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Sorry, I have a problem with censorship of published news stories

Tennis Fool
10-15-2003, 12:21 AM
WTA_Amanda and others:

I read your announcement about using discretion in posting on the ATP gambling story. I have no problem with you guys editing out names from user posts. I do have a problem with full scale deletion of published news stories because they mention certain players or certain matches.

There were two stories that I had posted that were completely deleted. You must realize that there is a reason for the press--to disseminate news to the people. It is a democratic right. To delete these stories in tantamount to an attack on the 1st Amendment right to free speech.

Furthermore, how can we have a discussion on a "message board" if we don't have the facts or allegations as reported in front of us?

I say, yes, edit out names from the posts but, please, don't delete the news articles.

Thank you.

Loyal MTF poster,

Tennis Fool

wtn_amanda
10-15-2003, 01:08 AM
WTA_Amanda and others:

I read your announcement about using discretion in posting on the ATP gambling story. I have no problem with you guys editing out names from user posts. I do have a problem with full scale deletion of published news stories because they mention certain players or certain matches.



We have no choice but to pull those articles because of the seriousness of the accusations levelled against certain individuals. How certain are you those reports and articles are 100% truthful? Are you sure enough to believe there's absolutely no chance of us getting subpoenaed for your information so a lawyer can identify your location, and start legal proceedings against you?

I honestly don't want any member of this website to be threatened with legal action as a result of their contributions to this site. You can help both us and yourselves by not naming any names until such time that the allegations are proven either by admission of guilt, or by whatever process that might follow the reports you've read.


There were two stories that I had posted that were completely deleted. You must realize that there is a reason for the press--to disseminate news to the people. It is a democratic right. To delete these stories in tantamount to an attack on the 1st Amendment right to free speech.


As I stated above, do you know for certain these stories you or anyone else posted are the gospel truth? You are aware if they're proven to be false at a later date whoever published those stories is liable to pay substantial damages to those wrongly accused? Do you want to risk the same liability for distributing those stories on here should they be proven false later?


Furthermore, how can we have a discussion on a "message board" if we don't have the facts or allegations as reported in front of us?

I say, yes, edit out names from the posts but, please, don't delete the news articles.


I'm glad you understand why we have taken the stance we have in relation to naming names. If you edit out any names from stories they might not be deleted. You can continue discussing the issues at hand but please steer clear of naming anybody directly until such a time that any case is proven. And no you won't get banned for bringing up your concerns with us. :) I certainly understand your frustrations but unfortunately we don't write these laws.

Tennis Fool
10-15-2003, 01:46 AM
Amanda:

I understand the concerns of the MTF administration. My concern was that you guys were deleting stories already published. Another poster created a thread with a published Q&A from certain players in Madrid. That Q&A wouldn't make any sense without background information.

I highly doubt any poster would be sued for posting an already-published article. Now whether certain players want to sue a news organization over libelous material (which I didn't see in either deleted article) then that's another story.

Okay, I know I've overstayed my welcome. (It's the journalist in me ;) )

Tennis Fool
10-15-2003, 01:54 AM
As I stated above, do you know for certain these stories you or anyone else posted are the gospel truth? You are aware if they're proven to be false at a later date whoever published those stories is liable to pay substantial damages to those wrongly accused? Do you want to risk the same liability for distributing those stories on here should they be proven false later?

Amanda, sorry just one more thing. I'm not a lawyer, but am a former journalist and am 99% certain that this could never legally happen. Otherwise, every corner newsstand, library and beauty shop would be out of business (and message boards shut down) for distributing the often-sued Enquirer :o

SanTaureau Fan
10-15-2003, 02:28 AM
Ignoring the content of an article, I thought it was forbidden to copy/paste an article in a messageboard anyway?

Tennis Fool
10-15-2003, 02:40 AM
With the Internet age, these are definitely new times. What I've seen so far, most organizations only have a problem when you start to involve money (selling, buying) or taking something as your own (plagiarizing).

Deboogle!.
10-15-2003, 05:39 AM
Amanda, sorry just one more thing. I'm not a lawyer, but am a former journalist and am 99% certain that this could never legally happen. Otherwise, every corner newsstand, library and beauty shop would be out of business (and message boards shut down) for distributing the often-sued Enquirer :o

I'm not a lawyer either (ask again in a few years, maybe a different answer!) but this is what I thought of too. I've never heard of a message board user getting sued for libel - yet people post things all the time. Unless...... do some of the players in question read this board and maybe would be personally offended? :P

However, this is a private MB and whoever owns it has the right to do whatever they want no matter how much we might disagree.

wtn_amanda
10-15-2003, 10:50 AM
You can be certain someone, somewhere will be sued for libel for posting unproven allegations on a message board. In fact, I'm pretty sure it's already happened and on more than one occasion.

I know of several popular commercial message boards that shut down their services completely for periods of upto 72 hours recently because many users were speculating about the guilt of certain sportsmen in an entirely different case (and sport).

We're just asking people to tread carefully for their own good at this time. I still say it's very unfair to name individuals until any guilt is proven. Previously good reputations are being destroyed before anyone has been given the chance to a fair hearing or trial.

Tennis Fool your comparison with newstands and libraries makes too much sense. :D Unfortunately, previous legal rulings on internet services and sites have gone completely against would be considered a sensible outcome. You can never be sure until some poor individual is made an example of in a test case.

star
10-15-2003, 01:56 PM
You can be sued for stating something as fact, but not for stating your opinion.... well, actually you can be sued for any thing at all, the question is whether you can successfully defend... but, that said, If I think player X tanks matches and I think that player X is involved in shady gambling, that's my opinion.

My question is whether Amanda has actually gotten legal advice in this matter.

Also I think some message boards have had scandalous material posted repeatedly about one or two players, and that can lead to pressure from that player. And when you say these message boards have been shut down, do you know for what reason they were shut down, or are you only speculating?

Chloe le Bopper
10-17-2003, 09:37 AM
We can't be sure that any news story is the gospel truth... in which case, shouldn't ALL news stories be monitored if that is such an issue....? :)


However, this is a private MB and whoever owns it has the right to do whatever they want no matter how much we might disagree.

Indeed. It's just unfortunate that such an important topic that is rocking the tennis world as we speak, isn't permitted to be discussed at any length on a TENNIS messageboard. But that's fine... I'll talk about it elsewhere, and I recommend that everybody else do the same. This isn't the only tennis board on the net, and it's not even the best place to discuss mens tennis anyways (too many polls, crap topics, blah)

Chloe le Bopper
10-17-2003, 09:39 AM
(note - in advising people to post elsewhere, I was speaking strictly of this topic, seeing as it's been made clear we're not welcome to discuss it here :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Not in general)