:32 PM
He better does Sparko :lol: :p

kidnicky
05-01-2006, 06:47 PM
May 1st ... thanks to Casablanca Nico is 32 now!!! :woohoo: :woohoo: I'm so happy for him!! he's getting there!!!

Love ya Nico :hug:

+alonso
05-01-2006, 10:24 PM
Even If Nico doesn't play during this week, He'll be 31 :)

NicoFan
05-01-2006, 10:43 PM
Yeay for Nico! :woohoo: He worked so hard to get to his goal. :hug:

I have no clue on these points. Just like Fernando going up to #9 without playing, I don't understand how Nico can move up without playing. :shrug: But since he is playing, it will be nice if he can get into the top 30! It will help in staying in top 32 for the RG seedings.

kidnicky
05-02-2006, 01:18 AM
OMG I'll never get this points thing, like you NicoFan, I can understand how is that the boys can go up one place without even play :shrug: but like you said, glad to know that Nico is playing, he can get some wins and some extra points :p

So happy to see that one of his goals is already acomplished :hug:

Sparko1030
05-02-2006, 03:24 AM
:bounce: Yes Nico!!!! I'm so happy how he's working his way back up the rankings! It does make life easier with the draws-usually anyway!

16681
05-07-2006, 09:42 PM
As of 05/08/06 Nico is now ranked #31 which is up one position :)

NicoFan
05-07-2006, 09:57 PM
Yeay Nico! :woohoo:

I hate rooting against people I like but the magic number to be seeded for RG is 32.

So as much as I like them, the people around him must have bad Rome's and Hamburg's. :eek: Sorry to them, but Nico comes first! :lol:

So Juan Ignacio, Lord Carlos, Jose, Feli and (I'm so sorrrry Sjoukje! :hug: ) Fer V. all must lose. :sad:

Also looking for them to lose early are Tursunov, Gael, Paradorn, PHM, Xavier, Youzhny and C. Rochus.

kidnicky
05-08-2006, 01:23 AM
Congrats Nico!! :woohoo:

Now I hate even more the stupid draw that we got for Rome :mad: ... anyway I'm still hoping for the best and I'm confident that Nico will be seeded in RG so VAMOOOS!!!!

16681
05-08-2006, 02:31 AM
Oh my things are really close for Nico and RG :sad: But if he can do enough to hold his current ranking, he will be in RG :) I just hope he can do enough himself or that other people don't do as well so he can maintain or even move up in the rankings :unsure: Vamos Nico :)

NicoFan
05-15-2006, 10:24 PM
5/15 - back down to 32. :sad: Wish this was next week's ranking.

kidnicky
05-17-2006, 01:49 PM
Yeah me too NicoFan :sad: ... at least if he's not seeded for RG, we could wish (again) for not a terrible draw, right?? :rolleyes:

16681
05-22-2006, 03:25 AM
As of 05/22/06 the ATP Site shows Nico ranking is #35 which is down 3 positions :sad:

tennis_freak67
05-22-2006, 03:44 AM
Go up Nico!

kidnicky
05-22-2006, 02:09 PM
well he went down but like he got the seeded for RG I'm not that bummed about this :p ... he'll cotinue climbing I know that!! :yeah:

NicoFan
05-22-2006, 11:00 PM
Yeah as long as he's seeded, I'm happy.

I'm hoping for 3 rounds in RG. And then kicking butt again on the summer clay in Europe. :yeah:

Fergie
05-23-2006, 01:25 AM
I'm hoping for 3 rounds in RG.
Or more ;)

NicoFan
05-28-2006, 10:38 PM
:lol: Fergie when you wrote that you didn't realize that it might be Roger and Nico in the 3rd round!

May 29 - no change - Nico is still at 35.

kidnicky
05-29-2006, 12:50 AM
Vamoos Nico!!! he'll go up again I know!! :bounce:

NicoFan
06-03-2006, 08:46 PM
Judio just updated his rankings thread...and has Nico at 32 for next week!

:woohoo:

Sparko1030
06-05-2006, 04:03 AM
:yeah: Alright Nico!!!

kidnicky
06-05-2006, 02:30 PM
oh such a great great news!!! :banana:

Congrats to Nico!! :woohoo:

:hug:

NicoFan
06-12-2006, 12:50 AM
June 11 - up to 32!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:

NicoFan
06-12-2006, 12:52 AM
BTW - asked Judio if Nico has a chance to get seeded for Wimbledon because of the weird way they seed. He seed that if Nico is in the top 32, he'll be seeded. The way they seed only affects the order of the top 32 which may be different from the ATP's order of the top 32.

But of course, Nico may drop down. Because even though he doesn't have points to defend, those around him are playing in regular tournaments, can earn points and move past him.

Now Guille, Andreev, and Chucho aren't paying. And of course don't want to wish bad things on guys but that gives him some wiggle room on whether or not he'll be seeded.

kidnicky
06-12-2006, 01:37 PM
Congrats to Nico!!!! :woohoo:

Great news :banana:

Hopefully something good will happen and he'll get seeded although I'd preffer if he wouldn't play on grass :ras: :lol:

NicoFan
06-18-2006, 08:25 PM
Confirmed on the ATP site.

June 19 - down from 32 to 33.

But still seeded for Wimbledon! :woohoo:

Sparko1030
06-19-2006, 05:12 AM
Confirmed on the ATP site.

June 19 - down from 32 to 33.

But still seeded for Wimbledon! :woohoo:

Even though he went down a point there is still good news! :yeah:

kidnicky
06-19-2006, 01:14 PM
yeay!! great news!!! the important thing is that he'll be seeded for Wimbledon! :yeah:

Keep it going Nico!!! :banana:

NicoFan
06-25-2006, 07:40 PM
June 26 - stays the same - at 33.

NicoFan
07-06-2006, 08:24 PM
Judio has Nico projected at 37 for Monday. :sad:

And if he doesn't defend his SF points at Bastad, he'll be out of the Top 40.

:bigcry:

All that hard work to move back up the rankings, and its all disappearing.

Alx
07-06-2006, 09:22 PM
What an idea to return to Chile between Roland-Garros and Wimbledon instead of train on grass !!!!
Here is the result !! http://www.emoticones-msn.org/emoticones/Triste//triste4.gif

kidnicky
07-06-2006, 09:41 PM
well that's the last thing that we should had worried about ... actually the worst in this case is to go back to Chile after Wimbledon, when he should had practiced on the european clay but hell noooo!! he was to bussy having his good bye party :o

I'm going to be sad for it but this time if he doesn't deffend his points on the european clay it won't be because he's having a bad time or something like that, this time it's all by his own fault.

I HATE THE FREAKING RANKING THING!!!!! :mad:

NicoFan
07-06-2006, 09:59 PM
I didn't mind him going home after RG either because he hadn't been home in so long - he deserved a break and a good vacation.

Its this last one that makes me crazy. With so many points to defend, it still is a mystery to me. :shrug:

Oh well...love him anyway. He's our sweetie. :hug: :kiss:

kidnicky
07-06-2006, 10:11 PM
totally agree with you NicoFan, but I'm sure that I'll be mad at him the next week :o ... at least one day :lol:

16681
07-10-2006, 05:05 AM
It is official as of 07/10/06 the ATP Site shows Nico's ranking as #37 which is down 4 positions :sad:

kidnicky
07-10-2006, 01:27 PM
:bigcry:

NicoFan
07-10-2006, 09:43 PM
It is official as of 07/10/06 the ATP Site shows Nico's ranking as #37 which is down 4 positions :sad:


:sad:

Our poor sweetie. :hug:

NicoFan
07-11-2006, 09:49 PM
Okay...the reason Nico dropped so much last week according to Judio (who is always right :lol: ) is that the 75 points from Gstaad last year dropped off this past Monday.

So this week in Bastad, he's defending his Amersfoort points - 40 points. Yes, I know...the ranking points are stupid. :shrug: So in Amersfoort next week, he'll have to defend his Kitz points - which are a lot because he made it to the SFs.

But in Kitz, I'm assuming, he'll defend his Washington points - which are only 5 because he lost in the first round.

But I'm not sure - I'm just guessing there.

I hate the rankings system. :sad: The only one that understands it is Judio!!!

kidnicky
07-11-2006, 09:58 PM
and the 40 points from Amersfoot that are now for Bastad are from what? quaterfinals??

and assuming that you got it now NicoFan, it's good news now 'cause he already lost the points the last week and now the points from Kitz on the last year will be in Amersfoot where there's a regular entry list, not as complicated as the one here in Bastad, so it seems that after losing all those points, he'll have a good chance to recover some spots and more points that he was defending the next weeks, at least I hope so :awww:

I agree with you, the point thing is just stupid :ras:

NicoFan
07-11-2006, 10:00 PM
I know that its definitely only 40 points this week from Amersfoort last year - and yes, that's QF points.

I have a post into Judio to make sure that then Amersfoort will be Kitz points, and Kitz will be Washington points.

I'll let y'all know when Judio posts back.

LOVELY
07-11-2006, 10:11 PM
Ranking points works from date to date I think .(So last year Gstaad was from July 4th to July 10th )that's why players defend points of the same week of last year :scratch: I'm not sure if I'm clear :lol:

NicoFan
07-11-2006, 10:14 PM
Ranking points works from date to date I think .(So last year Gstaad was from July 4th to July 10th )that's why players defend points of the same week of last year :scratch: I'm not sure if I'm clear :lol:

Oh that makes sense.

But I would rather they have it by tournament.

Amersfoort = Amersfoort
Kitz = Kitz

Thank goodness for Judio because I really depend on him. :lol:

LOVELY
07-11-2006, 10:18 PM
But I would rather they have it by tournament.

Amersfoort = Amersfoort
Kitz = Kitz

Yes it would be easier for us :yeah:

kidnicky
07-11-2006, 10:29 PM
and it'd has more sense :lol:

NicoFan
07-12-2006, 09:21 PM
Okay...I have no clue about rankings. :haha: NEVER EVER listen to anything about say about rankings.

Here's Judio's response:

The 2006 Calendar has now caught up again with last year
as there was a spare Davis Cup week in 2005

Amersfoort was in the week of 18 July 05

and will come off along with Stuttgart and Indianapolis
on Monday 24 July 06 after Amersfoort has been played this year

Massu is not defending any points this week so can increase his
ranking by getting more than 40 points (His Best 5th)

kidnicky
07-12-2006, 10:18 PM
don't worry NicoFan, we're the same thing about the ranking stuff :haha:

so he'll defend his Amersfoot points in Amersfoot the next week right??? :p .... and it seems that now Nico can go up in the ranking this week huh?? .... well I hope he'll

this ranking stuff is so complicated :rolls:

NicoFan
07-12-2006, 10:24 PM
I know! You need like an advanced degree to understand it! :haha:

kidnicky
07-12-2006, 10:36 PM
maybe there's a career at the university about that freaking stuff :lol:

kidnicky
07-17-2006, 02:34 AM
According to the ATP site

July 17th Nico stayed in the same position 37th place

But we'll go up the next week!! Vamoooos!!! :yeah:

TommyB.
07-17-2006, 08:58 AM
FYI - Nico is still #27 in the ATP race for Shanghai. But i don't if it's interesting. :lol:

kidnicky
07-17-2006, 01:13 PM
we're so worried for the other ranking that I haven't realized about that :lol:

NicoFan
07-23-2006, 12:43 PM
Judio says that Nico will go up to #34 this week! :woohoo:

He has I think 110 points in Kitz - that's off the top of my head - I have to doublecheck.

But root against the following guys! :haha:

I want Nico seeded at the US Open so these guys have to suck over the last few weeks. ;)

31 29 Bjorkman 0 1,008 5
32 30 Grosjean 0 1,005 5
33 31 Tursunov 20 980 40
35 34 Vliegen 5 920 5
36 35 Murray 0 916 21

Sparko1030
07-23-2006, 06:45 PM
:bounce: Yeah Nico!!! Just keep moving up! :yeah:

ChinoRios4Ever
07-23-2006, 11:38 PM
nico defend 110 pts from kitz semis last yr
after that he only defend 150 pts from us open 4th rd


good chances to see nico seeded at the US Open

16681
07-24-2006, 05:57 AM
Yes it is official as of 07/24/06 the ATP Site shows Nico's ranking is #34 which is up 3 positions :)

kidnicky
07-24-2006, 01:19 PM
Great Nico!!! Congratulations :bounce:

And is good to see that I don't have to root against any favorite for Nico's seeding :lol: ... well maybe except for Grosjean but I don't care :p

Good luck Nico! keep it going!

doris_hdz
07-24-2006, 05:33 PM
hola...todavia estoy triste por la derrota del nico, pero por lo meos subio de posicion...
vamosssss...nicooooo

NicoFan
07-30-2006, 09:08 PM
According to Judio's calculations, our Nico will go down to #38 on July 31.

:bigcry:

I'll doublecheck on the atp site tomorrow.

16681
07-31-2006, 04:20 AM
According to Judio's calculations, our Nico will go down to #38 on July 31.

:bigcry:

I'll doublecheck on the atp site tomorrow.
Sorry Judio is correct :sad: According to the ATP Site as of 07/31/06 Nico's ranking is #38 which is down 4 positions :sad:

kidnicky
07-31-2006, 01:37 PM
oh this is great huh? :ras: ..... I hate rankings!! I hate them!!!! :bigcry:

Nico :hug:

TommyB.
07-31-2006, 02:21 PM
Damn!! :( But now it's time to climb in the ranking.

Nico needs #32 for NY. And i'm sure he make it! :fiery:

Sparko1030
08-01-2006, 05:50 AM
:awww: Rats.....all the more reason Nico should not blow off the hardcourt season. Please be prepared Nico!!!

NicoFan
08-01-2006, 07:51 PM
Damn!! :( But now it's time to climb in the ranking.

Nico needs #32 for NY. And i'm sure he make it! :fiery:

He does need the #32 for NY - I so want him seeded. He has to be seeded!

PoderShileno
08-03-2006, 12:43 AM
vamoss nicoo fuerza¡¡¡

16681
08-07-2006, 04:24 AM
Well what can I say? The bad news is that Nico's ranking isn't going up, however, the good news is it isn't going down either. The ATP Site shows as of 08/07/06 Nico's ranking remains at #38.

NicoFan
08-13-2006, 08:18 PM
Nico's not going to be seeded at the US Open unless he goes really far in Cincy. :bigcry:

According to Judio, he's now 40 as of tomorrow, August 14. :sad:

I don't know what he's going to do - he needs to get that ranking back up at least to the low 30's. He's got 150 points to defend at the US Open (4th round) - so if he gets another shitty shitty draw, he's screwed and will drop way down into the 40s and won't get on the direct entry list for Madrid or Paris (yes, here we go again :sad). I think he needs to spend September in challengers - though again yes, I know, he'll never do it. :shrug: But I wish he would.

Sparko1030
08-13-2006, 09:52 PM
:sad: Its so frustrating to see how hard he's worked this year (with lots of succes on claycourts) and to be done in with these crappy draws. I hope your senario doesn't come to pass Nicofan, but I know with the luck he's had that it could.

16681
08-13-2006, 09:59 PM
Nico's not going to be seeded at the US Open unless he goes really far in Cincy. :bigcry:

According to Judio, he's now 40 as of tomorrow, August 14. :sad:

I don't know what he's going to do - he needs to get that ranking back up at least to the low 30's. He's got 150 points to defend at the US Open (4th round) - so if he gets another shitty shitty draw, he's screwed and will drop way down into the 40s and won't get on the direct entry list for Madrid or Paris (yes, here we go again :sad). I think he needs to spend September in challengers - though again yes, I know, he'll never do it. :shrug: But I wish he would.
I will try and get the official ranking posted, but Judio seems to be always right on the money about these rankings. What a sad situation :sad: Because it is hard for me to see Nico defeating Fernando on a hard court unless maybe Fernando is just tired because he has played more at this time than Nico :rolleyes:

ChinoRios4Ever
08-13-2006, 11:33 PM
nico is 40 now

wooow :sad:

NicoFan
08-14-2006, 12:37 AM
I just looked at the rankings - I had thought that if Nico doesn't do well at the US Open, he'd be in the low 40's - looks more like out of the top 50.

It doesn't seem fair. I know he's working hard, but he's had no luck in the draws. :sad: It must be so discouraging for him. I feel so bad for him.

He really needs to play some challengers in September - again, I know he won't, but he needs to. Get some court time, get some confidence back, and get some much needed points. He keeps going to the big tournaments where he gets sucky draws and loses in the first round - isn't doing him (or his ranking) any good. :sad:

kidnicky
08-14-2006, 01:38 AM
well this ranking thing jus sucks!!! :ras: :ras: I hate this freaking thing!!! 'cause I can't believe that we'd have the same scenario for Madrid and Paris than the last year, after all the work that he has done and after all the success that he's having this year, except for the freaking master series where the stupid draws don't help us at all.

and I still can't see anything planed for the rest of september so who knows, maybe actually now he's thinking about the challengers thing, but just for the record, we've seen that it doesn't matter if you're seeded or not, we've seen the draws for Rafa beign the no. 2 in the world, and we've seen the ridiculous draws facing qualifiers vs qualifiers .... so actually for me to the hell with the damn seeded thing!! :mad: I'm going to be possitive and sending good vibes for Nico in these next weeks, I know he can do it!!!! and I BELIEVE IN HIM!!!!!!!!!

VAMOOOOOOOS NICOOOOOOO!!!

ChinoRios4Ever
08-14-2006, 03:34 AM
40. Nicolas Massu 900

Points in the Grand Slams and Masters Series:
2006 Australian Open 5 pts 1st rd
2006 AMS Indian Wells 20 pts 2nd rd
2006 AMS Miami 35 pts 3rd rd
2006 AMS Monte-Carlo 5 pts 1st rd
2006 AMS Rome 5 pts 1st rd
2006 AMS Hamburg 5 pts 1st rd
2006 French Open 75 pts 3rd rd
2006 Wimbledon 5 pts 1st rd
2006 AMS Canada 5 pts 1st rd
2005 AMS Cincinnati 5 pts 1st rd
2005 US Open 150 pts 4th rd
2005 AMS Madrid 5 pts 1st rd
2005 AMS Paris-Bercy 5 pts 1st rd

His 5 non grand slams and masters series event:
175 pts Costa do Sauipe 2006 WINNER
120 pts Viña del Mar 2006 Final
120 pts Casablanca 2006 Final
120 pts Amersfoort 2006 Final
40 pts Bastad 2006 QF

TOTAL PTS: 900

19 Tournament: 40 pts Auckland 2006 QF

Points to defend this week: Cincinnati 5 pts 1st rd

TommyB.
08-14-2006, 08:47 AM
Poor Nico. It's really difficult to be seeded at the US Open now. :sad:

But let's wait and see what he can do this week.

NicoFan
08-20-2006, 04:43 PM
Nico won't be seeded for the US Open. :sad: Which we knew after what happened in Toronto and Cincy.

Judio has him at #40 in the ATP rankings for tomorrow.

Ancic and Andreev will not play (I believe people said Ancic is out).

So he'll be #38 for the US Open. :sad:

No way 6 more guys will pull out - and wouldn't want that anyway. It would be a sucky US Open if 8 guys in the top 32 pulled out.

NicoFan
08-20-2006, 04:58 PM
I would love to see him do at least one challenger in September to get his ranking back up.

And get some confidence back. There are some good players sometimes in the later stages of a challenger. It would be good for him.

Sparko1030
08-20-2006, 05:42 PM
:( on the ranking....

And I wish Nico would take your advice Nicofan-he wouldn't have to play many to boost his ranking and confidence but what are the chances? :shrug:

kidnicky
08-21-2006, 01:45 AM
oh well I'm sorry for the people, like NicoFan, that is going to the USO and I know that it'd suck that 6 more guys will drop out but actually I don't care :lol: I'd pay anything to these 6 more guys so then Nico would be seeded :angel: I'm sorry but I can't help it, Nico is Nico!!!

I hate the stupid ranking :mad: oh well I still believe that Nico can do a good USO and that'd help his confidence a lot ;)

Vamooos Nico!!!

ChinoRios4Ever
08-21-2006, 04:01 AM
DANGER DANGER, NICO UNSEEDED IN FLUSHING MEADOWS

I HOPE HE WILL BE A DANGEROUS FLOATER

WELL THIS IS UPDATE OF HIS POINTS:
40. Nicolas Massu 900

Points in the Grand Slams and Masters Series:
2006 Australian Open 5 pts 1st rd
2006 AMS Indian Wells 20 pts 2nd rd
2006 AMS Miami 35 pts 3rd rd
2006 AMS Monte-Carlo 5 pts 1st rd
2006 AMS Rome 5 pts 1st rd
2006 AMS Hamburg 5 pts 1st rd
2006 French Open 75 pts 3rd rd
2006 Wimbledon 5 pts 1st rd
2006 AMS Canada 5 pts 1st rd
2006 AMS Cincinnati 5 pts 1st rd
2005 US Open 150 pts 4th rd
2005 AMS Madrid 5 pts 1st rd
2005 AMS Paris-Bercy 5 pts 1st rd

His 5 non grand slams and masters series event:
175 pts Costa do Sauipe 2006 WINNER
120 pts Viña del Mar 2006 Final
120 pts Casablanca 2006 Final
120 pts Amersfoort 2006 Final
40 pts Bastad 2006 QF

TOTAL PTS: 900

19 Tournament: 40 pts Auckland 2006 QF

Points to defend this week: 0

16681
08-26-2006, 07:19 AM
I'm so sorry about Nico's ranking :sad:

ChinoRios4Ever
08-27-2006, 04:24 AM
UPDATING.... NICO GAIN 10 PTS, BUT HE FALL TO 41

41. Nicolas Massu 910

Points in the Grand Slams and Masters Series:
2006 Australian Open 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Indian Wells 20 pts 2nd
2006 AMS Miami 35 pts 3rd
2006 AMS Monte-Carlo 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Rome 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Hamburg 5 pts 1st
2006 French Open 75 pts 3rd
2006 Wimbledon 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Canada 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Cincinnati 5 pts 1st
2005 US Open 150 pts R16
2005 AMS Madrid 5 pts 1st
2005 AMS Paris-Bercy 5 pts 1st

His 5 non grand slams and masters series event:
2006 Costa do Sauipe 175 pts WINNER
2006 Viña del Mar 120 pts Final
2006 Casablanca 120 pts Final
2006 Amersfoort 120 pts Final
2006 NEW HAVEN 50 PTS QF (NEW)

TOTAL PTS: 910

19 Tournament: 2006 Bastad 40 pts QF

Points to defend this week: 150 pts US Open 2005 R16

NicoFan
08-27-2006, 08:54 PM
I can't believe that Nico went down to 41 when he did better than last year in NH - earned 30 more points.

I really can't stand the way the rankings are done. So stupid. :(

kidnicky
08-28-2006, 03:13 AM
ok I've to say it again I HATE RANKINGS!!!!!!! :mad:

this is really really really stupid!! he had a great week and he went down one place?!?!?! :rolleyes: ... anyway at least we got a better draw without beign seeding so I can't complain in that aspect, but I inisist .... STUPID RANKING!!! :ras:

Sparko1030
08-28-2006, 04:39 AM
:sad: I was sure his ranking would go up after last week...players close to his rank must have done well too or somehting. Ranking seems to be a complex puzzle devoid of logic. :shrug:

16681
08-28-2006, 05:36 AM
:sad: I was sure his ranking would go up after last week...players close to his rank must have done well too or somehting. Ranking seems to be a complex puzzle devoid of logic. :shrug:
Yes it can depend on what other players are doing as far as the rankings are concerned. But what I like about coming here is that all of you know exactly where Nico ranks at all time. Great fans :angel:

TommyB.
08-28-2006, 09:51 AM
Nico got "only" 10 points...he won one round more than last year. And Soderling passed by Nico in the ranking with his NH semifinal.

Stupid rankings! :rolleyes:

Alx
08-28-2006, 10:40 AM
Only the 5 best results except the Grand Slams and the Masters Series are taken into consideration for the ranking. That's why he only won 10 points (50 points QF New Haven replaced the 40 points QF Bastad).

NicoFan
08-28-2006, 11:42 AM
Thanks for the info Alx - I don't understand teh rankings and never will. :shrug: De Villiers has all these new initiatives in place to get more fans (most of which are stupid). He could help the fans if they had a rankings system that a person without a math degree could understand. ;)

Alonso was right - Judio has the points taken out for the US Open - Nico is 43.

So first he must win.

And second all those guys around him must lose (sorrrrrry Lord Carlos):

38 33 Malisse 5 838 40
39 44 Serra 5 785 15
40 45 Almagro 5 785 5
41 50 Martin 5 779 40
42 51 Benneteau 5 775 9
43 41 Massu 5 765 50
44 21 Ginepri 5 760 20
45 48 Moya 5 755 40
46 49 Santoro 5 751 25
47 46 Simon 5 751 10
48 43 Srichaphan 5 750 25
49 49 Volandri 5 750 15
50 46 Wawrinka 5 733 5

kidnicky
08-28-2006, 01:25 PM
now I'm more confused :lol: ... Nico could be 43 after the USO or what?!? oh it seems that first I've to check wich is his ranking today and then I'd get if he is 41 or 43 right now .... and for me, I don't care the rest of the players :p so aaaaall of them can lose, it's fine by me :lol:

stupid ranking thing, I'm sure that they are handle for a frustrated scientist that only could get a job in the ATP instead of a lab science :rolls: .... I was watching the draw for the UEFA champions league, and they can't draw 2 teams from the same country so if that happens, they do it again ... why the ATP can't do that?!?! we'd never have a match between our chileans :p

ChinoRios4Ever
08-28-2006, 05:11 PM
the top 50 players only get points in 5 International Series tournaments

16681
09-11-2006, 04:42 AM
As of 09/11/06 the ATP Site shows Nico's ranking is #43 which is down 2 positions :sad:

kidnicky
09-11-2006, 01:25 PM
thanks for the info Mae .... well we knew that he'd get down but actually I thought that it could have been worse than this :awww:

NicoFan
09-11-2006, 04:23 PM
I thought it would be worst too - maybe out of the top 50. #43 isn't that bad considering.

kidnicky
09-11-2006, 04:39 PM
yeah I was thinking the same too ... 43 isn't that bad ;)

Alx
09-11-2006, 04:53 PM
And he has no more points to defend

NicoFan
09-11-2006, 05:06 PM
And he has no more points to defend

:yeah:

He can really move up a lot if he can do well this fall.

kidnicky
09-11-2006, 05:52 PM
yes he can!! and he wants to do very well this fall so at least I'm confident for the small tournaments :p and with Nico you never know what could happen ;)

NicoFan
09-17-2006, 06:01 PM
From Judio's thread, looks like Nico is down yet again - to 45 for week of 9/18.

:sad:

Shame really. The guys around him are all bunched up - if he had played only one tournament this month, got 40 points, he would be back into the top 40 - and probably wouldn't have to qualify for Paris. If he didn't want to go to Beijing or Mumbai, he could have gone to Bucharest. And there's a good challenger this upcoming week with some bigger names - Horna, Zab, Coria - could have gotten some playing time, confidence back...and most importantly, points. I don't know why he feels that he can't play a challenger again - these guys do, Verdasco (ranked far far higher than Nico) plays challengers now and again. I don't get it. :shrug:

Can you tell I'm still very irritated that the boy isn't playing all this month? ;) :lol:

Alx
09-17-2006, 06:09 PM
Can you tell I'm still very irritated that the boy isn't playing all this month? ;) :lol:
I didn't notice it ;)

It's a pity he looses all the ranks he won in the beginning of the year :sad:

NicoFan
09-17-2006, 06:14 PM
It's a pity he looses all the ranks he won in the beginning of the year :sad:

I know...he worked so hard to move back up the rankings, and if this continues, he won't be in much better a place than he was when the year started.

And last year, he didn't really take an offseason - went to Argentina and worked through the offseason so he could move back up.

Don't know if he'll be willing to do that again this year.

Of course, he's had so much time off since after Roland Garros, the question is does he really even need an offseason? ;) He's had about 2 mini-offseasons in the last 3 months and this month is long enough to be considered an offseason break. :haha:

kidnicky
09-18-2006, 02:32 AM
are you still irratated NicoFan?? naaaah!!! you're kidding :haha: .... well it really sucks that he's going down and all the hard work hasn't helped a lot 'cause we're about to face another end of the season as the last one, although there's a small difference now, that I believe that we won't see another serie of 6 first round loses, at least we hope so, so again we've to wait and trust in whatever Nico is thinking for taking this break :rolls: ... it's the only thing we can do, 'cause I don't want to get mad before starting to watch some results from October, so Nico I really hope that you'll give us some good surprises :lol:

and just for the record ... I miss him and I HATE RANKINGS!!! :ras:

16681
09-18-2006, 04:35 AM
From Judio's thread, looks like Nico is down yet again - to 45 for week of 9/18.

:sad:

Shame really. The guys around him are all bunched up - if he had played only one tournament this month, got 40 points, he would be back into the top 40 - and probably wouldn't have to qualify for Paris. If he didn't want to go to Beijing or Mumbai, he could have gone to Bucharest. And there's a good challenger this upcoming week with some bigger names - Horna, Zab, Coria - could have gotten some playing time, confidence back...and most importantly, points. I don't know why he feels that he can't play a challenger again - these guys do, Verdasco (ranked far far higher than Nico) plays challengers now and again. I don't get it. :shrug:

Can you tell I'm still very irritated that the boy isn't playing all this month? ;) :lol:
Correct as of 09/18/06 the ATP Site does show Nico's ranking as #45 which is down 2 positions :sad: Poor Nico maybe he just didn't like the results he had been getting and thought more time off would help :shrug:

ChinoRios4Ever
09-19-2006, 05:44 PM
UPDATING....

OH NO NICO IS 45 NOW :sad:

45. Nicolas Massu 795

Points in the Grand Slams and Masters Series:
2006 Australian Open 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Indian Wells 20 pts 2nd
2006 AMS Miami 35 pts 3rd
2006 AMS Monte-Carlo 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Rome 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Hamburg 5 pts 1st
2006 French Open 75 pts 3rd
2006 Wimbledon 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Canada 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Cincinnati 5 pts 1st
2006 US Open 35 pts 2nd
2005 AMS Madrid 5 pts 1st
2005 AMS Paris-Bercy 5 pts 1st

His 5 non grand slams and masters series event:
2006 Costa do Sauipe 175 pts WINNER
2006 Viña del Mar 120 pts Final
2006 Casablanca 120 pts Final
2006 Amersfoort 120 pts Final
2006 New Haven 50 PTS QF

TOTAL PTS: 795

19 Tournament: 2006 Bastad 40 pts QF

Points to defend this week: 0

kidnicky
09-19-2006, 05:51 PM
thanks for the update Rios ... we knew the ranking already but I appreciate to see your "overview" :p

I hate rankings :rolleyes:

ChinoRios4Ever
09-20-2006, 01:36 AM
i have problems with my pc
thats why i cant update at the right time

its so :sad: nico is 45..... he will need to play the qualies at bercy

NicoFan
09-20-2006, 11:32 PM
its so :sad: nico is 45..... he will need to play the qualies at bercy

Ditto Madrid.

Whether he'll try to qualify or skip them is still up in the air.

Nada about anything in the newspapers - if/where he's training right now, whether he'll try to qualify.

ChinoRios4Ever
09-21-2006, 01:29 AM
i think nico will be in at Madrid
look AGASSI was in the ATL list, also Stepanek is out of season, and many players always skip Madrid....
also Nico had one of his best results of his carrer in this tournament

kidnicky
09-21-2006, 03:06 AM
well Lovely told me that Nico is on the qualifiers list for Bercy but I haven't checked yet, but I know that it's true so it seems that he'll be playing there :p

everytime that I post here I have to say that I hate rankings!! :ras:

NicoFan
09-25-2006, 09:52 PM
For the week of 9/25 - Nico stays at 45.

kidnicky
09-25-2006, 10:15 PM
Thanks NicoFan, I didn't check it 'cause I was afraid to watch the ranking thing again :o

ChinoRios4Ever
10-02-2006, 03:14 AM
no update, cause nico has the same points breakdown

but he gain 1 position, now is 44 :banana:

kidnicky
10-02-2006, 03:21 AM
:haha: ok I'll laugh for the rest of the week, now I know why he isn't playing ... he doesn't play and went up one place, he plays and he goes down so now I get it :rolls: .... this ranking thing is just hillarious :rolleyes:

thanks for the infor No1Rios!

16681
10-02-2006, 03:27 AM
This is a great place to come to try to understand ranking because there are people here who know where a player in this case Nico will be ranked before the ATP Site lists the rankings. Since that one Tournament Final didn't get played the ATP Site doesn't have it rankings up yet. And I'm lost without the ATP Site :sad:

Sparko1030
10-02-2006, 02:08 PM
:haha: ok I'll laugh for the rest of the week, now I know why he isn't playing ... he doesn't play and went up one place, he plays and he goes down so now I get it :rolls: .... this ranking thing is just hillarious :rolleyes:

thanks for the infor No1Rios!

:smash: Silly us, huh Kid!!! I guess Nico doesn't have to play and he'll soon be back in the top 30. :rolleyes: Love Ya Nico but I am puzzled by the loooooong vacation.....

kidnicky
10-02-2006, 02:24 PM
You're taking vacations again this week Sparko so let the boy take his vacations :smash: :rolls: just kidding ... but No1Rios explained to me that even he'd get to the finals this week he'd go up just 1 or 2 places so that's why I'm not as puzzled as you for taking another week off :p

Alx
10-02-2006, 02:36 PM
If I'm puzzled about another week off, it's not about Nico's ranking. I just think he needs to get used with the surface and I worry a little about what he makes for more than one month in south america. I'm not really sure he works hard since he lost in USO :shrug:

ChinoRios4Ever
10-02-2006, 05:39 PM
You're taking vacations again this week Sparko so let the boy take his vacations :smash: :rolls: just kidding ... but No1Rios explained to me that even he'd get to the finals this week he'd go up just 1 or 2 places so that's why I'm not as puzzled as you for taking another week off :p

i think nico must focus in the next 2 AMS, if he win a couple of matches there can add lot of points, in stockholm and lyon needs to win 3 or more matches to get some points for his ranking

kidnicky
10-02-2006, 05:46 PM
thanks again for that No1Rios :yeah:

Alx
10-02-2006, 06:09 PM
i think nico must focus in the next 2 AMS, if he win a couple of matches there can add lot of points, in stockholm and lyon needs to win 3 or more matches to get some points for his ranking
Yes, but for the moment, with his rank, he plays neither in Madrid or in Paris. And even if he plays there, he needs some matches to play well there.

NicoFan
10-02-2006, 10:19 PM
i think nico must focus in the next 2 AMS, if he win a couple of matches there can add lot of points, in stockholm and lyon needs to win 3 or more matches to get some points for his ranking

No1Rios - he has to get into the Masters Series events before he can do well in them.

He's not on the qualifying list for Madrid - and there is no guarantee that anyone will drop out.

And we'll have to see if he signs up for the qualifying list for Paris.

He hasn't done well at a Masters Series event since 2003. He should have gone to the smaller tournaments especially Palermo (even though it was clay) - with that poor entry list, he could have picked up a lot of points. He's got to start looking towards next year and getting seeded for the Oz open. Even 3 or 4 places at each of the small tournaments would have been something.

I'm with Alx - he needed to get used to the surface. All these other guys have been playing on indoor hard - and it takes Nico time to get used to a surface.

16681
10-03-2006, 04:37 AM
As of 10/02/06 the ATP Site shows Nico's ranking as #44 which is up 1 position :)

ChinoRios4Ever
10-08-2006, 04:59 PM
tomorrow Nico will be 45...

kidnicky
10-09-2006, 01:36 AM
rankings rankings rankings :ras: :rolleyes:

ChinoRios4Ever
10-15-2006, 04:01 PM
Nico stays at #45 this week

doris_hdz
10-15-2006, 04:22 PM
:wavey:

VAMOS NICO A SUBIR EN EL RANKING...TU PUEDES!!!

kidnicky
10-16-2006, 01:40 AM
Thanks for the info No1Rios .... Nico :hug:

NicoFan
10-23-2006, 01:08 AM
October 23 - still at 45.

kidnicky
10-23-2006, 02:39 AM
well at least he is still there :p thanks for the info NicoFan ;)

ChinoRios4Ever
10-23-2006, 03:16 AM
UPDATING..... Nico ranking breakdown, he stills at #45

45. Nicolas Massu 795

Points in the Grand Slams and Masters Series:
2006 Australian Open 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Indian Wells 20 pts 2nd
2006 AMS Miami 35 pts 3rd
2006 AMS Monte-Carlo 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Rome 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Hamburg 5 pts 1st
2006 French Open 75 pts 3rd
2006 Wimbledon 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Canada 5 pts 1st
2006 AMS Cincinnati 5 pts 1st
2006 US Open 35 pts 2nd
2006 AMS Madrid 35 pts 2nd (NEW)
2005 AMS Paris-Bercy 5 pts 1st

His 5 non grand slams and masters series event:
2006 Costa do Sauipe 175 pts WINNER
2006 Viña del Mar 120 pts Final
2006 Casablanca 120 pts Final
2006 Amersfoort 120 pts Final
2006 New Haven 50 PTS QF

TOTAL PTS: 825

19 Tournament: 2006 Bastad 40 pts QF

Points to defend this week: 0

NicoFan
10-23-2006, 10:52 PM
Thanks for all the info!!! :hug:

NicoFan
10-29-2006, 07:13 PM
October 30 - Judio has Nico going up to 43! :yeah:

I would have loved to see him above 40 by the end of the year - but alas, with this draw in Paris-Bercy, that will be hard to do. We can hope though and send our pumpkin very positive vibes!!!! :hug:

And maybe he can help himself a bit by doing a couple challengers before the end of the year??? Yes, I know...never will happen. :rolleyes:

Fergie
10-30-2006, 12:32 AM
2 places! :yeah:

kidnicky
10-30-2006, 12:53 AM
Finaaaaally!! I enter to this thread and I find something good :lol: something is something and 2 places are good :yeah:

I agree with you NicoFan, he desearved to have ended the year with a better ranking even more since he worked very hard but with this ATP conspiracy against him with the stupid draws we can't hope that much, but still I'll be sending cosmic vibes to him!! :hug:

ChinoRios4Ever
10-30-2006, 06:07 PM
im having problems with my pc

nico is #43 now, he has the same breakdown of points

ChinoRios4Ever
11-03-2006, 01:06 AM
nico will finish the season with a year-end #44 rank
no bad considering his bad results in the big tournaments in 2006

GO NICO IN 2007!!!! HE WILL BACK INTO TOP 20!!!! :bounce: :banana: :yeah:

doris_hdz
11-03-2006, 04:23 AM
buena suerte Nico..en el proximo año .....

kidnicky
11-03-2006, 01:19 PM
well this isn't that bad ;) thanks for the info No1Rios

Good luck in 2007 Nico!! Vamoooos!!!!! :rocker2:

ChinoRios4Ever
11-03-2006, 02:52 PM
ESPECTACULAR AVATAR DORIS!!!!! :yeah:

ChinoRios4Ever
11-04-2006, 06:38 PM
the final breakdown of points of 2006

44. Nicolas Massu
Points in the Grand Slams and Masters Series:
Australian Open 5 pts 1st
AMS Indian Wells 20 pts 2nd
AMS Miami 35 pts 3rd
AMS Monte-Carlo 5 pts 1st
AMS Rome 5 pts 1st
AMS Hamburg 5 pts 1st
French Open 75 pts 3rd
Wimbledon 5 pts 1st
AMS Canada 5 pts 1st
AMS Cincinnati 5 pts 1st
US Open 35 pts 2nd
AMS Madrid 35 pts 2nd
AMS Paris-Bercy 5 pts 1st

His 5 non grand slams and masters series event:
Costa do Sauipe 175 pts WINNER
Viña del Mar 120 pts Final
Casablanca 120 pts Final
Amersfoort 120 pts Final
New Haven 50 PTS QF

19 Tournament: Bastad 40 pts QF

TOTAL PTS: 825

kidnicky
11-06-2006, 02:50 AM
Thanks for the info No1Rios ;)

ChinoRios4Ever
01-07-2007, 12:30 AM
new year... NEW RANK!!!!

nico will up to #42 on monday...

he will play in Auckland next week, he needs to reach SF or better to add some points....

kidnicky
01-07-2007, 08:57 PM
so he went up 2 places?!?! I'll definetely never get this ranking system :haha: thank God that No1Rios is always here :p

VAmoooos Nicooo!!!

NicoFan
01-07-2007, 09:01 PM
:lol:

I know - crazy, eh?

Gracias to No1Rios for posting the rankings. :hug:

ChinoRios4Ever
01-07-2007, 09:20 PM
some players dont defend his points... that's all

Nico dont defend points till Viña...

NicoFan
01-07-2007, 09:22 PM
Why doesn't he defend points here in Auckland? He made it to the quarterfinals last year.

ChinoRios4Ever
01-07-2007, 09:28 PM
his last non GS and AMS tournament is 50 pts from New Haven QF
in Auckland he gain only 40 pts for the QF...

i posted this recently... he needs to reach SF or better in Auckland to add some points...

Alx
01-07-2007, 09:28 PM
only the 5 best results except GS and TMS count for the ranking. He had a lot of good results in this tournaments in 2006

NicoFan
01-07-2007, 10:03 PM
Okay...

I will never understand the ranking system.

So from now on, I'm just going to look at his ranking and Monday morning and forget about the rest. :lol:

What a stupid system... :ras:

ChinoRios4Ever
01-07-2007, 10:22 PM
it's so complicated nicofan

but i had experience from the past when Marcelo R1OS battle for the number 1 spot and the chilean press explain the points breakdown a lot...

NicoFan
01-07-2007, 10:30 PM
It's complicated and now the round robins are math based too.

I don't like math. :sad:

Tennis is supposed to be fun, not a math class. :lol:

But glad you understand it, and :yeah: to the Chilean press who were able to figure it out and explain it to everyone in Chile.

Maybe the ATP can publish a book: Rankings For Dummies. :lol:

(There's a popular books series here in the States that has every subject covered. Geometry for Dummies, Knitting for Dummies, Baseball for Dummies, etc. etc. Explains everything in a very simple way. So I'm not insulting anyone. ;) :lol: )

ChinoRios4Ever
01-07-2007, 10:33 PM
:haha: :haha:

i know that the RR format was easy to understand, but i saw that it's too complicated...

kidnicky
01-08-2007, 01:41 PM
I do the same NicoFan I only look his ranking and forget the rest ... I'll never understand the stupid ranking system :ras: :haha:

ChinoRios4Ever
01-29-2007, 01:38 AM
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? NICO UP ONE POSITION TO #42!!!! :banana: :bounce:

but... DANGER DANGER!!!!! this week defends 120 points from last year Viña final....

ChinoRios4Ever
01-29-2007, 01:43 AM
42. Nicolas Massu 825

Points in the Grand Slams and Masters Series:
5 pts 1st Australian Open 07
20 pts 2nd AMS Indian Wells 06
35 pts 3rd AMS Miami 06
5 pts 1st AMS Monte-Carlo 06
5 pts 1st AMS Rome 06
5 pts 1st AMS Hamburg 06
75 pts 3rd French Open 06
5 pts 1st Wimbledon 06
5 pts 1st AMS Canada 06
5 pts 1st AMS Cincinnati 06
35 pts 2nd US Open 06
35 pts 2nd AMS Madrid 06
5 pts 1st AMS Paris-Bercy 06

His 5 non grand slams and masters series event:
175 pts WINNER Costa do Sauipe 06
120 pts Final Viña del Mar 06
120 pts Final Casablanca 06
120 pts Final Amersfoort 06
50 pts QF New Haven 06

19 Tournament: 40 pts QF Bastad 06

Points to defend this week: 120 pts Final Viña del Mar 06

TOTAL PTS: 825

NicoFan
01-29-2007, 01:45 AM
No problema...he'll get those 120 points - and more cuz he's going to win! :fiery:

kidnicky
01-29-2007, 01:48 AM
Of course NicoFan :fiery: :yeah:

Thanks to the stupid ranking system this week for that spot that Nico got :p

ChinoRios4Ever
01-29-2007, 01:57 AM
remember this.. nico will win viña :yeah:

VAMOS NICO FIGHT!!!!! :fiery:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-05-2007, 02:47 AM
remember this.. nico will win viña :yeah:


i was close :sad: runner up again

nico still at #42 with the same breakdown of points

ChinoRios4Ever
02-05-2007, 02:57 AM
42. NICOLAS MASSU 825

Points in the Grand Slams and Masters Series:
5 pts 1st Australian Open 07
20 pts 2nd AMS Indian Wells 06
35 pts 3rd AMS Miami 06
5 pts 1st AMS Monte-Carlo 06
5 pts 1st AMS Rome 06
5 pts 1st AMS Hamburg 06
75 pts 3rd French Open 06
5 pts 1st Wimbledon 06
5 pts 1st AMS Canada 06
5 pts 1st AMS Cincinnati 06
35 pts 2nd US Open 06
35 pts 2nd AMS Madrid 06
5 pts 1st AMS Paris-Bercy 06

His 5 non grand slams and masters series event:
175 pts WINNER Costa do Sauipe 06
120 pts Final Viña del Mar 07 (NEW)
120 pts Final Casablanca 06
120 pts Final Amersfoort 06
50 pts QF New Haven 06

19 Tournament: 40 pts QF Bastad 06

Points to defend this week: 0 DC week

TOTAL PTS: 825

16681
02-06-2007, 02:14 AM
Yes I was surprised and disappointed that his recent wins didn't raise his ranking any at all :sad:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-18-2007, 03:21 PM
:haha: Nico up to #39 with the same breakdown of points but...

he defends 135 pts from last year Costa de Sauipe title :scared:

if he dont pass the RR will be out of the top 50 on monday 26....

kidnicky
02-19-2007, 03:11 AM
39 and without playing :rolleyes: I hate this ranking thing, and even more now that he's out from BAires and will lose all thos points :sad:

oh Nico please be well sooon !!! :hug:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-19-2007, 05:25 PM
well Nico retired of Baires he will lose 175 pts from Brasil title, and he will add 40 pts from Bastad's QF his 19th tournament

he will be between 53-58 next week :sad:, maybe worse... it depends of the other players

kidnicky
02-19-2007, 05:29 PM
:bigcry:

Fergie
02-19-2007, 05:29 PM
Out of top-50, noo :bigcry:

Sparko1030
02-19-2007, 06:36 PM
:sobbing: I know its best he not play BA but I hate to see his ranking slip under 50.

NicoFan
02-19-2007, 11:54 PM
I hate to see his ranking slip too, but I think he can make a lot of it up in Acapulco. Or I hope so.

Nico has to straight again from scratch so this may be the push he needs to get it done.

Nico.... :hug: :hug:

kidnicky
02-20-2007, 01:56 AM
Hopefully he'll play the next week and get some wins, not only for me :p also because No1Rios said that Acapulco gives more points (or something like that :lol: )

Nico we love you :hug:

ChinoRios4Ever
02-20-2007, 02:23 AM
Hopefully he'll play the next week and get some wins, not only for me :p also because No1Rios said that Acapulco gives more points (or something like that :lol: )

Nico we love you :hug:

Acapulco is an International Series Gold
gives: 1st: 0 pts, 2nd: 20 pts, QF: 60 pts, SF: 110 pts, F: 175 pts, W: 250 pts...

Nico needs to reach QF to add some points, next monday his 18th tournament will be Kitzbuhel 3rd rd 25 pts...

ChinoRios4Ever
02-25-2007, 11:30 PM
Nico fall to #53... :bigcry: tied with Clement according to the ATP rankings thread of Judio, i dont know who has the edge between this 2 players

53. NICOLAS MASSU 690

Points in the Grand Slams and Masters Series:
5 pts 1st Australian Open 07
20 pts 2nd AMS Indian Wells 06
35 pts 3rd AMS Miami 06
5 pts 1st AMS Monte-Carlo 06
5 pts 1st AMS Rome 06
5 pts 1st AMS Hamburg 06
75 pts 3rd French Open 06
5 pts 1st Wimbledon 06
5 pts 1st AMS Canada 06
5 pts 1st AMS Cincinnati 06
35 pts 2nd US Open 06
35 pts 2nd AMS Madrid 06
5 pts 1st AMS Paris-Bercy 06

His 5 non grand slams and masters series event:
120 pts Final Viña del Mar 07
120 pts Final Casablanca 06
120 pts Final Amersfoort 06
50 pts QF New Haven 06
40 pts QF Bastad 06

19 Tournament: 25 pts 3rd Kitzbuhel 06

Points to defend this week: 0

TOTAL PTS: 690

NicoFan
02-25-2007, 11:35 PM
Better than I thought - he was lucky no one around him did well this week.

Hopefully he'll make it up in Acapulco!!! :yeah:

ChinoRios4Ever
03-05-2007, 04:30 PM
Nico up to #50 after reach QF in Acapulco

50. NICOLAS MASSU 710

Points in the Grand Slams and Masters Series:
5 pts 1st Australian Open 07
20 pts 2nd AMS Indian Wells 06
35 pts 3rd AMS Miami 06
5 pts 1st AMS Monte-Carlo 06
5 pts 1st AMS Rome 06
5 pts 1st AMS Hamburg 06
75 pts 3rd French Open 06
5 pts 1st Wimbledon 06
5 pts 1st AMS Canada 06
5 pts 1st AMS Cincinnati 06
35 pts 2nd US Open 06
35 pts 2nd AMS Madrid 06
5 pts 1st AMS Paris-Bercy 06

His 5 non grand slams and masters series event:
120 pts Final Viña del Mar 07
120 pts Final Casablanca 06
120 pts Final Amersfoort 06
60 pts QF Acapulco 07 (NEW)
50 pts QF New Haven 06

19 Tournament: 40 pts QF Bastad 06

Points to defend this week: 20 pts 2nd AMS Indian Wells 06

TOTAL PTS: 710

Sparko1030
03-05-2007, 05:07 PM
:yeah: keep moving up Nico!

NicoFan
03-05-2007, 05:07 PM
That's good news!

All I want is for him to be ranked like 30-35...that way he gets into all the tournaments but doesn't have the pressure of being a top player...he can have some fun too.

kidnicky
03-05-2007, 05:33 PM
great news!!! :yeah: Vamooos Nico keep it going!!!

and I agree NicoFan, I would like it to see him higher in the ranking but there's a lot of pressure and I couldn't take it :o

NicoFan
03-05-2007, 05:56 PM
There's too much pressure at the top...or as Rafa calls it - too much "pression"... :lol: :lol:

kidnicky
03-05-2007, 06:07 PM
yeah it's better this way ... let the top ten die alone in the top :haha:

but we know Nico and we know that he loves the pression :lol:

NicoFan
03-05-2007, 06:15 PM
Of course there's pressure where Nico is now - trying to get back up the rankings is making him crazy too. :hug: for Nico...

kidnicky
03-05-2007, 06:35 PM
oh I know ... but at least all the torture week that he had (for my fault lol!) worthed for something, those 3 places help a looot :yeah:

NicoFan
03-17-2007, 03:33 PM
Will someone please explain to me why Nico is working his ass off in Sunrise and getting points - and he's moving down the ranking and getting NADA.

I hate the fucking ATP, I hate the fucking rankings system.

:mad:

They want to make the game more fan friendly then make a system that people can actually understand without getting a fucking PhD in math.

Brahna
03-17-2007, 03:46 PM
What do you mean?:eek:
If Nico wins the Sunrise Challenger, he will be 43, so he should be in the TMS Roma main draw. That's good news!:)
Anyway, I let the explanations for No1 Rios! :lol:

NicoFan
03-17-2007, 03:48 PM
I guess its the stupid 5th best thing again. Which I don't understand at all.

So he has to win the entire thing I guess - which is what latercera must have been talking about earlier when they said if he didn't win the entire thing it wouldn't mean anything (which I disagree with- just getting confidence is good too).

Sparko1030
03-17-2007, 05:29 PM
:scratch: I've given up trying to figure out how they arrive at ranking points (No1Rios seems to understand-he must be a math genuis :lol:) You're right of course Nicofan, even if he doesn't rise in rank, the confidence he's gaining at Sunrise is worth it. :yeah:

kidnicky
03-17-2007, 08:04 PM
see NicoFan I told you that it wouldn't help that much if Nico doesn't win the challenger but I gave up of trying to understand the stupid ranking thing :ras: the important thing, no matter what happens today, is that he's playing good, he is used to hardcourts now and that he has gained a loooooot of confidence that, like he says, Confidence in tennis is all!! :yeah:

ChinoRios4Ever
03-17-2007, 09:34 PM
Nico needs to reach the final at Sunrise to add some points (6 points in this case... not so much :lol:)

if he wins Sunrise he will win 30 points, is 80 points for winning the Sunrise challenger and he will replace that for the 50 points of New Haven's QF

ChinoRios4Ever
03-17-2007, 09:35 PM
if he wins Sunrise will be #47 according to Judio's stats

NicoFan
03-17-2007, 09:42 PM
Thanks for that.

Let me understand this -he lost the 20 points from IW. And now on top of it he has to defend 50 points from some freaking summer event?

This 50 points thing is stupid - so in New Haven will he have to defend those 50 points yet again? It's like freaking double jeopardy. :mad: :mad:

What a stupid system.

I like baseball and (American) football better - you win a game, you go up one game. You lose a game, you go down one game. You don't need a freaking PhD in math and keep track of 50 points here and there to understand it.

Poor Nico...you work so hard and get to the SFs but no he still gets nada.

Talk about being screwed over...

No wonder there's a huge difference between the top players and the bottom players. The bottom players get a little bit of luck for part of one year, and then they pay for it over and over and over again the next year. The way the system is set up, they can never get ahead. They are always lose points but in order to gain points have to defend some random points from months away. Brilliant system ATP... :rolleyes:

Nico is never going to go back up the rankings... :sad: The only way he'll go up is if he does well at a big event...and that never happens.

And this means Rome and Hamburg are out - he's not getting in either of those now - so he's out of MC, Rome and Hamburg. :sad: I thought he'd get these points and he'd get into at least Rome.

Why the fuck do these guys even try when the system is against them???

Brahna
03-17-2007, 09:53 PM
:haha: A new rant from NicoFan! :lol: :worship:

Don't worry Nico will play Roma, if he is not in the main draw, (but I'm sure he will), there will surely be enough withdrawal for let him enter in the main draw directly!;)

Have faith, NicoFan!;)

Thanks for the explanations No1 Rios, you were the only one able to answer NicoFan's question!;)

EDIT - Btw la Tercera says Nico will be 43 if he wins the Sunrise title! So... It's hard to figure out!

ChinoRios4Ever
03-17-2007, 10:04 PM
let's explain:

Sunrise it's only a CHALLENGER EVENT!!!!!, who gives only 80 points for the winner, because it's a $100.000 challenger, if Sunrise were a $125.000 will give 90 points to the winner

if Nico dont enter Monte-Carlo (he will enter for sure), Rome and Hamburg he will not count that points, he will count points of MM tournaments or challenger that he plays or played...

the top 50 ALWAYS WILL COUNT HIS 18 COUNTABLE TOURNAMENTS POINTS BETWEEN: 4 GS, 9 AMS and 5 MM tournaments, because the top 50 MUST NEED TO PLAY THOSE TOURNAMENTS BY RULE, the players outside the top 50 can add 18 free countable tournaments (if they dont play the 4 GS and 9 AMS)

for example if you had the points breakdown of Sergio Roitman (who is #70 or something like that now) you can see that he has maybe the 70% of his points from challenger events... when he start to play more big events like the GS and AMS he will replace that tournament points for the challenger events points... that was the case of Carlos Berlocq last year...

Nico has almost nothing on AMS, only a 3rd round in Miami and 2nd round in Madrid, the rest only 1st rounds in all AMS... he needs to play better in the AMS to get a better rank, vamos NICO!!!!!! :fiery:

PS1: La Tercera dont have ANY IDEA of Rankings points, El Mercurio is the better place to know about rankings from chilean press...

PS2: Nico lost 15 points of IW, not 20 points, losing in the 1st round of a AMS event means 5 points...

TommyB.
03-17-2007, 10:07 PM
The claycourt TMS are a good chance to earn some important ranking points. So let's pray for some direct spots there. :shrug:

ChinoRios4Ever
03-17-2007, 10:13 PM
if Nico stays in top 50 after Key Biscayne will enter all the european claycourt AMS for sure...

NicoFan
03-17-2007, 10:18 PM
Nico never does well in MS events...only a couple times.

So he's going to be in 50 hell forever.

Yet again...why bother.

He needs to find a new profession...

The way tennis is set up, only the big tournaments count.

I'd rather watch another sport. Where ALL games count...big or small. Doesn't matter if you play the first place team or the last place team...a point is a point is a point. They all count.

Brahna
03-17-2007, 10:19 PM
Thanks No1 Rios!:worship:
But I continue thinking that's not simple to figure out!:rolleyes:
Thanks God you're here! :lol:
Thanks for the tip, the next time, I'll check the ranking on el mercurio!;)

Brahna
03-17-2007, 10:22 PM
Nico never does well in MS events...only a couple times.
So he's going to be in 50 hell forever.
Yet again...why bother.
He needs to find a new profession...
The way tennis is set up, only the big tournaments count.
I'd rather watch another sport. Where ALL games count...big or small. Doesn't matter if you play the first place team or the last place team...a point is a point is a point. They all count.

You're sarcastic, NicoFan! :lol::rolleyes:

ChinoRios4Ever
03-17-2007, 10:29 PM
He needs to find a new profession...


:haha: :haha: :o

Sparko1030
03-17-2007, 10:38 PM
Thanks for all the explainations No1Rios-it is pretty complicated.

The system does seem much more messy than it needs to be IMO. I would think they could come up with a more straight forward system. :shrug: Still, if Kid were on right now I think she would remind us all to be positive :lol:

NicoFan
03-17-2007, 10:57 PM
It is too complicated.

Tennis...the fan friendly sport. :rolleyes:

We do have to be positive. But it's hard when the system is against guys like him. The top guys always do well in the big tournaments. The really low ranked players don't have many points to defend. It's the guys in the middle that seemed to get screwed.

I always rooted for top ranked players until Nico so never had to understand the system - they were always at the top so who cared about points. And never knew until I started to root for Nico how whacked out the system is and how it only helps the top players.

kidnicky
03-18-2007, 02:54 AM
so it seems that NicoFan wants to set up a bomb in the ATP offices right?? :lol: don't worry chica I'd help you with that any time :devil:

this stupid system is absurd, I'm always fighting about this and all the people keep telling me that all sports have ranking systems but again, no other sport has this stupid ranking system, what the hell Nico had to deffend points from NH now when we are like 5 months away from NH?!?!?! :mad: ... and besides, yeah the points of the fucking big tournaments, no matter if he could do great in a freaking MS after that we'd have to start putting candles in churches for praying to defend those points the next year so for me is pointless :ras: I still remember the stupid thing of defending the freaking points from the olympics when the olympics are played every 4 years so that's ridiculous :rolleyes:

I'm sick about the ranking thing and to be honest, I know that if he doesn't make it for the MS in clay he'd feel bad but I had a great week this time, Nico gaining confidence and improving his game so for me the MS can go to hell 'cause we always have the same winner there so I don't see the point to play them, just for the money :haha:

And finally, yes all of us have to be positive, no matter if it's difficult or not but beign so mad doesn't help Nico at all, he needs to feel our positive vibes :p and no matter what happened today I feel so proud of him 'cause maybe for the ATP this was a challenger, but not for me, the main draw was amazing and Nico had a great week :worship:

So for me the ATP can go to hell as usual and I'll stop trying to understand their stupid system .... I'll put a bomb there someday so they'd stop screwing Nico's life :rolls:

ChinoRios4Ever
03-19-2007, 01:10 AM
50. NICOLAS MASSU 695

Points in the Grand Slams and Masters Series:
5 pts 1st Australian Open 07
5 pts 1st AMS Indian Wells 07 (NEW)
35 pts 3rd AMS Miami 06
5 pts 1st AMS Monte-Carlo 06
5 pts 1st AMS Rome 06
5 pts 1st AMS Hamburg 06
75 pts 3rd French Open 06
5 pts 1st Wimbledon 06
5 pts 1st AMS Canada 06
5 pts 1st AMS Cincinnati 06
35 pts 2nd US Open 06
35 pts 2nd AMS Madrid 06
5 pts 1st AMS Paris-Bercy 06

His 5 non grand slams and masters series event:
120 pts Final Viña del Mar 07
120 pts Final Casablanca 06
120 pts Final Amersfoort 06
60 pts QF Acapulco 07 (NEW)
50 pts QF New Haven 06

19 Tournament: 40 pts QF Bastad 06

Points to defend this week: 35 pts 3rd AMS Miami 06

TOTAL PTS: 695

ChinoRios4Ever
03-19-2007, 01:11 AM
Nico stays at #50

he reached the SF at Sunrise Challenger, but it only gained 36 points, it's the 20th tournament of Nico... (the 2nd Non-countable tournament points)

Nico needs to win at least 2 matches in Miami to defend the point that he gained last year...

CRITICAL: Nico has 9 1st round loses in the 14 AMS and GS tournament... :sad:

NicoFan
03-19-2007, 12:55 PM
:sad:

He doesn't do well at MS or GS events.

Which is why I'm so surprised he's not playing in the Valencia tournament. He's hardly played this year, and he's giving himself more vacation? Instead of going to a tournament that he might have a chance to do well in because it's a smaller tournament?

For Nico then the clay season is going to be 3 MS events, Casablanca, Estoril, and RG.

But he's not getting into any of the 3 MS events because Mr. Disney changed it from 64 to 56 players in the draw. And even if he does get in, he never does well there...or hasn't in a long time.

RG is never good to him.

So that leaves only Casablanca and Estoril.

He's got final points to defend in Casablanca.

And Estoril is always a catastrophe for him.

I'm trying to belief, stay positive, be patient - but this is looking bad. :sad:

Kid is planning to go to Montreal...me too...but I highly doubt we'll see him there. His ranking situation by that time is going to be a disaster, and he won't get into Montreal or Cincy either because I think Mr. Disney's changes affect the number of men allowed in the draw at those tournaments too - but I'm not 100% certain of that.

Alx
03-19-2007, 01:20 PM
Nicofan - stay POSITIVE

It's not useful for Nico to play in Valencia for his ranking, he won't win any points unless he'll reach the semifinals. Of course, he could play some matches before Monte-Carlo...

And don't say that RG is never good for him and the others tournaments Estoril, Rome... He's trying to change his game and maybe this year, he'll have some good results there

STAY POSITIVE !

NicoFan
03-19-2007, 01:44 PM
I don't even want to know why he wouldn't get points in Valencia unless he makes it to the SFs since he didn't play that week last year so he shouldn't have to defend any points. :(

I'm sure it's more of the same - best 5 crap... :rolleyes:

NicoFan
03-20-2007, 12:40 AM
I have to clarify my post. :lol:

I'm not mad at Nico - sounds like I am. I'm frustrated for him, I feel bad for all the work he's doing but he never gets a break. The ranking system is stupid (my opinion), and with Mr. Disney changing things, he's not getting a break anywhere. :sad:

I was especially annoyed after reading this from Gael after he won Sunrise:

"I have good preparation, now I win here so during three days I am relax, I have to stay focused, keep practice hard and see what happens at the Ericsson," Monfils said. "Maybe [Sunrise] is a little bit lower tournament, but anyway if you win, you win a lot of points. And I think sometimes players forget if you win the tournament it's like winning third round in Indian Wells. I think it's a good idea to come here, because there's a lot of good players here so it's not really a similar challenger — I think it's very strong."

So nice that Monfils who is ranked near Nico got his points, but Nico gets nothing even though he made it to the SFs. So I was just annoyed and had to rant. :lol:

kidnicky
03-20-2007, 02:30 AM
NicoFan believe me that it's better if we don't find out the explanation of why Nico only could add some points to his ranking if he reaches the semis in Valencia :o but Alx said it and I'm sure that that's why Nico isn't on that entry list, so the ranking system is "helping" a lot again :ras:

and chica stay possitive like Alx said, you never know what could happen, the last year his ranking was even worse and he made it to all the stupid MS events :lol: and he was in Toronto remeber?? :rolls: so just do like I do, stop trying to figure out the great system that the ATP is handling right now :shrug:

NicoFan
03-20-2007, 12:11 PM
You're right - you never know what will happen.

But remember like I said - you can't compare last year with this year because of Mr. Disney's changes - he's reduced the fields from 64 to 56 - because there are 8 less spots, if Nico's ranking doesn't improve, he's not getting in to any of the MS events for the spring or summer. And also last year, Nico was moving up in the rankings - this year, he's moving down in the rankings.

kidnicky
03-20-2007, 02:26 PM
I'm not comparing the years it was just an example that everything could happen :lol: … so again don't worry (for the moment) and stay positive! :yeah:

Sparko1030
03-20-2007, 04:00 PM
How does reducing the field of players in a MS event make it a better event for fans??????? Can ANYONE tell me if De Villars "improvements" are making tennis more popular? What, he thinks his "innovations" will attract new fans? enough to replace the ones that leave due to disgust with it all???:mad:

(nothing new in the rant but I had to get it out :lol: )

NicoFan
03-20-2007, 04:20 PM
De Villiers wants all the emphasis on the top players.

He says that people don't come to see the lower ranked players.

Brahna
03-20-2007, 04:27 PM
De Villiers wants all the emphasis on the top players.
He says that people don't come to see the lower ranked players.

It's hard to believe Mr Mickey understands and loves tennis!:rolleyes:
One thing's for sure, he doesn't understands fans!:rolleyes: I'd like to know if he'd done a survey for telling that!:rolleyes:
Of course we like too see the Top players, but the others too!:rolleyes:

kidnicky
03-20-2007, 04:53 PM
actually I'm one of the big amount of fans that go to the tournaments to see the players outside the top ten :p :tape:

stupid stupid Mr. Disney ... asshole! :ras: