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Sesil Karatancheva banned for 2 years

basil333
01-11-2006, 05:53 PM
Hi I KNOW this is Mens Tennis Forum and not the Womens Tennis Forum but I notice that this topic has not appeared here to be discussed, dissected and blown out of all total proportion (yet).

I would like to state to all the Argentinian Tennis Player Bashers that
Sesil is NOT An Argentine Tennis Player... and SHE TOO has been given a 2 year ban.

SO please bear this in mind and address the fact that another Tennis Player has NOW been banned for 2 years for drug related offences and she that holds a BULGARIAN Passport - no connections to Argentina that I can see.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/4545548.stm

Please remember this fact next time there is a Mens Scandal.

My post in no way condones or appauds Sesils' actions nor proves my support or grief for her actions. This post is purely to state to the Argentine Tennis Player Bashers that Other countries players get caught and banned too.


Thank You


Argentine Tennis Player Fan.

Phunkadelicious
01-11-2006, 05:53 PM
:eek: wow

Mistaflava
01-11-2006, 05:57 PM
great news. That bitch should be banned for life. Put her and Puerta back where they belong. Fuckin cheaters!



:worship:

A_Skywalker
01-11-2006, 06:01 PM
She's from my country , but she has a bad language so i dont support her , she's very unpleasant with the other tennis players .

lilfairyprincess
01-11-2006, 06:03 PM
o my goodness :eek:

Denaon
01-11-2006, 06:08 PM
Mistaflava :rolleyes: , you're talking about a girl....
Sesil was 15 when she got caught...and obviously bad influenced.....she'll return to the circuit by 18 and will start her career again. If there's anything good for her is that she was caught very young, she'll hopefully learn a lot from this.
And as I said about Puerta's case, I sincerely hope that if this will be the politic on doping, let the ITF be fair and square for once and for all. All rules must be applied exactly the same to all.

lilfairyprincess
01-11-2006, 06:10 PM
Mistaflava :rolleyes: , you're talking about a girl....
Sesil was 15 when she got caught...and obviously bad influenced.....she'll return to the circuit by 18 and will start her career again. If there's anything good for her is that she was caught very young, she'll hopefully learn a lot from this.
And as I said about Puerta's case, I sincerely hope that if this will be the politic on doping, let the ITF be fair and square for once and for all. All rules must be applied exactly the same to all.

denaon :worship:

:yeah:

mangoes
01-11-2006, 06:13 PM
:eek: Shocking to say the least. I guess they didn't buy her pregnancy excuse or the doctor's note didn't check out :confused:

Mistaflava
01-11-2006, 06:13 PM
what does it matter? Being a girl is supposed to make it okay? I don't understand?

Mistaflava
01-11-2006, 06:14 PM
:eek: Shocking to say the least. I guess they didn't buy her pregnancy excuse or the doctor's note didn't check out :confused:


:haha:

cobalt60
01-11-2006, 06:15 PM
what does it matter? Being a girl is supposed to make it okay? I don't understand?
Maybe it has nothing to do with gender but how it was posted/stated? ;)

Mistaflava
01-11-2006, 06:16 PM
Maybe it has nothing to do with gender but how it was posted/stated? ;)


I have no respect for cheaters in Tennis, so she doesn't deserve respectful posting...

Aleksa's Laydee
01-11-2006, 06:18 PM
Stupid girl :rolleyes:

Jim Jones
01-11-2006, 06:21 PM
Come on guys have some compassion, the poor girl had a baby when she was 15 years old. Why are you people so heartless????? :lol: :wink:

mangoes
01-11-2006, 06:24 PM
Come on guys have some compassion, the poor girl had a baby when she was 15 years old. Why are you people so heartless????? :lol: :wink:

I must give her credit for originality ;) Way better excuse than Puerta.

***************
Well the news has made Yahoo America main news. Here is the article:

Karatantcheva banned two years for doping

By CHRIS LEHOURITES, AP Sports Writer
January 11, 2006

LONDON (AP) -- French Open quarterfinalist Sesil Karatantcheva was banned for two years after twice testing positive for the steroid nandrolone.

The 16-year-old Bulgarian failed one drug test after losing at Roland Garros on May 31, then failed an out-of-competition test in Tokyo on July 5, the International Tennis Federation said Wednesday. Both tests were treated as a first offense by an ITF tribunal that met Dec. 14-15 in London.

The ban took effect Jan. 1, and the ITF said she has three weeks to appeal.

Karatantcheva, who is in Bulgaria, did not comment. She and her father, also her coach, were expected to speak at a news conference Thursday. The Bulgarian Tennis Federation also declined comment.

Karatantcheva beat Venus Williams in the third round at the French Open and lost to Russia's Elena Likhovtseva in the quarters. She was the seventh youngest French Open quarterfinalist in the Open era. Her results at Roland Garros will be nullified and she will forfeit prize money and ranking points won since that tournament.

The ITF said its tribunal "rejected the player's defenses but determined that the two offenses would be treated as one single first offense for sanctioning purposes."

In December, Argentine player Mariano Puerta was banned for eight years for his second doping offense, in effect ending his career. He was the first tennis player to receive a ban of more than two years.

Karatantcheva, ranked 41st, has never won a WTA Tour title, but her showing at the French Open made her a player to watch. She lost in the second round at Wimbledon and the U.S. Open.

Before a third-round match against Maria Sharapova in Indian Wells, Calif., in 2004, the then 14-year-old Karatantcheva vulgarly pledged to beat the Russian because of a perceived slight during training. Sharapova won that match and also defeated her at Wimbledon last year.

Karatantcheva spends six months training in Sofia, Bulgaria, and the other half of the year in Sarasota, Fla., at Nick Bolletieri's Tennis Academy.

Her parents are champion Bulgarian athletes -- her father in rowing, her mother in volleyball.

Corswandt
01-11-2006, 06:29 PM
Obviously that was a lie because if that were the truth, I really don't see how they could justify banning her unless it is against the rules to get pregnant.

They did a pregnancy test on the urine samples in question and the result was negative.

Mistaflava
01-11-2006, 06:31 PM
you would expect more class on the women's tour...

Damita
01-11-2006, 06:34 PM
:eek: Shocking to say the least. I guess they didn't buy her pregnancy excuse or the doctor's note didn't check out :confused:
From the French edition of tennis Magazine: when she was tested positive in RG and claimed that she was pregnant, the laboratory of Chatenay Malabry, which does the doping tests in RG, did a pregnancy test. It was negative.

I agree with Denaon. Rules must apply the same way for everyone. she's still young, hopefully she'll learn from that.

mangoes
01-11-2006, 06:34 PM
They did a pregnancy test on the urine samples in question and the result was negative.


Oh, that's a good one. What a way to get busted!!!! :lol: :lol: You know, I just don't know why, when people are going to lie and cheat, they don't line their ducks up in a row before doing so.

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2006, 06:36 PM
The people who should be punished in this situation probably won't be.

Mistaflava
01-11-2006, 06:39 PM
Wise words from madame Malkin



:worship:

mangoes
01-11-2006, 06:40 PM
The people who should be punished in this situation probably won't be.

agree

Vass
01-11-2006, 06:40 PM
SO please bear this in mind and address the fact that another Tennis Player has NOW been banned for 2 years for drug related offences and she that holds a Russian Passport - no connections to Argentina that I can see.

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She's BULGERIAN

shotgun
01-11-2006, 06:41 PM
She'll get over it, she's still young.

Mistaflava
01-11-2006, 06:44 PM
She'll get over it, she's still young.


no she wont. She'll probably get into prostituion and drugs

musefanatic
01-11-2006, 06:48 PM
This is quite shocking, saying she's pregnant to get out of it, come on! She'll be back in no time though, i doubt her career will suffer from it.

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2006, 06:54 PM
Wise words from madame Malkin



:worship:
Sometimes it's exhausting being right all the time. :angel:

On a serious note, even though I feel that the people who are mostly responsible for this situation will not be dealt with accordingly, Sesil obviously can't go unpunished herself. Even if she may have been influenced by those who were handling her, she still had the drug in her system, and to let that go unpunished would set a dangerous precedent for other young players. That said, I hope they are able to appeal the length of the sentence down.

Bubba08
01-11-2006, 06:57 PM
I am not sure that it was the best decision in this case, time will tell.:awww:

R.Federer
01-11-2006, 06:59 PM
So, L'equipe goes 3 out of 4 this year (Hood, Puerta, Sesil)
Now the burden of proof square shifts to the strong arms of Armstrong.... I have never wanted to believe newpaper over the person, but L'equipe has put on a good record in the dope-outing this past year

Bubba08
01-11-2006, 07:00 PM
no she wont. She'll probably get into prostituion and drugs
:rolleyes: so funny.

R.Federer
01-11-2006, 07:03 PM
On a serious note, even though I feel that the people who are mostly responsible for this situation will not be dealt with accordingly, Sesil obviously can't go unpunished herself. Even if she may have been influenced by those who were handling her, she still had the drug in her system, and to let that go unpunished would set a dangerous precedent for other young players. That said, I hope they are able to appeal the length of the sentence down.

I suspect that a 15 year old did not know where to get the dope supply herself, and was given this by her coach/parents (who are her sometime-coach)/advisors

But the fact that she was prepared with the "I am pregnant" answer shows that she was somehow complicit-- VERY few people know that pregnancy creates nandrolone (I am 6.5 months pregnant, and I did not know! and I read up everything!)-- and she was prepared with that information by her advisors, in case she got busted. But when you are pregnant, the body also created beta-HCG, which is not a steroid, and which is what pregnancy tests test for

I think 2 years is reasonable. There aretwo incidents, and ITF treats that as 1 offense, which is lenient of them

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2006, 07:11 PM
:rolleyes: so funny.
I thought it was a little funny ;)

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2006, 07:13 PM
I suspect that a 15 year old did not know where to get the dope supply herself, and was given this by her coach/parents (who are her sometime-coach)/advisors

And that is who I was talking about when I said that the people who should truly be punished in this case more than likely won't be.

But the fact that she was prepared with the "I am pregnant" answer shows that she was somehow complicit-- VERY few people know that pregnancy creates nandrolone (I am 6.5 months pregnant, and I did not know! and I read up everything!)-- and she was prepared with that information by her advisors, in case she got busted. But when you are pregnant, the body also created beta-HCG, which is not a steroid, and which is what pregnancy tests test for

I'm aware of all of this. I don't doubt that she knew what she was taking, and that is why I agree that it was right of the ITF to punish her sternly.

I think 2 years is reasonable. There aretwo incidents, and ITF treats that as 1 offense, which is lenient of them

I think a year would have been fine, considering the possible circumstances here. Either way she has time to come back from this though, so we'll see.

R.Federer
01-11-2006, 07:16 PM
ITF as far as I know only has domain over the professional athelete, so even if they are aware it is other people giving Sesill dope, I don't think they can legally prosecute anyone except the professional athelete involve

Never theless, if her parents are truly the one behind all this, they are getting the punishment they deserve: they can stop to see the $$$$ in their eyes for a while now. How terrible. What parents are these, if they are the ones behind it?

1sun
01-11-2006, 07:25 PM
so shes a cheat and a fucking whore? all at the age of 16? :haha:

Grinder
01-11-2006, 07:28 PM
I can't stand her, glad she's banned for two years, her excuse sucked as well. Only wish it would have been longer.

1sun
01-11-2006, 07:29 PM
bollocks, shes 16 not 6. she knows right from wrong.

Chloe le Bopper
01-11-2006, 07:30 PM
bollocks, shes 16 not 6. she knows right from wrong.
I don't think that anybody denies that. But anybody who knows a lick about the womens tour realizes that a 16 year old girl on tour is not calling most of her own shots. I highly doubt that she came up with the idea to dope, found the drugs, and begun taking them all on her own. That doesn't mean she's not responsible for her actions, merely that other people probably are too.

Papakori
01-11-2006, 07:31 PM
so shes a cheat and a fucking whore? all at the age of 16? :haha:
:haha: :haha:

I felt sorry for her when I saw that match at Wimbledon on TV this year when she was crying because she was playing bad against Maria. I can't believe I felt sorry for her .

I heard she was a bitch to some fans as well

1sun
01-11-2006, 07:39 PM
I don't think that anybody denies that. But anybody who knows a lick about the womens tour realizes that a 16 year old girl on tour is not calling most of her own shots. I highly doubt that she came up with the idea to dope, found the drugs, and begun taking them all on her own. That doesn't mean she's not responsible for her actions, merely that other people probably are too.
sure they may have been other influences(but also they may not have been), but the bottom line is that she took the drugs(im pretty sure somebody didnt physicaly force her to take them), she knew they were illegal and she knew what the consqeuences would be of her actions. therefore i have no sympthy for her.

Marine
01-11-2006, 07:45 PM
Merci l'Equipe. ;)

basil333
01-11-2006, 08:03 PM
She's BULGERIAN

Sorry my mistake...

shotgun
01-11-2006, 08:04 PM
She's BULGERIAN

No, she's not. She's BULGARIAN.

basil333
01-11-2006, 08:05 PM
Either way - my first post has been corrected :)

bellascarlett
01-11-2006, 08:35 PM
:haha: :haha:

I felt sorry for her when I saw that match at Wimbledon on TV this year when she was crying because she was playing bad against Maria. I can't believe I felt sorry for her .

I heard she was a bitch to some fans as well

I didnt know she was crying in her match against Maria? she was?

uNIVERSE mAN
01-11-2006, 08:35 PM
"We have no information at this time regarding a positive antidoping test for Sesil Karatantcheva," said the Federation in a press release.

"The Federation gives it's support to Sesil, as her excellent performances in the biggest tournaments in the world have brought much joy to aspiring players in Bulgaria.

"We sincerely hope that this news in the French press will not be confirmed".

Confirmed Motherfuckers!!!

A_Skywalker
01-11-2006, 08:38 PM
No, she's not. She's BULGARIAN.

Exactly - bulgarian , bulgerian is the pronounciation .

Jennay
01-11-2006, 09:08 PM
Sesil! :fiery: :rolleyes:

Too bad, I like her. She deserves the punishment, though.

sigmagirl91
01-11-2006, 09:52 PM
Sometimes it's exhausting being right all the time. :angel:

On a serious note, even though I feel that the people who are mostly responsible for this situation will not be dealt with accordingly, Sesil obviously can't go unpunished herself. Even if she may have been influenced by those who were handling her, she still had the drug in her system, and to let that go unpunished would set a dangerous precedent for other young players. That said, I hope they are able to appeal the length of the sentence down.

For a blatant lie like that, the sentence should stay at two years-appeal or not.

Devotee
01-11-2006, 10:21 PM
For what it's worth, here's yet one more article, from TennisWeek.com



Karatantcheva Suspended Two Years For Drug Offense

http://www.sportsmediainc.net/tennisweek/KARATANTCHEVArg05SMullane.jpg
Photo By Susan Mullane By Richard Pagliaro
01/12/2006

Sesil Karatantcheva was a player with a promising future when she upset Venus Williams en route to the Roland Garros quarterfinals in her French Open debut last year. Now, the 16-year-old Karatantcheva's immediate future will be spent serving a two-year suspension from tennis for violating tennis' Anti-Doping Policy. Karatantcheva's two-year ban is the longest drug suspension of any woman tennis player in history.


An independent Anti-Doping Tribunal has ruled Karatantcheva committed a doping offense by testing positive for the banned steroid nandrolone in samples submitted on May 31st at Roland Garros and on July 5th in Tokyo.

Consequently, Karatantcheva has been suspended from tennis for two years and forfeits the $128,897 in prize money and all ranking points she earned both at Roland Garros and at tournaments after the French fortnight, the International Tennis Federation announced on Wednesday. In addition, Karatantcheva's Roland Garros results have been disqualified.

Karatantcheva, who has three weeks to file an appeal, will be eligible to return to professional tennis on January 1st, 2008. She will be just 18 years old when she completes her suspension and could conceivably mount a comeback. Karatantcheva and her father, who is her coach, are expected to make a statement at a press conference in Bulgaria on Thursday.

The ruling confirms a report published last month in the French sports daily L'Equipe that stated Karatantcheva had failed a drug test at the French Open. The 41st-ranked Bulgarian not only denied the L'Equipe story, she claimed she had not even testified before the Anti-Doping Tribunal, which convened December 14-15th in London.

"I am shocked. I have not appeared before any ITF judges," Karatantcheva told BGNes in comments published by the BBC last month. "The whole thing is an interpretation by the French (press), with whom I have never got along."

Karatantcheva claimed the high level of nandrolone was due to the fact she was unknowingly pregnant at the time and later suffered a miscarriage, according to the L'Equipe report. Pregnant women are known to produce higher levels of nandrolone, however the the L'Equipe story states a pregnancy test of Karatantcheva's urine sample conducted by a Châtenay-Malabry lab was negative.

The 2004 French Open junior champion tested positive for nandrolone after her 2-6, 6-4, 6-4, Roland Garros quarterfinal loss to 16th-seeded Elena Likhovtseva. That loss came just two rounds after the feisty 15-year-old Karatantcheva dumped the listless Williams from the Roland Garros draw with a 6-3, 1-6, 6-1 third-round victory. Playing in just the fifth Grand Slam match of her career, Karatantcheva competed with more conviction on the pivotal points and played cleaner tennis, committing just six unforced errors to 22 for Williams over the final set. She went on to score a 7-5, 6-3, fourth-round victory over Swiss veteran Emmanuelle Gagliardi to become the seventh youngest French Open quarterfinalist in Open Era history.

Following her positive test for nandrolone at the French Open, Karatantcheva submitted a second sample in an out-of-competition test conducted on July 5th in Tokyo and that sample also contained nandrolone.

The independent Tribunal, consisting of Mr. Tim Kerr QC, Dr. Anik Sax and Professor Vivian James "rejected the player’s defenses, but determined that the two offenses would be treated as one single first offense for sanctioning purposes," the ITF said in its statement announcing the suspension.

The second positive test was conducted a little more than a week after Karatantcheva's, 0-6, 1-6, loss to second-ranked Maria Sharapova at Wimbledon. Players participating at both Roland Garros and Wimbledon can be subject to multiple drug tests within a few weeks given the short turnaround time between the conclusion of the French Open and the start of Wimbledon.

"It might seem unusual to have two tests so quickly, but in fact players participating in both Roland Garros and Wimbledon could easily be tested in both and sometimes in the tour events between the two," an ITF spokesperson told Tennis Week today.

Karatantcheva concluded the season with a 28-16 record and a career-high rank of No. 35, reaching the round of 16 at Tier I events in Moscow and Zurich in the fall.

Tennis Week will update this story as more details, including Karatantcheva's testimony, become available. Public disclosure of the tribunal's decision may be delayed for legal reasons because Karatantcheva is a minor.

cobalt60
01-12-2006, 12:39 AM
I just saw an ad for her on the Tennis Channel- seems she is the next new "No Strings" episode. Wonder if 1. they will show it and 2. If there will be some sort of addition to it given what has happened.

Federerthebest
01-12-2006, 01:04 AM
I would like to state to all the Argentinian Tennis Player Bashers that
Sesil is NOT An Argentine Tennis Player... and SHE TOO has been given a 2 year ban.


lol yeah
this definitely means that there is no problem with doping in argentine tennis :)

Gigan
01-12-2006, 01:11 AM
lol yeah
this definitely means that there is no problem with doping in argentine tennis :)

this definitely means that you are just an idiot, our friend!
http://img.menstennisforums.com/mtf/customavatars/avatar17851_5.gif

Federerthebest
01-12-2006, 01:18 AM
this definitely means that you are just an idiot, our friend!

why you insult a fellow armenian, friend? :sad:

BlackSilver
01-12-2006, 01:26 AM
no she wont. She'll probably get into prostituion and drugs

:haha: :haha:

Deboogle!.
01-12-2006, 02:07 AM
I just saw an ad for her on the Tennis Channel- seems she is the next new "No Strings" episode. Wonder if 1. they will show it and 2. If there will be some sort of addition to it given what has happened.I think it may have already aired, even. I dunno if they'll remove it now, but I doubt it. I have no desire to see it - even the commercial is obnoxious.

I find this whole thing more sad than anything.

Devotee
01-12-2006, 02:36 AM
I think it may have already aired, even. I dunno if they'll remove it now, but I doubt it. I have no desire to see it - even the commercial is obnoxious.

I find this whole thing more sad than anything.


What's obnoxious about the commercial?

Deboogle!.
01-12-2006, 02:38 AM
What's obnoxious about the commercial?It's clips from the show and she's all "I'm irresistable!" and stuff like that. I just found it annoying and it didn't make me want to sit through a half-hour of that.

Devotee
01-12-2006, 02:43 AM
She'll get over it, she's still young.


very young & naive; she's bound to have heard of others being caught & banned

Devotee
01-12-2006, 02:46 AM
It's clips from the show and she's all "I'm irresistable!" and stuff like that. I just found it annoying and it didn't make me want to sit through a half-hour of that.


Well, since they reshow "No Strings" over & over again, you'll have plenty of chances to sit through a half-hour of that.

Deboogle!.
01-12-2006, 03:17 AM
Well, since they reshow "No Strings" over & over again, you'll have plenty of chances to sit through a half-hour of that.They sure do. Plenty of chances for me to change the channel :p

richard gasquet
01-12-2006, 09:00 AM
Merci l'Equipe. ;)

:angel:

Peoples
01-12-2006, 09:31 AM
What a ho, eh! Only 15, claiming to be pregnant and is full of nandrolone!

smarty06
01-12-2006, 11:16 AM
thats what i was thinking-she is a bit of a skank. claiming to be preganant at 15, it might have saved her the 2 year ban had she fooled them but it wouldnt do her any good as far as her morality is concerned

The Safinator
01-12-2006, 11:17 AM
Karatantcheva is a s*****d b***h! ITF must ban Sesil not for 2, but for min. 3 years. how can she takes a dopin while she'e only 15-16 years? in fact, she's very s****d and ugl*y girl!

shotgun
01-12-2006, 11:25 AM
What a ho, eh! Only 15, claiming to be pregnant and is full of nandrolone!

:haha:

A_Skywalker
01-12-2006, 04:28 PM
Karatantcheva is a stupid bitch! ITF must ban Sesil not for 2, but for min. 3 years. how can she takes a dopin while she'e only 15-16 years? in fact, she's very stupid and ugly girl!


She was pregnant :) , dont you know that this is something normal for a fifteen years old girl :)))) :devil: .

The Safinator
01-12-2006, 04:34 PM
She was pregnant :) , dont you know that this is something normal for a fifteen years old girl :)))) :devil: .

Oh, yeah, she was pregnant... yeah.. :haha: is there anyone who is gonna to have a s*x with Sesil? Maybe only the gipsies from Plovdiv and "Fakulteta" :cool:

prima donna
01-12-2006, 04:36 PM
Wow, Sesil not flying so high after her match against Venus in 2005 French Open was it ? :rolls: :haha:

Anyway, it's great to see the cheaters punished.

I relish and take pride in the fact that Mariano Puerta's career has been brought to an end. It's absolutely lovely news. It's time that Argentine tennis is punished, obviously there's something going on 'under the table' with their federation, maybe a free cycle of juice (steroids) comes as easily as a bottle of gatorade.

I do pity the girl, she has been somewhat victimized. It probably was not her decision, as opposed to a certain player on the WTA that's oh, 5'4" or 5'5" and says Allez a lot.

Aside from that, justice served. They are a despicable indictment for tennis, especially Puerta.

*Ljubica*
01-12-2006, 04:48 PM
Karatantcheva is a stupid bitch! ITF must ban Sesil not for 2, but for min. 3 years. how can she takes a dopin while she'e only 15-16 years? in fact, she's very stupid and ugly girl!

Whereas you are intelligent and handsome I suppose :rolleyes: And since when were the girl's looks in any way relevant to her case or her ability to play tennis (or otherwise). It's so nice to see the milk of human kindness still flowing freely in the cesspit of MTF and the "haters" out in force to bash the "cheaters" and the "doper scum" :rolleyes:

The Safinator
01-12-2006, 04:52 PM
Whereas you are intelligent and handsome I suppose :rolleyes: And since when were the girl's looks in any way relevant to her case or her ability to play tennis (or otherwise). It's so nice to see the milk of human kindness still flowing freely in the cesspit of MTF and the "haters" out in force to bash the "cheaters" and the "doper scum" :rolleyes:
hm, i've no intelligent. Simply this is my opinion for Sesil. I've a friend who meet Sesil every day and he (not only) has a opnion like mine. that's all ;)

PS - i've censored my replies :)

*Ljubica*
01-12-2006, 05:00 PM
hm, i've no intelligent. Simply this is my opinion for Sesil. I've a friend who meet Sesil every day and he (not only) has a opnion like mine. that's all

Fair enough :) I'm not a fan of WTA and I have no opinion of her personally, -just feel a bit sad for any 15/16 year old kid who has got herself in this mess :sad: I would think almost certainly she was badly advised by some people around her who were just trying to exploit her and make money out of her talent without caring about her at all, and it just feels wrong to me.

As for the censoring - :hug: And hope Marat gets well soon :)

sigmagirl91
01-12-2006, 05:05 PM
She was pregnant :) , dont you know that this is something normal for a fifteen years old girl :)))) :devil: .

yeah...pregnant. And I'm the Mary Queen of Scots.

The Safinator
01-12-2006, 05:09 PM
Fair enough :) I'm not a fan of WTA and I have no opinion of her personally, -just feel a bit sad for any 15/16 year old kid who has got herself in this mess :sad: I would think almost certainly she was badly advised by some people around her who were just trying to exploit her and make money out of her talent without caring about her at all, and it just feels wrong to me.

As for the censoring - :hug: And hope Marat gets well soon :)
i´m aslo not a fan of WTA, but cause i've seen Sesil (but i don't know she presonal) and cause she's the best tennis player from BG at the moment (our best male tennis player is ranked about 330th place! :cool: ) and i´ve a opinion (not very objective) for she.

PS - and STILL SUPPORTING MARIANO! (i'm a fan of Argentines, incl. Puerta)

*Ljubica*
01-12-2006, 05:23 PM
i´m aslo not a fan of WTA, but cause i've seen Sesil (but i don't know she presonal) and cause she's the best tennis player from BG at the moment (our best male tennis player is ranked about 330th place! :cool: ) and i´ve a opinion (not very objective) for she.

PS - and STILL SUPPORTING MARIANO! (i'm a fan of Argentines, incl. Puerta)

:hug: Anyone who likes Puerta is OK with me - so I love you even more now :hug: And of course you are entitled to your opinions - everyone is!

Bubba08
01-12-2006, 05:26 PM
yeah...pregnant. And I'm the Mary Queen of Scots.
Being you should be great :speakles: :unsure:

The Safinator
01-12-2006, 05:36 PM
Sesil'll appeal in Lozana the decision of ITF. I think that this is needless, but maybe she thinks that this 2-year-ban are gonna to be smaller. who knows :)

Mistaflava
01-12-2006, 07:46 PM
Actually I changed my mind. She is pretty hot and deserves a 2nd chance because of it. They should be looking at some of the more butch and ugly girls first and banning them for 2 years instead....just for being fat or ugly.

Having pretty girls is much more important than kicking them off because of steroids.

User id 7816
01-12-2006, 07:47 PM
Hi I KNOW this is Mens Tennis Forum and not the Womens Tennis Forum but I notice that this topic has not appeared here to be discussed, dissected and blown out of all total proportion (yet).

I would like to state to all the Argentinian Tennis Player Bashers that
Sesil is NOT An Argentine Tennis Player... and SHE TOO has been given a 2 year ban.

SO please bear this in mind and address the fact that another Tennis Player has NOW been banned for 2 years for drug related offences and she that holds a BULGARIAN Passport - no connections to Argentina that I can see.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/4545548.stm

Please remember this fact next time there is a Mens Scandal.

My post in no way condones or appauds Sesils' actions nor proves my support or grief for her actions. This post is purely to state to the Argentine Tennis Player Bashers that Other countries players get caught and banned too.


Thank You


Argentine Tennis Player Fan.

I can see your pain, but you don't think this news will change those people's minds who've decided to bash a nation, race or whatever instead of the individuals who're guilty. Maybe when they catch a Top 5 player or a famous player from a powerful country????

I am disgusted that a father would do all this to their 15yr old child, god knows for what, but there's this kind of people too. This cocky b*-*d will shut up now, might even ask himself was it worth it but I dont think. I can always put up with a little provocativeness etc but not with that.
blah.

hablovah19
01-12-2006, 08:35 PM
The ruling confirms a report published last month in the French sports daily L'Equipe that stated Karatantcheva had failed a drug test at the French Open. The 41st-ranked Bulgarian not only denied the L'Equipe story, she claimed she had not even testified before the Anti-Doping Tribunal, which convened December 14-15th in London.

"I am shocked. I have not appeared before any ITF judges," Karatantcheva told BGNes in comments published by the BBC last month. "The whole thing is an interpretation by the French (press), with whom I have never got along."

Karatantcheva claimed the high level of nandrolone was due to the fact she was unknowingly pregnant at the time and later suffered a miscarriage, according to the L'Equipe report. Pregnant women are known to produce higher levels of nandrolone, however the the L'Equipe story states a pregnancy test of Karatantcheva's urine sample conducted by a Châtenay-Malabry lab was negative.


I guess l'Equipe wasn't the one lying ! :o:tape:

Pigpen Stinks
01-12-2006, 08:53 PM
Spring 2005: "I have NEVER, EVER taken steroids!" (as told to US Congress)

Summer 2005: "I have NEVER, EVER knowingly taken steroids." (after testing positive for one of the most powerful steroids known)

Fall 2005: "I think it may have come from some of the vitamins given to me by Miguel Tejada." (tries to place the blame on one of his teammates - a cheat and a rat)

I'm sure she's telling the truth, though.

A_Skywalker
01-12-2006, 09:34 PM
Actually I changed my mind. She is pretty hot and deserves a 2nd chance because of it. They should be looking at some of the more butch and ugly girls first and banning them for 2 years instead....just for being fat or ugly.

Having pretty girls is much more important than kicking them off because of steroids.

Sesil hot ??? :rolleyes: , uau , I dont know for you , but she's not my type :P :))))

A_Skywalker
01-12-2006, 09:36 PM
i´m aslo not a fan of WTA, but cause i've seen Sesil (but i don't know she presonal) and cause she's the best tennis player from BG at the moment (our best male tennis player is ranked about 330th place! :cool: ) and i´ve a opinion (not very objective) for she.

PS - and STILL SUPPORTING MARIANO! (i'm a fan of Argentines, incl. Puerta)

Bulgarian tennis rulez :P , we have about 5 men in top ....
top 1000 :)) , that's very hard to accomplish , we are a force in the male's tennis !

R.Federer
01-12-2006, 09:46 PM
"I am shocked. I have not appeared before any ITF judges," Karatantcheva told BGNes in comments published by the BBC last month. "The whole thing is an interpretation by the French (press), with whom I have never got along."


I guess l'Equipe wasn't the one lying ! :o:tape:

Actually, I read the ITF proceedings' pdf which came out today.
There the ITF said that she did not go to London, and that two people --possibly lawyers-- (it gives their names also) represented her there. So in this case, L'Equipe did get it wrong. Sesil was correct when she said "I never went to London"

Deboogle!.
01-12-2006, 10:02 PM
Actually, I read the ITF proceedings' pdf which came out today.
There the ITF said that she did not go to London, and that two people --possibly lawyers-- (it gives their names also) represented her there. So in this case, L'Equipe did get it wrong. Sesil was correct when she said "I never went to London"I dunno, doesn't this mean she was present at the proceedings?

41. The hearing of the charges took place in London on 14 and 15 December 2005.
At the outset, the player clarified that her challenge to the jurisdiction of the
Tribunal founded on the assertion that the Programme does not bind her, applied as much to the Tokyo test as to the Paris test. After brief openings, we heard oral evidence from Mr Harris; then from the player; then from Mr Karatantchev, her father; and then, by telephone, from Mrs Clabbers-Klein, the doping control officer when the Paris test was done.

R.Federer
01-12-2006, 10:25 PM
I dunno, doesn't this mean she was present at the proceedings?

41. The hearing of the charges took place in London on 14 and 15 December 2005.
At the outset, the player clarified that her challenge to the jurisdiction of the
Tribunal founded on the assertion that the Programme does not bind her, applied as much to the Tokyo test as to the Paris test. After brief openings, we heard oral evidence from Mr Harris; then from the player; then from Mr Karatantchev, her father; and then, by telephone, from Mrs Clabbers-Klein, the doping control officer when the Paris test was done.

Not according to the ITF document on the ITF website:

http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_18354_original.PDF

page 1 bottom, and page 2. Does not say anything about "hearing from the player", only from Mr Marco and Max Bitel, Green solicitors

Deboogle!.
01-12-2006, 10:26 PM
Not according to the ITF document on the ITF website:

http://www.itftennis.com/shared/medialibrary/pdf/original/IO_18354_original.PDF

page 1 bottom, and page 2. Does not say anything about "hearing from the player", only from Mr Marco and Max Bitel, Green solicitorsWhat I quoted is from that exact document. Point #41 (bottom of page 12 onto page 13) says that they heard from the player as I quoted above :confused:

R.Federer
01-12-2006, 10:31 PM
What I quoted is from that exact document. Point #41 (bottom of page 12 onto page 13) says that they heard from the player as I quoted above :confused:

:confused: Dunno

Why would she lie about even being in London, though? I mean, that is not an issue which can both be true and not be true and can be verified one way or another

Mesmerizing stuff..... ;)

Devotee
01-12-2006, 11:37 PM
Another article from TennisWeek.com


Karatantcheva To Appeal Ban

http://www.sportsmediainc.net/tennisweek/Karatantcheva.jpg
Sesil Karatantcheva By Tennis Week
01/12/2006


Sesil Karatantcheva announced today she will appeal her two-year ban from tennis. The 41st-ranked Karatantcheva's announcement of her intent to appeal came the day after she was hit with a two-year suspension for twice testing positive for the banned steroid nandrolone. The positive tests occurred on May 31st at Roland Garros and on July 5th in Tokyo.


"I am not guilty and I will appeal the penalty," the 16-year-old Karatantcheva said today in a press conference conducted in her hometown of Sofia, Bulgaria. "I blame the high concentration of nandrolone in my body on personal health reasons which I would refrain from commenting on here."

Karatantcheva's two-year ban is the longest drug suspension of any woman tennis player in history. She has three weeks to file an appeal.

"I'm going to appeal against the decision of the ITF at the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Lausanne, Switzerland," Karatantcheva said. "I will use my right to appeal before a higher authority."

Calling the sentence "disgusting", Karatantcheva said she will continue training and is committed to a comeback.

"It's disgusting. I am very angry. I didn't expect such a harsh penalty because I still think I did nothing wrong, nothing to be ashamed of," Karatantcheva said. "For me this decision is wrong and incompetent. I will keep training and be back in two years' time to prove I was unfairly penalized."

While Karatantcheva did not specifically state the ground for her appeal, it is believed her attorneys will argue the higher levels of nandrolone in her urine samples were due to the fact she was unknowingly pregnant at the time and later suffered a miscarriage. Pregnant women are known to produce higher levels of nandrolone, however the French sports daily L'Equipe, which broke the story of Karatantcheva's failed drug test at the French Open, states a pregnancy test of Karatantcheva's urine sample conducted by a Châtenay-Malabry lab was negative.

"The tribunal's ruling is subjective and one-sided," said Karatantcheva's father and coach Radoslav Karatantcheva, who is a former champion Bulgarian rower.

Karatantcheva's attorney said she will not deny the presence of nandrolone in her clients system, but will present evidence showing she did not ingest a banned substance.

"We have very strong evidence, things which were not taken into account at the hearing of the ITF tribunal," lawyer Darina Zinovieva said in comments published by the AP. "We'll file an appeal as soon as possible, and surely within the three-week deadline."

Mimi
01-13-2006, 01:26 AM
first, lied that she was pregnent, now changed to health reasons, my sympathy for her is diminishing :rolleyes:

hablovah19
01-13-2006, 01:57 AM
Sesil :o

Filipo
01-13-2006, 11:06 AM
the mistake was completely from her father. when they abandoned Nick Bolletieri, her father have started to train and teach her. then they have made the mistake.

2 caught dopings at Rolan Garros & Tokyo is much. it was completely clear that she was in fault after she didn't fly to Australia up to Wednesday and retire from tournaments in Sydney and Auckland.

The Safinator
01-13-2006, 11:54 AM
the mistake was completely from her father. when they abandoned Nick Bolletieri, her father have started to train and teach her. then they have made the mistake.

2 caught dopings at Rolan Garros & Tokyo is much. it was completely clear that she was in fault after she didn't fly to Australia up to Wednesday and retire from tournaments in Sydney and Auckland.
totaly agree with that! the culprit is Rado Krana :)

almouchie
01-13-2006, 12:32 PM
its unfortunate, she is awfully talented & didnt need any inhancement. if she was at fault then the long ban will teach her a lessen.
thou I still think 2 years in tennis is very long, expecially when in oter sports they get a sentence which is like a slap on the wrist (few months only)
its to her fortune that she is still young & can come back at 18 & resurrect her career

A_Skywalker
01-13-2006, 02:45 PM
Rado Krana is a very stupid father :) , to give his daughter dope or to tell her to say she's pregnant , its stupid either ways .

R.Federer
01-13-2006, 03:22 PM
Every person who has been implicatd in doping scandal has said "Not guilty", "Strong evidence of innocence" and "will contest the ban".
They have to say it, even when they know there is no chance to win an appeal, to look unguilty
She is no different

Jogy
01-16-2006, 12:58 PM
Byebye, no mercy for her!!

*Viva Chile*
01-16-2006, 01:01 PM
So Venus Williams lost today to another awesome bulgarian (Pironkova) so in 4 months later we will know the truth :devil:

A_Skywalker
01-16-2006, 01:23 PM
So Venus Williams lost today to another awesome bulgarian (Pironkova) so in 4 months later we will know the truth :devil:

Hey , Pironkova is a very good girl , she's not like Sesil !

Federerthebest
01-16-2006, 02:41 PM
Doping in tennis

5/1995 Karel Novacek República Checa Cocaína 3 meses
5/1995 Mats Wilander Suecia Cocaína 3 meses
1/1997 Ignacio Truyol España Nandrolona 15 meses
year 1998 Samantha Reeves tested positive for nandrolone in an out-of-competition test last year. The ITF did not impose sanctions because of "exceptional circumstances."
12/1998 Petr Korda República Checa Nandrolona Perdió premios y puntos
1/1999 Larisa Neiland caffeine (sanción ????)
4/2001 Juan I. Chela Argentina Metiltestosterona 3 meses
12/2001 Guillermo Coria Argentina Nandrolona 7 meses
year 2002 Lourdes Dominguez Lino (ESP) Cocaina 3 meses
5/2003 Bohdan Ulihrach República Checa Nandrolona 2 años
7/2003 Martín Rodríguez Argentina Exceso de cafeína Advertencia
1/2004 Greg Rusedski; He tested positive for nandrolone in January 2004, but was cleared of the charges in a hearing on 10 March 2004.
1/2004 Mariano Puerta Argentina Clenbuterol 9 meses
2/2004 Graydon Oliver EEUU Diurético 2 meses
5/2004 David Sebok Eslovaquia 4 sustancias 2 años
6/2004 Pedro Braga Brasil Stanozolol 2 años
7/2004 Diego Hipperdinger España Tetrahidrocanabinol 2 años
8/2004 Nicolás Cautelot Francia Tetrahidrocanabinol 2 meses
12/2004 Stefan Koubek Austria Triamcinolona 3 meses
12/2004 Svetlana Kuznetsova ( RUS) ephedrine (the test was taken during unofficial competition the case was never investigated)
2/2005 Sebastián Larose Canadá Cocaína 2 años
3/2005 Dmitri Vlasov Rusia Pemolina 1 año
4/2005 Juan A.Viloca España Budesónida 2 meses
4/2005 Luis Feo Bernabé España Betametasona 2 meses
5/2005 Melle van Gemerden Holanda Tetrahidrobanabinol 3 meses
8/2005 Guillermo Cañas Argentina Diurético 2 años
9/2005 Alex Bogomolov Jr. EEUU Salbutamol 1 mes y medio
10/2005 Mariano Hood (arg) finasteride 2 meses
12/2005 Mariano Puerta Argentina Epilefrina 8 años
01/2006 Sesil Karatantcheva Nandrolona 2 años

Argentina has, in its tennis history, by far the highest number of positive doping tests of any country.

Fedex
01-16-2006, 02:44 PM
Mistaflava :rolleyes: , you're talking about a girl....
Sesil was 15 when she got caught...and obviously bad influenced.....she'll return to the circuit by 18 and will start her career again. If there's anything good for her is that she was caught very young, she'll hopefully learn a lot from this.
And as I said about Puerta's case, I sincerely hope that if this will be the politic on doping, let the ITF be fair and square for once and for all. All rules must be applied exactly the same to all.
I agree. :worship:

A_Skywalker
01-16-2006, 03:17 PM
Doping in tennis

12/2004 Svetlana Kuznetsova ( RUS) ephedrine (the test was taken during unofficial competition the case was never investigated)



And why it wasn't investigated ?

Deboogle!.
01-16-2006, 03:18 PM
And why it wasn't investigated ?Because, in short, the rules are different for what's allowed out of competition than what's allowed during competition.

The Safinator
01-16-2006, 04:31 PM
Hey , Pironkova is a very good girl , she's not like Sesil !
yeah! prionkova won not with nandronol, but with very good game :)

User id 7816
01-16-2006, 04:54 PM
So Venus Williams lost today to another awesome bulgarian (Pironkova) so in 4 months later we will know the truth :devil:
this isnt funny :rolleyes:

*Viva Chile*
01-16-2006, 04:59 PM
this isnt funny :rolleyes:
Just calm bulgarians... it was only a joke :hug: :wavey:
It was a good match for Tzvetana and Venus played like crap ;) Good luck for her :yeah:

Filipo
01-19-2006, 01:24 AM
Pironkova will be our hope in women tennis. he is definetely good girl and much beatiful :)

A_Skywalker
01-19-2006, 06:33 AM
Pironkova will be our hope in women tennis. he is definetely good girl and much beatiful :)

he ? :confused: